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The Leonard Street Gallery, by freeisthemagic on Jun 18, 2008 9:42:45 GMT 1, Ok he's a f**king con man who will stab you in the back to get what he wants. If my character assassination helps people to not get ripped off then I'll assassinate all day long. I have been told by a number of artists that have shown there that the man in a total crook and never to be trusted. I doubt we'll see another decent artist there from the US or UK, his names muck in NY. Very strong words - have you personally experienced this behaviour, or is it all on heresay from people you know? Doesn't quite add up to me, why would a gallery run by such a crook have appealed to Doze Green & Rostarr? I also think that you'll be hung on your own words with regards never seeing another decent artist appear there.
Strong words for a reason, talk to any artist in NY/LA or any gallery owner even in the UK and they will just raise their eyebrows and shake their heads.
Crooks and con men are good at what they do, smarm their way around and get you to believe their bullshit, if you think I'm full of shit just go ask any of the artists that have shown there in the past two years and see what they have got to say about the place, it will be pretty damming.
Ok he's a f**king con man who will stab you in the back to get what he wants. If my character assassination helps people to not get ripped off then I'll assassinate all day long. I have been told by a number of artists that have shown there that the man in a total crook and never to be trusted. I doubt we'll see another decent artist there from the US or UK, his names muck in NY. Very strong words - have you personally experienced this behaviour, or is it all on heresay from people you know? Doesn't quite add up to me, why would a gallery run by such a crook have appealed to Doze Green & Rostarr? I also think that you'll be hung on your own words with regards never seeing another decent artist appear there. Strong words for a reason, talk to any artist in NY/LA or any gallery owner even in the UK and they will just raise their eyebrows and shake their heads. Crooks and con men are good at what they do, smarm their way around and get you to believe their bullshit, if you think I'm full of shit just go ask any of the artists that have shown there in the past two years and see what they have got to say about the place, it will be pretty damming. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by jan-has-art on Jun 18, 2008 9:46:57 GMT 1, hehe, i have ordered also 3 statues...:-(...
hehe, i have ordered also 3 statues...:-(...
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by DYL4N on Jun 18, 2008 9:50:57 GMT 1, Part of an Email received last week - IMHO I think there doing there best, they have just made a holy bollox of the whole thing 
Although they could have sorted it out a bit better
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Please understand that we have produced all 600 hand-crafted sculptures in house and there were delays in guilding and boxing. Then we had to package and ship out the sculptures in batches of 50. This has been a tremendous learning experience for us as we are an art gallery and not a factory. We have sincerely tried our best to deal with the situations that have arose.
Part of an Email received last week - IMHO I think there doing there best, they have just made a holy bollox of the whole thing Although they could have sorted it out a bit better QUOTE: - Please understand that we have produced all 600 hand-crafted sculptures in house and there were delays in guilding and boxing. Then we had to package and ship out the sculptures in batches of 50. This has been a tremendous learning experience for us as we are an art gallery and not a factory. We have sincerely tried our best to deal with the situations that have arose. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by Karl Read on Jun 18, 2008 9:53:19 GMT 1, Then maybe they should put it up for sale when it's ready to go if they have never done anything like that before! And where is my print?  Do you have any idea to what print it is?
Then maybe they should put it up for sale when it's ready to go if they have never done anything like that before! And where is my print? Do you have any idea to what print it is? |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by onemandown72 on Jun 18, 2008 10:21:56 GMT 1, Very strong words - have you personally experienced this behaviour, or is it all on heresay from people you know? Doesn't quite add up to me, why would a gallery run by such a crook have appealed to Doze Green & Rostarr? I also think that you'll be hung on your own words with regards never seeing another decent artist appear there. Strong words for a reason, talk to any artist in NY/LA or any gallery owner even in the UK and they will just raise their eyebrows and shake their heads. Crooks and con men are good at what they do, smarm their way around and get you to believe their bulls**t, if you think I'm full of s**t just go ask any of the artists that have shown there in the past two years and see what they have got to say about the place, it will be pretty damming.
So you're basing your opinions on what you've been told as opposed to directly what you have experienced - rumours and conjecture - and again this still doesn't make sense as to why Doze, who has been around writing in New York since the early 80's wouldn't have had such conversations with connected people, prioir to showing, and decided that this was a bad place to show. is he really that desperate to exhibit in the UK I don't believe that he is.
I can accept that there are always going to be mistakes made, and relationships break down. However I sense a hidden agenda with what your implying, an axe to grind. Maybe they have f*cked you off and you have good reason to state what you do, but somehow I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark
Very strong words - have you personally experienced this behaviour, or is it all on heresay from people you know? Doesn't quite add up to me, why would a gallery run by such a crook have appealed to Doze Green & Rostarr? I also think that you'll be hung on your own words with regards never seeing another decent artist appear there. Strong words for a reason, talk to any artist in NY/LA or any gallery owner even in the UK and they will just raise their eyebrows and shake their heads. Crooks and con men are good at what they do, smarm their way around and get you to believe their bulls**t, if you think I'm full of s**t just go ask any of the artists that have shown there in the past two years and see what they have got to say about the place, it will be pretty damming. So you're basing your opinions on what you've been told as opposed to directly what you have experienced - rumours and conjecture - and again this still doesn't make sense as to why Doze, who has been around writing in New York since the early 80's wouldn't have had such conversations with connected people, prioir to showing, and decided that this was a bad place to show. is he really that desperate to exhibit in the UK I don't believe that he is. I can accept that there are always going to be mistakes made, and relationships break down. However I sense a hidden agenda with what your implying, an axe to grind. Maybe they have f*cked you off and you have good reason to state what you do, but somehow I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by manchestermike on Jun 18, 2008 10:27:21 GMT 1, I've also filed a CC dispute with them and won't be buying from them again
I've also filed a CC dispute with them and won't be buying from them again
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by Karl Read on Jun 18, 2008 10:29:55 GMT 1, How long does it take to get your money back by going through your credit card company?
How long does it take to get your money back by going through your credit card company?
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by Montubu7 on Jun 18, 2008 10:32:45 GMT 1, Tlsg are bad news.
I have no axe to grind but would advise people who are being messed around to open a cc dispute.
Tlsg are bad news.
I have no axe to grind but would advise people who are being messed around to open a cc dispute.
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by onemandown72 on Jun 18, 2008 10:39:54 GMT 1, And I'm not for one defending them over the statue debacle, they need to make good and sort people out for this - pretending it didn't happen is wrong, not offering refunds is wrong
And I'm not for one defending them over the statue debacle, they need to make good and sort people out for this - pretending it didn't happen is wrong, not offering refunds is wrong
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by manchestermike on Jun 18, 2008 10:52:42 GMT 1, Tlsg are bad news. I have no axe to grind but would advice people who are being messed around to open a cc dispute.
I would echo this
Tlsg are bad news. I have no axe to grind but would advice people who are being messed around to open a cc dispute. I would echo this |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by freeisthemagic on Jun 18, 2008 10:57:22 GMT 1, Strong words for a reason, talk to any artist in NY/LA or any gallery owner even in the UK and they will just raise their eyebrows and shake their heads. Crooks and con men are good at what they do, smarm their way around and get you to believe their bulls**t, if you think I'm full of s**t just go ask any of the artists that have shown there in the past two years and see what they have got to say about the place, it will be pretty damming. So you're basing your opinions on what you've been told as opposed to directly what you have experienced - rumours and conjecture - and again this still doesn't make sense as to why Doze, who has been around writing in New York since the early 80's wouldn't have had such conversations with connected people, prioir to showing, and decided that this was a bad place to show. is he really that desperate to exhibit in the UK I don't believe that he is. I can accept that there are always going to be mistakes made, and relationships break down. However I sense a hidden agenda with what your implying, an axe to grind. Maybe they have f*cked you off and you have good reason to state what you do, but somehow I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark
You really have very little idea about what goes on and just look at glossy facades, they are bad news sadly, they con their artists, their clients and their suppliers. Do I have an axe to grind? no not really but I know a WHOLE LOT of people who do, and they have big axes.
Strong words for a reason, talk to any artist in NY/LA or any gallery owner even in the UK and they will just raise their eyebrows and shake their heads. Crooks and con men are good at what they do, smarm their way around and get you to believe their bulls**t, if you think I'm full of s**t just go ask any of the artists that have shown there in the past two years and see what they have got to say about the place, it will be pretty damming. So you're basing your opinions on what you've been told as opposed to directly what you have experienced - rumours and conjecture - and again this still doesn't make sense as to why Doze, who has been around writing in New York since the early 80's wouldn't have had such conversations with connected people, prioir to showing, and decided that this was a bad place to show. is he really that desperate to exhibit in the UK I don't believe that he is. I can accept that there are always going to be mistakes made, and relationships break down. However I sense a hidden agenda with what your implying, an axe to grind. Maybe they have f*cked you off and you have good reason to state what you do, but somehow I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark You really have very little idea about what goes on and just look at glossy facades, they are bad news sadly, they con their artists, their clients and their suppliers. Do I have an axe to grind? no not really but I know a WHOLE LOT of people who do, and they have big axes. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by carlito on Jun 18, 2008 10:59:40 GMT 1, time will tell....but becareful out there people
time will tell....but becareful out there people
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by zippyblip on Jun 18, 2008 11:28:56 GMT 1, Just picked up on this- seems to be a really sad outcome as I had high hopes for this gallery.
I bought a Union Mask at the Kennard show last year- and chatting to the staff it seemed like a very decent outfit, group of friends going into business together etc etc - everyone's dream job (well at least mine, but then I work for a management consultancy  ).
Having said that, it took a long time to actually get the print, and communications weren't great. It did eventually turn up, but only after I called a few times and also reminded them they had committed to sending it to me and not for me to come get it myself.
I then went to the Beejoir show and it was back to normal gallery service. Massive queue outside which was only if you wanted a print, but no-one seemed to know this so we stood in it pointlessly before having a strange Orwellian double-speak conversation with the girl on the door and eventually managed to convey a commitment NOT to buy anything. Show was also a bit of a disappointment anyway (but that's only my opinion).
So i guess another enterprise that felt ethical and genuine goes the same way as Laz? C'est la Vie.
On the bright side, I thought the organisation at the Walker show at the BRP was much better, although I didn't manage to buy anything.
I do think TSLG is a top venue, I like the layout and feel. Maybe things will turn around, but it sounds like there is a lot of ill feeling out there and it'll take a lot of work and a pretty serious change in the style of leadership to correct.
Just picked up on this- seems to be a really sad outcome as I had high hopes for this gallery. I bought a Union Mask at the Kennard show last year- and chatting to the staff it seemed like a very decent outfit, group of friends going into business together etc etc - everyone's dream job (well at least mine, but then I work for a management consultancy ). Having said that, it took a long time to actually get the print, and communications weren't great. It did eventually turn up, but only after I called a few times and also reminded them they had committed to sending it to me and not for me to come get it myself. I then went to the Beejoir show and it was back to normal gallery service. Massive queue outside which was only if you wanted a print, but no-one seemed to know this so we stood in it pointlessly before having a strange Orwellian double-speak conversation with the girl on the door and eventually managed to convey a commitment NOT to buy anything. Show was also a bit of a disappointment anyway (but that's only my opinion). So i guess another enterprise that felt ethical and genuine goes the same way as Laz? C'est la Vie. On the bright side, I thought the organisation at the Walker show at the BRP was much better, although I didn't manage to buy anything. I do think TSLG is a top venue, I like the layout and feel. Maybe things will turn around, but it sounds like there is a lot of ill feeling out there and it'll take a lot of work and a pretty serious change in the style of leadership to correct. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by reznyce on Jun 18, 2008 12:00:34 GMT 1, Part of an Email received last week - IMHO I think there doing there best, they have just made a holy bollox of the whole thing Although they could have sorted it out a bit better QUOTE: - Please understand that we have produced all 600 hand-crafted sculptures in house and there were delays in guilding and boxing. Then we had to package and ship out the sculptures in batches of 50. This has been a tremendous learning experience for us as we are an art gallery and not a factory. We have sincerely tried our best to deal with the situations that have arose.
They should npt have taken pre-orders. Bad judgment on their part. Nevertheless, they should at least communicate better. Maybe a mass email to all buyers explaining the situation, offer refunds and ask for more time.
Part of an Email received last week - IMHO I think there doing there best, they have just made a holy bollox of the whole thing Although they could have sorted it out a bit better QUOTE: - Please understand that we have produced all 600 hand-crafted sculptures in house and there were delays in guilding and boxing. Then we had to package and ship out the sculptures in batches of 50. This has been a tremendous learning experience for us as we are an art gallery and not a factory. We have sincerely tried our best to deal with the situations that have arose. They should npt have taken pre-orders. Bad judgment on their part. Nevertheless, they should at least communicate better. Maybe a mass email to all buyers explaining the situation, offer refunds and ask for more time. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by dmandpenfold on Jun 18, 2008 12:06:34 GMT 1, i heard this story too recently, poor show if true
i heard this story too recently, poor show if true
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by kingleopald on Jun 18, 2008 12:50:45 GMT 1, Have heard the same thing unfortunately.
Have heard the same thing unfortunately.
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by fergy on Jun 18, 2008 13:17:05 GMT 1, I've never dealt with TLSG myself but I constantly hear bad things about them. Bad communication if any, taking money then selling to someone else etc etc.
It's a shame, some of the smaller galleries really struggle, but are much more personable and better to deal with. Guess the biggies like TLSG get away with being arses. Its a vicious circle really, the big artists go with the big galleries and vice versa.
I've never dealt with TLSG myself but I constantly hear bad things about them. Bad communication if any, taking money then selling to someone else etc etc. It's a shame, some of the smaller galleries really struggle, but are much more personable and better to deal with. Guess the biggies like TLSG get away with being arses. Its a vicious circle really, the big artists go with the big galleries and vice versa. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by freeisthemagic on Jun 18, 2008 16:41:51 GMT 1, I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark
Sounds like the marks changed.
I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark Sounds like the marks changed. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by daz205 on Jun 18, 2008 17:29:28 GMT 1, i phoned up on monday to enquire where my statue was and they shipped it out immediatly which i recieved today, have people tried speaking to them ( as opposed to emailing them or shouting )
still not excuse for the poor service though and i will not be dealing with them again
i phoned up on monday to enquire where my statue was and they shipped it out immediatly which i recieved today, have people tried speaking to them ( as opposed to emailing them or shouting )
still not excuse for the poor service though and i will not be dealing with them again
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by onemandown72 on Jun 18, 2008 17:33:12 GMT 1, I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark Sounds like the marks changed.
Not at all, there are 2 sides to every story and whilst an artist has been left out of pocket, there may be more to this than meets the eye. I in no way shape or form condone artists being left in this situation, but again I don't believe it is as black and white as this
Neither of us know one another, who we speak to and what we know. I have nothing further to comment on this as I don't see any point in getting into a slanging match, clearly you won't have anything to do with Leonard St, I will - end of story as far as I'm concerned.
I feel you've slightly overstepped the mark Sounds like the marks changed. Not at all, there are 2 sides to every story and whilst an artist has been left out of pocket, there may be more to this than meets the eye. I in no way shape or form condone artists being left in this situation, but again I don't believe it is as black and white as this Neither of us know one another, who we speak to and what we know. I have nothing further to comment on this as I don't see any point in getting into a slanging match, clearly you won't have anything to do with Leonard St, I will - end of story as far as I'm concerned. |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by Deleted on Jun 18, 2008 17:34:50 GMT 1, er what?
er what?
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by daz205 on Jun 18, 2008 17:51:09 GMT 1, i thought beejour donated all of his profits to the mercy fund and tlsg were the only ones on the make from this release,
i thought beejour donated all of his profits to the mercy fund and tlsg were the only ones on the make from this release,
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by manchestermike on Jun 18, 2008 18:27:06 GMT 1, i thought beejour donated all of his profits to the mercy fund and tlsg were the only ones on the make from this release,
I'm sure freeisthemagic is not referring to the Poo-boy release
i thought beejour donated all of his profits to the mercy fund and tlsg were the only ones on the make from this release, I'm sure freeisthemagic is not referring to the Poo-boy release |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by Cocteau 101 on Jun 18, 2008 19:57:24 GMT 1, I ordered a Matt Small book - after 4 months and 6 phone calls it eventually turned up with not even an apology. I know an artist who worked with them who was really pissed off, so there is some truth in the supposition.
I ordered a Matt Small book - after 4 months and 6 phone calls it eventually turned up with not even an apology. I know an artist who worked with them who was really pissed off, so there is some truth in the supposition.
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by manchestermike on Jun 18, 2008 20:15:33 GMT 1, I ordered a Matt Small book - after 4 months and 6 phone calls it eventually turned up with not even an apology. I know an artist who worked with them who was really pissed off, so there is some truth in the supposition.
Same here... I even bought another off someone as I gave up on it arriving, 5 months later and huge amount of calls I got my book... I'm not doing the same with the LV Child I'm afraid...
I ordered a Matt Small book - after 4 months and 6 phone calls it eventually turned up with not even an apology. I know an artist who worked with them who was really pissed off, so there is some truth in the supposition. Same here... I even bought another off someone as I gave up on it arriving, 5 months later and huge amount of calls I got my book... I'm not doing the same with the LV Child I'm afraid... |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by kahuna on Jun 18, 2008 22:01:03 GMT 1, The scale of the LV Child project may have over-whelmed TLSG and resulted in very poor customer service.
My previous purchases with them went smoothly and they provided great service.
With luck, they have learned a lesson and will return to doing what they do best - great shows with the sale of originals and smaller print runs.
For anyone looking to show some love to an LV Child with no limbs missing, there is one currently avaiable on ebay with a high bid of $3.25 and 1 day remaining
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330244501898&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014
The scale of the LV Child project may have over-whelmed TLSG and resulted in very poor customer service. My previous purchases with them went smoothly and they provided great service. With luck, they have learned a lesson and will return to doing what they do best - great shows with the sale of originals and smaller print runs. For anyone looking to show some love to an LV Child with no limbs missing, there is one currently avaiable on ebay with a high bid of $3.25 and 1 day remaining cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330244501898&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by manchestermike on Jun 30, 2008 20:08:15 GMT 1, The below is taken from WK
There is a rumour..
Well a bit more than a rumour I think..
That the leonard street gallery is no more...
the rumour mill says that there are BIG debts..inc' to artists we love and also to charity...(20k charity money not paid)
The rumour of them closing has been around a while now, but it looks like it's actually happened now...
The Charity money is from the SOS L.v. child statues... bad news...
The below is taken from WK
There is a rumour..
Well a bit more than a rumour I think..
That the leonard street gallery is no more...
the rumour mill says that there are BIG debts..inc' to artists we love and also to charity...(20k charity money not paid)
The rumour of them closing has been around a while now, but it looks like it's actually happened now...
The Charity money is from the SOS L.v. child statues... bad news...
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by skanky on Jun 30, 2008 20:10:43 GMT 1, Thats a real shame if its true.
Thats a real shame if its true.
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by manchestermike on Jun 30, 2008 20:11:54 GMT 1, Thats a real shame if its true.
Agreed, but if you believe the rumours as to where the money has gone you wouldn't be sympathetic to the owner...
Thats a real shame if its true. Agreed, but if you believe the rumours as to where the money has gone you wouldn't be sympathetic to the owner... |
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The Leonard Street Gallery, by griffermans on Jun 30, 2008 20:16:44 GMT 1, I think its a skank! Sounds like someone might have to be locked up!
I think its a skank! Sounds like someone might have to be locked up!
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Do you have any idea to what print it is?
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