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DFace • Cli Che Print, by numusic on May 25, 2007 9:49:04 GMT 1, It's amazing to my mind that there are some of those Logan Hicks prints left on BRP. When you compare it to some of the, lets be honest, cr*p that POW have churned out this year which has sold out in minutes it is truly astonishing.
No disrespect pez, but I'm hearing this more and more, and I just have to say that I think it's crap. People on here and elsewhere were happily buying 35 quid Eelus & 50 quid Dface prints just 12 months ago. There's an amount of snobbery sneaking in as peoples tastes through their exposure to "art" a la Micallef, Neate, Baldwin etc becomes more prevelant. All of these artists have risen up on the back of the rougher streetsy lo fi and much cheaper work that POW have been putting out for years.
People may think they are aquiring a more refined and sophisticated approach to art..but IMO, they're just being misled and manipulated by this age old "fine art" nonsense that this type of work initially set out to challange. Agents, managers, gallerists, commercial art sector, media, councils, governements etc all conspiring to defang the threat and relevance that "Street art" has thrown up.
Yopu might not like some of the aesthetics and work that POW and it's artists puts out. But rarely if ever, have they put out any crap. And though we may joke about Zeus, his work and actions are far more relevant than Micallef, Neate and Baldwin put together.
We're not as sophisticated as we maybe like to think we are 
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It's amazing to my mind that there are some of those Logan Hicks prints left on BRP. When you compare it to some of the, lets be honest, cr*p that POW have churned out this year which has sold out in minutes it is truly astonishing. No disrespect pez, but I'm hearing this more and more, and I just have to say that I think it's crap. People on here and elsewhere were happily buying 35 quid Eelus & 50 quid Dface prints just 12 months ago. There's an amount of snobbery sneaking in as peoples tastes through their exposure to "art" a la Micallef, Neate, Baldwin etc becomes more prevelant. All of these artists have risen up on the back of the rougher streetsy lo fi and much cheaper work that POW have been putting out for years. People may think they are aquiring a more refined and sophisticated approach to art..but IMO, they're just being misled and manipulated by this age old "fine art" nonsense that this type of work initially set out to challange. Agents, managers, gallerists, commercial art sector, media, councils, governements etc all conspiring to defang the threat and relevance that "Street art" has thrown up. Yopu might not like some of the aesthetics and work that POW and it's artists puts out. But rarely if ever, have they put out any crap. And though we may joke about Zeus, his work and actions are far more relevant than Micallef, Neate and Baldwin put together. We're not as sophisticated as we maybe like to think we are Discuss |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by pezlow on May 25, 2007 10:00:33 GMT 1, Actually Nu I was thinking in particular of Black Mona - same price as the Logan Hicks print - and some of the Beautiful Losers prints (not all of them) - only £25 cheaper than the Logan Hicks print.
Every print POW has released this year has been at least £100+, most of them over £200. Those insect skulls were £350!!
It's got nothing to do with whether I think of myself as sophisticated or not.
Actually Nu I was thinking in particular of Black Mona - same price as the Logan Hicks print - and some of the Beautiful Losers prints (not all of them) - only £25 cheaper than the Logan Hicks print.
Every print POW has released this year has been at least £100+, most of them over £200. Those insect skulls were £350!!
It's got nothing to do with whether I think of myself as sophisticated or not.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by numusic on May 25, 2007 10:21:26 GMT 1, Actually Nu I was thinking in particular of Black Mona - same price as the Logan Hicks print - and some of the Beautiful Losers prints (not all of them) - only £25 cheaper than the Logan Hicks print. Every print POW has released this year has been at least £100+, most of them over £200. Those insect skulls were £350!! It's got nothing to do with whether I think of myself as sophisticated or not.
Sorry Pez, wasn't aiming directly at you mate. Maybe wrong thread to post in. Just struck me that people are moaning about POW and the quality of the work an awful lot these days. Show me another printers or gallery that'd give you a Banksy for 100 quid at Christmas and I'll show you a saint. Pretty much everything BRP put out is tried and tested, and a lot of them found and promoted by POW in the first place. BRP is going for quality prints in a fine art sense. POW are doing something different.
As for Black Mona.. the imagery can easily be defended (either seriously or not), against pretty much anything that's been put out there by anyone in the past year.
Actually Nu I was thinking in particular of Black Mona - same price as the Logan Hicks print - and some of the Beautiful Losers prints (not all of them) - only £25 cheaper than the Logan Hicks print. Every print POW has released this year has been at least £100+, most of them over £200. Those insect skulls were £350!! It's got nothing to do with whether I think of myself as sophisticated or not. Sorry Pez, wasn't aiming directly at you mate. Maybe wrong thread to post in. Just struck me that people are moaning about POW and the quality of the work an awful lot these days. Show me another printers or gallery that'd give you a Banksy for 100 quid at Christmas and I'll show you a saint. Pretty much everything BRP put out is tried and tested, and a lot of them found and promoted by POW in the first place. BRP is going for quality prints in a fine art sense. POW are doing something different. As for Black Mona.. the imagery can easily be defended (either seriously or not), against pretty much anything that's been put out there by anyone in the past year. |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by pezlow on May 25, 2007 10:36:45 GMT 1, I agree with you mate but I think the problem for POW is that their prices are now at the same level as BRP for the vast majority of releases. I certainly wouldn't slag off POW as they are rightly the flag-bearers for this art and should be congratulated for what they have done.
Whether or not you can defend the imagery of the Black Mona I would say that, given that it was the same price as the Logan Hicks print, I know which one I prefer. Evidentally the majority of people don't agree with me since Black Mona zoomed off the shelves of POW whereas the logan hicks is still there for anyone to buy 10 days after release.
I agree with you mate but I think the problem for POW is that their prices are now at the same level as BRP for the vast majority of releases. I certainly wouldn't slag off POW as they are rightly the flag-bearers for this art and should be congratulated for what they have done.
Whether or not you can defend the imagery of the Black Mona I would say that, given that it was the same price as the Logan Hicks print, I know which one I prefer. Evidentally the majority of people don't agree with me since Black Mona zoomed off the shelves of POW whereas the logan hicks is still there for anyone to buy 10 days after release.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by numusic on May 25, 2007 10:46:46 GMT 1, I agree with you mate but I think the problem for POW is that their prices are now at the same level as BRP for the vast majority of releases. I certainly wouldn't slag off POW as they are rightly the flag-bearers for this art and should be congratulated for what they have done. Whether or not you can defend the imagery of the Black Mona I would say that, given that it was the same price as the Logan Hicks print, I know which one I prefer. Evidentally the majority of people don't agree with me since Black Mona zoomed off the shelves of POW whereas the logan hicks is still there for anyone to buy 10 days after release.
Different buyers, different demographic methinks.. I'm sure a shed load of banksy's were blu tacked and pinned to doors in student dorms just a few years back.
I agree with you mate but I think the problem for POW is that their prices are now at the same level as BRP for the vast majority of releases. I certainly wouldn't slag off POW as they are rightly the flag-bearers for this art and should be congratulated for what they have done. Whether or not you can defend the imagery of the Black Mona I would say that, given that it was the same price as the Logan Hicks print, I know which one I prefer. Evidentally the majority of people don't agree with me since Black Mona zoomed off the shelves of POW whereas the logan hicks is still there for anyone to buy 10 days after release. Different buyers, different demographic methinks.. I'm sure a shed load of banksy's were blu tacked and pinned to doors in student dorms just a few years back. |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by dave313perry on May 25, 2007 10:52:21 GMT 1, and oh how they will be regretting it!
and oh how they will be regretting it!
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by Tyler Durden on May 25, 2007 10:57:50 GMT 1, Maybe I'm paraphrasing a bit too much but: if you like it, buy it. If not, don't. The skewing factor, as always is that of the bagger. BRP have their prices right and the whole reason the prints are knocking around a bit longer is because there's the necessity to think how much you like the print and have time to decide before you buy. The baggers have been put off as they can't shift the work & banksy-esque profit margins. The serious collectors are taken aback by the sheer quality of the workmanship going into every one of the prints, but have been spoilt by the cheap / affordable prices POW have been knocking their prints out for donkey's years. Perhaps POW like BRP's strategy. Perhaps they're just trying to keep up with the times. We can speculate all day and still end up where we started. Neither Black Mona nor Logan's piece were to my tastes so I let both pass me by, and I stand by that.
Maybe I'm paraphrasing a bit too much but: if you like it, buy it. If not, don't. The skewing factor, as always is that of the bagger. BRP have their prices right and the whole reason the prints are knocking around a bit longer is because there's the necessity to think how much you like the print and have time to decide before you buy. The baggers have been put off as they can't shift the work & banksy-esque profit margins. The serious collectors are taken aback by the sheer quality of the workmanship going into every one of the prints, but have been spoilt by the cheap / affordable prices POW have been knocking their prints out for donkey's years. Perhaps POW like BRP's strategy. Perhaps they're just trying to keep up with the times. We can speculate all day and still end up where we started. Neither Black Mona nor Logan's piece were to my tastes so I let both pass me by, and I stand by that.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by barry cilit on May 25, 2007 14:08:37 GMT 1, It's amazing to my mind that there are some of those Logan Hicks prints left on BRP. When you compare it to some of the, lets be honest, cr*p that POW have churned out this year which has sold out in minutes it is truly astonishing. No disrespect pez, but I'm hearing this more and more, and I just have to say that I think it's crap. People on here and elsewhere were happily buying 35 quid Eelus & 50 quid Dface prints just 12 months ago. There's an amount of snobbery sneaking in as peoples tastes through their exposure to "art" a la Micallef, Neate, Baldwin etc becomes more prevelant. All of these artists have risen up on the back of the rougher streetsy lo fi and much cheaper work that POW have been putting out for years. People may think they are aquiring a more refined and sophisticated approach to art..but IMO, they're just being misled and manipulated by this age old "fine art" nonsense that this type of work initially set out to challange. Agents, managers, gallerists, commercial art sector, media, councils, governements etc all conspiring to defang the threat and relevance that "Street art" has thrown up. Yopu might not like some of the aesthetics and work that POW and it's artists puts out. But rarely if ever, have they put out any crap. And though we may joke about Zeus, his work and actions are far more relevant than Micallef, Neate and Baldwin put together. We're not as sophisticated as we maybe like to think we are Discuss
Do you really think Neate deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Micallef and Baldwin?
have you not seen his website?
i.e he is a
STREET ARTIST!!!
www.adamneate.co.uk
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It's amazing to my mind that there are some of those Logan Hicks prints left on BRP. When you compare it to some of the, lets be honest, cr*p that POW have churned out this year which has sold out in minutes it is truly astonishing. No disrespect pez, but I'm hearing this more and more, and I just have to say that I think it's crap. People on here and elsewhere were happily buying 35 quid Eelus & 50 quid Dface prints just 12 months ago. There's an amount of snobbery sneaking in as peoples tastes through their exposure to "art" a la Micallef, Neate, Baldwin etc becomes more prevelant. All of these artists have risen up on the back of the rougher streetsy lo fi and much cheaper work that POW have been putting out for years. People may think they are aquiring a more refined and sophisticated approach to art..but IMO, they're just being misled and manipulated by this age old "fine art" nonsense that this type of work initially set out to challange. Agents, managers, gallerists, commercial art sector, media, councils, governements etc all conspiring to defang the threat and relevance that "Street art" has thrown up. Yopu might not like some of the aesthetics and work that POW and it's artists puts out. But rarely if ever, have they put out any crap. And though we may joke about Zeus, his work and actions are far more relevant than Micallef, Neate and Baldwin put together. We're not as sophisticated as we maybe like to think we are Discuss Do you really think Neate deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Micallef and Baldwin? have you not seen his website? i.e he is a STREET ARTIST!!! www.adamneate.co.ukdiscuss |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by affart on May 25, 2007 14:16:29 GMT 1, A 'Street' artist with work selling for more than Dan baldwins does.
Discuss!
A 'Street' artist with work selling for more than Dan baldwins does.
Discuss!
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by finsburyparkranger on May 25, 2007 14:27:46 GMT 1, I really don't care if an artist goes out and promotes his art on other peoples property. That doesn't automatically make it important to me. Personally I think street art is about an act of protest and making people think twice about the world around them. Adam neate just makes the street look nicer. Which is cool and very special for the person that comes across his work. However , to me, he is not questioning his world, he's just improving it and promoting himself. Or am I wrong?
I really don't care if an artist goes out and promotes his art on other peoples property. That doesn't automatically make it important to me. Personally I think street art is about an act of protest and making people think twice about the world around them. Adam neate just makes the street look nicer. Which is cool and very special for the person that comes across his work. However , to me, he is not questioning his world, he's just improving it and promoting himself. Or am I wrong?
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by numusic on May 25, 2007 15:43:59 GMT 1, Good point Richard, and maybe a little unfair to include Neate..I guess leaving his work on the streets was born out of a need or necessity to get his work seen, and it developed into a nice little concept that raises issues about the traditional access routes into galleries or the "voice of the people being heard", in much the same way as graffiti originally developed and evolved.
But for me, though I love the concept, the content does nothing for me. 10 minute hand drawn cartoon characters on cardboard, some good, some not. Could quite easily have been on a wall or toilet door and nobody would have looked twice. Swoon & Kinsey are sooo much better on the street, as are most others.
Neates work is gallery work, that's the stuff of pure quality.. his street work seems more of a means to an end these days. I'd say he was a traditional figurative painter in every sense, but also a very good example of, and addition to, the ever broadening field of what "street art" can be and is.
I guess if it's on the street, then it's street art, so apology's to Adam
Good point Richard, and maybe a little unfair to include Neate..I guess leaving his work on the streets was born out of a need or necessity to get his work seen, and it developed into a nice little concept that raises issues about the traditional access routes into galleries or the "voice of the people being heard", in much the same way as graffiti originally developed and evolved. But for me, though I love the concept, the content does nothing for me. 10 minute hand drawn cartoon characters on cardboard, some good, some not. Could quite easily have been on a wall or toilet door and nobody would have looked twice. Swoon & Kinsey are sooo much better on the street, as are most others. Neates work is gallery work, that's the stuff of pure quality.. his street work seems more of a means to an end these days. I'd say he was a traditional figurative painter in every sense, but also a very good example of, and addition to, the ever broadening field of what "street art" can be and is. I guess if it's on the street, then it's street art, so apology's to Adam |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by ABC on May 25, 2007 21:48:34 GMT 1, I agree with you mate but I think the problem for POW is that their prices are now at the same level as BRP for the vast majority of releases. I certainly wouldn't slag off POW as they are rightly the flag-bearers for this art and should be congratulated for what they have done. Whether or not you can defend the imagery of the Black Mona I would say that, given that it was the same price as the Logan Hicks print, I know which one I prefer. Evidentally the majority of people don't agree with me since Black Mona zoomed off the shelves of POW whereas the logan hicks is still there for anyone to buy 10 days after release. Different buyers, different demographic methinks.. I'm sure a shed load of banksy's were blu tacked and pinned to doors in student dorms just a few years back.
They certainly were, If I ever thought Mr B would have made it this big I would be a rich man now, but probably never enjoyed the prints for what they were (Posters). RC with pins holes and blue tack is a common thing I feel.
I agree with you mate but I think the problem for POW is that their prices are now at the same level as BRP for the vast majority of releases. I certainly wouldn't slag off POW as they are rightly the flag-bearers for this art and should be congratulated for what they have done. Whether or not you can defend the imagery of the Black Mona I would say that, given that it was the same price as the Logan Hicks print, I know which one I prefer. Evidentally the majority of people don't agree with me since Black Mona zoomed off the shelves of POW whereas the logan hicks is still there for anyone to buy 10 days after release. Different buyers, different demographic methinks.. I'm sure a shed load of banksy's were blu tacked and pinned to doors in student dorms just a few years back. They certainly were, If I ever thought Mr B would have made it this big I would be a rich man now, but probably never enjoyed the prints for what they were (Posters). RC with pins holes and blue tack is a common thing I feel. |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by stuey09 on May 25, 2007 21:53:14 GMT 1, Good point. Heard a story from my local gallery that they sold flying copper to the local dibble when it first came out. They bought it as a laugh to present to a retiring collegue. I wonder what the receiving copper did with his print 
Good point. Heard a story from my local gallery that they sold flying copper to the local dibble when it first came out. They bought it as a laugh to present to a retiring collegue. I wonder what the receiving copper did with his print |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by corblimeylimey on May 25, 2007 22:28:30 GMT 1, There's room for people like BRP selling their very high quality 'fancy' technique prints for the price they are which is about the right level, and on the other hand you've got SOS with good quality street orientated prints that sell for only £40 - £70 just like POW used to do.
The trouble is POW now falls between two stalls, their quality is no better than SOS but recently their prices have been more like BRP.
There's room for people like BRP selling their very high quality 'fancy' technique prints for the price they are which is about the right level, and on the other hand you've got SOS with good quality street orientated prints that sell for only £40 - £70 just like POW used to do.
The trouble is POW now falls between two stalls, their quality is no better than SOS but recently their prices have been more like BRP.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by CR on May 25, 2007 22:40:58 GMT 1, very good point CBL - they find themselves in a very difficult position.
i think this is exactly what alot of people were predicting in Dec about POW!
It will be interesting to see the state of things by the end of the year.
CR
very good point CBL - they find themselves in a very difficult position.
i think this is exactly what alot of people were predicting in Dec about POW!
It will be interesting to see the state of things by the end of the year.
CR
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by bristolmassive on Apr 19, 2007 10:55:40 GMT 1, morning all - anyone fancy swapping something interesting for my Dface Cli Che? Maybe a banksy unsigned plus a little cash? Edit....(must have provenance)
Pls pm me.
cheers.
morning all - anyone fancy swapping something interesting for my Dface Cli Che? Maybe a banksy unsigned plus a little cash? Edit....(must have provenance)
Pls pm me.
cheers.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by manchestermike on Apr 19, 2007 11:00:44 GMT 1, Don't do it mate, that Cli-Ché is a fantastic print
Don't do it mate, that Cli-Ché is a fantastic print
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by Tyler Durden on Apr 19, 2007 11:08:36 GMT 1, Hmm.. tried to tell my friend that. Now he's got it on the bay. I'm tempted to bid on it myself.
Hmm.. tried to tell my friend that. Now he's got it on the bay. I'm tempted to bid on it myself.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by bristolmassive on Apr 19, 2007 11:20:57 GMT 1, Don't do it mate, that Cli-Ché is a fantastic print
I know, I know - it's got to be one of the highest quality prints I've ever bought. I just can't see where I gonna hang it without scaring the life out of my 12 month old...or the wife for that matter.
I'll see what offers roll in and take it from there.
Don't do it mate, that Cli-Ché is a fantastic print I know, I know - it's got to be one of the highest quality prints I've ever bought. I just can't see where I gonna hang it without scaring the life out of my 12 month old...or the wife for that matter. I'll see what offers roll in and take it from there. |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by glg on May 5, 2007 9:08:49 GMT 1, Good morning.
Bean reading this forum for a while but this is my first post, so please be gentle.
I have a DFace Cli Che print for sale.
Signed, numbered 7*/150. Excellend condition.
It was posted on ebay but I have been unlucky, first buyer didn't pay, then second listing was removed because of some funny keywords!
I am based in the UK and will post in the original tube from O'contemporary.
£375.
Thank you.
GLG
Good morning.
Bean reading this forum for a while but this is my first post, so please be gentle.
I have a DFace Cli Che print for sale.
Signed, numbered 7*/150. Excellend condition.
It was posted on ebay but I have been unlucky, first buyer didn't pay, then second listing was removed because of some funny keywords!
I am based in the UK and will post in the original tube from O'contemporary.
£375.
Thank you.
GLG
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by manchestermike on May 5, 2007 10:13:26 GMT 1, I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
Don't do it! Not this print.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
Don't do it! Not this print.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by pezlow on May 5, 2007 11:21:40 GMT 1, A lot of these being sold - I guess it is not a very wife/family friendly image.
A lot of these being sold - I guess it is not a very wife/family friendly image.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by tomhills1 on May 5, 2007 12:03:35 GMT 1, i think you're spot on pezlow, the trouble i've had with grin reaper in that department but this one may be a step too far
i only looked at it the other day on the bay because everyone was banging on about how underrated it is and i must say it oozes class. do you know what, i'm such a stubborn f*cker, i'd keep it just to piss people off. well, because i liked it too obviously, i mean i would be even more inclined to hold on to spite others.
concise as ever.
i think you're spot on pezlow, the trouble i've had with grin reaper in that department but this one may be a step too far i only looked at it the other day on the bay because everyone was banging on about how underrated it is and i must say it oozes class. do you know what, i'm such a stubborn f*cker, i'd keep it just to piss people off. well, because i liked it too obviously, i mean i would be even more inclined to hold on to spite others. concise as ever. |
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by glg on May 5, 2007 12:27:50 GMT 1, I love the image and i am really sad to let it go.
I know I will regret it.
It's purely financial. my car is running on 3 wheels...sad to let it go but I have to.
I love the image and i am really sad to let it go.
I know I will regret it.
It's purely financial. my car is running on 3 wheels...sad to let it go but I have to.
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by glg on May 5, 2007 17:43:45 GMT 1, somebody interested?
somebody interested?
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by glg on May 6, 2007 12:05:53 GMT 1, This will go on ebay tonight
thanks 
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by lastpost on May 6, 2007 22:20:39 GMT 1, How much did it cost originally??
How much did it cost originally??
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DFace • Cli Che Print, by pezlow on May 6, 2007 22:23:55 GMT 1, £300
£300
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