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Faile boxes back on Laz, by afroken on Mar 1, 2008 20:51:56 GMT 1, newcastle.lazinc.com/artists/faile/original-art/902/
And double the price. Isn't this all a little bit odd given that they were withdrawn from sale just before Sotheby's?
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by manchestermike on Mar 1, 2008 20:58:24 GMT 1, Hmmm... I was told the other day when I enquired that they had sold out of them
Not impressed
Hmmm... I was told the other day when I enquired that they had sold out of them
Not impressed
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by afroken on Mar 1, 2008 21:02:03 GMT 1, I wouldn't be suspicious if the boxes at Sothebys hadn't sold for such a disproportionate price compared to the amazing canvas that sold.
I really hope I'm wrong. Price fixing can really screw the artists in the long run.
I wouldn't be suspicious if the boxes at Sothebys hadn't sold for such a disproportionate price compared to the amazing canvas that sold.
I really hope I'm wrong. Price fixing can really screw the artists in the long run.
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by darjeeling on Mar 1, 2008 21:17:30 GMT 1, I've bought from well over a dozen extremely high end galleries in NY and elsewhere in my life and I've never witnessed any other gallery be so opportunistic, manipulative and profit driven. I have enquired about buying Failess from Laz previously and this was my sense and now total confirmation. You have plenty of other avenues to buy works from artists that they show, including auction houses if need be, I would highly recommend avoiding laz at all costs.
I've bought from well over a dozen extremely high end galleries in NY and elsewhere in my life and I've never witnessed any other gallery be so opportunistic, manipulative and profit driven. I have enquired about buying Failess from Laz previously and this was my sense and now total confirmation. You have plenty of other avenues to buy works from artists that they show, including auction houses if need be, I would highly recommend avoiding laz at all costs.
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by top on Mar 1, 2008 21:19:41 GMT 1, ..why do galleries forget that genuine buyers have memories..
..piss take of the highest order 
..why do galleries forget that genuine buyers have memories.. ..piss take of the highest order |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by top on Mar 1, 2008 21:21:25 GMT 1, ..for a few dollars more..
and some..
..for a few dollars more..
and some..
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by guest2 on Mar 1, 2008 21:28:05 GMT 1, I've bought from well over a dozen extremely high end galleries in NY and elsewhere in my life and I've never witnessed any other gallery be so opportunistic, manipulative and profit driven. I have enquired about buying Failess from Laz previously and this was my sense and now total confirmation. You have plenty of other avenues to buy works from artists that they show, including auction houses if need be, I would highly recommend avoiding laz at all costs.
I'm not Laz's greatest fan but A) it's alot to do with laz that Failes work reaches such high prices in the 1st place and B) the boxes are still under the last achieved auction price and they are large ones.
I've bought from well over a dozen extremely high end galleries in NY and elsewhere in my life and I've never witnessed any other gallery be so opportunistic, manipulative and profit driven. I have enquired about buying Failess from Laz previously and this was my sense and now total confirmation. You have plenty of other avenues to buy works from artists that they show, including auction houses if need be, I would highly recommend avoiding laz at all costs. I'm not Laz's greatest fan but A) it's alot to do with laz that Failes work reaches such high prices in the 1st place and B) the boxes are still under the last achieved auction price and they are large ones. |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by guest2 on Mar 1, 2008 21:33:28 GMT 1, ..why do galleries forget that genuine buyers have memories.. ..piss take of the highest order
The thing is tops, there seems to be sooooo many more 'genuine' buyers after the auction results. Those boxes at lazinc should have been snapped up a while back IMO. I thought they were not just good value but cheap. And they were available for some time.
If any forum members are selling boxes at the pre auction price do get in touch!
..why do galleries forget that genuine buyers have memories.. ..piss take of the highest order The thing is tops, there seems to be sooooo many more 'genuine' buyers after the auction results. Those boxes at lazinc should have been snapped up a while back IMO. I thought they were not just good value but cheap. And they were available for some time. If any forum members are selling boxes at the pre auction price do get in touch! |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by darjeeling on Mar 1, 2008 21:45:12 GMT 1, I've bought from well over a dozen extremely high end galleries in NY and elsewhere in my life and I've never witnessed any other gallery be so opportunistic, manipulative and profit driven. I have enquired about buying Failess from Laz previously and this was my sense and now total confirmation. You have plenty of other avenues to buy works from artists that they show, including auction houses if need be, I would highly recommend avoiding laz at all costs. I'm not Laz's greatest fan but A) it's alot to do with laz that Failes work reaches such high prices in the 1st place and B) the boxes are still under the last achieved auction price and they are large ones.
A) This thing is beyond Laz's control, everything is riding the Banksy phenomenon right now which fine they had part to do with but I've NEVER seen any respectable gallery be so manipulative and opportunistic like they are at Laz. Even Gagosian was much nicer, negotiable, and better t work with than to try and deal with Lazarides.
B) These are priced to match auction house prices considering they don't have to pay auction fees and are now 4X the price they were asking for them about 8-10 months ago.
I've bought from well over a dozen extremely high end galleries in NY and elsewhere in my life and I've never witnessed any other gallery be so opportunistic, manipulative and profit driven. I have enquired about buying Failess from Laz previously and this was my sense and now total confirmation. You have plenty of other avenues to buy works from artists that they show, including auction houses if need be, I would highly recommend avoiding laz at all costs. I'm not Laz's greatest fan but A) it's alot to do with laz that Failes work reaches such high prices in the 1st place and B) the boxes are still under the last achieved auction price and they are large ones. A) This thing is beyond Laz's control, everything is riding the Banksy phenomenon right now which fine they had part to do with but I've NEVER seen any respectable gallery be so manipulative and opportunistic like they are at Laz. Even Gagosian was much nicer, negotiable, and better t work with than to try and deal with Lazarides. B) These are priced to match auction house prices considering they don't have to pay auction fees and are now 4X the price they were asking for them about 8-10 months ago. |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by onemandown72 on Mar 1, 2008 21:52:22 GMT 1, Totally agree, funny that there are negative comments after an auction where the price is driven up.
It makes perfect sense to withdraw any artist from sale that is up for auction, especially if you are the agent for said artist. Basic business to then look at adjusting the price either up or down in reflection of the results.
And I also fail to see why all above have such an issue with this - what have Laz done that is so wrong, prevented indivuals from buying faile under market value, or actually represented their clients, the artist correctly, and moved prices in line with the market. What do all above expect, the next time faile exhibit n the UK Laz to sell the work well under market value? If you apply common sense to what Laz have dine this makes absolute sense
Totally agree, funny that there are negative comments after an auction where the price is driven up.
It makes perfect sense to withdraw any artist from sale that is up for auction, especially if you are the agent for said artist. Basic business to then look at adjusting the price either up or down in reflection of the results.
And I also fail to see why all above have such an issue with this - what have Laz done that is so wrong, prevented indivuals from buying faile under market value, or actually represented their clients, the artist correctly, and moved prices in line with the market. What do all above expect, the next time faile exhibit n the UK Laz to sell the work well under market value? If you apply common sense to what Laz have dine this makes absolute sense
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by guest2 on Mar 1, 2008 22:06:42 GMT 1, Totally agree, funny that there are negative comments after an auction where the price is driven up. It makes perfect sense to withdraw any artist from sale that is up for auction, especially if you are the agent for said artist. Basic business to then look at adjusting the price either up or down in reflection of the results. And I also fail to see why all above have such an issue with this - what have Laz done that is so wrong, prevented indivuals from buying faile under market value, or actually represented their clients, the artist correctly, and moved prices in line with the market. What do all above expect, the next time faile exhibit n the UK Laz to sell the work well under market value? If you apply common sense to what Laz have dine this makes absolute sense
I agree and people seem to only want to purchase after auction results. As said before, the boxes were available for some time at Lazerides for anyone to grab a bargain.
Same thing with Nick Walker, all of a sudden everyone pissed off they didn't get a nick walker print from BRP yet he's had editions on his site that were unsold for ages! All gone now of course 
My advice is to be a pioneer and if you like an artist, buy now because you like the piece and want it on your wall. If it goes through the roof price wise at a later date then feel smug that the work you purchased because you liked it quadrupled over night. It's a compliment to your good taste
Totally agree, funny that there are negative comments after an auction where the price is driven up. It makes perfect sense to withdraw any artist from sale that is up for auction, especially if you are the agent for said artist. Basic business to then look at adjusting the price either up or down in reflection of the results. And I also fail to see why all above have such an issue with this - what have Laz done that is so wrong, prevented indivuals from buying faile under market value, or actually represented their clients, the artist correctly, and moved prices in line with the market. What do all above expect, the next time faile exhibit n the UK Laz to sell the work well under market value? If you apply common sense to what Laz have dine this makes absolute sense I agree and people seem to only want to purchase after auction results. As said before, the boxes were available for some time at Lazerides for anyone to grab a bargain. Same thing with Nick Walker, all of a sudden everyone pissed off they didn't get a nick walker print from BRP yet he's had editions on his site that were unsold for ages! All gone now of course My advice is to be a pioneer and if you like an artist, buy now because you like the piece and want it on your wall. If it goes through the roof price wise at a later date then feel smug that the work you purchased because you liked it quadrupled over night. It's a compliment to your good taste |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by darjeeling on Mar 1, 2008 22:22:27 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me.
I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase.
Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind.
But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing?
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me.
I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase.
Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind.
But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing?
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by guest2 on Mar 1, 2008 22:34:35 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the colector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction. And if you can't see how plainly obvious Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind.
I don't mean to defend Lazinc and probably won't make a habit of it but they ARe selling under the highest auction price. A thin box just sold for 13.5k at sothebys, they are selling the large ones for under 12k. Large boxes before were approx 5k plus vat and small boxes 2.5k plus vat if i remember correctly. And i can't stress that if no collector bought them at the old price after being on their site for weeks then thats their fault. If Laz kept them at the pre auction price then they would probably have been bought within 10 mins by someone who normally sells tickets for the sound of music and on ebay now at 12k or best offer!
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the colector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction. And if you can't see how plainly obvious Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. I don't mean to defend Lazinc and probably won't make a habit of it but they ARe selling under the highest auction price. A thin box just sold for 13.5k at sothebys, they are selling the large ones for under 12k. Large boxes before were approx 5k plus vat and small boxes 2.5k plus vat if i remember correctly. And i can't stress that if no collector bought them at the old price after being on their site for weeks then thats their fault. If Laz kept them at the pre auction price then they would probably have been bought within 10 mins by someone who normally sells tickets for the sound of music and on ebay now at 12k or best offer! |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by Metard on Mar 1, 2008 22:35:17 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing?
Agree
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Agree |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by top on Mar 1, 2008 22:39:43 GMT 1, Maybe forum members ought to 'pool' their art and create an online gallery where we can dictate what prices we'd like to get for them, put sales on hold come release or auction, and bump the prices up respectively..
..I do agree that for business purposes, it all makes sense..maybe money is better than art in their eyes..I will never purchase from LAZ ever.
Greedy cunt..
Maybe forum members ought to 'pool' their art and create an online gallery where we can dictate what prices we'd like to get for them, put sales on hold come release or auction, and bump the prices up respectively.. ..I do agree that for business purposes, it all makes sense..maybe money is better than art in their eyes..I will never purchase from LAZ ever. Greedy cunt.. |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by guest2 on Mar 1, 2008 22:55:10 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing?
Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value?
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value? |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by Cocteau 101 on Mar 1, 2008 22:58:33 GMT 1, Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by top on Mar 1, 2008 23:01:09 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value?
..noticed the edit too Frankie, I hope this is going to be dealt with amicably.
Darjeeling, please answer the question.
Respect to all 
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value? ..noticed the edit too Frankie, I hope this is going to be dealt with amicably. Darjeeling, please answer the question. Respect to all |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by guest2 on Mar 1, 2008 23:07:10 GMT 1, Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing my man. When you coming down south to a show??? Neate maybe?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing my man. When you coming down south to a show??? Neate maybe? |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by manchestermike on Mar 1, 2008 23:11:59 GMT 1, Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing my man. When you coming down south to a show??? Neate maybe?
I'll be there for that one! ;D
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hindsight is a wonderful thing my man. When you coming down south to a show??? Neate maybe? I'll be there for that one! ;D |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by top on Mar 1, 2008 23:17:09 GMT 1, Hindsight is a wonderful thing my man. When you coming down south to a show??? Neate maybe? I'll be there for that one! ;D
Dates please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where? ?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing my man. When you coming down south to a show??? Neate maybe? I'll be there for that one! ;D Dates please!!!!!!!!!!!! Where? ? |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by manchestermike on Mar 1, 2008 23:19:08 GMT 1, THE ADAM AND RON SHOW
May 2ndโ 31st 2008
Tuesday - Saturday 12 - 6pm, Thursdays 'til 9pm
featuring new work by the UK's rapidly rising star, ADAM NEATE, and the billboard-hijacking, pop surrealist superhero of the genre; US legend, RON ENGLISH
THE ADAM AND RON SHOW
May 2ndโ 31st 2008
Tuesday - Saturday 12 - 6pm, Thursdays 'til 9pm
featuring new work by the UK's rapidly rising star, ADAM NEATE, and the billboard-hijacking, pop surrealist superhero of the genre; US legend, RON ENGLISH
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by Deleted on Mar 1, 2008 23:25:33 GMT 1, THE ADAM AND RON SHOW May 2ndโ 31st 2008 Tuesday - Saturday 12 - 6pm, Thursdays 'til 9pm featuring new work by the UK's rapidly rising star, ADAM NEATE, and the billboard-hijacking, pop surrealist superhero of the genre; US legend, RON ENGLISH
has anyone had an invite to the show?, i have emailed and had no reply. would love to be there on opening night.
THE ADAM AND RON SHOW May 2ndโ 31st 2008 Tuesday - Saturday 12 - 6pm, Thursdays 'til 9pm featuring new work by the UK's rapidly rising star, ADAM NEATE, and the billboard-hijacking, pop surrealist superhero of the genre; US legend, RON ENGLISH has anyone had an invite to the show?, i have emailed and had no reply. would love to be there on opening night. |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by manchestermike on Mar 1, 2008 23:26:18 GMT 1, THE ADAM AND RON SHOW May 2ndโ 31st 2008 Tuesday - Saturday 12 - 6pm, Thursdays 'til 9pm featuring new work by the UK's rapidly rising star, ADAM NEATE, and the billboard-hijacking, pop surrealist superhero of the genre; US legend, RON ENGLISH has anyone had an invite to the show?, i have emailed and had no reply. would love to be there on opening night.
They won't be sent out for a while, and invites will be like gold dust!
THE ADAM AND RON SHOW May 2ndโ 31st 2008 Tuesday - Saturday 12 - 6pm, Thursdays 'til 9pm featuring new work by the UK's rapidly rising star, ADAM NEATE, and the billboard-hijacking, pop surrealist superhero of the genre; US legend, RON ENGLISH has anyone had an invite to the show?, i have emailed and had no reply. would love to be there on opening night. They won't be sent out for a while, and invites will be like gold dust! |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by top on Mar 1, 2008 23:41:47 GMT 1,
Ooops silly me 
ta Frankie, am already on their mailing list, but have yet to purchase from them, so don't expect a golden ticket!!
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Ooops silly me ta Frankie, am already on their mailing list, but have yet to purchase from them, so don't expect a golden ticket!! ;D |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by manty on Mar 1, 2008 23:50:37 GMT 1, I am looking forward to this, he just outshines the other artists by mile IMHO :-)
I am looking forward to this, he just outshines the other artists by mile IMHO :-)
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by la on Mar 2, 2008 0:33:36 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value?
I agree with Frankie on this one. Why would you sell something below market value. Supply and demand dictate prices
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value? I agree with Frankie on this one. Why would you sell something below market value. Supply and demand dictate prices |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by aginghippie on Mar 2, 2008 1:05:08 GMT 1, Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value? I agree with Frankie on this one. Why would you sell something below market value. Supply and demand dictate prices
Primary galleries routine sell their artists work below the secondary market price. Part of the role of a primary gallery is to place the work with buyers who will hold the work, be they museums or private collectors. In exchange for a good price the buyer is expected not to sell for a period, and if they sell then to give the gallery first refusal so they can place it with someone else. After a couple of years all bets are off and you can sell anywhere.
Laz doesn't *seem* to be behaving like a primary gallery should but it is difficult to tell. I emphasis seem because nobody knows what work actually passes through his hands and how he disposes of it. However if he is the primary gallery for Faile (and I'm not sure he is) then I agree with Darjeeling and Laz should be placing those pieces to build Failes's reputation. If he is just a secondary then he can do what he likes.
Sorry darjeeling I responded before you modified your post and added the last comment. Have you ever sold anything before? If so, how do you price things? Or do you just sell them at the same price you bought them for even if it did go up in value? I agree with Frankie on this one. Why would you sell something below market value. Supply and demand dictate prices Primary galleries routine sell their artists work below the secondary market price. Part of the role of a primary gallery is to place the work with buyers who will hold the work, be they museums or private collectors. In exchange for a good price the buyer is expected not to sell for a period, and if they sell then to give the gallery first refusal so they can place it with someone else. After a couple of years all bets are off and you can sell anywhere. Laz doesn't *seem* to be behaving like a primary gallery should but it is difficult to tell. I emphasis seem because nobody knows what work actually passes through his hands and how he disposes of it. However if he is the primary gallery for Faile (and I'm not sure he is) then I agree with Darjeeling and Laz should be placing those pieces to build Failes's reputation. If he is just a secondary then he can do what he likes. |
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Faile boxes back on Laz, by dkla on Mar 2, 2008 5:26:24 GMT 1, Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing?
Dead-on. Any serious art collector knows this to be true of serious art galleries. This kind of behavior we're witnessing now is all about trying to capitalize on a fad before the fuel runs out. It focussed on the short term, rather than the long term. Ok behavior for individuals I suppose, but a risky business move. The quick buck vs. the longer-term relationship. We'll see who wins in the end.
Seriously folks, how many galleries withdraw their artists work from sale and then the next day price it to match the results? How many serious bona fide galleries representing top tiered artists do this? Let me tell you not may respected galleries do this. Because most respected galleries understand market fluctuation as well. I can give you many examples such as artists whose work sold for $20k at one auction and similar piece sold for 5k months later. How many galleries price their artists work up or down every other week to match auction results? You have to be kidding me. I can give you examples as well of galleries that sell photos or paintings for an artist and priced under their highest auction price. Why? Because galleries for one thing want to keep their collectors happy and they also know they're going to be losing sales and sitting on overpriced inventory isn't good for them or the artist or the collector. Most galleries set a prices for an artists work based on size and medium. Obviously prices will increase to reflect increased demand, often they will warn their clientele of an impending price increase. Only the lowest of "dealers" change their prices everyday to cash in on auction frenzy. And if you can't see how plainly obvious it is that Lazarides is being opportunistic and greedy then your blind. But what else would you expect from Frankie who does the same thing? Dead-on. Any serious art collector knows this to be true of serious art galleries. This kind of behavior we're witnessing now is all about trying to capitalize on a fad before the fuel runs out. It focussed on the short term, rather than the long term. Ok behavior for individuals I suppose, but a risky business move. The quick buck vs. the longer-term relationship. We'll see who wins in the end. |
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