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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 22:57:02 GMT 1, i'm sorry but i dont understand the point your trying to make. Nick Walker to blame for what?. he can sell stuff for whatever he wants cant he? indeed he can, but now whats going to happen for his next show? artists very rarely if ever lower their prices, and imo, and people who were at the auctions opinion, is that he priced his work too high, too high a jump all of a sudden on the back of one auction if im correct, pretty much the majority of his work was done in edition canvases, which, again imo, hints a little at greed, trying to make as much money as possible, so i think come his next show, he might struggle to either sell out or maintain the consistancy of his already high primary market prices
I wouldnt be concerned about nicks prices at the next show. i'm more interested in seeing what happens after the Vandal leaves the scene.
hes made enough bucks to not worry too much about these auctions tonight. i believe that estimates were too high. We are in a pretty bad situation economically,surely is to blame and not Nick Himself??
i'm sorry but i dont understand the point your trying to make. Nick Walker to blame for what?. he can sell stuff for whatever he wants cant he? indeed he can, but now whats going to happen for his next show? artists very rarely if ever lower their prices, and imo, and people who were at the auctions opinion, is that he priced his work too high, too high a jump all of a sudden on the back of one auction if im correct, pretty much the majority of his work was done in edition canvases, which, again imo, hints a little at greed, trying to make as much money as possible, so i think come his next show, he might struggle to either sell out or maintain the consistancy of his already high primary market prices I wouldnt be concerned about nicks prices at the next show. i'm more interested in seeing what happens after the Vandal leaves the scene. hes made enough bucks to not worry too much about these auctions tonight. i believe that estimates were too high. We are in a pretty bad situation economically,surely is to blame and not Nick Himself?? |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by graeme501 on Oct 14, 2008 23:00:57 GMT 1, yeah, the ecconomy hasnt helped, but if the canvases were not Β£5k each to begin with, then the estimates wouldnt be as high
all im saying is that nick set his prices at primary market, and when there was lots of hype, and seeing the moona sell for 50k, people were buying, now, when everything has died down a little, people are saying no thanks to nick walker at those prices
yeah, the ecconomy hasnt helped, but if the canvases were not Β£5k each to begin with, then the estimates wouldnt be as high
all im saying is that nick set his prices at primary market, and when there was lots of hype, and seeing the moona sell for 50k, people were buying, now, when everything has died down a little, people are saying no thanks to nick walker at those prices
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by moleman on Oct 14, 2008 23:02:16 GMT 1, nicks prints are great i cant coment on his canvases (puds are good) butstop bringing up moona in the last dreweatts he done really well sold well above
Nicks work like many others suffered i think the sellers are to blame thinking ill buy for 8k and sell for 10k in three months
the world dont spin the same all the time nick has dropped sohave many more. If youwant safe money buy banksy
to me his work is not worth my wall as i dont like a large percent of it (thats my opinion) but its were the safe money is.
BUT would it not be an uninteresting forum if all you heard of was the big b
move on guys and gals it may comeback it may not its your money will you all buy the next brp print mmmmmmmmmmmm
nicks prints are great i cant coment on his canvases (puds are good) butstop bringing up moona in the last dreweatts he done really well sold well above
Nicks work like many others suffered i think the sellers are to blame thinking ill buy for 8k and sell for 10k in three months
the world dont spin the same all the time nick has dropped sohave many more. If youwant safe money buy banksy
to me his work is not worth my wall as i dont like a large percent of it (thats my opinion) but its were the safe money is.
BUT would it not be an uninteresting forum if all you heard of was the big b
move on guys and gals it may comeback it may not its your money will you all buy the next brp print mmmmmmmmmmmm
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by burnz on Oct 14, 2008 23:02:28 GMT 1, all cashing in on their shows and the flippers hit rock bottom 
as banksy would say can't believe you morons actually buy this shit
banksys new show puts out a message to the world the other shows Ive seen these last few months is how fast they can sell their prints and stock gallery's
all cashing in on their shows and the flippers hit rock bottom as banksy would say can't believe you morons actually buy this shit banksys new show puts out a message to the world the other shows Ive seen these last few months is how fast they can sell their prints and stock gallery's |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by onemandown72 on Oct 14, 2008 23:03:32 GMT 1, yeah, the ecconomy hasnt helped, but if the canvases were not Β£5k each to begin with, then the estimates wouldnt be as high all im saying is that nick set his prices at primary market, and when there was lots of hype, and seeing the moona sell for 50k, people were buying, now, when everything has died down a little, people are saying no thanks to nick walker at those prices
So whose greedy here, Nick & BRP for the pricing, or buyers after a quick buck snapping the pieces up to sell on within 6 months at auction houses inexperienced in street art?
yeah, the ecconomy hasnt helped, but if the canvases were not Β£5k each to begin with, then the estimates wouldnt be as high all im saying is that nick set his prices at primary market, and when there was lots of hype, and seeing the moona sell for 50k, people were buying, now, when everything has died down a little, people are saying no thanks to nick walker at those prices So whose greedy here, Nick & BRP for the pricing, or buyers after a quick buck snapping the pieces up to sell on within 6 months at auction houses inexperienced in street art? |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by graeme501 on Oct 14, 2008 23:07:03 GMT 1, yeah, the ecconomy hasnt helped, but if the canvases were not Β£5k each to begin with, then the estimates wouldnt be as high all im saying is that nick set his prices at primary market, and when there was lots of hype, and seeing the moona sell for 50k, people were buying, now, when everything has died down a little, people are saying no thanks to nick walker at those prices So whose greedy here, Nick & BRP for the pricing, or buyers after a quick buck snapping the pieces up to sell on within 6 months at auction houses inexperienced in street art?
exactly - nick and brp have set their prices, and the people that have tried to make a quick buck have been caught out, but this is at the expense of nick walker's fans, who had to pay over the odds for his work, and were in many cases priced out
yeah, the ecconomy hasnt helped, but if the canvases were not Β£5k each to begin with, then the estimates wouldnt be as high all im saying is that nick set his prices at primary market, and when there was lots of hype, and seeing the moona sell for 50k, people were buying, now, when everything has died down a little, people are saying no thanks to nick walker at those prices So whose greedy here, Nick & BRP for the pricing, or buyers after a quick buck snapping the pieces up to sell on within 6 months at auction houses inexperienced in street art? exactly - nick and brp have set their prices, and the people that have tried to make a quick buck have been caught out, but this is at the expense of nick walker's fans, who had to pay over the odds for his work, and were in many cases priced out |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by oe32 on Oct 14, 2008 23:11:46 GMT 1, Anyone any idea on the Paul Insect bits?
Anyone any idea on the Paul Insect bits?
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by afroken on Oct 14, 2008 23:13:08 GMT 1, Seems to me that, on balance, prices are pretty stable overall. Not a lot of things you can say that about these days.
You can't expect to buy something, with VAT added, then sell it at a profit, with a 25% buyer's fee and VAT again on top within less than a year.
A Β£5,000 piece from a primary gallery would need to be sold for about Β£7,600 at auction before you even saw a penny of profit! That's a price increase on over 50% in less than a year. Hello? Do these people not read the papers?
Seems to me that, on balance, prices are pretty stable overall. Not a lot of things you can say that about these days.
You can't expect to buy something, with VAT added, then sell it at a profit, with a 25% buyer's fee and VAT again on top within less than a year.
A Β£5,000 piece from a primary gallery would need to be sold for about Β£7,600 at auction before you even saw a penny of profit! That's a price increase on over 50% in less than a year. Hello? Do these people not read the papers?
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by pfffffffffft on Oct 14, 2008 23:13:18 GMT 1, Anyone have a link to the full results? Would love to see the final hammer prices.
Anyone have a link to the full results? Would love to see the final hammer prices.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Cocteau 101 on Oct 14, 2008 23:13:50 GMT 1, The problem here is the scene is too young for auctions that solely concentrate on the one genre. Although Dreweatts may well be an established auction house, it is not a major player and consequently their audience is limited. As for Nick Walker his work has sold well at major auction houses that attract a different client base and will continue to do so.
Additionally, some artists will disassociate themselves from the scene in time, Parla, Micallef etc who in my view regard themselves as fine artists anyway.
Add to the fact that everyone is watching what they spend and you have results like tonight.
The problem here is the scene is too young for auctions that solely concentrate on the one genre. Although Dreweatts may well be an established auction house, it is not a major player and consequently their audience is limited. As for Nick Walker his work has sold well at major auction houses that attract a different client base and will continue to do so.
Additionally, some artists will disassociate themselves from the scene in time, Parla, Micallef etc who in my view regard themselves as fine artists anyway.
Add to the fact that everyone is watching what they spend and you have results like tonight.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Rsyok on Oct 14, 2008 23:18:51 GMT 1, Did Cyclops sell please?
Nice one silky for coverage
Did Cyclops sell please?
Nice one silky for coverage
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by cityman on Oct 14, 2008 23:21:20 GMT 1, i think a lot of chickens may have come home to roost..... Banksy is a global name, numero uno... the vast majority are riding the shirt tales and are being shaken off.
i think a lot of chickens may have come home to roost..... Banksy is a global name, numero uno... the vast majority are riding the shirt tales and are being shaken off.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by funster on Oct 14, 2008 23:44:48 GMT 1, Anyone have a link to the full results? Would love to see the final hammer prices.
Bump
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by aginghippie on Oct 14, 2008 23:46:08 GMT 1, Nick Walker's work was well priced by the Carmichael Gallery in February, I bought one piece and would have bought another if Bonham's auction hadn't dropped in the middle of the show and made all the people who were dithering suddenly jump in. I can't comment on his show at BRP as I never saw the catalogue or prices but I will be interested in his show in NYC next year.
Nick Walker's work was well priced by the Carmichael Gallery in February, I bought one piece and would have bought another if Bonham's auction hadn't dropped in the middle of the show and made all the people who were dithering suddenly jump in. I can't comment on his show at BRP as I never saw the catalogue or prices but I will be interested in his show in NYC next year.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by funster on Oct 14, 2008 23:50:09 GMT 1, What did the Os Gemeos sell for?
What did the Os Gemeos sell for?
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by graeme501 on Oct 15, 2008 0:03:46 GMT 1, think it was around Β£25k?
think it was around Β£25k?
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by funster on Oct 15, 2008 0:05:46 GMT 1, Thanks Seems a good price - although I guess by the time you add 25% it all adds up to quite a lot.
Thanks Seems a good price - although I guess by the time you add 25% it all adds up to quite a lot. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by guest2 on Oct 15, 2008 0:16:09 GMT 1, What did the Os Gemeos sell for?
24k on the hammer.
What did the Os Gemeos sell for? 24k on the hammer. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by master on Oct 15, 2008 0:45:26 GMT 1, Anyone have a link to the full results? Would love to see the final hammer prices.
They haven't updated their site yet but should be there by tomorrow:
www.dnfa.com/auctions.asp?view=prevsale
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by master on Oct 15, 2008 0:48:48 GMT 1, Anyone any idea on the Paul Insect bits?
SEX TOYS 1 (PRINT)SOLD FOR 350.00
SEX TOYS 2 (PRINT)SOLD FOR 300.00
SEX TOYS 3 (PRINT)SOLD FOR 300.00
Anyone any idea on the Paul Insect bits? SEX TOYS 1 (PRINT)SOLD FOR 350.00 SEX TOYS 2 (PRINT)SOLD FOR 300.00 SEX TOYS 3 (PRINT)SOLD FOR 300.00 |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by suburbangangstar on Oct 15, 2008 1:18:21 GMT 1, YET ANOTHER REALITY CHECK FOR THE REMAINING HYPESTERS. NO MORE ARTISTS BEING HYPED TO NO END FUELING ARTIFICIAL PRICES. WHO SPENT 10,000gbp ON GUY DENNING A FEW MONTHS BACK? A BIG OUCH AS THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR THE PRICING ASIDE FROM HYPE. LOOK AT PARLA, THE LATEST "UNTOUCHABLE" HE DIDNT BOMB BUT FOR HIS FIRST PIECE AT AUCTION CERTAINLY DIDNT MEET THE BS HYPE SPEWED BY OVERNIGHT ART FANS ON THIS FORUM.
YET ANOTHER REALITY CHECK FOR THE REMAINING HYPESTERS. NO MORE ARTISTS BEING HYPED TO NO END FUELING ARTIFICIAL PRICES. WHO SPENT 10,000gbp ON GUY DENNING A FEW MONTHS BACK? A BIG OUCH AS THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR THE PRICING ASIDE FROM HYPE. LOOK AT PARLA, THE LATEST "UNTOUCHABLE" HE DIDNT BOMB BUT FOR HIS FIRST PIECE AT AUCTION CERTAINLY DIDNT MEET THE BS HYPE SPEWED BY OVERNIGHT ART FANS ON THIS FORUM.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Photoxtc on Oct 15, 2008 1:45:09 GMT 1, YET ANOTHER REALITY CHECK FOR THE REMAINING HYPESTERS. NO MORE ARTISTS BEING HYPED TO NO END FUELING ARTIFICIAL PRICES. WHO SPENT 10,000gbp ON GUY DENNING A FEW MONTHS BACK? A BIG OUCH AS THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR THE PRICING ASIDE FROM HYPE. LOOK AT PARLA, THE LATEST "UNTOUCHABLE" HE DIDNT BOMB BUT FOR HIS FIRST PIECE AT AUCTION CERTAINLY DIDNT MEET THE BS HYPE SPEWED BY OVERNIGHT ART FANS ON THIS FORUM.
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you??? But you are a Tool, I'll give you that... 
Go get em you angry little "Gang-Star"
YET ANOTHER REALITY CHECK FOR THE REMAINING HYPESTERS. NO MORE ARTISTS BEING HYPED TO NO END FUELING ARTIFICIAL PRICES. WHO SPENT 10,000gbp ON GUY DENNING A FEW MONTHS BACK? A BIG OUCH AS THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR THE PRICING ASIDE FROM HYPE. LOOK AT PARLA, THE LATEST "UNTOUCHABLE" HE DIDNT BOMB BUT FOR HIS FIRST PIECE AT AUCTION CERTAINLY DIDNT MEET THE BS HYPE SPEWED BY OVERNIGHT ART FANS ON THIS FORUM. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you??? But you are a Tool, I'll give you that... Go get em you angry little "Gang-Star" |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by stillborncrisps on Oct 15, 2008 1:53:19 GMT 1, Banksy (British, b. 1975) Happy Choppers, 2003, Screenprint, Signed in pen and dated ‘03 - Β£4,200 Anything wrong with it?
The framing looked like it had been done at home.
Anyone catch what the Guy Denning Flag Red went for? (lot 74)
Banksy (British, b. 1975) Happy Choppers, 2003, Screenprint, Signed in pen and dated ‘03 - Β£4,200 Anything wrong with it? The framing looked like it had been done at home. Anyone catch what the Guy Denning Flag Red went for? (lot 74) |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Philippe on Oct 15, 2008 1:58:05 GMT 1, haha nice one photo, I really don't think this was the best auction or time to make a judgement on how Parla's star will shine.
The Faile's all did well asides from that one on cardboard, which you can't expect much from to begin with. I can't wrap my head around how the Happy Chopper's sold for so little but then again with the current state of our economies, you can comprehend how.
I have to say though my favorite part about the day was how each NW didn't sell, that was the truest answer for me on today's news.
haha nice one photo, I really don't think this was the best auction or time to make a judgement on how Parla's star will shine.
The Faile's all did well asides from that one on cardboard, which you can't expect much from to begin with. I can't wrap my head around how the Happy Chopper's sold for so little but then again with the current state of our economies, you can comprehend how.
I have to say though my favorite part about the day was how each NW didn't sell, that was the truest answer for me on today's news.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Photoxtc on Oct 15, 2008 2:02:40 GMT 1, The framing looked like it had been done at home. Anyone catch what the Guy Denning Flag Red went for? (lot 74)
Red Flag didn't meet reserve
The framing looked like it had been done at home. Anyone catch what the Guy Denning Flag Red went for? (lot 74) Red Flag didn't meet reserve |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by pfffffffffft on Oct 15, 2008 2:03:10 GMT 1, haha nice one photo, I really don't think this was the best auction or time to make a judgement on how Parla's star will shine. The Faile's all did well asides from that one on cardboard, which you can't expect much from to begin with. I can't wrap my head around how the Happy Chopper's sold for so little but then again with the current state of our economies, you can comprehend how. I have to say though my favorite part about the day was how each NW didn't sell, that was the truest answer for me on today's news.
Oh, do you have the results on the failes? would be curious to see how they did.
haha nice one photo, I really don't think this was the best auction or time to make a judgement on how Parla's star will shine. The Faile's all did well asides from that one on cardboard, which you can't expect much from to begin with. I can't wrap my head around how the Happy Chopper's sold for so little but then again with the current state of our economies, you can comprehend how. I have to say though my favorite part about the day was how each NW didn't sell, that was the truest answer for me on today's news. Oh, do you have the results on the failes? would be curious to see how they did. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by snausages on Oct 15, 2008 2:03:39 GMT 1, Go get em you angry little "Gang-Star" The all caps is a touch annoying but his sentiment is pretty accurate. And not 100% trustworthy are the final two parla bids coming in over the internet. The hammer price is more than fair though, considering I was offered a similar watercolour from Elms for about Β£4k 6 months ago. Price has already more than doubled. No offense to Parla, but hasn't anyone learned anything from the dozens of previous pump and dump hype ups we've already seen? How much more do his prices have to jump before they see a major correction too?
Go get em you angry little "Gang-Star" The all caps is a touch annoying but his sentiment is pretty accurate. And not 100% trustworthy are the final two parla bids coming in over the internet. The hammer price is more than fair though, considering I was offered a similar watercolour from Elms for about Β£4k 6 months ago. Price has already more than doubled. No offense to Parla, but hasn't anyone learned anything from the dozens of previous pump and dump hype ups we've already seen? How much more do his prices have to jump before they see a major correction too? |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by jB on Oct 15, 2008 2:42:03 GMT 1, snausages -- you are spot on
snausages -- you are spot on
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Photoxtc on Oct 15, 2008 3:14:07 GMT 1, Go get em you angry little "Gang-Star" The all caps is a touch annoying but his sentiment is pretty accurate. And not 100% trustworthy are the final two parla bids coming in over the internet. The hammer price is more than fair though, considering I was offered a similar watercolour from Elms for about Β£4k 6 months ago. Price has already more than doubled. No offense to Parla, but hasn't anyone learned anything from the dozens of previous pump and dump hype ups we've already seen? How much more do his prices have to jump before they see a major correction too? I would say it's more about the negitive manner in which the point was conveyed, more so than the subject matter... Dewreatts and this economy are two bad examples of where people think the art market should be and when I say Art market I'm referring this this very small art scene in which we are focusing on at the moment... I personally don't follow the hype nor do I really care what kind of results are had from auctions, they don't mean much to me as I buy what I like to see on my walls and I will pay what it's worth to me...
Go get em you angry little "Gang-Star" The all caps is a touch annoying but his sentiment is pretty accurate. And not 100% trustworthy are the final two parla bids coming in over the internet. The hammer price is more than fair though, considering I was offered a similar watercolour from Elms for about Β£4k 6 months ago. Price has already more than doubled. No offense to Parla, but hasn't anyone learned anything from the dozens of previous pump and dump hype ups we've already seen? How much more do his prices have to jump before they see a major correction too? I would say it's more about the negitive manner in which the point was conveyed, more so than the subject matter... Dewreatts and this economy are two bad examples of where people think the art market should be and when I say Art market I'm referring this this very small art scene in which we are focusing on at the moment... I personally don't follow the hype nor do I really care what kind of results are had from auctions, they don't mean much to me as I buy what I like to see on my walls and I will pay what it's worth to me... |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by mose on Oct 15, 2008 3:23:19 GMT 1, No offense to Parla, but hasn't anyone learned anything from the dozens of previous pump and dump hype ups we've already seen? How much more do his prices have to jump before they see a major correction too?
Snarky to say, but Parla is not British and neither is his primary market, and he is not a 'street artist' so I strongly doubt he will really be caught too badly in the London post-9/11 art silliness that many bemoan on these forums. And I am curious as to what previous pumps you would compare his rise to.
IMO, this horrible little auction was easy to predict as a failure. You don't stud a dung heap with a few diamonds and expect white-glove wearing people to come running with money. Despite all going against this auction, a minor work-on-paper by Parla in the wrong auction at the wrong time at the wrong place, still sold for the new gallery retail.
Nothing shameful but hopefully it dissuades people from rushing to bad auction houses with work that is just too soon. That whole trend becomes bad for artists, bad for auction houses, and, in the long-run, bad for sellers and collectors.
I just hope it dies off before artists like Neate, Parla, Micallef, etc., who are truly talented, suffer serious harm.
No offense to Parla, but hasn't anyone learned anything from the dozens of previous pump and dump hype ups we've already seen? How much more do his prices have to jump before they see a major correction too? Snarky to say, but Parla is not British and neither is his primary market, and he is not a 'street artist' so I strongly doubt he will really be caught too badly in the London post-9/11 art silliness that many bemoan on these forums. And I am curious as to what previous pumps you would compare his rise to. IMO, this horrible little auction was easy to predict as a failure. You don't stud a dung heap with a few diamonds and expect white-glove wearing people to come running with money. Despite all going against this auction, a minor work-on-paper by Parla in the wrong auction at the wrong time at the wrong place, still sold for the new gallery retail. Nothing shameful but hopefully it dissuades people from rushing to bad auction houses with work that is just too soon. That whole trend becomes bad for artists, bad for auction houses, and, in the long-run, bad for sellers and collectors. I just hope it dies off before artists like Neate, Parla, Micallef, etc., who are truly talented, suffer serious harm. |
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