mishco
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craigf
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fake green nola on the bay?, by craigf on Aug 25, 2009 20:45:42 GMT 1, The seller sold an unsigned non editioned coloured trollies last week and also has a PP of VLH up on fleabay now
The seller sold an unsigned non editioned coloured trollies last week and also has a PP of VLH up on fleabay now
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Sundowner
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fake green nola on the bay?, by Sundowner on Aug 25, 2009 21:26:52 GMT 1, Not sure whether these are fake or whether someone has done a sneaky backdoor job. Don't POW outsource their printing?
Not sure whether these are fake or whether someone has done a sneaky backdoor job. Don't POW outsource their printing?
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dodge
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fake green nola on the bay?, by dodge on Aug 25, 2009 21:41:42 GMT 1, Sounds a bit naughty. I thought the days of getting backdoor prints was gone?
Sounds a bit naughty. I thought the days of getting backdoor prints was gone?
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neale
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fake green nola on the bay?, by neale on Aug 25, 2009 21:44:45 GMT 1, its a fake,even the photo is shopped, dont bid
its a fake,even the photo is shopped, dont bid
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motor
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fake green nola on the bay?, by motor on Aug 25, 2009 22:14:04 GMT 1, Unsigned, un numbered printers proof?? GO 'n' FUCK YOURSELF townshend05
Unsigned, un numbered printers proof? ? GO 'n' FUCK YOURSELF townshend05
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Silentbill
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fake green nola on the bay?, by Silentbill on Aug 25, 2009 22:54:03 GMT 1, Townsend05 claims to work for POW. From what I gather from a little looking on the net I think this is the sellers myspace page www.myspace.com/pinballwizard06 . No mention of working for POW there. Also his interests listed ways of making money a few days ago which has mysteriously vanished as of the 23rd.
Townsend05 claims to work for POW. From what I gather from a little looking on the net I think this is the sellers myspace page www.myspace.com/pinballwizard06 . No mention of working for POW there. Also his interests listed ways of making money a few days ago which has mysteriously vanished as of the 23rd.
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fake green nola on the bay?, by richy00 on Aug 26, 2009 13:48:22 GMT 1, he must have gone through alot of effort to make these id be interested to see what they look like in the flesh,
he must have gone through alot of effort to make these id be interested to see what they look like in the flesh,
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denzil
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fake green nola on the bay?, by denzil on Aug 26, 2009 16:57:00 GMT 1, is he not pushing his luck...... Police have arrested three individuals in the UK for conducting a counterfeit Banksy print operation, as well as selling fake Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren designed clothing at auction. A statement issued by the Metropolitan Police identifies the accused trio as Lee Parker, Grant Champkins-Howard and Vesna Grandes-Howard, who face charges of fraud and money laundering. The crimes have ignited a firestorm on several online art discussion boards, where investigators are attempting to reach out to victims.
The statement encourages โanyone who has purchased โBanksy limited editionโ prints (except if bought directly from Pictures On Walls) or โBanksy back doorโ prints in the past three yearsโ to contact DC Ian Lawson by telephone at +44 (0)20 7230 2150 or email via Ian.Lawson@met.police.uk this
is he not pushing his luck...... Police have arrested three individuals in the UK for conducting a counterfeit Banksy print operation, as well as selling fake Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren designed clothing at auction. A statement issued by the Metropolitan Police identifies the accused trio as Lee Parker, Grant Champkins-Howard and Vesna Grandes-Howard, who face charges of fraud and money laundering. The crimes have ignited a firestorm on several online art discussion boards, where investigators are attempting to reach out to victims.
The statement encourages โanyone who has purchased โBanksy limited editionโ prints (except if bought directly from Pictures On Walls) or โBanksy back doorโ prints in the past three yearsโ to contact DC Ian Lawson by telephone at +44 (0)20 7230 2150 or email via Ian.Lawson@met.police.uk this
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fake green nola on the bay?, by Happy Shopper on Aug 26, 2009 17:39:17 GMT 1, I've seen 1 real Banksy PP, framed at the printers, and it was signed. These may be proofs from the print run, but they'd still be classed as "Backdoor".
I've seen 1 real Banksy PP, framed at the printers, and it was signed. These may be proofs from the print run, but they'd still be classed as "Backdoor".
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fake green nola on the bay?, by richy00 on Aug 26, 2009 17:43:22 GMT 1, do POW use the guys in covent garden ??
or do they do it in house?
do POW use the guys in covent garden ??
or do they do it in house?
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fake green nola on the bay?, by Happy Shopper on Aug 26, 2009 17:51:16 GMT 1, According to POW they have in house printers now, but I've no idea when that started.
According to POW they have in house printers now, but I've no idea when that started.
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craigf
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fake green nola on the bay?, by craigf on Aug 26, 2009 18:04:04 GMT 1, They had in house, then Ben left so not sure what happened since then
They had in house, then Ben left so not sure what happened since then
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fake green nola on the bay?, by richy00 on Aug 27, 2009 10:11:22 GMT 1, has anyone had any word from PC or POW on this??
rather interesting. im not fussed if they are fakes but would be nice to hear the story if they are real PP's.
though having a few fake VLH's floating around does mean you need to remember to keep your COA!
has anyone had any word from PC or POW on this??
rather interesting. im not fussed if they are fakes but would be nice to hear the story if they are real PP's.
though having a few fake VLH's floating around does mean you need to remember to keep your COA!
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bob1972
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fake green nola on the bay?, by bob1972 on Aug 27, 2009 10:26:26 GMT 1, Its a fake, they are all just screen printed rip offs.
Its a fake, they are all just screen printed rip offs.
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hupster
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fake green nola on the bay?, by hupster on Aug 27, 2009 10:51:12 GMT 1, Its a fake, they are all just screen printed rip offs.
I am 100% sure POW outsource to a printer in the west midlands and ia m 100% sure there were more than 1 of the multirain edition made and held back. This could be one of them and a quick email asking for dimensions will help. The seller knows the correct variant of paper which as far as i know was never made public. As it looks the blend in the rain looks correct but untill you see/touch you can never tell.
Hupster
Its a fake, they are all just screen printed rip offs. I am 100% sure POW outsource to a printer in the west midlands and ia m 100% sure there were more than 1 of the multirain edition made and held back. This could be one of them and a quick email asking for dimensions will help. The seller knows the correct variant of paper which as far as i know was never made public. As it looks the blend in the rain looks correct but untill you see/touch you can never tell. Hupster
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fake green nola on the bay?, by wizzy on Aug 27, 2009 10:55:20 GMT 1, 100% sure Hupster?.
100% sure Hupster?.
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hupster
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fake green nola on the bay?, by hupster on Aug 27, 2009 10:57:05 GMT 1,
Yes. 100%
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risky
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fake green nola on the bay?, by risky on Aug 27, 2009 11:20:30 GMT 1, Should be treated as fakes until PROVEN otherwise.
Should be treated as fakes until PROVEN otherwise.
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dzjiezes
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fake green nola on the bay?, by dzjiezes on Aug 27, 2009 11:21:51 GMT 1, I have sent the seller a question regarding origin :
"Hi, This Was Given to me by my colleague who printed the run for pictures on walls. It is not a fake. Have Stated exactly what i am selling."
I have sent the seller a question regarding origin :
"Hi, This Was Given to me by my colleague who printed the run for pictures on walls. It is not a fake. Have Stated exactly what i am selling."
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silvermyn
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fake green nola on the bay?, by silvermyn on Aug 27, 2009 11:48:00 GMT 1, Interesting print but if it's unsigned I imagine POW will have nothing to do with it rendering valuation problematic.
Interesting print but if it's unsigned I imagine POW will have nothing to do with it rendering valuation problematic.
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risky
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fake green nola on the bay?, by risky on Aug 27, 2009 12:08:39 GMT 1, I have sent the seller a question regarding origin : "Hi, This Was Given to me by my colleague who printed the run for pictures on walls. It is not a fake. Have Stated exactly what i am selling."
And you believe him,or he's your friend?
I have sent the seller a question regarding origin : "Hi, This Was Given to me by my colleague who printed the run for pictures on walls. It is not a fake. Have Stated exactly what i am selling." And you believe him,or he's your friend?
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jakek
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fake green nola on the bay?, by jakek on Aug 27, 2009 12:54:50 GMT 1, I know as much as the next man on here, and normally wouldn't bother to join in this kind of thread but i'm inclined to believe the guy selling them.
The fact he has had 3 recent POW prints and sold them as they are suggests that the story might be right - that these have fallen off the back of a press and been passed through a few pairs of hands and ended up on the bay.
I guess the guys running the presses at whoever does them (i'd tend to agree that they're outsourced, the quantities and level of quality control required for these now perhaps exceeds what POW could do in house) earn a pretty standard wage and normally print run of the mill stuff. So if one or two of them realise that what they're printing now is worth thousands of pounds one or two of the prints might vanish...
While it would be nice to think that quantities are all carefully controlled there is nothing to stop a few more being run off - and the fact that POW have been able to produce replacements for damaged prints shows that overs are produced at the time of printing.
So i'd say that these are real, and are like the old back door prints, and the main issue with this is how much are you willing to pay for a print that was done at the same time on the same stock but not part of the editionned collection?
And as for PC certification there's no chance they'll get it. POW can check if it's real very quickly but as it was never meant as part of the run they'd not certify it and so it would only ever be a nice piece of paper on your wall compared to an investment which is how some people see a banksy print.
I know as much as the next man on here, and normally wouldn't bother to join in this kind of thread but i'm inclined to believe the guy selling them.
The fact he has had 3 recent POW prints and sold them as they are suggests that the story might be right - that these have fallen off the back of a press and been passed through a few pairs of hands and ended up on the bay.
I guess the guys running the presses at whoever does them (i'd tend to agree that they're outsourced, the quantities and level of quality control required for these now perhaps exceeds what POW could do in house) earn a pretty standard wage and normally print run of the mill stuff. So if one or two of them realise that what they're printing now is worth thousands of pounds one or two of the prints might vanish...
While it would be nice to think that quantities are all carefully controlled there is nothing to stop a few more being run off - and the fact that POW have been able to produce replacements for damaged prints shows that overs are produced at the time of printing.
So i'd say that these are real, and are like the old back door prints, and the main issue with this is how much are you willing to pay for a print that was done at the same time on the same stock but not part of the editionned collection?
And as for PC certification there's no chance they'll get it. POW can check if it's real very quickly but as it was never meant as part of the run they'd not certify it and so it would only ever be a nice piece of paper on your wall compared to an investment which is how some people see a banksy print.
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risky
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fake green nola on the bay?, by risky on Aug 27, 2009 13:15:27 GMT 1, Jakekenny,
Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up.
Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum?
Jakekenny,
Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up.
Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum?
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jakek
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fake green nola on the bay?, by jakek on Aug 27, 2009 13:38:34 GMT 1, Yes, it is pure speculation. I am not misleading anyone - meerly giving an opinion.
As i said i don't normally bother with this kind of thread but thought i'd add my two pence.
I think you'll see i say "I guess", "i'd say" and highlight the fact i know no more than anyone else - just left like giving my opinion.
I think anyone reading my comments would see them for what they are, just my opinion.
Yes, it is pure speculation. I am not misleading anyone - meerly giving an opinion.
As i said i don't normally bother with this kind of thread but thought i'd add my two pence.
I think you'll see i say "I guess", "i'd say" and highlight the fact i know no more than anyone else - just left like giving my opinion.
I think anyone reading my comments would see them for what they are, just my opinion.
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dotdot
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fake green nola on the bay?, by dotdot on Aug 27, 2009 13:39:34 GMT 1, fwiw
no prov = avoid
eos
fwiw
no prov = avoid
eos
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fake green nola on the bay?, by Daniel Silk on Aug 27, 2009 14:16:11 GMT 1, Jakekenny, Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum?
Saying something is fake could also be misleading.
ONLY The bloke that printed the Official run can say if he did this one or not. Anyway, it appears to have been taken down from ebay now.
Jakekenny, Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum? Saying something is fake could also be misleading. ONLY The bloke that printed the Official run can say if he did this one or not. Anyway, it appears to have been taken down from ebay now.
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hupster
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fake green nola on the bay?, by hupster on Aug 27, 2009 14:56:04 GMT 1, Jakekenny, Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum? Saying something is fake could also be misleading. ONLY The bloke that printed the Official run can say if he did this one or not. Anyway, it appears to have been taken down from ebay now.
Blokes..... not just one person prints them....
Jakekenny, Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum? Saying something is fake could also be misleading. ONLY The bloke that printed the Official run can say if he did this one or not. Anyway, it appears to have been taken down from ebay now. Blokes..... not just one person prints them....
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risky
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fake green nola on the bay?, by risky on Aug 27, 2009 16:10:27 GMT 1, Jakekenny, Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum? Saying something is fake could also be misleading. ONLY The bloke that printed the Official run can say if he did this one or not. Anyway, it appears to have been taken down from ebay now.
Really,who was the guy you used to buy yours off?
Jakekenny, Everything you have just said is pure speculation with nothing to back it up. Do you think you should be misleading people on a public forum? Saying something is fake could also be misleading. ONLY The bloke that printed the Official run can say if he did this one or not. Anyway, it appears to have been taken down from ebay now. Really,who was the guy you used to buy yours off?
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Philippe
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fake green nola on the bay?, by Philippe on Aug 27, 2009 20:59:07 GMT 1, haha hilarious. ;D
haha hilarious. ;D
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