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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by foundation on Oct 13, 2006 19:40:42 GMT 1, no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc.
The a/Ps Laz was selling of Have a nice day and Bomb middle england were the same as the originals, the obey A/Ps are the same as the originals, just marked up as a/p rather than numbered to replace the ones removed from the official run to be retained by the artist ( usually 1-20 of the run.
The eelus prints were excess from the run, once the main signed run had sold, the unsigned ones became available as these were kept separate to replace damaged stock etc, exixting outwith the original print run but supplied and aproved by the artist, justifies them as A/Ps in my book ( none of which can be claimed by the backdoor banksy prints they were compared to earlier)
no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc.
The a/Ps Laz was selling of Have a nice day and Bomb middle england were the same as the originals, the obey A/Ps are the same as the originals, just marked up as a/p rather than numbered to replace the ones removed from the official run to be retained by the artist ( usually 1-20 of the run.
The eelus prints were excess from the run, once the main signed run had sold, the unsigned ones became available as these were kept separate to replace damaged stock etc, exixting outwith the original print run but supplied and aproved by the artist, justifies them as A/Ps in my book ( none of which can be claimed by the backdoor banksy prints they were compared to earlier)
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by mido on Oct 13, 2006 20:05:27 GMT 1,
I don't think anyone is suggesting they are 'back door' prints (there were sold direct by eelus)
the fact is simple - they were sold at exactly the same time as the blue signed run was also available. they really were! They were not only available after the signed run had sold out.
anyway, I'm selling one (the first print I've ever sold) and I'm
not describing it as an AP as I believe that is misleading. I will probably get less for it by NOT describing it an an AP, but that's something I'll happily live with.
no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc. The a/Ps Laz was selling of Have a nice day and Bomb middle england were the same as the originals, the obey A/Ps are the same as the originals, just marked up as a/p rather than numbered to replace the ones removed from the official run to be retained by the artist ( usually 1-20 of the run. The eelus prints were excess from the run, once the main signed run had sold, the unsigned ones became available as these were kept separate to replace damaged stock etc, exixting outwith the original print run but supplied and aproved by the artist, justifies them as A/Ps in my book ( none of which can be claimed by the backdoor banksy prints they were compared to earlier)
I don't think anyone is suggesting they are 'back door' prints (there were sold direct by eelus) the fact is simple - they were sold at exactly the same time as the blue signed run was also available. they really were! They were not only available after the signed run had sold out. anyway, I'm selling one (the first print I've ever sold) and I'm not describing it as an AP as I believe that is misleading. I will probably get less for it by NOT describing it an an AP, but that's something I'll happily live with. no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc. The a/Ps Laz was selling of Have a nice day and Bomb middle england were the same as the originals, the obey A/Ps are the same as the originals, just marked up as a/p rather than numbered to replace the ones removed from the official run to be retained by the artist ( usually 1-20 of the run. The eelus prints were excess from the run, once the main signed run had sold, the unsigned ones became available as these were kept separate to replace damaged stock etc, exixting outwith the original print run but supplied and aproved by the artist, justifies them as A/Ps in my book ( none of which can be claimed by the backdoor banksy prints they were compared to earlier) |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by numusic on Oct 13, 2006 20:22:01 GMT 1, no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc. The a/Ps Laz was selling of Have a nice day and Bomb middle england were the same as the originals, the obey A/Ps are the same as the originals, just marked up as a/p rather than numbered to replace the ones removed from the official run to be retained by the artist ( usually 1-20 of the run. The eelus prints were excess from the run, once the main signed run had sold, the unsigned ones became available as these were kept separate to replace damaged stock etc, exixting outwith the original print run but supplied and aproved by the artist, justifies them as A/Ps in my book ( none of which can be claimed by the backdoor banksy prints they were compared to earlier)
I see your point, but quite a few of the unnumbered Banksy's have come with a story that's something other than the backdoor route. Ie : Banksy gave it to me etc etc.. makes em the same as my eelus. But who's gonna believe it in 5 years when his ID is secret, you don't know him anymore, and he's got a bigshot agent and PR company protecting his brand and you haven't kept you receipt or emails cos they only cost 30 quid ?
no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc. The a/Ps Laz was selling of Have a nice day and Bomb middle england were the same as the originals, the obey A/Ps are the same as the originals, just marked up as a/p rather than numbered to replace the ones removed from the official run to be retained by the artist ( usually 1-20 of the run. The eelus prints were excess from the run, once the main signed run had sold, the unsigned ones became available as these were kept separate to replace damaged stock etc, exixting outwith the original print run but supplied and aproved by the artist, justifies them as A/Ps in my book ( none of which can be claimed by the backdoor banksy prints they were compared to earlier) I see your point, but quite a few of the unnumbered Banksy's have come with a story that's something other than the backdoor route. Ie : Banksy gave it to me etc etc.. makes em the same as my eelus. But who's gonna believe it in 5 years when his ID is secret, you don't know him anymore, and he's got a bigshot agent and PR company protecting his brand and you haven't kept you receipt or emails cos they only cost 30 quid ? |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by foundation on Oct 13, 2006 20:53:45 GMT 1, I have both receipts and emails from the man ( just in case), good luck with the sale martin, the first one is the hardest aparently, but A/P or not it'll sell well, as they are very nice prints. Nu the stories that come with the backdoor prints are unverifiable, and Banksy must have been giving a shed load of prints away back in the day, but there are enough people with verifiable proof with these shat-at prints to render them as incomparable examples, as has already been discussed.
I have both receipts and emails from the man ( just in case), good luck with the sale martin, the first one is the hardest aparently, but A/P or not it'll sell well, as they are very nice prints. Nu the stories that come with the backdoor prints are unverifiable, and Banksy must have been giving a shed load of prints away back in the day, but there are enough people with verifiable proof with these shat-at prints to render them as incomparable examples, as has already been discussed.
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by mose on Oct 13, 2006 21:00:29 GMT 1, no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc.
i agree with you in theory, and that is what an AP(and the PP variation as well) SHOULD be....
but, it just really isn't what is used in practice these days by many contemporary artists.....
no, an artists proof is exactly that - a ronseal product really. something the artist uses to check that everything is ok, or to try out different colours ideas etc. i agree with you in theory, and that is what an AP(and the PP variation as well) SHOULD be.... but, it just really isn't what is used in practice these days by many contemporary artists..... |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by numusic on Oct 13, 2006 21:04:11 GMT 1, I have both receipts and emails from the man ( just in case), good luck with the sale martin, the first one is the hardest aparently, but A/P or not it'll sell well, as they are very nice prints. Nu the stories that come with the backdoor prints are unverifiable, and Banksy must have been giving a shed load of prints away back in the day, but there are enough people with verifiable proof with these shat-at prints to render them as incomparable examples, as has already been discussed.
oh, don't get me wrong, I agree.. just looking for a one size fits all theory  , can't have it for one set of prints and not the other.. laz seems to have invented his own set of guidelines for his.
I have both receipts and emails from the man ( just in case), good luck with the sale martin, the first one is the hardest aparently, but A/P or not it'll sell well, as they are very nice prints. Nu the stories that come with the backdoor prints are unverifiable, and Banksy must have been giving a shed load of prints away back in the day, but there are enough people with verifiable proof with these shat-at prints to render them as incomparable examples, as has already been discussed. oh, don't get me wrong, I agree.. just looking for a one size fits all theory , can't have it for one set of prints and not the other.. laz seems to have invented his own set of guidelines for his. |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by foundation on Oct 13, 2006 21:51:36 GMT 1, Not just Laz though as the obey stuff sugests, the traditional A/Ps like the groovy napalms are a fab idea, as it shows a heres what you could have won type of thing, as was discussed here a few weeks back, the whole A/P thing seems to be that extra bit of exclusivity / cost for no added benefit in the Banksy case, and no difference in any way shape or form in the obey case, the traditional role of the A/P aint what it was, seems to be more of a marketing ploy rather than an artistic avenue these days. It'd be nice to have a one size fits all theory, but sadly as different folks do the marketing for different artists, then it'll never happen, as what one artist does, can seldom be compared to another artist ( thats what makes em artists and not burger king employees)
Not just Laz though as the obey stuff sugests, the traditional A/Ps like the groovy napalms are a fab idea, as it shows a heres what you could have won type of thing, as was discussed here a few weeks back, the whole A/P thing seems to be that extra bit of exclusivity / cost for no added benefit in the Banksy case, and no difference in any way shape or form in the obey case, the traditional role of the A/P aint what it was, seems to be more of a marketing ploy rather than an artistic avenue these days. It'd be nice to have a one size fits all theory, but sadly as different folks do the marketing for different artists, then it'll never happen, as what one artist does, can seldom be compared to another artist ( thats what makes em artists and not burger king employees)
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by mido on Oct 13, 2006 23:19:30 GMT 1, yeah, the one thing that people forget is that artists (& musicians etc) are human! they have friends, family, helpers etc and they give things away. it's not always logical. It's not always palnned. it just happens.
I'd hate to think of how many of my photos are out there, in all different states! Not that I can compare myself to banksy, but generally i find that..
1) when you start anything, all sorts of things happen, and it takes a while to get a system going etc. If you become famous I imagine it all changes again...
2) it's great to send / give people stuff ;D
I have both receipts and emails from the man ( just in case), good luck with the sale martin, the first one is the hardest aparently, but A/P or not it'll sell well, as they are very nice prints. Nu the stories that come with the backdoor prints are unverifiable, and Banksy must have been giving a shed load of prints away back in the day, but there are enough people with verifiable proof with these shat-at prints to render them as incomparable examples, as has already been discussed.
yeah, the one thing that people forget is that artists (& musicians etc) are human! they have friends, family, helpers etc and they give things away. it's not always logical. It's not always palnned. it just happens. I'd hate to think of how many of my photos are out there, in all different states! Not that I can compare myself to banksy, but generally i find that.. 1) when you start anything, all sorts of things happen, and it takes a while to get a system going etc. If you become famous I imagine it all changes again... 2) it's great to send / give people stuff ;D I have both receipts and emails from the man ( just in case), good luck with the sale martin, the first one is the hardest aparently, but A/P or not it'll sell well, as they are very nice prints. Nu the stories that come with the backdoor prints are unverifiable, and Banksy must have been giving a shed load of prints away back in the day, but there are enough people with verifiable proof with these shat-at prints to render them as incomparable examples, as has already been discussed. |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by lesroy on Oct 14, 2006 8:37:33 GMT 1, Martin,
Managed to get a Shat-At canvas for ยฃ200  Can't be bad
Did someone say that the Canvas run is now finished? E only did a run of 100 of them I think? but is that 100 of each colour?
Martin, Managed to get a Shat-At canvas for ยฃ200 Can't be bad Did someone say that the Canvas run is now finished? E only did a run of 100 of them I think? but is that 100 of each colour? |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by numusic on Oct 14, 2006 10:13:39 GMT 1, Not just Laz though as the obey stuff sugests, the traditional A/Ps like the groovy napalms are a fab idea, as it shows a heres what you could have won type of thing, as was discussed here a few weeks back, the whole A/P thing seems to be that extra bit of exclusivity / cost for no added benefit in the Banksy case, and no difference in any way shape or form in the obey case, the traditional role of the A/P aint what it was, seems to be more of a marketing ploy rather than an artistic avenue these days. It'd be nice to have a one size fits all theory, but sadly as different folks do the marketing for different artists, then it'll never happen, as what one artist does, can seldom be compared to another artist ( thats what makes em artists and not burger king employees)
It's a jungle out there alright. Seems quite a few new gallery dealers and ebay have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons. However, once you reach a certain level, ie; sign to a reputable gallery or artists agent, then there are a series of hard and fast guidelines about what a P/P or A/P is. This has been in place for decades, if not longer... These recent changes and fly by night 'online dealers' simply make this A/P crap up to shift more 'product'.. 'same but different'. Normally collectors wouldn't touch anything outside of the limited edition unless it was a variation test print. They certainly wouldn't be paying a premium for an AP if it was identical to the official run.
PS :Think you'll find most Burger King employees are unemployed artists
Not just Laz though as the obey stuff sugests, the traditional A/Ps like the groovy napalms are a fab idea, as it shows a heres what you could have won type of thing, as was discussed here a few weeks back, the whole A/P thing seems to be that extra bit of exclusivity / cost for no added benefit in the Banksy case, and no difference in any way shape or form in the obey case, the traditional role of the A/P aint what it was, seems to be more of a marketing ploy rather than an artistic avenue these days. It'd be nice to have a one size fits all theory, but sadly as different folks do the marketing for different artists, then it'll never happen, as what one artist does, can seldom be compared to another artist ( thats what makes em artists and not burger king employees) It's a jungle out there alright. Seems quite a few new gallery dealers and ebay have thrown the cat amongst the pigeons. However, once you reach a certain level, ie; sign to a reputable gallery or artists agent, then there are a series of hard and fast guidelines about what a P/P or A/P is. This has been in place for decades, if not longer... These recent changes and fly by night 'online dealers' simply make this A/P crap up to shift more 'product'.. 'same but different'. Normally collectors wouldn't touch anything outside of the limited edition unless it was a variation test print. They certainly wouldn't be paying a premium for an AP if it was identical to the official run. PS :Think you'll find most Burger King employees are unemployed artists |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by foundation on Oct 14, 2006 10:58:15 GMT 1, Its a shame in a way, as some of the banksy A/Ps, when they were A/Ps that is, were real nice, the psycadelic napalms, the wsm with the different old dude etc etc... I agree about the BK reference too, they spent so much of their life trying to distribute individality, they end up mass producing identical product for our cheap delectation
Its a shame in a way, as some of the banksy A/Ps, when they were A/Ps that is, were real nice, the psycadelic napalms, the wsm with the different old dude etc etc... I agree about the BK reference too, they spent so much of their life trying to distribute individality, they end up mass producing identical product for our cheap delectation
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by semiscottishpete on Oct 15, 2006 22:08:18 GMT 1, Just had a quick look at eelus dot com, creature's sold out.
What do you think the next colour will be?
Just had a quick look at eelus dot com, creature's sold out.
What do you think the next colour will be?
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by numusic on Oct 15, 2006 22:12:51 GMT 1, Just had a quick look at eelus dot com, creature's sold out. What do you think the next colour will be?
ha ha.. guess the ebay effect kicked in , I'm sure you could mail eelus and ask, he's a cool guy and very approachable.
Just had a quick look at eelus dot com, creature's sold out. What do you think the next colour will be? ha ha.. guess the ebay effect kicked in , I'm sure you could mail eelus and ask, he's a cool guy and very approachable. |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by lesroy on Oct 15, 2006 23:14:46 GMT 1, I must have one of the last ones then as I only bought mine on Friday!!
Can't wait to see it in the flesh! I'd like to see the new colour as an Orange or Dark Pink... Also it must nearly be time for the new Shat-at colour to hit POW
I must have one of the last ones then as I only bought mine on Friday!! Can't wait to see it in the flesh! I'd like to see the new colour as an Orange or Dark Pink... Also it must nearly be time for the new Shat-at colour to hit POW |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by mido on Oct 15, 2006 23:38:56 GMT 1, god that was fast! mine wasn't long ago and it was on the 50's....
Just had a quick look at eelus dot com, creature's sold out. What do you think the next colour will be?
god that was fast! mine wasn't long ago and it was on the 50's.... Just had a quick look at eelus dot com, creature's sold out. What do you think the next colour will be? |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by victorwilliams on Oct 16, 2006 14:24:40 GMT 1, brought mine on the 4th oct still havent got it yet, im getting ichy feet. how long did everyone else have to wait for theirs?
brought mine on the 4th oct still havent got it yet, im getting ichy feet. how long did everyone else have to wait for theirs?
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by mido on Oct 16, 2006 15:04:04 GMT 1, e is normally very good at sending stuff within a week.
might just be busy? they have sold out very fast!
better to email him rather than sweat on it, or speculate on here...
brought mine on the 4th oct still havent got it yet, im getting ichy feet. how long did everyone else have to wait for theirs?
e is normally very good at sending stuff within a week. might just be busy? they have sold out very fast! better to email him rather than sweat on it, or speculate on here... brought mine on the 4th oct still havent got it yet, im getting ichy feet. how long did everyone else have to wait for theirs? |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by thetongue on Oct 17, 2006 10:34:00 GMT 1, I wouldn't worry yet Victor, I ordered mine the 4th as well but not got it, guess he's real busy doing the canvasses!!
I wouldn't worry yet Victor, I ordered mine the 4th as well but not got it, guess he's real busy doing the canvasses!! |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by victorwilliams on Oct 17, 2006 11:00:29 GMT 1, yeah im just chilling on it at the mo, would rather give him time to go a good job then keep nagging and get a duffer! 
yeah im just chilling on it at the mo, would rather give him time to go a good job then keep nagging and get a duffer! |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by andrewd on Oct 18, 2006 8:23:59 GMT 1, He is busy as I ordered my canvas on 5th and he said that I was on the waiting list and that he would get back to me in a month or so.
He is busy as I ordered my canvas on 5th and he said that I was on the waiting list and that he would get back to me in a month or so.
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by notitle on Oct 18, 2006 19:43:18 GMT 1, hi guys, i'm a newbie here. sorry to kick off posting with a question, but here goes...
the protien store eelus signed and numbered prints, are they 100% legit, what are they like for service, and how are they different from the POW versions? probably stupid questions, probably already been answered. Sorry if i'm wasting your time!
Cheers
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hi guys, i'm a newbie here. sorry to kick off posting with a question, but here goes...
the protien store eelus signed and numbered prints, are they 100% legit, what are they like for service, and how are they different from the POW versions? probably stupid questions, probably already been answered. Sorry if i'm wasting your time!
Cheers
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by notitle on Oct 18, 2006 19:44:02 GMT 1, just seen, out of stock! 
sorry!
just seen, out of stock! sorry! |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by numusic on Oct 18, 2006 20:44:49 GMT 1, just seen, out of stock! sorry!
Bad luck ! drop him a mail, you never know what he might have lying around.
just seen, out of stock! sorry! Bad luck ! drop him a mail, you never know what he might have lying around. |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by notitle on Oct 19, 2006 1:58:22 GMT 1, Cheers, I'll do that! Either way I'm keeping my eyes peeled for new prints on the site. If I had ยฃ400 lying around I'd just order a canvas, missed the boat with those going for ยฃ200 too!
Cheers, I'll do that! Either way I'm keeping my eyes peeled for new prints on the site. If I had ยฃ400 lying around I'd just order a canvas, missed the boat with those going for ยฃ200 too!
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by urbantreemonkey on Oct 19, 2006 10:07:25 GMT 1, Just got my creature in time! number 92 0f 100, wasnt keen on it at first then decided to get one to complement the shat at and chewbarber on the wall, glad i did it looks SO much better than it does on the website, but dont they always ;D
Just got my creature in time! number 92 0f 100, wasnt keen on it at first then decided to get one to complement the shat at and chewbarber on the wall, glad i did it looks SO much better than it does on the website, but dont they always ;D
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by lesroy on Oct 26, 2006 18:41:34 GMT 1, Hehe me too Urban Monkey... I got number 94
Also, just noticed the Canvasses are now ยฃ400 (makes sense after seeing the price of the prints)!
Hehe me too Urban Monkey... I got number 94 Also, just noticed the Canvasses are now ยฃ400 (makes sense after seeing the price of the prints)! |
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by lesroy on Oct 30, 2006 18:17:50 GMT 1, Looking GREAT there urban!!!!
Look really impressive as a three...! I hope to have my canvas Shat-at soon!!
Looking GREAT there urban!!!!
Look really impressive as a three...! I hope to have my canvas Shat-at soon!!
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Eelus โข Shat-at Print & Canvas, by rillo on Oct 31, 2006 17:20:03 GMT 1, 2 S + N'd on the bay at the moment
120047661310 & 180044442812
2 S + N'd on the bay at the moment
120047661310 & 180044442812
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, can't have it for one set of prints and not the other.. laz seems to have invented his own set of guidelines for his.
Can't be bad 
im sure it will be any day now.
