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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by RBK on Oct 5, 2008 6:40:42 GMT 1, snausages - you couldn't be wronger. Elms doesn't skimp on these high quality books. If you don't want to pay for the book how about you just go and take some photos?
snausages - you couldn't be wronger. Elms doesn't skimp on these high quality books. If you don't want to pay for the book how about you just go and take some photos?
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by worlddomination on Oct 5, 2008 10:50:20 GMT 1, the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed
WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4
the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4 |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by guest2 on Oct 5, 2008 10:57:40 GMT 1, I look forward to seeing the Jose prints. Anyway Frankie, you don't need them as you have 2 beauties of your own. c**t! 
3 ;D
I look forward to seeing the Jose prints. Anyway Frankie, you don't need them as you have 2 beauties of your own. c**t! 3 ;D |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by worlddomination on Oct 5, 2008 11:01:02 GMT 1, I can't believe all the people defending this book at £90 unsigned and a run of 1000. The Neate and Engish book was produced ok but no way was it high quality. The Parla book from Italy now that was high quality limited to a numbered signed edition of 100 and it was about £90. Don't forget the greater the print run the less the unit cost. I'm not buying at £90 it's just too much money.
I can't believe all the people defending this book at £90 unsigned and a run of 1000. The Neate and Engish book was produced ok but no way was it high quality. The Parla book from Italy now that was high quality limited to a numbered signed edition of 100 and it was about £90. Don't forget the greater the print run the less the unit cost. I'm not buying at £90 it's just too much money.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by onemandown72 on Oct 5, 2008 11:43:35 GMT 1, I can't believe all the people defending this book at £90 unsigned and a run of 1000. The Neate and Engish book was produced ok but no way was it high quality. The Parla book from Italy now that was high quality limited to a numbered signed edition of 100 and it was about £90. Don't forget the greater the print run the less the unit cost. I'm not buying at £90 it's just too much money.
I agree that £90 for an unsigned book seems pretty steep, yet without seeing it in the flesh i'll reserve judgement. If could well be a thing of absolute beauty, time will tell.
Ultimately Parla hasn't to date milked his growing success by chucking out untold print releases, second rate originals. In my mind he has been incredibly selective about how his work has come to market, so it would surprise me to see him doing it via a book release. Surely if profiteering was the goal Elms would have just released a sh*t load of prints in conjunction with the exhibition for an horribly overpriced sum
I can't believe all the people defending this book at £90 unsigned and a run of 1000. The Neate and Engish book was produced ok but no way was it high quality. The Parla book from Italy now that was high quality limited to a numbered signed edition of 100 and it was about £90. Don't forget the greater the print run the less the unit cost. I'm not buying at £90 it's just too much money. I agree that £90 for an unsigned book seems pretty steep, yet without seeing it in the flesh i'll reserve judgement. If could well be a thing of absolute beauty, time will tell. Ultimately Parla hasn't to date milked his growing success by chucking out untold print releases, second rate originals. In my mind he has been incredibly selective about how his work has come to market, so it would surprise me to see him doing it via a book release. Surely if profiteering was the goal Elms would have just released a sh*t load of prints in conjunction with the exhibition for an horribly overpriced sum |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by curiousgeorge on Oct 5, 2008 13:30:14 GMT 1, the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4
Is that a guess or a fact? My guess would be it costs way more then £4 (just a guess)
the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4 Is that a guess or a fact? My guess would be it costs way more then £4 (just a guess) |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by singerstu on Oct 5, 2008 14:29:58 GMT 1, the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed
This book is alot more complex than the previous ones with pull out pages etc. Elms probably wont make any money on the book after production costs and the freebies they will have to give away. In reality they are doing it so we can all have one. No one is being forced to spend what is clearly a lot of money but if you think its too much dont buy one.
the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed This book is alot more complex than the previous ones with pull out pages etc. Elms probably wont make any money on the book after production costs and the freebies they will have to give away. In reality they are doing it so we can all have one. No one is being forced to spend what is clearly a lot of money but if you think its too much dont buy one. |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by snausages on Oct 5, 2008 14:43:08 GMT 1, snausages - you couldn't be wronger. Elms doesn't skimp on these high quality books. If you don't want to pay for the book how about you just go and take some photos?
when you go and make a book, you can decide to make something that most people can afford or you can make something a luxury item that only few people can afford. And it is quite possible to make a nice book well under $180
snausages - you couldn't be wronger. Elms doesn't skimp on these high quality books. If you don't want to pay for the book how about you just go and take some photos? when you go and make a book, you can decide to make something that most people can afford or you can make something a luxury item that only few people can afford. And it is quite possible to make a nice book well under $180 |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by Filipino Box Spring Hog on Oct 5, 2008 15:20:02 GMT 1, I don't think the book price is high at all. Look at the price of some other artists' books that are not in this scene and then decide how "overpriced" this is....I think you'll find it's a bargain.
I don't think the book price is high at all. Look at the price of some other artists' books that are not in this scene and then decide how "overpriced" this is....I think you'll find it's a bargain.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by graeme501 on Oct 5, 2008 15:25:12 GMT 1, the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4
i can guarentee that the company that elms use to do their books charge £35-40 per copy as the quality is so high, dont just go shouting your mouth off when u dont know what ur talking about
the profit they made on the neate and english books could only have been a few pounds, it costs £40 a book to get them produced and printed WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4 i can guarentee that the company that elms use to do their books charge £35-40 per copy as the quality is so high, dont just go shouting your mouth off when u dont know what ur talking about |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by nattymatt on Oct 5, 2008 15:43:48 GMT 1, bloody 'ell...some right moaners on here.
If you think its too much, don't buy one. If you can't afford it...shame.
If you really want one, you'll pay whatever it costs....
I can't wait to see one, hopefully signed as his work is awesome.
Don'tforget some plum was on about paying a few hundred quid for banksy's early books.....now that blokes mental.
bloody 'ell...some right moaners on here.
If you think its too much, don't buy one. If you can't afford it...shame.
If you really want one, you'll pay whatever it costs....
I can't wait to see one, hopefully signed as his work is awesome.
Don'tforget some plum was on about paying a few hundred quid for banksy's early books.....now that blokes mental.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by dotdot on Oct 5, 2008 15:49:58 GMT 1, WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4 i can guarentee that the company that elms use to do their books charge £35-40 per copy as the quality is so high, dont just go shouting your mouth off when u dont know what ur talking about
oy calm down.
it‘s a book - that‘s all... ok perhaps not all to some - but a book all the same.
WHAT A LOAD OF TWADDLE!!! £40 to produce each book get real, more like £4 i can guarentee that the company that elms use to do their books charge £35-40 per copy as the quality is so high, dont just go shouting your mouth off when u dont know what ur talking about oy calm down. it‘s a book - that‘s all... ok perhaps not all to some - but a book all the same. |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by gbh on Oct 5, 2008 15:56:08 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure the insect print I just bought cost considerably less than 450 quid to manufacture.
should BRP drop their price down to 8 pound 50p?
you like it and feel it's value, buy it
if you don't, dont.
I'm pretty sure the insect print I just bought cost considerably less than 450 quid to manufacture.
should BRP drop their price down to 8 pound 50p?
you like it and feel it's value, buy it
if you don't, dont.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by mose on Oct 5, 2008 19:01:56 GMT 1, Damn. I guess many wouldn't be in to the $1000 Christopher Wool book or the $3000 Jeff Koons book put out by Taschen.
IMO, a good book gives you more return for your money than anything else.
Damn. I guess many wouldn't be in to the $1000 Christopher Wool book or the $3000 Jeff Koons book put out by Taschen.
IMO, a good book gives you more return for your money than anything else.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Oct 5, 2008 19:10:37 GMT 1, got to laugh. oooh 90 quid, a real bank-breaker that!
as mose mentions, serious art books cost serious money - this costs peanuts
got to laugh. oooh 90 quid, a real bank-breaker that!
as mose mentions, serious art books cost serious money - this costs peanuts
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by sham69 on Oct 5, 2008 19:31:55 GMT 1, surely, only a Monkey would use peanuts?
surely, only a Monkey would use peanuts?
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by singerstu on Oct 5, 2008 19:40:25 GMT 1,
Its a shame the such a great thread has become a discussion about a book but if you compare it the the Arsenal or Manchester United Opus which is £3,000 it looks good value to me.
Its a shame the such a great thread has become a discussion about a book but if you compare it the the Arsenal or Manchester United Opus which is £3,000 it looks good value to me.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by mammal2 on Oct 5, 2008 20:32:04 GMT 1, Im actually looking forward to this show. Don't have a preview ticket, but Im really hoping to head there within the week. His canvas work is crazy. I would love a print, but I bet they will cost a bomb if Elms has produced any. If anyone doesn't want to go to the show Mammal will give you a reach around. x
Im actually looking forward to this show. Don't have a preview ticket, but Im really hoping to head there within the week. His canvas work is crazy. I would love a print, but I bet they will cost a bomb if Elms has produced any. If anyone doesn't want to go to the show Mammal will give you a reach around. x
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by Deleted on Oct 5, 2008 21:12:33 GMT 1, IMO, a good book gives you more return for your money than anything else.
Hell yeah! Books can be brilliant! Totally copy that.
Elms did nice jobs with the latest books.. still look at them weekly and enjoy them.
Peace
IMO, a good book gives you more return for your money than anything else. Hell yeah! Books can be brilliant! Totally copy that. Elms did nice jobs with the latest books.. still look at them weekly and enjoy them. Peace |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by snausages on Oct 5, 2008 21:15:37 GMT 1, Its a shame the such a great thread has become a discussion about a book but if you compare it the the Arsenal or Manchester United Opus which is £3,000 it looks good value to me.
Don't think it's fair to justify $180 for a book by saying other things cost 3k. Especially when most books cost under $100. And I think it's a shame that they haven't created a Parla book that everyone here can afford to buy. 
But I'm sure the thread will come to life when the show finally opens.
Its a shame the such a great thread has become a discussion about a book but if you compare it the the Arsenal or Manchester United Opus which is £3,000 it looks good value to me. Don't think it's fair to justify $180 for a book by saying other things cost 3k. Especially when most books cost under $100. And I think it's a shame that they haven't created a Parla book that everyone here can afford to buy. But I'm sure the thread will come to life when the show finally opens. |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by jp on Oct 6, 2008 0:58:21 GMT 1, Damn. I guess many wouldn't be in to the $1000 Christopher Wool book or the $3000 Jeff Koons book put out by Taschen. IMO, a good book gives you more return for your money than anything else.
I don't think it is good to compare Taschen books to Elms books, especially the limited artist edition series. For example, I own "Artists and Prostitutes" and paid $1200.00 for that book, but it is a piece of art in itself, is HUGE, and in a different league to what this discussion is about.
A better comparison would be with a good book from Aperture or Steidl, like "On The Beach" from Misrach, or "Quarries" from Burtynsky. Those books were extremely well made, and sold for well under $100.00. I have not seen the Parla book, but I am very confident that a book like "On the Beach" would blow it away in terms of quality of printing.
Lets be honest here. The reason that Elms is charging GBP 90 for this book is because they are Elms, and they can. If they wanted to give this book away for free they could, they don't need the money. Charging a premium price for their work is part of their business model, plain and simple. And I don't have a problem with that.
If you really want to understand the economics behind printing a book like this, read this blog entry that goes into quite a bit of detail, and uses an edition of 1000 as an example. Keep in mind that Elms is selling direct, so they don't need to eat profits by using a wholeseller or selling through a distributor.
5b4.blogspot.com/2008/09/errata-editions-on-press-day-four.html
scroll about half way down to "The Economics"
Damn. I guess many wouldn't be in to the $1000 Christopher Wool book or the $3000 Jeff Koons book put out by Taschen. IMO, a good book gives you more return for your money than anything else. I don't think it is good to compare Taschen books to Elms books, especially the limited artist edition series. For example, I own "Artists and Prostitutes" and paid $1200.00 for that book, but it is a piece of art in itself, is HUGE, and in a different league to what this discussion is about. A better comparison would be with a good book from Aperture or Steidl, like "On The Beach" from Misrach, or "Quarries" from Burtynsky. Those books were extremely well made, and sold for well under $100.00. I have not seen the Parla book, but I am very confident that a book like "On the Beach" would blow it away in terms of quality of printing. Lets be honest here. The reason that Elms is charging GBP 90 for this book is because they are Elms, and they can. If they wanted to give this book away for free they could, they don't need the money. Charging a premium price for their work is part of their business model, plain and simple. And I don't have a problem with that. If you really want to understand the economics behind printing a book like this, read this blog entry that goes into quite a bit of detail, and uses an edition of 1000 as an example. Keep in mind that Elms is selling direct, so they don't need to eat profits by using a wholeseller or selling through a distributor. 5b4.blogspot.com/2008/09/errata-editions-on-press-day-four.htmlscroll about half way down to "The Economics" |
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by mose on Oct 6, 2008 2:25:53 GMT 1, nice post but based on an incorrect assumption. I was not comparing.
nice post but based on an incorrect assumption. I was not comparing.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by buffin on Oct 6, 2008 17:34:03 GMT 1, After mammal if anyone has a spare preview invite place I would be grateful. Thanks
After mammal if anyone has a spare preview invite place I would be grateful. Thanks
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by simpo on Oct 8, 2008 11:03:39 GMT 1, ... not wanting to re-open the can of worms regarding the book price, but in case anyone's interested you don't need an invite to attend the signing event.
... not wanting to re-open the can of worms regarding the book price, but in case anyone's interested you don't need an invite to attend the signing event.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by oneeye on Oct 8, 2008 16:09:34 GMT 1, I think Parlas work would translate horribly to a print. You'll miss all the textures and depth. Would feel extremely flat. When you see his canvases in person, there's so much going on, you just want to reach out and touch it.
Can't wait to see his upcoming pieces. Post some pics asap please.
I think Parlas work would translate horribly to a print. You'll miss all the textures and depth. Would feel extremely flat. When you see his canvases in person, there's so much going on, you just want to reach out and touch it.
Can't wait to see his upcoming pieces. Post some pics asap please.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by Winter on Oct 8, 2008 17:55:11 GMT 1, I agree, I asked him earlier in the year why he didn't do prints and he said his work didn't translate to prints. That said, the book will be printed images of his works and I bet it will look great.
I agree, I asked him earlier in the year why he didn't do prints and he said his work didn't translate to prints. That said, the book will be printed images of his works and I bet it will look great.
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