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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by motor on Mar 2, 2009 14:17:38 GMT 1, Why should these pieces remain spotless and new as the day they were put up? They shouldn't.
Agree.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by urbanangel on Mar 2, 2009 14:18:28 GMT 1, Friday Saturday
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 14:19:33 GMT 1, I think it adds to it. Great skills though!
I think it adds to it. Great skills though!
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by taxidermot on Mar 2, 2009 14:33:31 GMT 1, It depends whether targeted for effect surely. If a graffiti artist or crew targeted other graffiti crew's pieces, I can't see it being laughed or shrugged off as being inevitable on the streets. Plenty of people seemed miffed by their pieces being hit by the less able at Cans, and that i
It depends whether targeted for effect surely. If a graffiti artist or crew targeted other graffiti crew's pieces, I can't see it being laughed or shrugged off as being inevitable on the streets. Plenty of people seemed miffed by their pieces being hit by the less able at Cans, and that i
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 14:38:25 GMT 1, It depends whether targeted for effect surely. If a graffiti artist or crew targeted other graffiti crew's pieces, I can't see it being laughed or shrugged off as being inevitable on the streets. Plenty of people seemed miffed by their pieces being hit by the less able at Cans, and that i
Then they should just do work indoors IMO. The street is the street. It's going to get pissed up upon, tagged, dogged, spat at, shagged against, photographed, painted over, knocked down. I think besides the obvious "fag" comment that the Banksy getting dogged is a good thing. It's his wall. It always happens. It just took a little while longer this time. He'll be back.
It depends whether targeted for effect surely. If a graffiti artist or crew targeted other graffiti crew's pieces, I can't see it being laughed or shrugged off as being inevitable on the streets. Plenty of people seemed miffed by their pieces being hit by the less able at Cans, and that i Then they should just do work indoors IMO. The street is the street. It's going to get pissed up upon, tagged, dogged, spat at, shagged against, photographed, painted over, knocked down. I think besides the obvious "fag" comment that the Banksy getting dogged is a good thing. It's his wall. It always happens. It just took a little while longer this time. He'll be back. |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by taxidermot on Mar 2, 2009 15:00:09 GMT 1, I'm all for the inevitable myself, even if it is because you don't like art fags or legal walls or because it is your job for the council. As you said "The street is the street." What's your opinion on removing work from the streets for your own use or to sell. By the same logic it is fair game. If you don't want it removed, don't do it on something that can be taken..?
I'm all for the inevitable myself, even if it is because you don't like art fags or legal walls or because it is your job for the council. As you said "The street is the street." What's your opinion on removing work from the streets for your own use or to sell. By the same logic it is fair game. If you don't want it removed, don't do it on something that can be taken..?
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 15:08:38 GMT 1, Removing work I'm all for. I fire up my JCB everyday. Im heading over to Hackney as we speak. No really, I don't really care. You can't stop it. Banksy no longer sprays nice pictures on removable walls anymore because they get robbed, but he used to. I hate the term "urban" art, for this reason. For me it has always been street art. I understand that it comes into your home in the form of canvas and print often, but on the street, its on street - It is for everyone. The geeks, the nut jobs, the crews. If its a legal wall, then all the better. For all I care, it can be hacked, chopped, cut-out, flipped. Sure the guy that bangs it on ebay gets a new corner sofa and 42" LCD. I get to see what replaces it. Thats all I care about.
Removing work I'm all for. I fire up my JCB everyday. Im heading over to Hackney as we speak. No really, I don't really care. You can't stop it. Banksy no longer sprays nice pictures on removable walls anymore because they get robbed, but he used to. I hate the term "urban" art, for this reason. For me it has always been street art. I understand that it comes into your home in the form of canvas and print often, but on the street, its on street - It is for everyone. The geeks, the nut jobs, the crews. If its a legal wall, then all the better. For all I care, it can be hacked, chopped, cut-out, flipped. Sure the guy that bangs it on ebay gets a new corner sofa and 42" LCD. I get to see what replaces it. Thats all I care about.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by taxidermot on Mar 2, 2009 15:20:48 GMT 1, Fair enough. Don't quite understand the term Urban Art, much prefer the term Street Art myself.
Fair enough. Don't quite understand the term Urban Art, much prefer the term Street Art myself.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by cookiemonster on Mar 2, 2009 15:24:05 GMT 1, mammal - so you dont have any objections when the likes of Bankrobber, take stuff off the streets for resale purposes then?
mammal - so you dont have any objections when the likes of Bankrobber, take stuff off the streets for resale purposes then?
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 15:32:28 GMT 1, Er yeah. But, what can you really do about it? I walked into Bank Robber Saturday. It looked like half of the Biennial art programme work was there. But you know what. I really don't care. More fool the idiots that buy from Bank Robber. That business model is going to fall on its ass soon anyways, as the days of being able to simply unscrew/chop/hack a Banksy have gone.
Er yeah. But, what can you really do about it? I walked into Bank Robber Saturday. It looked like half of the Biennial art programme work was there. But you know what. I really don't care. More fool the idiots that buy from Bank Robber. That business model is going to fall on its ass soon anyways, as the days of being able to simply unscrew/chop/hack a Banksy have gone.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by imbue on Mar 2, 2009 15:39:54 GMT 1, And this...
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by cookiemonster on Mar 2, 2009 15:40:34 GMT 1, it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain.
edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "fuck it, this piece will do"?
it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain.
edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "fuck it, this piece will do"?
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 15:49:03 GMT 1, In my opinion if you get offended by your stuff being scribbled all over, then don't go scribbling in the first place. In regards to what is actually said, well free speech and all that. I remember when Banksy had a flower thrower with Pest Control written over it dogged in Soho, cause people thought it was homophobic. Some people just wan't to express themselves with a big black marker. Don't mean that person is going to T.S Eliot (Maybe just a c**t- London is full of em) I don't know who this Peter character is, but neither will it keep me awake at night.
In my opinion if you get offended by your stuff being scribbled all over, then don't go scribbling in the first place. In regards to what is actually said, well free speech and all that. I remember when Banksy had a flower thrower with Pest Control written over it dogged in Soho, cause people thought it was homophobic. Some people just wan't to express themselves with a big black marker. Don't mean that person is going to T.S Eliot (Maybe just a c**t- London is full of em) I don't know who this Peter character is, but neither will it keep me awake at night.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 15:55:11 GMT 1, it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"?
What's the difference between Banksy tagging over private property with a marker, and someone tagging over his work? Banksy never asked permission, so why should John Doe. Circle of life!
it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"? What's the difference between Banksy tagging over private property with a marker, and someone tagging over his work? Banksy never asked permission, so why should John Doe. Circle of life! |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 15:57:30 GMT 1, p.s seeking permission is over rated in my eyes. Obviously, when it comes to the ladies it's best to ask.
p.s seeking permission is over rated in my eyes. Obviously, when it comes to the ladies it's best to ask.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by cookiemonster on Mar 2, 2009 16:00:19 GMT 1, it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"? What's the difference between Banksy tagging over private property with a marker, and someone tagging over his work? Banksy never asked permission, so why should John Doe. Circle of life!
come off it, Banksy has never tagged on another artists work. You will find also he has asked permission - One Nation Under CCTV, case in example
it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"? What's the difference between Banksy tagging over private property with a marker, and someone tagging over his work? Banksy never asked permission, so why should John Doe. Circle of life! come off it, Banksy has never tagged on another artists work. You will find also he has asked permission - One Nation Under CCTV, case in example |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 16:02:51 GMT 1, I never said he tagged over peoples work also I never said he never asked for permission, I just said its overrated.
I never said he tagged over peoples work also I never said he never asked for permission, I just said its overrated.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 16:05:59 GMT 1, it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"?
my god cookie you really dont get what street art is about do you?...if you want your art "clean" go back in the gallery
it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"? my god cookie you really dont get what street art is about do you?...if you want your art "clean" go back in the gallery |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 16:14:11 GMT 1, Listen I appreciate that work like "One Nation" requires permission due to its scale, but "lovers" in Bristol never did. Bansky was doing corporate work way before this forum was birthed also-Whatever paid the bills then and now. I don't like seeing a Banksy dogged, but then nor do I really care that much. Maybe writers should start carrying perspex sheeting around with em. Its a fact that Banksy dislikes his worked being buffed, but when it comes to being scrawled all over Im sure he gets over it. Same difference, you just need to squint a little.
Listen I appreciate that work like "One Nation" requires permission due to its scale, but "lovers" in Bristol never did. Bansky was doing corporate work way before this forum was birthed also-Whatever paid the bills then and now. I don't like seeing a Banksy dogged, but then nor do I really care that much. Maybe writers should start carrying perspex sheeting around with em. Its a fact that Banksy dislikes his worked being buffed, but when it comes to being scrawled all over Im sure he gets over it. Same difference, you just need to squint a little.
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by cookiemonster on Mar 2, 2009 16:17:53 GMT 1, it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"? my god cookie you really dont get what street art is about do you?...if you want your art "clean" go back in the gallery
last time i checked - art is subjective, and in my view, tagging over someone elses work as a load of wank (edited to ensure i keep my right to debate)
it all sounds like a contradicton to me, you care that art is taken from the streets, but when it comes to tagging on someone elses art, you think its acceptable, and part of the norm. To me, either one is as bad as the other, as both are willful destruction of another artists works for personal gain. edit: Let me also add, what about the artist who sought permission from the buildings owners to put their piece up, the time and effort gone in to it, and not excluding the cost to them, in order to bring joy to those who would appreciate it - then for someone just to come along and plaster their name all over it. Did TOX10 go through the same processes and effort? Or does he walk around with a spray can in his pocket and says, "f**k it, this piece will do"? my god cookie you really dont get what street art is about do you?...if you want your art "clean" go back in the gallery last time i checked - art is subjective, and in my view, tagging over someone elses work as a load of wank (edited to ensure i keep my right to debate) |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 16:25:24 GMT 1, my god cookie you really dont get what street art is about do you?...if you want your art "clean" go back in the gallery last time i checked - art is subjective, and in my view, tagging over someone elses work is a no no
Someone that says the phrase "is a no no" has no right to debate. I jest. Its all good. Differing opinions are what make a forum.
my god cookie you really dont get what street art is about do you?...if you want your art "clean" go back in the gallery last time i checked - art is subjective, and in my view, tagging over someone elses work is a no no Someone that says the phrase "is a no no" has no right to debate. I jest. Its all good. Differing opinions are what make a forum. |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by remirough on Mar 2, 2009 16:43:55 GMT 1, Removing work I'm all for. I fire up my JCB everyday. Im heading over to Hackney as we speak. No really, I don't really care. You can't stop it. Banksy no longer sprays nice pictures on removable walls anymore because they get robbed, but he used to. I hate the term "urban" art, for this reason. For me it has always been street art. I understand that it comes into your home in the form of canvas and print often, but on the street, its on street - It is for everyone. The geeks, the nut jobs, the crews. If its a legal wall, then all the better. For all I care, it can be hacked, chopped, cut-out, flipped. Sure the guy that bangs it on ebay gets a new corner sofa and 42" LCD. I get to see what replaces it. Thats all I care about.
you sir are a fucking moron.
Removing work I'm all for. I fire up my JCB everyday. Im heading over to Hackney as we speak. No really, I don't really care. You can't stop it. Banksy no longer sprays nice pictures on removable walls anymore because they get robbed, but he used to. I hate the term "urban" art, for this reason. For me it has always been street art. I understand that it comes into your home in the form of canvas and print often, but on the street, its on street - It is for everyone. The geeks, the nut jobs, the crews. If its a legal wall, then all the better. For all I care, it can be hacked, chopped, cut-out, flipped. Sure the guy that bangs it on ebay gets a new corner sofa and 42" LCD. I get to see what replaces it. Thats all I care about. you sir are a fucking moron. |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 16:48:35 GMT 1, Removing work I'm all for. I fire up my JCB everyday. Im heading over to Hackney as we speak. No really, I don't really care. You can't stop it. Banksy no longer sprays nice pictures on removable walls anymore because they get robbed, but he used to. I hate the term "urban" art, for this reason. For me it has always been street art. I understand that it comes into your home in the form of canvas and print often, but on the street, its on street - It is for everyone. The geeks, the nut jobs, the crews. If its a legal wall, then all the better. For all I care, it can be hacked, chopped, cut-out, flipped. Sure the guy that bangs it on ebay gets a new corner sofa and 42" LCD. I get to see what replaces it. Thats all I care about. you sir are a f**king moron.
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Removing work I'm all for. I fire up my JCB everyday. Im heading over to Hackney as we speak. No really, I don't really care. You can't stop it. Banksy no longer sprays nice pictures on removable walls anymore because they get robbed, but he used to. I hate the term "urban" art, for this reason. For me it has always been street art. I understand that it comes into your home in the form of canvas and print often, but on the street, its on street - It is for everyone. The geeks, the nut jobs, the crews. If its a legal wall, then all the better. For all I care, it can be hacked, chopped, cut-out, flipped. Sure the guy that bangs it on ebay gets a new corner sofa and 42" LCD. I get to see what replaces it. Thats all I care about. you sir are a f**king moron. Bizzare |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by eddiedangerous on Mar 2, 2009 16:50:45 GMT 1, [glow=red,2,300]its all vandalism
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[glow=red,2,300]its all vandalism
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by eddiedangerous on Mar 2, 2009 16:55:43 GMT 1, 
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by cookiemonster on Mar 2, 2009 16:56:16 GMT 1, [glow=red,2,300] its all vandalism
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[glow=red,2,300] its all vandalism
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by PRO on Mar 2, 2009 17:38:10 GMT 1, I think it rather cleaver how 10foot cut and toxic have joined there tag together like that... its all probably done by the same person... eg 10foot is tox and so on.
Allot of graff writers use more than one tag, normally when they get busted writing one they will move on to a different one.
You got to understand tagging like this can get highly addictive.
It was only a matter of time before the banksy got it although it was a tribute piece to ozone who died doing what he loved he probably didn't know him on a personal level,
Where as tox probably did because of there common interest of train writing..
Anyway banksy's in town and no dout gonna do a piece there at some point in the near future.
But saying all this i believe tox is banksy...
I think it rather cleaver how 10foot cut and toxic have joined there tag together like that... its all probably done by the same person... eg 10foot is tox and so on.
Allot of graff writers use more than one tag, normally when they get busted writing one they will move on to a different one.
You got to understand tagging like this can get highly addictive.
It was only a matter of time before the banksy got it although it was a tribute piece to ozone who died doing what he loved he probably didn't know him on a personal level,
Where as tox probably did because of there common interest of train writing..
Anyway banksy's in town and no dout gonna do a piece there at some point in the near future.
But saying all this i believe tox is banksy...
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by cookiemonster on Mar 2, 2009 18:05:45 GMT 1, thats not how it reads though Frankie - and why should an artist have to go back and repaint a piece he/she did - can not the tagger show some respect for the artist and piece itself and tag next to it, rather than over it? To me, when someone tags has to resort to such tactics, its because either their skills are so basic or inept, that they cannot or do not have the depth to do something original or they want to ride on the back of someone elses success - automobilechoochoo (not saying his name otherwise it will show up in google and his searches ranking will go up) springs to mind
thats not how it reads though Frankie - and why should an artist have to go back and repaint a piece he/she did - can not the tagger show some respect for the artist and piece itself and tag next to it, rather than over it? To me, when someone tags has to resort to such tactics, its because either their skills are so basic or inept, that they cannot or do not have the depth to do something original or they want to ride on the back of someone elses success - automobilechoochoo (not saying his name otherwise it will show up in google and his searches ranking will go up) springs to mind |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by mammal1 on Mar 2, 2009 18:07:28 GMT 1, you sir are a f**king moron. easy Rem  Mammal means well - it's his roundabout way of saying if someone paints over your piece - go back and paint it again ... I think! 
That is what I meant. Variety and all. Oh well. Sorry RR. At the end of the day, this is your world.
you sir are a f**king moron. easy Rem Mammal means well - it's his roundabout way of saying if someone paints over your piece - go back and paint it again ... I think! That is what I meant. Variety and all. Oh well. Sorry RR. At the end of the day, this is your world. |
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Banksy Street Art โข Tesco Generation, by snik on Mar 2, 2009 18:24:39 GMT 1, i dont post here very often, but this thread has got me humoured.
if you paint on the street, the moment the paint leaves the can and hits the wall, its not yours. you cant do shit about it after that, apart from take a snap, and go onto the next wall.
watch style wars, these guys are just another 'cap', theyre getting up, thats all there is to it.
i dont post here very often, but this thread has got me humoured.
if you paint on the street, the moment the paint leaves the can and hits the wall, its not yours. you cant do shit about it after that, apart from take a snap, and go onto the next wall.
watch style wars, these guys are just another 'cap', theyre getting up, thats all there is to it.
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Mammal means well - it's his roundabout way of saying if someone paints over your piece - go back and paint it again ... I think! 
