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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 28, 2017 21:09:27 GMT 1, But surely you can't really value it accurately until we see the results of the restoration. I hope it can be done, the outcome will be interesting to see.
We couldn't insure it until it was up in 1 piece (as it could've fallen to pieces) & safely transported away!
But surely you can't really value it accurately until we see the results of the restoration. I hope it can be done, the outcome will be interesting to see. You're given a range of figures mate...such as 500 - 600k, 750 - 825k etc...nobody can put an exact figure on it as, you're correct in saying, nobody knows how good the finished piece will be. We couldn't insure it until it was up in 1 piece (as it could've fallen to pieces) & safely transported away! |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 28, 2017 21:10:40 GMT 1, Oh dear how sad. I wonder which gallery has taken it on. Thats already lost, but im sure it will look almost passable after a respray a repaint and a touch up or two.
Oh dear how sad. I wonder which gallery has taken it on. Thats already lost, but im sure it will look almost passable after a respray a repaint and a touch up or two. It'll look exactly like the day it was sprayed on the wall! |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 28, 2017 21:12:20 GMT 1,
Who's Bignell mate? I'm curious!
Who's Bignell mate? I'm curious!
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by tartarus on Apr 28, 2017 21:19:03 GMT 1, Oh dear how sad. I wonder which gallery has taken it on. Thats already lost, but im sure it will look almost passable after a respray a repaint and a touch up or two. It'll look exactly like the day it was sprayed on the wall!
Oh dear how sad. I wonder which gallery has taken it on. Thats already lost, but im sure it will look almost passable after a respray a repaint and a touch up or two. It'll look exactly like the day it was sprayed on the wall! If it does, it will be so repainted it wont be a Banksy anymore! |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by milo99 on Apr 28, 2017 22:58:55 GMT 1, Who's Bignell mate? I'm curious!
Print restorer, one of the best
Who's Bignell mate? I'm curious! Print restorer, one of the best |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by met on Apr 29, 2017 0:47:22 GMT 1,
The reference to "as it should be!" is categoric.
You make this sound like a self-evident truth, where everyone is unanimously agreed.
Which begs the question: "as it should be!", according to whom?
According to the artist, the actual creator of the piece? Has Banksy changed his general position regarding the ephemeral nature of his street art?
Must have been £5000 to move it and respray Respray what?? Nothing will be resprayed...it's now a 6 - 9 month process for removing the layers of paint & restoring the original artwork underneath. You obv have no idea of just what's involved mate! It's well into 6 figures what this'll cost fully restored...it was nearly 20k for designing the frame, the steels, fabrication, ground works, welding etc etc then lifting & transportation! As for rather having the print...there isn't 1 of this mate, it's unique & iconic!
That sure is a lot of money.
Have you considered all possible options?
A small fortune could be saved by using the modestly-priced services of another professional with first-hand experience in this field.
Give Jez a call. He's at The Prince Albert in Brighton. Tel: 01273 730 499
The reference to "as it should be!" is categoric. You make this sound like a self-evident truth, where everyone is unanimously agreed. Which begs the question: "as it should be!", according to whom? According to the artist, the actual creator of the piece? Has Ban ksy changed his general position regarding the ephemeral nature of his str eet art? Must have been £5000 to move it and respray Respray what?? Nothing will be resprayed...it's now a 6 - 9 month process for removing the layers of paint & restoring the original artwork underneath. You obv have no idea of just what's involved mate! It's well into 6 figures what this'll cost fully restored...it was nearly 20k for designing the frame, the steels, fabrication, ground works, welding etc etc then lifting & transportation! As for rather having the print...there isn't 1 of this mate, it's unique & iconic! That sure is a lot of money. Have you considered all possible options? A small fortune could be saved by using the modestly-priced services of another professional with first-hand experience in this field. Give Jez a call. He's at The Prince Albert in Brighton. Tel: 01273 730 499 |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by lee3 on Apr 29, 2017 2:41:16 GMT 1, Must have been £5000 to move it and respray Respray what?? Nothing will be resprayed...it's now a 6 - 9 month process for removing the layers of paint & restoring the original artwork underneath. You obv have no idea of just what's involved mate! It's well into 6 figures what this'll cost fully restored...it was nearly 20k for designing the frame, the steels, fabrication, ground works, welding etc etc then lifting & transportation! As for rather having the print...there isn't 1 of this mate, it's unique & iconic! 
You've probably spent more on removal than it will be worth, let alone restoration.
Must have been £5000 to move it and respray Respray what?? Nothing will be resprayed...it's now a 6 - 9 month process for removing the layers of paint & restoring the original artwork underneath. You obv have no idea of just what's involved mate! It's well into 6 figures what this'll cost fully restored...it was nearly 20k for designing the frame, the steels, fabrication, ground works, welding etc etc then lifting & transportation! As for rather having the print...there isn't 1 of this mate, it's unique & iconic! You've probably spent more on removal than it will be worth, let alone restoration. |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 29, 2017 2:49:18 GMT 1, Can we see some evidence of this having been done before?
Can we see some evidence of this having been done before?
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by iamzero on Apr 29, 2017 12:49:13 GMT 1, Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends.
Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends.
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 29, 2017 13:07:33 GMT 1, Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends.
The post was put on as I thought members would be interested in it & could hopefully follow its progression through its restoration etc
Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends. Corporate wankers?? Nothing corporate here lad!! We're normal people, not that I have to justify ourselves, who enjoy art...we have a number of Banksy's, Hirst's, Micallef's, Brainwash's etc & thoroughly enjoy them thanks. An opportunity to get this came up & it was taken...it'll be restored, enjoyed & done whatever we want with seen as it's our money which is doing this. If, at some point in the future, it's sold for "a huge profit" then that's our good fortune for taking a massive risk on this. The post was put on as I thought members would be interested in it & could hopefully follow its progression through its restoration etc |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Rubys on Apr 29, 2017 13:59:10 GMT 1, Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be
Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 29, 2017 14:40:12 GMT 1, Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be
Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed! |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 29, 2017 15:15:50 GMT 1, Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends.
But if it would be cheaper to have banksy paint a new one how is he going to make a huge profit?
Is the goal here to sell?
Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends. But if it would be cheaper to have banksy paint a new one how is he going to make a huge profit? Is the goal here to sell? |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by tartarus on Apr 29, 2017 15:17:58 GMT 1, Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed!
better off gone than in your hands!
Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed! Its been destroyed. There will be nothing real about it by the time you are done. better off gone than in your hands! |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by milo99 on Apr 29, 2017 15:25:43 GMT 1, Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed!
It had already been covered over 😊
Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed! It had already been covered over 😊 |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by milo99 on Apr 29, 2017 15:27:42 GMT 1, Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends. But if it would be cheaper to have banksy paint a new one how is he going to make a huge profit? Is the goal here to sell?
How would you get banksy to repaint it?
Am I the only one thinking it would've been cheaper to get Banksy to paint a new one... I'm all for saving Banksy work but this just stinks of corporate wankers pretending to care about conservation and art to make a huge profit. I make no apologies if that offends. But if it would be cheaper to have banksy paint a new one how is he going to make a huge profit? Is the goal here to sell? How would you get banksy to repaint it? |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 29, 2017 15:31:57 GMT 1, But if it would be cheaper to have banksy paint a new one how is he going to make a huge profit? Is the goal here to sell? How would you get banksy to repaint it?
I'm sure he'd do it for some VIP for enough money.
But if it would be cheaper to have banksy paint a new one how is he going to make a huge profit? Is the goal here to sell? How would you get banksy to repaint it? I'm sure he'd do it for some VIP for enough money. |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 29, 2017 16:29:45 GMT 1, Well it's up, removed & being restored. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions on it, positive or negative...it'll always divide opinion, that's life. I'll post updates as & when!!
Well it's up, removed & being restored. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions on it, positive or negative...it'll always divide opinion, that's life. I'll post updates as & when!!
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by sleazus1slord on Apr 29, 2017 17:18:42 GMT 1, If they could remove multi layers of buff and spray paint, why couldn't they clean the omar diss off the bandaged heart balloon? This is a fools errand if I've ever seen one. Why don't you try to create something original of your own, instead of this obsessively parasitic money grab disguised as 'preservation'? You couldn't be further from the artists intention for the work.
If they could remove multi layers of buff and spray paint, why couldn't they clean the omar diss off the bandaged heart balloon? This is a fools errand if I've ever seen one. Why don't you try to create something original of your own, instead of this obsessively parasitic money grab disguised as 'preservation'? You couldn't be further from the artists intention for the work.
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 29, 2017 17:58:32 GMT 1, If they could remove multi layers of buff and spray paint, why couldn't they clean the omar diss off the bandaged heart balloon? This is a fools errand if I've ever seen one. Why don't you try to create something original of your own, instead of this obsessively parasitic money grab disguised as 'preservation'? You couldn't be further from the artists intention for the work.
How is it a money grab?
One he's likely spending a bunch to try and restore it.
Two you just said it's basically impossible.
Seems more like burning money then grabbing. Lol
If they could remove multi layers of buff and spray paint, why couldn't they clean the omar diss off the bandaged heart balloon? This is a fools errand if I've ever seen one. Why don't you try to create something original of your own, instead of this obsessively parasitic money grab disguised as 'preservation'? You couldn't be further from the artists intention for the work. How is it a money grab? One he's likely spending a bunch to try and restore it. Two you just said it's basically impossible. Seems more like burning money then grabbing. Lol |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by ed on Apr 29, 2017 19:28:55 GMT 1, I liked what Ben Eine said about removing street pieces during the panel discussion at the 'saving banksy' thing in Bristol the other week.
I've put it in my own words to avoid many many ****'s
Make a list of all the insults you know, and direct them at people who remove street pieces and then spit on them.
BUUUTTTTT
If some of his street pieces had been lifted and preserved and were still being looked at in 50/100 years time he'd be quite happy.
BUTTTT isn't it all about context and positioning and how do you do that in a gallery, more swear words
BUTTT
As long as you do it for the art and for them to be seen by the masses, not to turn a profit, isn't that ok?
It was a well considered, balenced discussion with himself
I liked what Ben Eine said about removing street pieces during the panel discussion at the 'saving banksy' thing in Bristol the other week.
I've put it in my own words to avoid many many ****'s
Make a list of all the insults you know, and direct them at people who remove street pieces and then spit on them.
BUUUTTTTT
If some of his street pieces had been lifted and preserved and were still being looked at in 50/100 years time he'd be quite happy.
BUTTTT isn't it all about context and positioning and how do you do that in a gallery, more swear words
BUTTT
As long as you do it for the art and for them to be seen by the masses, not to turn a profit, isn't that ok?
It was a well considered, balenced discussion with himself
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by medichead on Apr 29, 2017 21:02:10 GMT 1, I agree with lots of what edholder/beneine are saying.
In this case the piece was buried and lost to society. With this selfless act of preservation, we may uncover it again. I can't really argue against this since no one has been robbed of the piece in the first instance, but I would take issue if this then becomes a seven figure work of art being auctioned off - as people have stated here: in the act of preservation this will mostly be repainted, and to call it a Banksy for financial gain seems wrong. Let's hope that's not what this is about, in which case I am in favour of this expensive experiment!
I agree with lots of what edholder/beneine are saying.
In this case the piece was buried and lost to society. With this selfless act of preservation, we may uncover it again. I can't really argue against this since no one has been robbed of the piece in the first instance, but I would take issue if this then becomes a seven figure work of art being auctioned off - as people have stated here: in the act of preservation this will mostly be repainted, and to call it a Banksy for financial gain seems wrong. Let's hope that's not what this is about, in which case I am in favour of this expensive experiment!
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by lha on Apr 29, 2017 22:21:15 GMT 1, The piece in all its glory in May last year when I was down there. No need for any restoration, the current work on the wall was painted by Banksy...
The piece in all its glory in May last year when I was down there. No need for any restoration, the current work on the wall was painted by Banksy... |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Rubys on Apr 30, 2017 1:00:35 GMT 1, Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed!
Restoring street pieces is the worst. People just need to leave them be Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed! ITS ALREADY DESTROYED... |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by mfly on Apr 30, 2017 19:59:05 GMT 1, Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed! ITS ALREADY DESTROYED...
Each to their own opinion but the site was being levelled for housing so this would've been destroyed! ITS ALREADY DESTROYED... That's a matter of opinion mate...in our opinion, & lots of others judging by the large number of pm's I've had, it isn't! |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:07:52 GMT 1, The image of the copper frisking the girl is very true to life.
A few years ago at a primary school in France, the gendarmes lined up the children against a wall and frisked them without their parents permission according to a local newspaper report. Something to do with searching for drugs and how society has changed.
It would be good to know the technique used to remove the layer of paint from this stencil jobby.
I agree that if the building was going to be pulled down anyway, plus that the artwork has been painted over that if some brave person wants to remove the wall in order to remove the overpaint. I see no harm in it.
I don't see the removal of the over paint as being easy if the artwork has been sprayed on top of a similar paint on the wall itself to begin with.
I guess the restorer/s will make a plan or large line drawing of the artwork as close as possible to the original in order to be able to start the removal of the overpaint from the dark black heavy painted areas parts of the artwork to begin with and see how it goes. Anything is possible depending on which type of paint was used to over paint he artwork and the stability of the paint underneath.
Can you post some pics as the restoration progresses.
The image of the copper frisking the girl is very true to life.
A few years ago at a primary school in France, the gendarmes lined up the children against a wall and frisked them without their parents permission according to a local newspaper report. Something to do with searching for drugs and how society has changed.
It would be good to know the technique used to remove the layer of paint from this stencil jobby.
I agree that if the building was going to be pulled down anyway, plus that the artwork has been painted over that if some brave person wants to remove the wall in order to remove the overpaint. I see no harm in it.
I don't see the removal of the over paint as being easy if the artwork has been sprayed on top of a similar paint on the wall itself to begin with.
I guess the restorer/s will make a plan or large line drawing of the artwork as close as possible to the original in order to be able to start the removal of the overpaint from the dark black heavy painted areas parts of the artwork to begin with and see how it goes. Anything is possible depending on which type of paint was used to over paint he artwork and the stability of the paint underneath.
Can you post some pics as the restoration progresses.
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by 'bric on Jun 9, 2017 1:11:23 GMT 1, No shortage of conversation about this print over that last few months. Thanks for all the PMs
Now fixed at £35k
No shortage of conversation about this print over that last few months. Thanks for all the PMs
Now fixed at £35k
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by gravity1 on Jun 9, 2017 3:17:11 GMT 1, No shortage of conversation about this print over that last few months. Thanks for all the PMs Now fixed at £35k
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24205/lot/117/
No shortage of conversation about this print over that last few months. Thanks for all the PMs Now fixed at £35k One of my favorites. There's one coming up at Bonham's on the 27th along with a few other gems. Might serve you to wait after the result to reinforce your asking or possibly make it look like a deal. GWB should be quite interesting as well. www.bonhams.com/auctions/24205/lot/117/ |
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by sharky on Jun 9, 2017 7:56:37 GMT 1, On 21 March 2017 this sold at Forumauction for around £40k including premium and ARR...so the request is in the range of its current market value in my humble opinion
On 21 March 2017 this sold at Forumauction for around £40k including premium and ARR...so the request is in the range of its current market value in my humble opinion
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Banksy Stop and Search Print, by pr.yu on Jun 9, 2017 11:25:36 GMT 1, Bonham's has high estimate at £20K later this month. I know likely to go over, but double? Is there some condition issue with the Bonham's print?
Bonham's has high estimate at £20K later this month. I know likely to go over, but double? Is there some condition issue with the Bonham's print?
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