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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by mouser on Mar 19, 2014 22:01:41 GMT 1, There are galleries on here, on the whole, they play the game and get involved in the banter- they can also add to the discussion- sometimes its interesting to have a different viewpoint.They are part of the art ecosystem, bottm feeders yes, but integral to the market what does my cake in is when someone pops up- the lack of intro , banter or basic manners is a personal beef with me - and requests a specific piece of art. The poster has no interest in the art, does not stock or deal in the stuff, has f**k all evidence of actually knowing anything about it- yet pops up demanding a piece that has effectively been off the radar for nigh on a decade now, shows a real lack of understanding or indeed interest. I warrant than some hedgie or Goldmans MD , living up in Greenwich Conn has decided that Bansky is the next aquisition for this investment portfolio, gallery gladhands the punter and promises to get him one. problem is that these dont really exisit any more-and if they did, very few people are dumb enough to flog em to a gallery, when they know they could quite easily get another 25-40% for it privately GTF /ends
The lack of transparency does nothing but cause mistrust and resentment in a scene that has predominantly had a good vibe and a strong ethos of helping each other out.
There are galleries on here, on the whole, they play the game and get involved in the banter- they can also add to the discussion- sometimes its interesting to have a different viewpoint.They are part of the art ecosystem, bottm feeders yes, but integral to the market what does my cake in is when someone pops up- the lack of intro , banter or basic manners is a personal beef with me - and requests a specific piece of art. The poster has no interest in the art, does not stock or deal in the stuff, has f**k all evidence of actually knowing anything about it- yet pops up demanding a piece that has effectively been off the radar for nigh on a decade now, shows a real lack of understanding or indeed interest. I warrant than some hedgie or Goldmans MD , living up in Greenwich Conn has decided that Bansky is the next aquisition for this investment portfolio, gallery gladhands the punter and promises to get him one. problem is that these dont really exisit any more-and if they did, very few people are dumb enough to flog em to a gallery, when they know they could quite easily get another 25-40% for it privately GTF /ends Firstly I am not a gallery and have absolutely no connection to a gallery, but disagree with the last part of your statement, its the galleries coming on here in their various guises offering daft cash for banksy prints that has driven the prices sky high in the last year. The galleries are offering more than a private sale in most cases, making it attractive for the seller, and can still walk away and slap a couple grand on the price to sell to their customer... the annoying thing is when said gallery pretends to be a private buyer, looking for private sale rates. Very duplicitous and underhanded. Once its uncovered ( as it always will be, its a small comunity) it causes serious mistrust with the gallery IMO. If galleries feel they have the right to charge significantly large prices for works picked up on the secondary market, then in my opinon they have the responsibility to disclose who they are (either gallery, or agent buying specifically for a gallery). The lack of transparency does nothing but cause mistrust and resentment in a scene that has predominantly had a good vibe and a strong ethos of helping each other out. |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 22:21:06 GMT 1, all good points mouser and taken on board - the issue for me is price distortion- they have to make their money, so very soon prices move up- whether I like it or not, the galleries are a barometer and reference point for many. Your Richard Bransons wont spend their time scatching around fanboi forums like this and haggling over a hundred quid or something on an applause.
all good points mouser and taken on board - the issue for me is price distortion- they have to make their money, so very soon prices move up- whether I like it or not, the galleries are a barometer and reference point for many. Your Richard Bransons wont spend their time scatching around fanboi forums like this and haggling over a hundred quid or something on an applause.
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mouser
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by mouser on Mar 19, 2014 22:35:03 GMT 1, True, but the galleries will, and then slap on a couple of grand before passing it onto the bransonites. If galleries want the goodwill they feel they deserve, why not play straight with the folk selling and let them know that their piece is going to be flipped, reduce the resale margin slightly and retain a buying base that is comfortable to deal with an open gallery rether than foster the current paranoid atmosphere where every sale is based at gallery pricing as private sellers think every sale is to a gallery.
I had a recent conversation with a private seller who, quoted a recent gallery sale price and for the life of him could not understand why a private buyer should not be expected to pay the same. Now that prices are going up up up, the inexperience and lack of understanding on both sides of the coin are becoming very prevalent, private sellers expecting gallery prices, galleries looking for private sale prices... no win for those who actually like the art but dont have cash to burn.
True, but the galleries will, and then slap on a couple of grand before passing it onto the bransonites. If galleries want the goodwill they feel they deserve, why not play straight with the folk selling and let them know that their piece is going to be flipped, reduce the resale margin slightly and retain a buying base that is comfortable to deal with an open gallery rether than foster the current paranoid atmosphere where every sale is based at gallery pricing as private sellers think every sale is to a gallery.
I had a recent conversation with a private seller who, quoted a recent gallery sale price and for the life of him could not understand why a private buyer should not be expected to pay the same. Now that prices are going up up up, the inexperience and lack of understanding on both sides of the coin are becoming very prevalent, private sellers expecting gallery prices, galleries looking for private sale prices... no win for those who actually like the art but dont have cash to burn.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 22:56:34 GMT 1, Gallery prices will always be higher than private sale price or there would'nt be galleries and like it or not they are necessary in the promotion of artists. If you buy from a "reputable" gallery you expect to pay more than buying privately for the simple reason their job is to provide collectors with security and knowledge in the sector they're dealing in. Private sellers should'nt expect gallery prices end of and galleries should be upfront about who they are and offer a fair market value for a private seller. Too many displaying mountains of banksys waiting for someone to come looking then search everywhere for one. Galleries should deal in either what they have or what they have access to.
Gallery prices will always be higher than private sale price or there would'nt be galleries and like it or not they are necessary in the promotion of artists. If you buy from a "reputable" gallery you expect to pay more than buying privately for the simple reason their job is to provide collectors with security and knowledge in the sector they're dealing in. Private sellers should'nt expect gallery prices end of and galleries should be upfront about who they are and offer a fair market value for a private seller. Too many displaying mountains of banksys waiting for someone to come looking then search everywhere for one. Galleries should deal in either what they have or what they have access to.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 0:12:21 GMT 1, Im going to piss off as my ranting internet persona is getting a kicking by reasonableness
Im going to piss off as my ranting internet persona is getting a kicking by reasonableness
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 0:49:05 GMT 1, Im going to piss off as my ranting internet persona is getting a kicking by reasonableness
Im going to piss off as my ranting internet persona is getting a kicking by reasonableness You have valid points for sure sceptic, we're all looking at it from a different point of view but the one thing I think everyone commenting on this thread I think would agree on is upfrontedness/being open about the situation. Flipping is the nature of the beast in the art world but if you're going to do it have someone ready to buy, don't run around the country offering it to everyone and his mates, the chances are if someone offers it to 10 dealers/buyers at least a few will offer it out to others and suddenly it looks like there's a number available when there's prob only 1 or 2. |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by johnnyh on Mar 20, 2014 7:57:23 GMT 1, There will always be traders and flipper who are quite different from Galleries. But unless you have a police background check then it ain't gonna stop them being members here. Remember know one buys anything that's not for sale. One can also understand sellers getting the highest price offered just as they have to lower when it's not the most popular piece.
There are also different types of galleries artist galleries, galleries done for the love of art eg a sideline, a small business gallery, just an online gallery, corporate style galleries with multiple outlets etc etc Castle who I do not know and likewise Brooklyn and a fair few others contribute plenty on here.
we could kick the artists of here too!! Come on here producing art I do not always like its ridiculous
Good to see a 150 post member talking about commitment
There will always be traders and flipper who are quite different from Galleries. But unless you have a police background check then it ain't gonna stop them being members here. Remember know one buys anything that's not for sale. One can also understand sellers getting the highest price offered just as they have to lower when it's not the most popular piece.
There are also different types of galleries artist galleries, galleries done for the love of art eg a sideline, a small business gallery, just an online gallery, corporate style galleries with multiple outlets etc etc Castle who I do not know and likewise Brooklyn and a fair few others contribute plenty on here.
we could kick the artists of here too!! Come on here producing art I do not always like its ridiculous
Good to see a 150 post member talking about commitment
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Wattsie on Mar 20, 2014 8:21:09 GMT 1, I think it is complete rubbish that galleries are needed for promotion of artists. With the advent of a thing called the internet and social media, it has never been easier for an artist to self promote.
Galleries have more connections and can therefore get you a piece quicker but you pay a premium. I guess in the age of wanting everything now, galleries are still desired for that reason. I believe if you do your research and are patient, then you have a pretty good chance at getting the piece you want.
I think it is complete rubbish that galleries are needed for promotion of artists. With the advent of a thing called the internet and social media, it has never been easier for an artist to self promote.
Galleries have more connections and can therefore get you a piece quicker but you pay a premium. I guess in the age of wanting everything now, galleries are still desired for that reason. I believe if you do your research and are patient, then you have a pretty good chance at getting the piece you want.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 9:02:33 GMT 1, I think it is complete rubbish that galleries are needed for promotion of artists. With the advent of a thing called the internet and social media, it has never been easier for an artist to self promote. Galleries have more connections and can therefore get you a piece quicker but you pay a premium. I guess in the age of wanting everything now, galleries are still desired for that reason. I believe if you do your research and are patient, then you have a pretty good chance at getting the piece you want.
the internet and social media is fantastic for artists to promote their work and many artists have the ability to do it without the help of galleries but i deal with lots of artists who just want to paint and come to galleries because they dont want to deal directly with customers because as we all know it can be a difficult process, also dealing thro' a gallery means the gallery spends time/money and effort getting the work out and the artist can concentrate on doing what they're best at. The good thing about the likes of this forum is if you're willing to spend a good bit of time reading posts and building relationships/trust you can reduce the risks involved in dealing with people who mostly you've never met, a lot of people don't have that time and theres still degrees of risk. If you spend £50 and something goes wrong most can take it on the chin and call it a learning experience, with a few thousand or more it could have taken years to get together and to the risk is'nt worth it for a lot of people at that level. This is just the tip of the iceberg, for me theres nothing wrong with people choosing to buy privately or through galleries, theres pros and cons both ways
I think it is complete rubbish that galleries are needed for promotion of artists. With the advent of a thing called the internet and social media, it has never been easier for an artist to self promote. Galleries have more connections and can therefore get you a piece quicker but you pay a premium. I guess in the age of wanting everything now, galleries are still desired for that reason. I believe if you do your research and are patient, then you have a pretty good chance at getting the piece you want. the internet and social media is fantastic for artists to promote their work and many artists have the ability to do it without the help of galleries but i deal with lots of artists who just want to paint and come to galleries because they dont want to deal directly with customers because as we all know it can be a difficult process, also dealing thro' a gallery means the gallery spends time/money and effort getting the work out and the artist can concentrate on doing what they're best at. The good thing about the likes of this forum is if you're willing to spend a good bit of time reading posts and building relationships/trust you can reduce the risks involved in dealing with people who mostly you've never met, a lot of people don't have that time and theres still degrees of risk. If you spend £50 and something goes wrong most can take it on the chin and call it a learning experience, with a few thousand or more it could have taken years to get together and to the risk is'nt worth it for a lot of people at that level. This is just the tip of the iceberg, for me theres nothing wrong with people choosing to buy privately or through galleries, theres pros and cons both ways |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 9:07:49 GMT 1, I think you’re right to a point but nothing beats seeing an artist’s work in a gallery, set out as the artist intended, rather than just an image on a screen.
If you know what you want then sure, you don't necessarily need a gallery to find it but just thinking about some of the great ‘live' experiences I’ve had recently: Sage Vaughn, Cyclops at Outsiders, Art14, Phlegm show, Cyrcle at Stolen Space to name just a few - as well as others I’ve expected to like and been underwhelmed by - I think the galleries do and will continue to serve an important role in introducing art (whether by established or emerging artists) to us all.
And I’m not a gallery nor do I work for one btw 
I think you’re right to a point but nothing beats seeing an artist’s work in a gallery, set out as the artist intended, rather than just an image on a screen. If you know what you want then sure, you don't necessarily need a gallery to find it but just thinking about some of the great ‘live' experiences I’ve had recently: Sage Vaughn, Cyclops at Outsiders, Art14, Phlegm show, Cyrcle at Stolen Space to name just a few - as well as others I’ve expected to like and been underwhelmed by - I think the galleries do and will continue to serve an important role in introducing art (whether by established or emerging artists) to us all. And I’m not a gallery nor do I work for one btw |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by johnnyh on Mar 20, 2014 9:38:33 GMT 1, Your quite right Ekap it's very much live live gigs for musicians.
People can down load tunes online similar to prints but live music where a lot of the money is nowadays likewise canvases and shows all over the world requires a promoter /gallery.
It's these with street work that drive the online sales. There are not many artists walking away from the gallery concept for two reasons one because it works and two they do not have a real alternative particularly outside their own geographic turf at the moment
Galleries of course then trade works and this will stay as long as it's profitable. Just as individuals trade works we know there is a lot of that due to the amount of FS threads on here.
Your quite right Ekap it's very much live live gigs for musicians.
People can down load tunes online similar to prints but live music where a lot of the money is nowadays likewise canvases and shows all over the world requires a promoter /gallery.
It's these with street work that drive the online sales. There are not many artists walking away from the gallery concept for two reasons one because it works and two they do not have a real alternative particularly outside their own geographic turf at the moment
Galleries of course then trade works and this will stay as long as it's profitable. Just as individuals trade works we know there is a lot of that due to the amount of FS threads on here.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 9:57:17 GMT 1, This is so true ekap and jh, seeing images of prints on the screen is one thing, you've a fair idea of what youre getting, its always nice to see works with texture etc in the flesh and also i get lots of students and people who cant afford some of the works but they can come in and enjoy them. Theres nothing like seeing a collection of works by your fav artist/artists
This is so true ekap and jh, seeing images of prints on the screen is one thing, you've a fair idea of what youre getting, its always nice to see works with texture etc in the flesh and also i get lots of students and people who cant afford some of the works but they can come in and enjoy them. Theres nothing like seeing a collection of works by your fav artist/artists
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Mar 31, 2016 16:32:42 GMT 1, I bought recently this Screenprint, also a Flower Thrower but another version of it. Graffiti tag on the front and the back with CoA. Pretty sure it's also a real one...
I bought recently this Screenprint, also a Flower Thrower but another version of it. Graffiti tag on the front and the back with CoA. Pretty sure it's also a real one... |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:36:13 GMT 1, I bought recently this Screenprint, also a Flower Thrower but another version of it. Graffiti tag on the front and the back with CoA. Pretty sure it's also a real one...
I bought recently this Screenprint, also a Flower Thrower but another version of it. Graffiti tag on the front and the back with CoA. Pretty sure it's also a real one... hope you didnt pay more than a tenner for that ...... |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Mar 31, 2016 16:37:38 GMT 1, How do you mean? you think it's fake? I think it looks great but please share your expertise
How do you mean? you think it's fake? I think it looks great but please share your expertise |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by iamzero on Mar 31, 2016 16:52:20 GMT 1, Very questionable. Not even close to the original cut stencil.
Very questionable. Not even close to the original cut stencil.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by coller on Jun 6, 2019 18:11:26 GMT 1, good way to figuratively set 10,000 euros on fire
good way to figuratively set 10,000 euros on fire
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Inknart on Jun 6, 2019 18:18:16 GMT 1, Do you go out of your way to find all thiss**te you post ? or does it find you ?
He'll get it.
As they say, if it seems to good to be true...
Do you go out of your way to find all thiss**te you post ? or does it find you ? Actually reminds me of myself when I very first started collecting and was rampant, all over the place trying to sort real from fake, prices, artists, ect. There's a learning curve like everything in life. Maybe he's just a little new and wide eyed. He'll get it. As they say, if it seems to good to be true... |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:20:03 GMT 1, Do you go out of your way to find all thiss**te you post ? or does it find you ?
Be kind!!!
Do you go out of your way to find all thiss**te you post ? or does it find you ? Be kind!!! |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by teabaggins on Jun 6, 2019 18:29:59 GMT 1, I wish I had a Tony original... one day.
I wish I had a Tony original... one day.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:39:01 GMT 1, Too late, i snapped it up !
Too late, i snapped it up !
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Guy Denning on Jun 6, 2019 22:21:32 GMT 1, Classy.
Classy. |
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by lot21 on Jun 6, 2019 23:02:48 GMT 1, I actually met Tony through a friend of a friend who once lived in London. He didn't call himself Tony but you could tell it was him.
I actually met Tony through a friend of a friend who once lived in London. He didn't call himself Tony but you could tell it was him.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Lroy on Jun 7, 2019 7:22:59 GMT 1, If the poster wants to try to to sell it, why not ?
Why insults already ?!
He does what he wants ?! Some are making art here, erm ...
I know Tony, he has a moustache.
If the poster wants to try to to sell it, why not ?
Why insults already ?!
He does what he wants ?! Some are making art here, erm ...
I know Tony, he has a moustache.
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by JJN on Apr 28, 2020 3:38:48 GMT 1, I like the rawness of this 1
I like the rawness of this 1
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Banksy • Flower Thrower, by Unica on Apr 28, 2020 14:23:34 GMT 1, I have seen several variations of this image on cardboard.
I have seen several variations of this image on cardboard.
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