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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by sammyman on Oct 4, 2009 19:14:13 GMT 1, I am looking around and thinking I want to pick up at least 1 Damien Hirst for my collection. Is the best place to buy his stuff on othercriteria, through auction sites like christies, or through private galleries that might have some older work? I am trying to find a piece I like and that is reasonably priced.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
I am looking around and thinking I want to pick up at least 1 Damien Hirst for my collection. Is the best place to buy his stuff on othercriteria, through auction sites like christies, or through private galleries that might have some older work? I am trying to find a piece I like and that is reasonably priced.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by wizzy on Oct 4, 2009 19:49:23 GMT 1, Look in all those places Sammyman. Only you know what you like.
Look in all those places Sammyman. Only you know what you like.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by sammyman on Oct 4, 2009 20:24:06 GMT 1, Does othercriteria usually have the best prices for his artwork?
Does othercriteria usually have the best prices for his artwork?
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Richard on Oct 4, 2009 20:42:06 GMT 1, Does othercriteria usually have the best prices for his artwork?
Other Criteria is the primary source for Damien's works...so if someone else is selling something they still have in stock...they will have to sell it for less...otherwise you would just go to Other Criteria.
No one will be able to sell something Other Criteria are selling for more.
Not sure if that makes sense.
Basically - no they won't be the cheapest, but it gives you total piece of mind, and it will not be that much more expensive.
Does othercriteria usually have the best prices for his artwork? Other Criteria is the primary source for Damien's works...so if someone else is selling something they still have in stock...they will have to sell it for less...otherwise you would just go to Other Criteria. No one will be able to sell something Other Criteria are selling for more. Not sure if that makes sense. Basically - no they won't be the cheapest, but it gives you total piece of mind, and it will not be that much more expensive.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by linkd95 on Oct 4, 2009 21:39:06 GMT 1, From the man himself
From the man himself
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Rsyok on Oct 4, 2009 21:45:51 GMT 1, Lost me there, Richard..
Other Criteria sell on a sliding scale increasing as the edition sells so if you see something 'new' you like, all the better. Some auctions had some low pricing early on this year but the work in the Philips sale 26/9 (valium & opium spots) went around 7K. All according what you like and can afford, best of luck.
Lost me there, Richard..
Other Criteria sell on a sliding scale increasing as the edition sells so if you see something 'new' you like, all the better. Some auctions had some low pricing early on this year but the work in the Philips sale 26/9 (valium & opium spots) went around 7K. All according what you like and can afford, best of luck.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by mose on Oct 4, 2009 21:51:34 GMT 1, You don't shop focusing on price when it comes to Hirst unless you like regret.
You don't shop focusing on price when it comes to Hirst unless you like regret.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Michael Jacob on Oct 5, 2009 13:56:54 GMT 1, Id agree with going to other criteria. There are many very high end fakes out there. "piece of mind" has a premium. As with the sliding scale, i think it sucks, but its not going to change. Your best bet is to buy from other criteria early on, when a print is released. If you want a earlier classic like LSD, etc, then I would go with an auction house.
If im not mistaken, other criteria wont even authenticate a piece unless you buy it from them. THE FAKES ARE THAT GOOD!
Best of luck.
Id agree with going to other criteria. There are many very high end fakes out there. "piece of mind" has a premium. As with the sliding scale, i think it sucks, but its not going to change. Your best bet is to buy from other criteria early on, when a print is released. If you want a earlier classic like LSD, etc, then I would go with an auction house.
If im not mistaken, other criteria wont even authenticate a piece unless you buy it from them. THE FAKES ARE THAT GOOD!
Best of luck.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by chiefhk on Oct 5, 2009 14:28:14 GMT 1, Not sure why anyone would purchase the newer prints/editions anywhere else other than from Other Criteria?
I think a couple of the better established galleries have the older prints like the ABSOLUTELY Amazingly BEAUTIFUL "Souls of Jacob's Ladder Take Their Flight" LARGE butterfly prints! Well in my opinion anyway.......
Not sure why anyone would purchase the newer prints/editions anywhere else other than from Other Criteria?
I think a couple of the better established galleries have the older prints like the ABSOLUTELY Amazingly BEAUTIFUL "Souls of Jacob's Ladder Take Their Flight" LARGE butterfly prints! Well in my opinion anyway.......
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 5, 2009 15:14:40 GMT 1, I disagree completely. Other criteria are wildly over priced when it comes to New editions. For instance, Paragon Press who also publish his prints, and have published him since the 90's represent much better value than the editions from other Criteria.
You can pick up large sized butterfly etchings at auction for about ยฃ5,000, for a print 7 times larger than the OC prints they are the only way to go.
That said I would always go to auction. And I would never, ever buy a valium/LSD or any other Eyestorm published print. The Lamda prints he made are the lowest quality and represent by far the worst value for money out there. They were extremely cheaply made, and were faked in huge numbers - never ever buy one you will regret it. If you want spots, you can buy an aquatint from an edition of under 50 for about ยฃ5000 at auction, these are and always will be much more desirebable than the dreadful Lamdas that eyestorm put out. Again produced by Paragon, there are about 20 designs out there, I bought a decent sized one for a client a few months ago for ยฃ4,000 + premium, though I expect you'll need an extra grand or so now that the market has picked up a little.
However the best in my opinion would be any plate from the Last Supper portfolio. They are his first series of published graphics (also done with Charles Booth-Clibborn at Paragon Press), very large and stunningly made. At auction expect to pay between 2,000-4,000 for one, an absolute bargain in my opinion (a set of 13 recently made ยฃ50,000) , and the only Hirst prints I would ever choose to own (and I do).
If you seriously want some help PM me as I can point you in the right direction so you wont get ripped off.
I disagree completely. Other criteria are wildly over priced when it comes to New editions. For instance, Paragon Press who also publish his prints, and have published him since the 90's represent much better value than the editions from other Criteria.
You can pick up large sized butterfly etchings at auction for about ยฃ5,000, for a print 7 times larger than the OC prints they are the only way to go.
That said I would always go to auction. And I would never, ever buy a valium/LSD or any other Eyestorm published print. The Lamda prints he made are the lowest quality and represent by far the worst value for money out there. They were extremely cheaply made, and were faked in huge numbers - never ever buy one you will regret it. If you want spots, you can buy an aquatint from an edition of under 50 for about ยฃ5000 at auction, these are and always will be much more desirebable than the dreadful Lamdas that eyestorm put out. Again produced by Paragon, there are about 20 designs out there, I bought a decent sized one for a client a few months ago for ยฃ4,000 + premium, though I expect you'll need an extra grand or so now that the market has picked up a little.
However the best in my opinion would be any plate from the Last Supper portfolio. They are his first series of published graphics (also done with Charles Booth-Clibborn at Paragon Press), very large and stunningly made. At auction expect to pay between 2,000-4,000 for one, an absolute bargain in my opinion (a set of 13 recently made ยฃ50,000) , and the only Hirst prints I would ever choose to own (and I do).
If you seriously want some help PM me as I can point you in the right direction so you wont get ripped off.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by achtungbono on Oct 5, 2009 15:15:20 GMT 1, I have OC Hirsts
when you are layimng our sizeable money for a new DH, there is no other option really
If you want something in particular, eg the LSD, then auction house would be the best way - but as pople have said, make sure its a good one & has rock solid prov - China has people producing these things to order & they are as good as the originals...
I have OC Hirsts
when you are layimng our sizeable money for a new DH, there is no other option really
If you want something in particular, eg the LSD, then auction house would be the best way - but as pople have said, make sure its a good one & has rock solid prov - China has people producing these things to order & they are as good as the originals...
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 5, 2009 15:19:15 GMT 1, Out of interest Achtung, why did you buy from OC over Paragon? It just makes no sense to buy from them, unless you're an outrageously wealthy Russian or Arab Sheik who lights his cigars with ยฃ50 notes and bathes in a bathroom made of gold
Out of interest Achtung, why did you buy from OC over Paragon? It just makes no sense to buy from them, unless you're an outrageously wealthy Russian or Arab Sheik who lights his cigars with ยฃ50 notes and bathes in a bathroom made of gold
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by achtungbono on Oct 5, 2009 15:23:15 GMT 1, I liked the image & it was the only place that had them - not much choice in that sense - I wanted a pair, ideally with a certain matching number between them - OC provided this
I do agree that OC is expensive,but they have the ability to dictate the price as they hold the editions.
I have heard that the eyestorm ones a lo quality as well
I liked the image & it was the only place that had them - not much choice in that sense - I wanted a pair, ideally with a certain matching number between them - OC provided this
I do agree that OC is expensive,but they have the ability to dictate the price as they hold the editions.
I have heard that the eyestorm ones a lo quality as well
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by achtungbono on Oct 5, 2009 15:24:42 GMT 1, incidentally, what are the original prices like / were like for the Paragon chemical dots series ?
incidentally, what are the original prices like / were like for the Paragon chemical dots series ?
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by afroken on Oct 5, 2009 15:26:32 GMT 1, I wouldn't buy direct from Paragon as they're very expensive (although extremely helpful). But buying Paragon published prints at auction is the way to go.
I wouldn't buy direct from Paragon as they're very expensive (although extremely helpful). But buying Paragon published prints at auction is the way to go.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 5, 2009 15:30:49 GMT 1, Prices, depend on the size, but you're looking at between ยฃ3,000 and 12,000 at auction for the older editions by Paragon. Quality is by far the best of any of his prints. Published price for most is from about ยฃ8,000, rising to ยฃ20,000. So many dealers bought quantity that they have been dumping them pretty heavily at auction, so you can get real bargains if you look at the sales. Best venues in London - Bonham's, Bloomsbury Auctions and Christie's South Kensington. With the exception of CSK Bonham's and Bloomsbury have the lowest buyers premiums, and as they offer mixed artist 20th Century Print sales you tend to get a good selection of works in each sale. I know for a fac that both have Hirst etchings in their December sales.
Prices, depend on the size, but you're looking at between ยฃ3,000 and 12,000 at auction for the older editions by Paragon. Quality is by far the best of any of his prints. Published price for most is from about ยฃ8,000, rising to ยฃ20,000. So many dealers bought quantity that they have been dumping them pretty heavily at auction, so you can get real bargains if you look at the sales. Best venues in London - Bonham's, Bloomsbury Auctions and Christie's South Kensington. With the exception of CSK Bonham's and Bloomsbury have the lowest buyers premiums, and as they offer mixed artist 20th Century Print sales you tend to get a good selection of works in each sale. I know for a fac that both have Hirst etchings in their December sales.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Karl Read on Oct 5, 2009 16:04:17 GMT 1, Looks like a new print being released thursday on othercriteria.
Looks like a new print being released thursday on othercriteria.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by graffoto on Oct 5, 2009 16:23:28 GMT 1, It's these: 30 different Skull foil block prints Published in association witn Paul Stolper (very nice man)
more here ยฃ3450 a pop edition of 15 each
www.othercriteria.com/browse/all/all/thedead/
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 5, 2009 16:25:53 GMT 1, just what I was going to say. Ok if you like that kind of thing. At least the edition size is small.
just what I was going to say. Ok if you like that kind of thing. At least the edition size is small.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by graffoto on Oct 5, 2009 16:27:51 GMT 1, but there are 15 of each of the 30 - 450 x ยฃ3450 someone is going to coin it in when these sell out.... not for me even at 1/2 the price
but there are 15 of each of the 30 - 450 x ยฃ3450 someone is going to coin it in when these sell out.... not for me even at 1/2 the price
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 5, 2009 16:42:15 GMT 1, Indeed. That is why Damien Hirst is worth over ยฃ200,000,000. I would buy at ยฃ1,500 they are a good value at that price. At ยฃ3,500 really too much money. Though they are quite big
Indeed. That is why Damien Hirst is worth over ยฃ200,000,000. I would buy at ยฃ1,500 they are a good value at that price. At ยฃ3,500 really too much money. Though they are quite big
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by sashaz on Oct 5, 2009 17:41:38 GMT 1, Im sure they look different in real ife as they are foil print?
Im sure they look different in real ife as they are foil print?
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by snausages on Oct 5, 2009 19:31:52 GMT 1, I'd disagree somewhat about the comments on the Eyestorm prints. They are sought after and iconic due to them being the (I believe) first spot editions. You're paying for that, you're not paying for how much it cost to produce them. ANd personally I think the gloss works for this type of image and concept relating to science and technology.
As for the fakes, yes there are "fakes" but if you get one with serious documentation and or through eyestorm or a major auction house where you have recourse then it shouldn't be a problem. Just don't be stupid and if it looks too good to be true it probably is, but Eyestorm can tell the difference between the "fakes" and real prints. The problem has cooled since the publicity, arrests, and quite a number of these have been removed from circulation.
The paragon prints are also very nice but can go for a lot more money. The eyestorm prints, you never know what they might sell for so you might be able to get a good deal at auction. THe OC spot prints, just seem like a waste to me personally. Too long in the tooth.
I'd disagree somewhat about the comments on the Eyestorm prints. They are sought after and iconic due to them being the (I believe) first spot editions. You're paying for that, you're not paying for how much it cost to produce them. ANd personally I think the gloss works for this type of image and concept relating to science and technology.
As for the fakes, yes there are "fakes" but if you get one with serious documentation and or through eyestorm or a major auction house where you have recourse then it shouldn't be a problem. Just don't be stupid and if it looks too good to be true it probably is, but Eyestorm can tell the difference between the "fakes" and real prints. The problem has cooled since the publicity, arrests, and quite a number of these have been removed from circulation.
The paragon prints are also very nice but can go for a lot more money. The eyestorm prints, you never know what they might sell for so you might be able to get a good deal at auction. THe OC spot prints, just seem like a waste to me personally. Too long in the tooth.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Michael Jacob on Oct 5, 2009 19:36:33 GMT 1, on a sarcastic note... commission cartrain.
on a sarcastic note... commission cartrain.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 5, 2009 19:44:52 GMT 1, Snausages they may have been produced first, but they are appauling quality, and for any serious print collector they are little more than signed digital photographs. They are not fine prints, this is why you can sometimes pick up a bargain, as the only people who buy them are casual buyers who don't know any better. Any serious collector wouldn't touch them with a barge-pole.
I remember when they were first published (I think the were priced at about 400-800 each) and told the Eyestorm Director at the time they were crap, he agreed with me, but said it was all about mass marketing Hirst - that for me says it all really.
Snausages they may have been produced first, but they are appauling quality, and for any serious print collector they are little more than signed digital photographs. They are not fine prints, this is why you can sometimes pick up a bargain, as the only people who buy them are casual buyers who don't know any better. Any serious collector wouldn't touch them with a barge-pole.
I remember when they were first published (I think the were priced at about 400-800 each) and told the Eyestorm Director at the time they were crap, he agreed with me, but said it was all about mass marketing Hirst - that for me says it all really.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by snausages on Oct 5, 2009 19:51:33 GMT 1, but said it was all about mass marketing Hirst You could say that about the OC spot prints as well. You could also complain about the quality of some Banksy prints, but it's the concept, history and image that drive the price up. And of course "serious collectors" aren't going to care about a 5k print, they're buying the overpriced etchings and canvases. The etchings to me are just an excuse to have something to sell to the mid-tier market, it's all marketing too, I just don't see the value difference being tens of thousands even if they are etchings, and I am fond of that technique.
And for what it's worth, I owned an Opium previously and personally I think it looked outstanding on the wall, quality was better than a number of digital prints I've seen come from famous photographers.
but said it was all about mass marketing Hirst You could say that about the OC spot prints as well. You could also complain about the quality of some Banksy prints, but it's the concept, history and image that drive the price up. And of course "serious collectors" aren't going to care about a 5k print, they're buying the overpriced etchings and canvases. The etchings to me are just an excuse to have something to sell to the mid-tier market, it's all marketing too, I just don't see the value difference being tens of thousands even if they are etchings, and I am fond of that technique.
And for what it's worth, I owned an Opium previously and personally I think it looked outstanding on the wall, quality was better than a number of digital prints I've seen come from famous photographers.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Pattycakes on Oct 6, 2009 11:26:27 GMT 1, I agree the OC spot prints are not particularly good, and I would not buy one of those either. Of course it's your opinion as it is mine, however, I stand by my statement that any serious print collector wouldn't have one of those appauling Eyestorm prints in their collection, because they are utter crap.
As for the value difference, in etchings to the lamdas, clearly you don't appreciate the technical aspect of print making and it's valiue to a collector so it's not really worth going into that. Digital printing is still very much in it's infancy, and whilst a few artist's use it carefully and well (Richard Hamilton's digital prints of the last decade are by far the best in my opinion) , most work that is digitally printed is lazy and produced only to generate a fast buck.
I agree the OC spot prints are not particularly good, and I would not buy one of those either. Of course it's your opinion as it is mine, however, I stand by my statement that any serious print collector wouldn't have one of those appauling Eyestorm prints in their collection, because they are utter crap.
As for the value difference, in etchings to the lamdas, clearly you don't appreciate the technical aspect of print making and it's valiue to a collector so it's not really worth going into that. Digital printing is still very much in it's infancy, and whilst a few artist's use it carefully and well (Richard Hamilton's digital prints of the last decade are by far the best in my opinion) , most work that is digitally printed is lazy and produced only to generate a fast buck.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by snausages on Oct 6, 2009 18:33:44 GMT 1, As for the value difference, in etchings to the lamdas, clearly you don't appreciate the technical aspect of print making and it's valiue to a collector so it's not really worth going into that. Digital printing is still very much in it's infancy, and whilst a few artist's use it carefully and well (Richard Hamilton's digital prints of the last decade are by far the best in my opinion) , most work that is digitally printed is lazy and produced only to generate a fast buck. Well we obviously have a different perspective here about the eyestorm prints, but it's not safe to assume I don't value the process of etching. In fact it is my favorite printmaking technique. But considering the etchings can retail for about 30-50k usd I very much think they are not worth it. They're for people who think they're too rich to own an Opium or LSD.
My point that I briefly mentioned is that for this concept, of recreating from his minds eye what he thinks LSD would look like under a microscope, I think the precision and science behind using a contemporary digital technique is a perfect complement. A handmade etching of circles, I don't see the connection.
I think you can get amazing line work from etchings, but more suited to artistic images. The etchings by Barry Mcgee and the Exquisite Corpse prints some may have seen at PdP recently are outstanding. I would never want to see those images as lambda print editions. But for spot prints I think photographic printing process is perfect.
But I do generally agree with your sentiment on digital printing and am dismayed at the amount of Epson prints being produced today.
As for the value difference, in etchings to the lamdas, clearly you don't appreciate the technical aspect of print making and it's valiue to a collector so it's not really worth going into that. Digital printing is still very much in it's infancy, and whilst a few artist's use it carefully and well (Richard Hamilton's digital prints of the last decade are by far the best in my opinion) , most work that is digitally printed is lazy and produced only to generate a fast buck. Well we obviously have a different perspective here about the eyestorm prints, but it's not safe to assume I don't value the process of etching. In fact it is my favorite printmaking technique. But considering the etchings can retail for about 30-50k usd I very much think they are not worth it. They're for people who think they're too rich to own an Opium or LSD. My point that I briefly mentioned is that for this concept, of recreating from his minds eye what he thinks LSD would look like under a microscope, I think the precision and science behind using a contemporary digital technique is a perfect complement. A handmade etching of circles, I don't see the connection. I think you can get amazing line work from etchings, but more suited to artistic images. The etchings by Barry Mcgee and the Exquisite Corpse prints some may have seen at PdP recently are outstanding. I would never want to see those images as lambda print editions. But for spot prints I think photographic printing process is perfect. But I do generally agree with your sentiment on digital printing and am dismayed at the amount of Epson prints being produced today.
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Francis on Oct 6, 2009 18:49:49 GMT 1, i asked my mate, who collects this artist, and he said to call or email Larry. this is his website with all the info: www.gagosian.com/
good luck
i asked my mate, who collects this artist, and he said to call or email Larry. this is his website with all the info: www.gagosian.com/good luck
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Best place to buy a Damien Hirst?, by Winter on Oct 6, 2009 19:02:17 GMT 1, Trying to decide whether to go for one of the skulls on thursday. Anyone going for one?
Trying to decide whether to go for one of the skulls on thursday. Anyone going for one?
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