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Damien Hirst Interview, by ell on Jun 3, 2007 19:08:20 GMT 1, ok thanks dmandpenfold.
now i really want them to be fake. the more i think about it, the cleverer i think it is
ok thanks dmandpenfold.
now i really want them to be fake. the more i think about it, the cleverer i think it is
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Damien Hirst Interview, by ABC on Jun 3, 2007 20:18:39 GMT 1, yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent?
Having been to the diamond mines in Sierra Leone during the War/Conflict I can only agree with what has been said. I don't think Mr Hirst has seen at first hand the complete devastation In Africa that the western world caused just from the demand of Diamonds. Lets face it, A skull with Diamonds on, or save a few hands and arms from the children that were maimed on a hourly basis, I could post photos but it wouldn't be very nice or ethical. The most accurate film Ive seen on the conflict to date is Blood diamond with Mr caprio, well thats apart from the real footage Ive watched whilst out there. Good luck anyway Mr Hirst I'm sure you could do with the extra money. And personnaly think most of the worlds diamonds mined are conflict Diamonds, 90% of Sierra Leone's output of Diamonds were conflict, Fact.
yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? Having been to the diamond mines in Sierra Leone during the War/Conflict I can only agree with what has been said. I don't think Mr Hirst has seen at first hand the complete devastation In Africa that the western world caused just from the demand of Diamonds. Lets face it, A skull with Diamonds on, or save a few hands and arms from the children that were maimed on a hourly basis, I could post photos but it wouldn't be very nice or ethical. The most accurate film Ive seen on the conflict to date is Blood diamond with Mr caprio, well thats apart from the real footage Ive watched whilst out there. Good luck anyway Mr Hirst I'm sure you could do with the extra money. And personnaly think most of the worlds diamonds mined are conflict Diamonds, 90% of Sierra Leone's output of Diamonds were conflict, Fact. |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by wildbill on Jun 3, 2007 20:45:27 GMT 1, you could say that about everything though. art, clothes, music. everything Only the ones you list are not responsible for 4 million deaths, child soldiers, amputations, rapes and torture. The diamond trade has long financed the slaughter of the innocent as well as financed an awful lot of civil wars in Africa supported by both the Americans and the communists. Just so some fat ignorant mcdaonalds munching westerner can get down on one knee and propose to his fat ignorant lattรฉ slurping girlfriend..
Nuart!!! Thank you! You have summed it up much better than I could and you are right on point. Much Respect! When I made that post I lost respect points for it which is absolutely baffling. Perhaps I didn't clearly make my point or someone out there really likes diamonds.
I don't think that most people realize what they're supporting when they buy diamonds. Not only are you supporting murder, rape, oppresion, and greed, but you're basically just giving your money away to some greedy ignorant fucks who give you an itsy bitsy carbon crystal in return. These men are extremely powerful and capable of horrible things as history has shown us. Nothing will get in the way of their greed as long as the world continues to buy their diamonds.
you could say that about everything though. art, clothes, music. everything Only the ones you list are not responsible for 4 million deaths, child soldiers, amputations, rapes and torture. The diamond trade has long financed the slaughter of the innocent as well as financed an awful lot of civil wars in Africa supported by both the Americans and the communists. Just so some fat ignorant mcdaonalds munching westerner can get down on one knee and propose to his fat ignorant lattรฉ slurping girlfriend.. Nuart!!! Thank you! You have summed it up much better than I could and you are right on point. Much Respect! When I made that post I lost respect points for it which is absolutely baffling. Perhaps I didn't clearly make my point or someone out there really likes diamonds. I don't think that most people realize what they're supporting when they buy diamonds. Not only are you supporting murder, rape, oppresion, and greed, but you're basically just giving your money away to some greedy ignorant fucks who give you an itsy bitsy carbon crystal in return. These men are extremely powerful and capable of horrible things as history has shown us. Nothing will get in the way of their greed as long as the world continues to buy their diamonds. |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by mose on Jun 3, 2007 20:53:52 GMT 1, and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent?
over half the world's diamond mining/production is done in Canada, Australia, Brazil, China, and Russia.
i'd imagine you could get into a fair number of scraps in bars in both Canada and Australia, but I don't really think that makes their diamonds 'conflict'...
and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? over half the world's diamond mining/production is done in Canada, Australia, Brazil, China, and Russia. i'd imagine you could get into a fair number of scraps in bars in both Canada and Australia, but I don't really think that makes their diamonds 'conflict'... |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by wildbill on Jun 3, 2007 21:19:24 GMT 1, yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent?
Even if they are not conflict diamonds they are still conflict diamonds. Debeers has the entire world market cornered on diamonds. They own or buy almost all of them!!!! The only reason they are so valuable is because Debeers keeps the supply way below the demand. They are not giving back to the world or helping the millions of family's who's lives they have destroyed. Their greed simply fans the flames of world oppression on an almost inconceivable scale.
So why support that shit? Why support an elitist agenda? It could be argued that the whole world is being oppressed by these people and their unquenchable greed.
Sure diamonds are beautiful but so are CZ's and synthetics. Besides very few people in the world can tell the difference anyway, and it requires a magnifying lens. We should all proudly wear fakes and synthetics and tell people why real ones are so horrible.
In Japan, nobody gave a shit about diamonds until the middle of the 20th century when debeers put commercials everywhere telling them that if husbands love there wives they would buy them diamonds.....diamonds are a womens best friend....... diamonds are forever............Even if Diamonds are forever our lives are not.
Its just a carbon crystal, human life is whats important. If we were all to stop wasting money on diamonds and focus on combating poverty and human oppression the world would be a much better place. Perhaps this is what Damien was trying to say with this piece but if that where the case I wish he would have used fakes.
yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? Even if they are not conflict diamonds they are still conflict diamonds. Debeers has the entire world market cornered on diamonds. They own or buy almost all of them!!!! The only reason they are so valuable is because Debeers keeps the supply way below the demand. They are not giving back to the world or helping the millions of family's who's lives they have destroyed. Their greed simply fans the flames of world oppression on an almost inconceivable scale. So why support that shit? Why support an elitist agenda? It could be argued that the whole world is being oppressed by these people and their unquenchable greed. Sure diamonds are beautiful but so are CZ's and synthetics. Besides very few people in the world can tell the difference anyway, and it requires a magnifying lens. We should all proudly wear fakes and synthetics and tell people why real ones are so horrible. In Japan, nobody gave a shit about diamonds until the middle of the 20th century when debeers put commercials everywhere telling them that if husbands love there wives they would buy them diamonds.....diamonds are a womens best friend....... diamonds are forever............Even if Diamonds are forever our lives are not. Its just a carbon crystal, human life is whats important. If we were all to stop wasting money on diamonds and focus on combating poverty and human oppression the world would be a much better place. Perhaps this is what Damien was trying to say with this piece but if that where the case I wish he would have used fakes. |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by stuey09 on Jun 3, 2007 21:22:27 GMT 1, Very well put Billiam.
Very well put Billiam.
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Damien Hirst Interview, by numusic on Jun 3, 2007 21:36:48 GMT 1,
Anyone fancy a big mac ? I'm starving ! 
Anyone fancy a big mac ? I'm starving ! |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by corblimeylimey on Jun 3, 2007 21:37:00 GMT 1, Respect Billiam.
Respect Billiam.
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Damien Hirst Interview, by ABC on Jun 3, 2007 21:41:21 GMT 1, yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? Even if they are not conflict diamonds they are still conflict diamonds. Debeers has the entire world market cornered on diamonds. They own or buy almost all of them!!!! The only reason they are so valuable is because Debeers keeps the supply way below the demand. They are not giving back to the world or helping the millions of family's who's lives they have destroyed. Their greed simply fans the flames of world oppression on an almost inconceivable scale. So why support that s**t? Why support an elitist agenda? It could be argued that the whole world is being oppressed by these people and their unquenchable greed. Sure diamonds are beautiful but so are CZ's and synthetics. Besides very few people in the world can tell the difference anyway, and it requires a magnifying lens. We should all proudly wear fakes and synthetics and tell people why real ones are so horrible. In Japan, nobody gave a s**t about diamonds until the middle of the 20th century when debeers put commercials everywhere telling them that if husbands love there wives they would buy them diamonds.....diamonds are a womens best friend....... diamonds are forever............Even if Diamonds are forever our lives are not. Its just a carbon crystal, human life is whats important. If we were all to stop wasting money on diamonds and focus on combating poverty and human oppression the world would be a much better place. Perhaps this is what Damien was trying to say with this piece but if that where the case I wish he would have used fakes.
Good Post, Well put.
yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? Even if they are not conflict diamonds they are still conflict diamonds. Debeers has the entire world market cornered on diamonds. They own or buy almost all of them!!!! The only reason they are so valuable is because Debeers keeps the supply way below the demand. They are not giving back to the world or helping the millions of family's who's lives they have destroyed. Their greed simply fans the flames of world oppression on an almost inconceivable scale. So why support that s**t? Why support an elitist agenda? It could be argued that the whole world is being oppressed by these people and their unquenchable greed. Sure diamonds are beautiful but so are CZ's and synthetics. Besides very few people in the world can tell the difference anyway, and it requires a magnifying lens. We should all proudly wear fakes and synthetics and tell people why real ones are so horrible. In Japan, nobody gave a s**t about diamonds until the middle of the 20th century when debeers put commercials everywhere telling them that if husbands love there wives they would buy them diamonds.....diamonds are a womens best friend....... diamonds are forever............Even if Diamonds are forever our lives are not. Its just a carbon crystal, human life is whats important. If we were all to stop wasting money on diamonds and focus on combating poverty and human oppression the world would be a much better place. Perhaps this is what Damien was trying to say with this piece but if that where the case I wish he would have used fakes. Good Post, Well put. |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by Va Va Voom on Jun 3, 2007 21:46:02 GMT 1, yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? Having been to the diamond mines in Sierra Leone during the War/Conflict I can only agree with what has been said. I don't think Mr Hirst has seen at first hand the complete devastation In Africa that the western world caused just from the demand of Diamonds. Lets face it, A skull with Diamonds on, or save a few hands and arms from the children that were maimed on a hourly basis, I could post photos but it wouldn't be very nice or ethical. The most accurate film Ive seen on the conflict to date is Blood diamond with Mr caprio, well thats apart from the real footage Ive watched whilst out there. Good luck anyway Mr Hirst I'm sure you could do with the extra money. And personnaly think most of the worlds diamonds mined are conflict Diamonds, 90% of Sierra Leone's output of Diamonds were conflict, Fact.
Concur with that ABC,would take a very brave man to say that all diamonds used are conflict free..Having friends in the trade they certainly are very unsure of the origin of 90% of the stock they handle.
yeah true Nuart. very good point but for example nike etc pay next to nothing to get people to make their stuff which they sell for a lot more than it cost to make. whilst the people making them are living in extreme poverty. i know its not really on the same scale but practically everything you buy has ethical problems with it. sorry i dont know if what im trying to say is coming out right, im not the best person to explain things (im dyslexic!) i guess what im trying to say is that everything that consequences and some are terrible like diamonds and more extreme but a lot of things affect others in a negative way which are maybe less extreme so therefore less publicised. Damien Hirst said he didnt use conflict diamonds though. i always wonder though, how do you know that they aren't conflict diamonds. and arn't they all conflict diamonds to a certain extent? Having been to the diamond mines in Sierra Leone during the War/Conflict I can only agree with what has been said. I don't think Mr Hirst has seen at first hand the complete devastation In Africa that the western world caused just from the demand of Diamonds. Lets face it, A skull with Diamonds on, or save a few hands and arms from the children that were maimed on a hourly basis, I could post photos but it wouldn't be very nice or ethical. The most accurate film Ive seen on the conflict to date is Blood diamond with Mr caprio, well thats apart from the real footage Ive watched whilst out there. Good luck anyway Mr Hirst I'm sure you could do with the extra money. And personnaly think most of the worlds diamonds mined are conflict Diamonds, 90% of Sierra Leone's output of Diamonds were conflict, Fact. Concur with that ABC,would take a very brave man to say that all diamonds used are conflict free..Having friends in the trade they certainly are very unsure of the origin of 90% of the stock they handle. |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by numusic on Jun 3, 2007 21:49:29 GMT 1, Great thread... what a life affirming place this is sometimes, respect to you all ! , let's hope Mr Hirst pops along and has a read .
Great thread... what a life affirming place this is sometimes, respect to you all ! , let's hope Mr Hirst pops along and has a read .
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Damien Hirst Interview, by dmandpenfold on Jun 3, 2007 22:33:06 GMT 1, Billiam's made some very valid points especially that even though not all diamonds are conflict diamonds, the elevated price will in some way be influenced by the sale of all diamonds, some of which are conflict.
There is a process in place since 2003 called the Kimberley Process, which is a certification system mandated by the UN and designed to ensure all diamonds sold are from legitimate sources, naturally as with anything there are ways around this and Amnesty International reports that conflict diamonds from Cote d'Ivoire find their way onto the market through Ghana. However the wars in C.A.R., Congo, Angola and Sierra Leone (Blood Diamond is based on this one) are over and these countries are also signed up to the process. The diamonds from these countries bring money into the region but sadly it is so often into the hands of the corrupt and powerful.
The diamond trade will continue and i think it would be naive of us to ignore that. But by bringing countries like those in west africa into the system at least they are being brought to the table as members and not being dictated to. Without them on board the diamonds will still flow but completely unchecked, smuggled through neighbouring countries.
There are 46 member countries on the Kimberley Process committee including diamond producers world wide and non producing members such as the EU. From their own facts and figures the sale of Blood diamonds has dropped from 10% in the 90's to about 0.2% today, the truth is probably somewhere in between if smuggled diamonds are accounted for.
Some good links for info if you're interested;
web.amnesty.org/library/index/engPOL300022007?open&of=eng-200
www.kimberleyprocess.com
www.diamondfacts.org
As for fakes and CZ's people still want the real thing, just like we want signed banksy's, unless we all drop this type of obsession we are all part of the same illusion of exclusivity that drives the problem in the first place... 
Billiam's made some very valid points especially that even though not all diamonds are conflict diamonds, the elevated price will in some way be influenced by the sale of all diamonds, some of which are conflict. There is a process in place since 2003 called the Kimberley Process, which is a certification system mandated by the UN and designed to ensure all diamonds sold are from legitimate sources, naturally as with anything there are ways around this and Amnesty International reports that conflict diamonds from Cote d'Ivoire find their way onto the market through Ghana. However the wars in C.A.R., Congo, Angola and Sierra Leone (Blood Diamond is based on this one) are over and these countries are also signed up to the process. The diamonds from these countries bring money into the region but sadly it is so often into the hands of the corrupt and powerful. The diamond trade will continue and i think it would be naive of us to ignore that. But by bringing countries like those in west africa into the system at least they are being brought to the table as members and not being dictated to. Without them on board the diamonds will still flow but completely unchecked, smuggled through neighbouring countries. There are 46 member countries on the Kimberley Process committee including diamond producers world wide and non producing members such as the EU. From their own facts and figures the sale of Blood diamonds has dropped from 10% in the 90's to about 0.2% today, the truth is probably somewhere in between if smuggled diamonds are accounted for. Some good links for info if you're interested; web.amnesty.org/library/index/engPOL300022007?open&of=eng-200www.kimberleyprocess.comwww.diamondfacts.orgAs for fakes and CZ's people still want the real thing, just like we want signed banksy's, unless we all drop this type of obsession we are all part of the same illusion of exclusivity that drives the problem in the first place... |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by finsburyparkranger on Jun 4, 2007 0:03:34 GMT 1, Fair comment dmandpenfold and respect for bringing a fresh angle to the argument in a very helpful manner and I haven't read your links yet, so please excuse me if my argument has already been countered. Although i can't help but think sometimes you must be realistic and demand the impossible. The poorer countries could economically be helped by selling their spare kidneys to the west. However we individually need to asses the consequences of our privileged actions. Just because Amnesty is trying to make a terrible situation better does not justify our involvement. Even the environmental consequences of 'ethical' mining must be painful. Banksy's limited edition prints on the other hand are a good example of a commodity that has limited environmental negatives and huge social benefits (I'm led to believe Banksy redistributes a reasonable amount his profits) and the messages held within the art are really positive. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we don't need to drop our obsession with exclusivity unless the overall consequences of that obsession are harmful to other forms of life, which diamond mining currently is. I believe that Hirsts skull will have invoked another trend for diamonds and thats a real shame when he could have evoked a trend against them, whilst creating something equally beautiful. Unless he's been a very clever boy and the twist is yet to come.....
Fair comment dmandpenfold and respect for bringing a fresh angle to the argument in a very helpful manner and I haven't read your links yet, so please excuse me if my argument has already been countered. Although i can't help but think sometimes you must be realistic and demand the impossible. The poorer countries could economically be helped by selling their spare kidneys to the west. However we individually need to asses the consequences of our privileged actions. Just because Amnesty is trying to make a terrible situation better does not justify our involvement. Even the environmental consequences of 'ethical' mining must be painful. Banksy's limited edition prints on the other hand are a good example of a commodity that has limited environmental negatives and huge social benefits (I'm led to believe Banksy redistributes a reasonable amount his profits) and the messages held within the art are really positive. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we don't need to drop our obsession with exclusivity unless the overall consequences of that obsession are harmful to other forms of life, which diamond mining currently is. I believe that Hirsts skull will have invoked another trend for diamonds and thats a real shame when he could have evoked a trend against them, whilst creating something equally beautiful. Unless he's been a very clever boy and the twist is yet to come.....
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Damien Hirst Interview, by dmandpenfold on Jun 4, 2007 1:25:45 GMT 1, cheers FPR you're right there, i've been wondering if the diamonds are actually fake, it would be a great twist.. otherwise i'm afraid all it's really done is glamourise diamonds for good or bad.
Re the banksy's, they were more by way of an example, what i was trying to say was that as banksy is an obsession for many, diamonds are for others and its human conditioning to have something 'exclusive' that drives the diamond market (i wasn't saying banksy's have a negative effect like the diamonds). Exclusivity for diamonds is an artificial concept created by a cartel, similarly you could say exclusivity for banksy's (for example) is also an artificial concept created by the cartel of 'Limited Editions'
What you're saying about asking the impossible is spot on but it takes everyone to stand up and be counted for it to work. Just like those emails that go around asking us to not buy petrol for one day to give the oil companies a bloody nose, it'll never work because the group will to do it doesn't exist.
btw amnesty dont run the Kimberley Process it's a UN thing and their record isnt exactly spotless either when it comes to W.Africa  but at least it's a start 
cheers FPR you're right there, i've been wondering if the diamonds are actually fake, it would be a great twist.. otherwise i'm afraid all it's really done is glamourise diamonds for good or bad. Re the banksy's, they were more by way of an example, what i was trying to say was that as banksy is an obsession for many, diamonds are for others and its human conditioning to have something 'exclusive' that drives the diamond market (i wasn't saying banksy's have a negative effect like the diamonds). Exclusivity for diamonds is an artificial concept created by a cartel, similarly you could say exclusivity for banksy's (for example) is also an artificial concept created by the cartel of 'Limited Editions' What you're saying about asking the impossible is spot on but it takes everyone to stand up and be counted for it to work. Just like those emails that go around asking us to not buy petrol for one day to give the oil companies a bloody nose, it'll never work because the group will to do it doesn't exist. btw amnesty dont run the Kimberley Process it's a UN thing and their record isnt exactly spotless either when it comes to W.Africa but at least it's a start |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by wildbill on Jun 4, 2007 4:43:22 GMT 1, I made the mistake of using the word fake. REAL SYNTHETICS are the way to go. They are 100% real diamonds which achieve a level of perfection that no natural diamond could ever achieve. The diamond cartel would have you believe that natural stones are better but in terms of all properties which make a diamond more valuable such as clarity and brilliance, A man made synthetic is by far superior.
very well put dmandpenfold.
We simply have to think for ourselves instead of letting big corporations advertising dollars tell us what to think. We have been brainwashed by the diamond industry, but now its the twenty first century and technology has given us a man made diamond.
If you saw two women walking down the road and each of them had a beautiful sparkling stone on their finger. Lets say one of them has a beautiful $300 - 3.5 carat synthetic that looks better than most mined diamonds. The other woman has a smaller 2 carat mined diamond that she paid $5000  for because Debeers will only release a few thousand 2 carats a year. Is the mined diamond better because Debeers won't release enough to meet the demand?
Wouldn't you rather have a bigger more beautiful diamond and an extra $4,700 in your pocket. I would! I hope my future wife will feel the same way
I made the mistake of using the word fake. REAL SYNTHETICS are the way to go. They are 100% real diamonds which achieve a level of perfection that no natural diamond could ever achieve. The diamond cartel would have you believe that natural stones are better but in terms of all properties which make a diamond more valuable such as clarity and brilliance, A man made synthetic is by far superior. very well put dmandpenfold. We simply have to think for ourselves instead of letting big corporations advertising dollars tell us what to think. We have been brainwashed by the diamond industry, but now its the twenty first century and technology has given us a man made diamond. If you saw two women walking down the road and each of them had a beautiful sparkling stone on their finger. Lets say one of them has a beautiful $300 - 3.5 carat synthetic that looks better than most mined diamonds. The other woman has a smaller 2 carat mined diamond that she paid $5000 for because Debeers will only release a few thousand 2 carats a year. Is the mined diamond better because Debeers won't release enough to meet the demand? Wouldn't you rather have a bigger more beautiful diamond and an extra $4,700 in your pocket. I would! I hope my future wife will feel the same way |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by corblimeylimey on Jun 4, 2007 12:37:41 GMT 1, Good luck with your future wifes diamond ring attitude billiam ;D
Luckily my wife hasn't a penchant for diamonds but we do have one, which is in the engagment ring, conflict or not we'll never know, it wasn't a new one but an antique (or second-hand if you like) would that help?
Good luck with your future wifes diamond ring attitude billiam ;D
Luckily my wife hasn't a penchant for diamonds but we do have one, which is in the engagment ring, conflict or not we'll never know, it wasn't a new one but an antique (or second-hand if you like) would that help?
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Damien Hirst Interview, by ABC on Jun 4, 2007 15:16:09 GMT 1, Just after the main conflict, having a few jars with the IMAT team (The International Military Advisory and Training Team ) the locals would approach us with pocket loads of Diamonds (Mainly Glass but some very real and very large - all uncut) for sale. Now these were obviously smuggled out from the mines and were being offered for around $5 each, which was a lot for a local, nearly a months wage. Needless to say we never got involved, Thinking on it now though I could have made a nice skull covered in them for not a lot of money.
Just after the main conflict, having a few jars with the IMAT team (The International Military Advisory and Training Team ) the locals would approach us with pocket loads of Diamonds (Mainly Glass but some very real and very large - all uncut) for sale. Now these were obviously smuggled out from the mines and were being offered for around $5 each, which was a lot for a local, nearly a months wage. Needless to say we never got involved, Thinking on it now though I could have made a nice skull covered in them for not a lot of money.
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Damien Hirst Interview, by ell on Jun 4, 2007 18:37:44 GMT 1, Just after the main conflict, having a few jars with the IMAT team (The International Military Advisory and Training Team ) the locals would approach us with pocket loads of Diamonds (Mainly Glass but some very real and very large - all uncut) for sale. Now these were obviously smuggled out from the mines and were being offered for around $5 each, which was a lot for a local, nearly a months wage. Needless to say we never got involved, Thinking on it now though I could have made a nice skull covered in them for not a lot of money.
sounds interesting and really sad. when did you go?
Just after the main conflict, having a few jars with the IMAT team (The International Military Advisory and Training Team ) the locals would approach us with pocket loads of Diamonds (Mainly Glass but some very real and very large - all uncut) for sale. Now these were obviously smuggled out from the mines and were being offered for around $5 each, which was a lot for a local, nearly a months wage. Needless to say we never got involved, Thinking on it now though I could have made a nice skull covered in them for not a lot of money. sounds interesting and really sad. when did you go? |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by taktheride on Jun 4, 2007 18:41:44 GMT 1, can someone rip this video and post it somewhere else?
can someone rip this video and post it somewhere else?
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Damien Hirst Interview, by corblimeylimey on Jun 4, 2007 18:47:49 GMT 1, can someone rip this video and post it somewhere else?
We have to pay our TV license fee (ยฃ135 annually) to watch quality television like this ;D
can someone rip this video and post it somewhere else? We have to pay our TV license fee (ยฃ135 annually) to watch quality television like this ;D |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by ABC on Jun 4, 2007 22:15:45 GMT 1, Just after the main conflict, having a few jars with the IMAT team (The International Military Advisory and Training Team ) the locals would approach us with pocket loads of Diamonds (Mainly Glass but some very real and very large - all uncut) for sale. Now these were obviously smuggled out from the mines and were being offered for around $5 each, which was a lot for a local, nearly a months wage. Needless to say we never got involved, Thinking on it now though I could have made a nice skull covered in them for not a lot of money. sounds interesting and really sad. when did you go?
Ive been there a few times, 95,98,04
Just after the main conflict, having a few jars with the IMAT team (The International Military Advisory and Training Team ) the locals would approach us with pocket loads of Diamonds (Mainly Glass but some very real and very large - all uncut) for sale. Now these were obviously smuggled out from the mines and were being offered for around $5 each, which was a lot for a local, nearly a months wage. Needless to say we never got involved, Thinking on it now though I could have made a nice skull covered in them for not a lot of money. sounds interesting and really sad. when did you go? Ive been there a few times, 95,98,04 |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by stuey09 on Jun 4, 2007 22:33:26 GMT 1, Tend to stick to Judith Chalmers territory these days ABC. ;D
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Damien Hirst Interview, by finsburyparkranger on Jun 5, 2007 9:22:57 GMT 1, I don't think this thread has actually blamed anyone has it? However I do think that all our small actions can become multiplied and the result can sometimes support actions that are horrific. Diamonds are fairly unique because they are almost impossible to trace where they came from and many conflict Diamonds get sold as 'ethical diamonds' and a huge amount of them have been key to fueling the trouble that is causing horrific results and maintaining millions and millions of people in poverty. Also because Diamonds are such an unnecessary luxury there is an awful clear symbolism involved that includes ignorance/prosperity and brutality/poverty as well as cause and effect. For me, because Hirst has failed to engage in that symbolism I feel the piece has failed. He talks about the piece being about hope, for me in the current climate, using real diamonds on this piece (if true) was a real artistic error. Something Banksy would never have done.
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Unless he has engaged with that symbolism through the nature of using a skull and he felt only real diamonds could represent the symbolism. In which case the symbolism would still work and represent 'hope' if he trousered all the profits. Will we be seeing a massive publicized gift from Hirst to Africa? or was this piece just a bit of western bling to help buy the second home. 
I don't think this thread has actually blamed anyone has it? However I do think that all our small actions can become multiplied and the result can sometimes support actions that are horrific. Diamonds are fairly unique because they are almost impossible to trace where they came from and many conflict Diamonds get sold as 'ethical diamonds' and a huge amount of them have been key to fueling the trouble that is causing horrific results and maintaining millions and millions of people in poverty. Also because Diamonds are such an unnecessary luxury there is an awful clear symbolism involved that includes ignorance/prosperity and brutality/poverty as well as cause and effect. For me, because Hirst has failed to engage in that symbolism I feel the piece has failed. He talks about the piece being about hope, for me in the current climate, using real diamonds on this piece (if true) was a real artistic error. Something Banksy would never have done. EDIT Unless he has engaged with that symbolism through the nature of using a skull and he felt only real diamonds could represent the symbolism. In which case the symbolism would still work and represent 'hope' if he trousered all the profits. Will we be seeing a massive publicized gift from Hirst to Africa? or was this piece just a bit of western bling to help buy the second home. |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by corblimeylimey on Jun 5, 2007 9:30:05 GMT 1, Yep I agree FPR, I don't think Banksy would use any diamonds (ethical or not) in any of his street work. ;D
Yep I agree FPR, I don't think Banksy would use any diamonds (ethical or not) in any of his street work. ;D
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Damien Hirst Interview, by finsburyparkranger on Jun 5, 2007 9:32:03 GMT 1, Yep I agree FPR, I don't think Banksy would use any diamonds (ethical or not) in any of his street work. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yep I agree FPR, I don't think Banksy would use any diamonds (ethical or not) in any of his street work. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by ABC on Jun 6, 2007 1:50:57 GMT 1, Tend to stick to Judith Chalmers territory these days ABC. ;D
Lol, the best places IMO
Tend to stick to Judith Chalmers territory these days ABC. ;D Lol, the best places IMO |
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Damien Hirst Interview, by Daniel Silk on Jul 10, 2010 15:20:28 GMT 1, Damien Hirst interview
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but at least it's a start 
for because Debeers will only release a few thousand 2 carats a year. Is the mined diamond better because Debeers won't release enough to meet the demand?
