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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 18, 2021 18:20:50 GMT 1, Bought the Tate one :-)
Bought the Tate one :-)
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Wanchope on Nov 18, 2021 18:30:49 GMT 1, well done and glad to help
well done and glad to help
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 23:28:49 GMT 1,
I would say no. All of the ones I had on the day were simple black marker
I would say no. All of the ones I had on the day were simple black marker
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by disturbart on Nov 24, 2021 23:43:47 GMT 1, No, its a copy.
No, its a copy.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Icecream Man on Nov 25, 2021 0:08:53 GMT 1, Were there two colors of sharpie?
Were there two colors of sharpie?
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by u%hdjfka c on Nov 25, 2021 0:22:58 GMT 1,
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Rubberneck on Nov 25, 2021 0:29:01 GMT 1, There are some good threads in the forum on the genuine cd. Would be worth a search.
There are some good threads in the forum on the genuine cd. Would be worth a search.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 25, 2021 8:03:21 GMT 1, Did anybody seem a signature like this one?
Did anybody seem a signature like this one?
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Rubberneck on Nov 25, 2021 8:38:03 GMT 1, Did anybody seem a signature like this one? Iโve not seen one where the marker has bled so much. There is some bleeding but this one is extreme, might suggest itโs been written with a different pen or printed on? Have you looked at the ink through a loupe? You should be able to see a variance in texture between the lighter and darker shades.
Did anybody seem a signature like this one? Iโve not seen one where the marker has bled so much. There is some bleeding but this one is extreme, might suggest itโs been written with a different pen or printed on? Have you looked at the ink through a loupe? You should be able to see a variance in texture between the lighter and darker shades.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Rubberneck on Nov 25, 2021 8:40:44 GMT 1, Also not seen one with a pink glow..
Also not seen one with a pink glow..
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Rubberneck on Nov 25, 2021 8:46:03 GMT 1, Is there a sticker on the case or not? There should be a sticker .. even in this thread there are 3 different shots of the front of the case. The first shot posted with a large sticker on the top left looks genuine. That sticker should be on the outside of the case not printed on the insert or missing.
Is there a sticker on the case or not? There should be a sticker .. even in this thread there are 3 different shots of the front of the case. The first shot posted with a large sticker on the top left looks genuine. That sticker should be on the outside of the case not printed on the insert or missing.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 25, 2021 9:01:00 GMT 1, Is there a sticker on the case or not? There should be a sticker .. even in this thread there are 3 different shots of the front of the case. The first shot posted with a large sticker on the top left looks genuine. That sticker should be on the outside of the case not printed on the insert or missing. No sticker, they say there were a couple without stickers.
Is there a sticker on the case or not? There should be a sticker .. even in this thread there are 3 different shots of the front of the case. The first shot posted with a large sticker on the top left looks genuine. That sticker should be on the outside of the case not printed on the insert or missing. No sticker, they say there were a couple without stickers.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 25, 2021 9:01:55 GMT 1, Thanks, according to this it's a real one, at last the CD.
Thanks, according to this it's a real one, at last the CD.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Rubberneck on Nov 25, 2021 12:37:54 GMT 1, Thanks, according to this it's a real one, at last the CD. I would just compare yours to the one on Laz Emporium site, potentially would be worth a call and see if they can let you compare them side by side? failing that just call as an interested buyer who wants to inspect. I would use a loupe to look at the printing on the cover, to see the rosette patterns are the same.
I've not heard of real ones without the sticker.
Thanks, according to this it's a real one, at last the CD. I would just compare yours to the one on Laz Emporium site, potentially would be worth a call and see if they can let you compare them side by side? failing that just call as an interested buyer who wants to inspect. I would use a loupe to look at the printing on the cover, to see the rosette patterns are the same. I've not heard of real ones without the sticker.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by apprint on Nov 25, 2021 13:51:08 GMT 1, this one is fine... i have one of those
this one is fine... i have one of those
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 25, 2021 14:32:28 GMT 1,
The number R049-1711-5156 is the same as mine. So legit after all?
The number R049-1711-5156 is the same as mine. So legit after all?
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by tezpellet on Nov 25, 2021 14:54:40 GMT 1, If you cannot make your own sound judgement on whether this is legit or not then you should not part with any cash at this stage.
If you cannot make your own sound judgement on whether this is legit or not then you should not part with any cash at this stage.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by ant0187 on Nov 25, 2021 15:30:31 GMT 1, Thanks but looking for a cheaper one instead of that 10K ;-)ย
Lazarides is offering 20% off everything until Sunday
Thanks but looking for a cheaper one instead of that 10K ;-)ย Lazarides is offering 20% off everything until Sunday
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Lroy on Nov 25, 2021 15:51:45 GMT 1, Did anybody seem a signature like this one? Iโve not seen one where the marker has bled so much. There is some bleeding but this one is extreme, might suggest itโs been written with a different pen or printed on? Have you looked at the ink through a loupe? You should be able to see a variance in texture between the lighter and darker shades. as in the movie, we saw him or them quickly done the signature in black, simple black... Hope that he did not paid it too much !
I always thought taht this cd was the most easy Banksy artwork to copy/fake ( for big money ! ) : you only need a CD to burn, cristal jacket, and photocopies..
Did anybody seem a signature like this one? Iโve not seen one where the marker has bled so much. There is some bleeding but this one is extreme, might suggest itโs been written with a different pen or printed on? Have you looked at the ink through a loupe? You should be able to see a variance in texture between the lighter and darker shades. as in the movie, we saw him or them quickly done the signature in black, simple black... Hope that he did not paid it too much !
I always thought taht this cd was the most easy Banksy artwork to copy/fake ( for big money ! ) : you only need a CD to burn, cristal jacket, and photocopies..
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Lroy on Nov 25, 2021 15:54:44 GMT 1, Why everyone's so secretive about this crap (it's not like a counterfeiter could fake this stuff)... The correct codes are: R049 - (1711 or 1712) - (5155 or 5156) And, I would assume that serial numbers VERY close to this range are right too (as they would have used multiple different batches). I've traced those serial numbers back to within days of the CDs being released however many years ago... Not an easy task, as everyone hides the information... all packs of cd to burn from the same brand has this number;
Why everyone's so secretive about this crap (it's not like a counterfeiter could fake this stuff)... The correct codes are: R049 - (1711 or 1712) - (5155 or 5156) And, I would assume that serial numbers VERY close to this range are right too (as they would have used multiple different batches). I've traced those serial numbers back to within days of the CDs being released however many years ago... Not an easy task, as everyone hides the information... all packs of cd to burn from the same brand has this number;
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 25, 2021 16:56:49 GMT 1, Iโve not seen one where the marker has bled so much. ย There is some bleeding but this one is extreme, might suggest itโs been written with a different pen or printed on? ย Have you looked at the ink through a loupe? ย You should be able to see a variance in texture between the lighter and darker shades.ย as in the movie, we saw him or them quickly done the signature in black, simple black... Hope that he did not paid it too much !
I always thought taht this cd was the most easy Banksy artwork to copy/fake ( for big money ! )ย : you only need a CD to burn, cristal jacket, and photocopies..
Also the number in the cd itself?
Iโve not seen one where the marker has bled so much. ย There is some bleeding but this one is extreme, might suggest itโs been written with a different pen or printed on? ย Have you looked at the ink through a loupe? ย You should be able to see a variance in texture between the lighter and darker shades.ย as in the movie, we saw him or them quickly done the signature in black, simple black... Hope that he did not paid it too much !
I always thought taht this cd was the most easy Banksy artwork to copy/fake ( for big money ! )ย : you only need a CD to burn, cristal jacket, and photocopies..
Also the number in the cd itself?
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Lroy on Nov 25, 2021 17:09:12 GMT 1, as in the movie, we saw him or them quickly done the signature in black, simple black... Hope that he did not paid it too much !
I always thought taht this cd was the most easy Banksy artwork to copy/fake ( for big money ! ) : you only need a CD to burn, cristal jacket, and photocopies..
Also the number in the cd itself? I will check at home, but all the cd to burn has the same number ! it depends just of the brand;.
They did not stamp cd with numbers themselves
as in the movie, we saw him or them quickly done the signature in black, simple black... Hope that he did not paid it too much !
I always thought taht this cd was the most easy Banksy artwork to copy/fake ( for big money ! ) : you only need a CD to burn, cristal jacket, and photocopies..
Also the number in the cd itself? I will check at home, but all the cd to burn has the same number ! it depends just of the brand;.
They did not stamp cd with numbers themselves
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by met on Nov 25, 2021 20:45:07 GMT 1, Sorry in advance for the length of what follows.
Whenever possible, my objective is to craft standalone posts. But I do understand how trying this may be, especially for members who read the forum on their telephones.
A.
I'm looking for the first pressing of Paris Hilton CD that Banksy made. Please PM. [...] I would also like to add that ironically, the photo the op has posted in theirIn Search Ofis the fake '2nd' version.
Indeed, Terry Fuckwitt, and well-spotted. That fake looks like it could be from the batch released by chancers in early 2008.
B.
Thanks for your responses. Thought the second pressing was also official. But only the ones with Paris X marked are official and of the 500 edition?
Thatโs correct right?
Admittedly, it's a little disheartening to come back and find the key point of my earlier post was missed.
What I pretty much had been trying to express was the timeless warning of Alexander Pope that, "A little learning is a dang'rous thing".
In other words, superficial knowledge can be perilous because it often gives us a misplaced sense of confidence. We know just enough to think we've understood โ just enough to be oblivious of how frighteningly ignorant we really are.
A response to your questions:
In a scenario where I was looking to scam you, I would try to sell you a fake Banksy Paris Hilton CD with a nicely-forged "Paris X" signature on it.
Sound like something a typical fraudster might try?
If yes, then here's another question: How could you then take any comfort in the authenticity of one of these CDs, simply based on the fact it had "Paris X" written on it?
C.
John 11:35
Please forgive the repetition below of parts of my earlier advice dated 17 November.
It inevitably risks me coming across as patronising. But the objective is rather to address an apparent need for greater emphasis and clarity.
[...] If you're dipping your toes in the market for higher-end Ban ksy ephemera โ which of course lacks the safety net of Pest Control Office oversight โ then you really need to know your onions. My advice would be to do a lot more homework. And to be very, very careful, including when liaising with dealers, galleries and auction houses that are selling purportedly-genuine collectibles without a Pest Control Office COA.With Ban ksy's spoofed Paris Hilton CD of 2006, there was never more than a single release. Official second or third pressings do not exist. The only distinction to therefore focus on is between (a) authentic, and (b) fake. And if you're not at this stage in the position of being able visually identify which is which, then consider stepping away. Because otherwise you are just asking to be ripped off, probably to the sum of four figures.
1. "a lot more homework" did not refer to a couple of exchanges with strangers on a message board.
What I had in mind was something closer to you doing a year's worth of proactive research, before even thinking about buying higher-end Banksy ephemera.
This reference, without exaggeration, to you being a full year behind (a year away from where a prudent collector should be) may offer a better idea of how scarily uninformed you come across. And why I sense you're so vulnerable to getting defrauded in the Banksy market.
Your entire approach is reckless, if not clueless. And given the amount of money you just spent, the fact a decision was taken to "Buy first, ask authenticity-related questions later" should worry you.
2. In the above context, let's ask ourselves what was meant by "be very, very careful".
I can confirm that two things it didn't mean were:
(i) immediately accepting auction-house lot descriptions at face value; and
(ii) spending ยฃ3,750 at auction later that same day.
D.
well done and glad to help
Query the "well done" remark.
From the photos available of the auction lot, were you able to determine with any certainty that the CD was authentic? I myself was incapable of doing so:
But here are some issues I did notice and consider:
1. The front of the CD case has a missing sticker which should set out the list of spoof song titles. And that sticker is crucial to the whole package โ conceptually, presentation-wise for increased visual interest, and in terms of the work's overall financial value.
Three of the more-likely different explanations for the absent sticker:
(i) the entire piece is fake; (ii) the CD case is not authentic (the original having been replaced with a different case); or (iii) for some inexplicable reason, a previous owner removed the sticker from the CD case.
Even in the best scenario of (iii) above, the end result is comparable to buying a jigsaw puzzle that has missing pieces.
Now, with the front of the CD being the first thing everyone sees, what informed Banksy collector in their right mind would be satisfied with this piece โ unless it was acquired for a substantially-discounted price?
Another point of note is that the auction house lot description makes zero mention of the sticker being absent. This was either a baffling oversight or a deliberate attempt to deceive buyer-clients through omission.
2. Due to the specific properties of the marker used and/or possibly-unsuitable CD storage conditions in the years that followed, the CD no longer has a sharp, clean signature. And while the spreading-grease-stain effect may be interesting in the eyes of some collectors, for me it's about as visually appealing as tattoo blowouts.
3. If given the choice between:
(a) a signature that reads "Paris"; and
(b) another one signed "Pans",
I would chose the former. Any day of the week.
E.
In this instance, it feels necessary to distinguish separate components:
1. CD case: Missing sticker compromises the integrity of the entire piece. Moreover, it raises questions about authenticity, at the very least regarding the CD case itself.
2. CD booklet insert: From the photos, authenticity remains unclear to me. No red flags spotted, but it could still be either genuine or fake.
3. Signed CD: Looks authentic to me, although note the aesthetic comments in points D.2 and D.3 above regarding the signature.
For the reasons set out in point 1 alone, in my opinion you made a poor purchase decision.
This specific piece is one I would never have seriously considered buying, let alone gone out and spent ยฃ3,750 for it. Keep in mind how frequently complete and visually-more-appealing copies of the CD pop up for sale.
F.
Is there a sticker on the case or not? There should be a sticker .. even in this thread there are 3 different shots of the front of the case. The first shot posted with a large sticker on the top left looks genuine. That sticker should be on the outside of the case not printed on the insert or missing. No sticker, they say there were a couple without stickers.
1. Who specifically is "they"?
2. Who/what exactly is the source of their information?
If it's just the consignor that was trying to offload the piece in the first place, what should this tell you?
3. Have you independently confirmed the information with the source in question, or with any other credible individuals?
4. More generally, how plausible does the assertion "there were a couple [originally] without stickers" really sound to you?
As already mentioned, the sticker with its list of spoof song titles is a critical element of the work. Along with Paris Hilton's bare breasts, it is the first thing viewers are meant to notice when picking up the CD.
So query whether anyone here thinks that, in 2006, Banksy's perfectionist mindset would allow him to just say, "Ah, those two CDs out of 500? Yeah, they're good enough without the sticker."
amsterdam22 โ The fact you don't seem to have asked the auction house the appropriate follow-up questions, or challenged the initial answer you received, must surely be a signal to you that you're out of your depth.
I appreciate these comments may be less-than-pleasant to read. But hopefully my candour will be taken in the cautionary spirit it was intended, not as a gratuitous slight.
Until they reach a position of knowledge self-sufficiency, here are tips for collectors:
Focus on learning more and exercising buyer restraint. Keep away from higher-end Banksy ephemera. Save longer, and set your sights instead on lower-end prints accompanied by a verified Pest Control Office certificate of authenticity.
All that said, sometimes people just need to make their own mistakes, including very expensive ones.
Even the most experienced collectors among us were novices at one point. And, on occasions at the time, many will have also thrown caution to the wind โ buying left, right and centre. In effect, behaving like impatient, excitable puppies with no self-control. I've certainly been there.
G.
If you cannot make your own sound judgement on whether this is legit or not then you should not part with any cash at this stage.
Very nicely put. And far more concise than I was able to manage.
Sorry in advance for the length of what follows. Whenever possible, my objective is to craft standalone posts. But I do understand how trying this may be, especially for members who read the forum on their telephones. A.I'm looking for the first pressing of Paris Hilton CD that Banksy made. Please PM. [...] I would also like to add that ironically, the photo the op has posted in theirIn Search Ofis the fake '2nd' version. Indeed, Terry Fuckwitt, and well-spotted. That fake looks like it could be from the batch released by chancers in early 2008. B.Thanks for your responses. Thought the second pressing was also official. But only the ones with Paris X marked are official and of the 500 edition?
Thatโs correct right?Admittedly, it's a little disheartening to come back and find the key point of my earlier post was missed. What I pretty much had been trying to express was the timeless warning of Alexander Pope that, "A little learning is a dang'rous thing". In other words, superficial knowledge can be perilous because it often gives us a misplaced sense of confidence. We know just enough to think we've understood โ just enough to be oblivious of how frighteningly ignorant we really are. A response to your questions: In a scenario where I was looking to scam you, I would try to sell you a fake Ban ksy Paris Hilton CD with a nicely-forged "Paris X" signature on it. Sound like something a typical fraudster might try? If yes, then here's another question: How could you then take any comfort in the authenticity of one of these CDs, simply based on the fact it had "Paris X" written on it? C.John 11:35 Please forgive the repetition below of parts of my earlier advice dated 17 November. It inevitably risks me coming across as patronising. But the objective is rather to address an apparent need for greater emphasis and clarity. [...] If you're dipping your toes in the market for higher-end Ban ksy ephemera โ which of course lacks the safety net of Pest Control Office oversight โ then you really need to know your onions. My advice would be to do a lot more homework. And to be very, very careful, including when liaising with dealers, galleries and auction houses that are selling purportedly-genuine collectibles without a Pest Control Office COA.With Ban ksy's spoofed Paris Hilton CD of 2006, there was never more than a single release. Official second or third pressings do not exist. The only distinction to therefore focus on is between (a) authentic, and (b) fake. And if you're not at this stage in the position of being able visually identify which is which, then consider stepping away. Because otherwise you are just asking to be ripped off, probably to the sum of four figures. 1. "a lot more homework" did not refer to a couple of exchanges with strangers on a message board. What I had in mind was something closer to you doing a year's worth of proactive research, before even thinking about buying higher-end Ban ksy ephemera. This reference, without exaggeration, to you being a full year behind (a year away from where a prudent collector should be) may offer a better idea of how scarily uninformed you come across. And why I sense you're so vulnerable to getting defrauded in the Ban ksy market. Your entire approach is reckless, if not clueless. And given the amount of money you just spent, the fact a decision was taken to "Buy first, ask authenticity-related questions later" should worry you. 2. In the above context, let's ask ourselves what was meant by "be very, very careful". I can confirm that two things it didn't mean were: (i) immediately accepting auction-house lot descriptions at face value; and (ii) spending ยฃ3,750 at auction later that same day. D.well done and glad to help Query the "well done" remark. From the photos available of the auction lot, were you able to determine with any certainty that the CD was authentic? I myself was incapable of doing so: But here are some issues I did notice and consider:1. The front of the CD case has a missing sticker which should set out the list of spoof song titles. And that sticker is crucial to the whole package โ conceptually, presentation-wise for increased visual interest, and in terms of the work's overall financial value. Three of the more-likely different explanations for the absent sticker: (i) the entire piece is fake; (ii) the CD case is not authentic (the original having been replaced with a different case); or (iii) for some inexplicable reason, a previous owner removed the sticker from the CD case. Even in the best scenario of (iii) above, the end result is comparable to buying a jigsaw puzzle that has missing pieces. Now, with the front of the CD being the first thing everyone sees, what informed Ban ksy collector in their right mind would be satisfied with this piece โ unless it was acquired for a substantially-discounted price? Another point of note is that the auction house lot description makes zero mention of the sticker being absent. This was either a baffling oversight or a deliberate attempt to deceive buyer-clients through omission. 2. Due to the specific properties of the marker used and/or possibly-unsuitable CD storage conditions in the years that followed, the CD no longer has a sharp, clean signature. And while the spreading-grease-stain effect may be interesting in the eyes of some collectors, for me it's about as visually appealing as tattoo blowouts. 3. If given the choice between: (a) a signature that reads "Paris"; and (b) another one signed "Pans", I would chose the former. Any day of the week. E.In this instance, it feels necessary to distinguish separate components: 1. CD case: Missing sticker compromises the integrity of the entire piece. Moreover, it raises questions about authenticity, at the very least regarding the CD case itself. 2. CD booklet insert: From the photos, authenticity remains unclear to me. No red flags spotted, but it could still be either genuine or fake. 3. Signed CD: Looks authentic to me, although note the aesthetic comments in points D.2 and D.3 above regarding the signature. For the reasons set out in point 1 alone, in my opinion you made a poor purchase decision. This specific piece is one I would never have seriously considered buying, let alone gone out and spent ยฃ3,750 for it. Keep in mind how frequently complete and visually-more-appealing copies of the CD pop up for sale. F.Is there a sticker on the case or not? There should be a sticker .. even in this thread there are 3 different shots of the front of the case. The first shot posted with a large sticker on the top left looks genuine. That sticker should be on the outside of the case not printed on the insert or missing. No sticker, they say there were a couple without stickers. 1. Who specifically is "they"? 2. Who/what exactly is the source of their information? If it's just the consignor that was trying to offload the piece in the first place, what should this tell you? 3. Have you independently confirmed the information with the source in question, or with any other credible individuals? 4. More generally, how plausible does the assertion "there were a couple [originally] without stickers" really sound to you? As already mentioned, the sticker with its list of spoof song titles is a critical element of the work. Along with Paris Hilton's bare breasts, it is the first thing viewers are meant to notice when picking up the CD. So query whether anyone here thinks that, in 2006, Ban ksy's perfectionist mindset would allow him to just say, "Ah, those two CDs out of 500? Yeah, they're good enough without the sticker."amsterdam22 โ The fact you don't seem to have asked the auction house the appropriate follow-up questions, or challenged the initial answer you received, must surely be a signal to you that you're out of your depth. I appreciate these comments may be less-than-pleasant to read. But hopefully my candour will be taken in the cautionary spirit it was intended, not as a gratuitous slight. Until they reach a position of knowledge self-sufficiency, here are tips for collectors: Focus on learning more and exercising buyer restraint. Keep away from higher-end Ban ksy ephemera. Save longer, and set your sights instead on lower-end prints accompanied by a verified Pest Control Office certificate of authenticity. All that said, sometimes people just need to make their own mistakes, including very expensive ones. Even the most experienced collectors among us were novices at one point. And, on occasions at the time, many will have also thrown caution to the wind โ buying left, right and centre. In effect, behaving like impatient, excitable puppies with no self-control. I've certainly been there. G.If you cannot make your own sound judgement on whether this is legit or not then you should not part with any cash at this stage. Very nicely put. And far more concise than I was able to manage.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by amsterdam22 on Nov 26, 2021 16:31:44 GMT 1, So. Still looking haha
So. Still looking haha
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Lroy on Dec 10, 2021 20:08:40 GMT 1, ahahah, you collect all of them ! I like the rainbow on the CD.. Missing the Lushsux unicorn... Missed this Pow print then... we can't buy all of them but Lushsux have been chose by Banksy.. .Not ar random, talented Melbourne artist where Banksy was at a moment.
ahahah, you collect all of them ! I like the rainbow on the CD.. Missing the Lushsux unicorn... Missed this Pow print then... we can't buy all of them but Lushsux have been chose by Banksy.. .Not ar random, talented Melbourne artist where Banksy was at a moment.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by vvk on Dec 11, 2021 22:30:20 GMT 1, ahahah, you collect all of them ! I like the rainbow on the CD.. Missing the Lushsux unicorn... Missed this Pow print then... we can't buy all of them but Lushsux have been chose by Banksy.. .Not ar random, talented Melbourne artist where Banksy was at a moment.
thats hot!
ahahah, you collect all of them ! I like the rainbow on the CD.. Missing the Lushsux unicorn... Missed this Pow print then... we can't buy all of them but Lushsux have been chose by Banksy.. .Not ar random, talented Melbourne artist where Banksy was at a moment.
thats hot!
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by Matt 2 ttaM on Dec 20, 2021 16:26:18 GMT 1, Yeah I was considering this CD awhile back but one thing about non-coa items is that unless your absolutely bullet proof youโre leaving yourself open to be burnt down the road.
Especially if you want to keep options open incase you want to fund another purchase in the future.
Yeah I was considering this CD awhile back but one thing about non-coa items is that unless your absolutely bullet proof youโre leaving yourself open to be burnt down the road.
Especially if you want to keep options open incase you want to fund another purchase in the future.
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Banksy Paris Hilton CD, by met on Dec 21, 2021 14:18:15 GMT 1, Yeah I was considering this CD awhile back but one thing about non-coa items is that unless your absolutely bullet proof youโre leaving yourself open to be burnt down the road. Especially if you want to keep options open incase you want to fund another purchase in the future.
I would concur.
Counterfeits in the Banksy market are pervasive, including pretty convincing ones โ whether described as "Banksy" studio originals, street pieces, stencils, prints, posters, postcards, stickers, Di-Faced Tenners, handsprayed record covers (e.g. The Capoiera Twins' 4 x 3 single, or Royksopp's Melody A.M. double LP), Paris Hilton CDs, Dismaland-stamped currency and so-called "found art", Walled Off Hotel box sets, Gross Domestic Product spraypaint cans, apparel, certificates of authenticity, or whatnot.
And this was largely already the case even before Pest Control Office was established in early 2008, now 14 years ago.
Moreover, a separate troublesome issue is the seeming hubris shown by a fair number of less-experienced Banksy enthusiasts. They typically know a decent amount about the artist's work, but delude themselves into believing they know far more. Members familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect will be aware that ignorance fails to recognise itself.
And when this mindset is combined with wishful thinking along with an impatient excitement to build a Banksy collection right now, the scope for expensive mistakes being made is considerable.
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Of additional concern is unearned deference frequently awarded to dealers or auction house representatives, simply due to the positions they hold, or name recognition of the entities they represent.
For example, with titles like Director, Senior Specialist or Urban Art Specialist, easily-false assumptions can be made that the relevant professionals are actually competent in their field. That they know what they're doing. And what they're talking about.
But the reality is that many of these people are just playing a game of Fake it 'til you make it. When it comes to Banksy, their knowledge levels would be greatly surpassed by a good dozen contributors on this forum.
And so โ leaving aside for this purpose the cases of outright fraud โ a very real risk of the blind leading the blind is one reason why it is often reckless for businesses to deal in purported Banksy works (emphasis on "purported") that are unaccompanied by Pest Control Office certificates of authenticity.
[Comparable arguments apply to businesses that choose to repeatedly sell uncertificated, purported Basquiat or Haring sketches, drawings or paintings.]
Indeed, verified COAs offer buyers a welcome safety net, helping to compensate for professional salespeople:
(i) who may lack the requisite knowhow;
(ii) whose due diligence skills may be wanting or inadequate; and/or
(iii) who may be overly keen to take at face value the assurances of their client consignors with respect to provenance and authenticity, especially when suspect items are but one part of a larger consignment of multiple works.
Purported Banksy items that fail to qualify for potential certification โ because Pest Control Office doesn't deem them commercial works of art by the artist โ broadly consist of street pieces and ephemera.
Unsurprisingly, given the possible financial rewards and a lack of oversight from a competent and legitimate authority, this broad realm of uncertificated purported Banksys is disproportionately occupied by scammers, disingenuous chancers, slopsuckers and fools. As such, a proper minefield.
And due to the unpalatable company it would be keeping, any enterprise choosing to capitalise on this free-for-all of a market may also have difficulty simply retaining the mere appearance of being reputable.
An example for illustration purposes
Take Julien's Auctions in California โ a business with a significant track record for selling uncertificated works, some of them being patent fakes.**
At a certain point in the future, I might consider purchasing an item, and then learn it had once been sold through Julien's Auctions.
Now, rather than inspiring confidence, that provenance would instead give me reason for pause. It would be a red flag, pushing me to intensify my due diligence and verification efforts. And even if fully comfortable regarding authenticity, in my mind the item would remain slightly tainted by its historical association with an auction house I genuinely believe to be dodgy.
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Coming back to the Banksy Paris Hilton CDs, there could well be more counterfeits in circulation than real ones. The first fakes I became aware of were released in early 2008. At the time, @alittlebird gave forum members a helpful heads-up*:
These are in no way authorised by Ban ksy. There are currently 3 for sale on eb ay. Avoid.
With prices as they currently are (some CDs appear to have sold in the region of ยฃ3,000โยฃ3,750), if someone here ended up with a bogus copy, it would be depressing for them. That's a risky punt for anybody who isn't absolutely certain they know what they're buying. And by this I mean independently certain โ where reliance isn't solely placed on the soothing words of a random salesperson who never had a direct connection with the artist.
And while not being especially interesting to me in and of itself, pricing still catches my attention when it ties in with greater concerns, like authenticity issues or market machinations.
I am already aware of the Paris Hilton CD that Laz Emporium has listed for ยฃ10,000*:
lazemporium.com/products/paris
But has any member by chance kept a record of the highest publicly-verifiable price that one of these CDs has sold for?
If so, many thanks in advance if you could kindly post the relevant link.
Spending so much money on a purported Banksy without a COA from Pest Control Office would require the buyer to be especially well-informed. Or naive and gullible. Or just tragically stupid.
Yeah I was considering this CD awhile back but one thing about non-coa items is that unless your absolutely bullet proof youโre leaving yourself open to be burnt down the road. Especially if you want to keep options open incase you want to fund another purchase in the future. I would concur. Counterfeits in the Banksy market are pervasive, including pretty convincing ones โ whether described as "Ban ksy" studio originals, street pieces, stencils, prints, posters, postcards, stickers, Di-Faced Tenners, handsprayed record covers (e.g. The Capoiera Twins' 4 x 3 single, or Royksopp's Melody A.M. double LP), Paris Hilton CDs, Dismaland-stamped currency and so-called "found art", Walled Off Hotel box sets, Gross Domestic Product spraypaint cans, apparel, certificates of authenticity, or whatnot. And this was largely already the case even before Pest Control Office was established in early 2008, now 14 years ago. Moreover, a separate troublesome issue is the seeming hubris shown by a fair number of less-experienced Ban ksy enthusiasts. They typically know a decent amount about the artist's work, but delude themselves into believing they know far more. Members familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect will be aware that ignorance fails to recognise itself. And when this mindset is combined with wishful thinking along with an impatient excitement to build a Ban ksy collection right now, the scope for expensive mistakes being made is considerable. __________ Of additional concern is unearned deference frequently awarded to dealers or auction house representatives, simply due to the positions they hold, or name recognition of the entities they represent. For example, with titles like Director, Senior Specialist or Ur ban Art Specialist, easily-false assumptions can be made that the relevant professionals are actually competent in their field. That they know what they're doing. And what they're talking about. But the reality is that many of these people are just playing a game of Fake it 'til you make it. When it comes to Ban ksy, their knowledge levels would be greatly surpassed by a good dozen contributors on this forum. And so โ leaving aside for this purpose the cases of outright fraud โ a very real risk of the blind leading the blind is one reason why it is often reckless for businesses to deal in purported Ban ksy works (emphasis on "purported") that are unaccompanied by Pest Control Office certificates of authenticity. [Comparable arguments apply to businesses that choose to repeatedly sell uncertificated, purported Basquiat or Haring sketches, drawings or paintings.]Indeed, verified COAs offer buyers a welcome safety net, helping to compensate for professional salespeople: (i) who may lack the requisite knowhow; (ii) whose due diligence skills may be wanting or inadequate; and/or (iii) who may be overly keen to take at face value the assurances of their client consignors with respect to provenance and authenticity, especially when suspect items are but one part of a larger consignment of multiple works. Purported Ban ksy items that fail to qualify for potential certification โ because Pest Control Office doesn't deem them commercial works of art by the artist โ broadly consist of street pieces and ephemera. Unsurprisingly, given the possible financial rewards and a lack of oversight from a competent and legitimate authority, this broad realm of uncertificated purported Banksys is disproportionately occupied by scammers, disingenuous chancers, slopsuckers and fools. As such, a proper minefield. And due to the unpalatable company it would be keeping, any enterprise choosing to capitalise on this free-for-all of a market may also have difficulty simply retaining the mere appearance of being reputable. An example for illustration purposesTake Julien's Auctions in California โ a business with a significant track record for selling uncertificated works, some of them being patent fakes. **At a certain point in the future, I might consider purchasing an item, and then learn it had once been sold through Julien's Auctions. Now, rather than inspiring confidence, that provenance would instead give me reason for pause. It would be a red flag, pushing me to intensify my due diligence and verification efforts. And even if fully comfortable regarding authenticity, in my mind the item would remain slightly tainted by its historical association with an auction house I genuinely believe to be dodgy. __________ Coming back to the Ban ksy Paris Hilton CDs, there could well be more counterfeits in circulation than real ones. The first fakes I became aware of were released in early 2008. At the time, @alittlebird gave forum members a helpful heads-up *: These are in no way authorised by Ban ksy. There are currently 3 for sale on eb ay. Avoid. With prices as they currently are (some CDs appear to have sold in the region of ยฃ3,000โยฃ3,750), if someone here ended up with a bogus copy, it would be depressing for them. That's a risky punt for anybody who isn't absolutely certain they know what they're buying. And by this I mean independently certain โ where reliance isn't solely placed on the soothing words of a random salesperson who never had a direct connection with the artist. And while not being especially interesting to me in and of itself, pricing still catches my attention when it ties in with greater concerns, like authenticity issues or market machinations. I am already aware of the Paris Hilton CD that Laz Emporium has listed for ยฃ10,000*: lazemporium.com/products/parisBut has any member by chance kept a record of the highest publicly-verifiable price that one of these CDs has sold for? If so, many thanks in advance if you could kindly post the relevant link. Spending so much money on a purported Ban ksy without a COA from Pest Control Office would require the buyer to be especially well-informed. Or naive and gullible. Or just tragically stupid.
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