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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by dust909 on Dec 15, 2009 18:26:06 GMT 1,
'I would love to keep these prints however, times are hard and therefore need to go to a good home.' 
'I would love to keep these prints however, times are hard and therefore need to go to a good home.' |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by grantb on Dec 15, 2009 19:46:23 GMT 1, took my print to the framers today. wont be done till the new year, having framed exactly the same as nola but now not to sure whether to change after recieving my nola. not to sure on the framing, will post pics in new art section in a bit.
took my print to the framers today. wont be done till the new year, having framed exactly the same as nola but now not to sure whether to change after recieving my nola. not to sure on the framing, will post pics in new art section in a bit.
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by Sundowner on Dec 15, 2009 20:30:32 GMT 1, Which Trolleys?
Which Trolleys?
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by grantb on Dec 15, 2009 21:03:54 GMT 1, talking of love sour love, i have one framed up 
talking of love sour love, i have one framed up |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by G-Man on Dec 15, 2009 21:34:34 GMT 1, 22 greys on the bay plus 5 sold... over 10% flipped already!
22 greys on the bay plus 5 sold... over 10% flipped already!
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by dh on Dec 15, 2009 22:14:04 GMT 1, 22 greys on the bay plus 5 sold... over 10% flipped already!
One person in the queue had 8 people buying prints for him, another had 4 so these numbers are low at the moment.
22 greys on the bay plus 5 sold... over 10% flipped already! One person in the queue had 8 people buying prints for him, another had 4 so these numbers are low at the moment. |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by G-Man on Dec 15, 2009 22:18:08 GMT 1, right.............. oh well i have given up all hope of ever bagging a Banksy from source
right.............. oh well i have given up all hope of ever bagging a Banksy from source
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by cannaebefannied on Dec 15, 2009 22:26:03 GMT 1, If it's 233 then it was whoever got a ticket just before me Just to be clear Dean - it's not me!
Nah I think it was one of the young lads who were part of the group that were camped in front to us
If it's 233 then it was whoever got a ticket just before me Just to be clear Dean - it's not me! Nah I think it was one of the young lads who were part of the group that were camped in front to us |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by stenev on Dec 15, 2009 22:43:18 GMT 1, One person in the queue had 8 people buying prints for him, another had 4 so these numbers are low at the moment.
I'm surprised that people weren't even slightly ashamed to admit this, especially considering there were obviously genuine collectors in the queue ?
Sounds like it was almost a badge of honour.
One person in the queue had 8 people buying prints for him, another had 4 so these numbers are low at the moment. I'm surprised that people weren't even slightly ashamed to admit this, especially considering there were obviously genuine collectors in the queue ? Sounds like it was almost a badge of honour. |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by grafik on Dec 15, 2009 22:57:24 GMT 1, there were more than enough people willing to talk about flipping them.
apparently the guy at the front in the tent was giving tips to the guys behind us about how to flip them.
3 guys around the 130/140 mark talking about ebay listing and key words.
i reckon 50% brought to flip
there were more than enough people willing to talk about flipping them.
apparently the guy at the front in the tent was giving tips to the guys behind us about how to flip them.
3 guys around the 130/140 mark talking about ebay listing and key words.
i reckon 50% brought to flip
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 22:58:46 GMT 1, What was your experience? they look niiiice in store. had some pieces framed by them, when bought from their sister gallery - compared to other pieces I have had framed the quality of their work seemed fairly shoddy - of course this maybe an isolated incident
I would say far from isolated. I spent near a £1000 to frame up some pieces, I was newish and naive to it all, and did not know what I was doing. They conned me into getting the aluminum frames, saying that the white or black box I wanted would be substantially more expensive and that the aluminum frames are much better (If only i knew what my money would have got me elsewhere!!) the framing was so crap, mounts coming away from the print, prints slipping out of the mounts, prints waving more that a mexican at a world cup and looking s**t in some cheap ass silver frame that cost the earth.... I am going to swear now... WANKERS!!
P.S.
A little bird who worked for them told me, that it cost them peanuts to frame and that is where they make all there money from. Weasel's!!
A great piece of advice that I wish I was given before I went to frame my collection:
NEVER EVER EVER use ART REPUBLIC to frame any of your art FULL STOP.
What was your experience? they look niiiice in store. had some pieces framed by them, when bought from their sister gallery - compared to other pieces I have had framed the quality of their work seemed fairly shoddy - of course this maybe an isolated incident I would say far from isolated. I spent near a £1000 to frame up some pieces, I was newish and naive to it all, and did not know what I was doing. They conned me into getting the aluminum frames, saying that the white or black box I wanted would be substantially more expensive and that the aluminum frames are much better (If only i knew what my money would have got me elsewhere!!) the framing was so crap, mounts coming away from the print, prints slipping out of the mounts, prints waving more that a mexican at a world cup and looking s**t in some cheap ass silver frame that cost the earth.... I am going to swear now... WANKERS!! P.S. A little bird who worked for them told me, that it cost them peanuts to frame and that is where they make all there money from. Weasel's!! A great piece of advice that I wish I was given before I went to frame my collection: NEVER EVER EVER use ART REPUBLIC to frame any of your art FULL STOP. |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by spanksy on Dec 15, 2009 23:01:01 GMT 1, there were more than enough people willing to talk about flipping them. apparently the guy at the front in the tent was giving tips to the guys behind us about how to flip them. 3 guys around the 130/140 mark talking about ebay listing and key words. i reckon 50% brought to flip
of course people were talking about 'flipping' them as to them 'flipping' isnt a real word, they are just applying common sense and logic - "if i queue here i will exchange £500 for £1500 you cant blame Joe Public for doing this mate. if someone said to me in another non-art context i probably would jump at the chance, hey its just people being entrepreneurial.
anyway richy get back on with your work you have a big day tomorrow 
there were more than enough people willing to talk about flipping them. apparently the guy at the front in the tent was giving tips to the guys behind us about how to flip them. 3 guys around the 130/140 mark talking about ebay listing and key words. i reckon 50% brought to flip of course people were talking about 'flipping' them as to them 'flipping' isnt a real word, they are just applying common sense and logic - "if i queue here i will exchange £500 for £1500 you cant blame Joe Public for doing this mate. if someone said to me in another non-art context i probably would jump at the chance, hey its just people being entrepreneurial. anyway richy get back on with your work you have a big day tomorrow |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by spanksy on Dec 15, 2009 23:07:32 GMT 1, black an white trolleys?
black an white trolleys? |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by jakek on Dec 15, 2009 23:14:32 GMT 1, One person in the queue had 8 people buying prints for him, another had 4 so these numbers are low at the moment. I'm surprised that people weren't even slightly ashamed to admit this, especially considering there were obviously genuine collectors in the queue ? Sounds like it was almost a badge of honour.
Why would people be ashamed to admit this?
I think people just need to accept for many people buying, or attempting to buy, a banksy print then it is just a commodity, a piece of paper that they can buy for £500 and sell the next day for £1500. it's a margin that even a cityboy could only dream of, so we shouldn't be surprised when people have no interest in art start "investing". It's ticket touting at the next level - and even from the first photo of the queue there were plenty of people who you could imagine shifting tickets outside footy matches or concerts.
Don't get me wrong, i'm as frustrated as the next fan - the closest i've been lately in getting a print from POW was an unsigned jack and jill that i passed on. I haven't bought any recent prints on the secondary market as it would annoy me to be funding the flippers - the more people continue to pay a premium, the more people will continue to do it.
Having said that i think people need to stop whinging about POW being "fair". I think they people need to remember that they're a business - fundamentally it doesn't matter to them who buys the print. They get the same money either way, and Banksy has such an established career that the flipping won't affect him.
POW should be congratulated for doing as much as they have done to ensure that "fans" get the work; they've tried so many methods and should be given credit for that. But ultimately they don't owe us, the fans, anything.
All of the suggestions for alternative sales methods have flaws:
Selling lottery tickets - someone is bound to take a punt and get a load to flog on. Although this would raise money for charity.
Selling only to regular POW customers - there are a lot of artists on pow whose work i don't like and i think is over priced - should someone have to buy that in a bid to get a banksy?
Online lotteries - multiple accounts for people give them a better chance
F5s - certain internet connections or techno-wozardy give certain people the advantage
First come first serve - people can get other people to queue to get extras to flog on.
You just have to accept that if there is a grand to be made overnight people will work out how to have a piece of the action.
I'd been trying to think of a way that POW could control the sale of prints on ebay - if a proportion of the run were sold on ebay by POW over a period of time somewhere between the original price and the flippers price (with the premium over the original price maybe going to charity) then this would drive the secondary market prices down and reduce the quick flip. that said when the pow supply ran out demand would still drive prices up.
anyway, rant over - there's a world of great art out there so go looking and you'll get something even more rewarding than a banksy print on the wall.
One person in the queue had 8 people buying prints for him, another had 4 so these numbers are low at the moment. I'm surprised that people weren't even slightly ashamed to admit this, especially considering there were obviously genuine collectors in the queue ? Sounds like it was almost a badge of honour. Why would people be ashamed to admit this? I think people just need to accept for many people buying, or attempting to buy, a banksy print then it is just a commodity, a piece of paper that they can buy for £500 and sell the next day for £1500. it's a margin that even a cityboy could only dream of, so we shouldn't be surprised when people have no interest in art start "investing". It's ticket touting at the next level - and even from the first photo of the queue there were plenty of people who you could imagine shifting tickets outside footy matches or concerts. Don't get me wrong, i'm as frustrated as the next fan - the closest i've been lately in getting a print from POW was an unsigned jack and jill that i passed on. I haven't bought any recent prints on the secondary market as it would annoy me to be funding the flippers - the more people continue to pay a premium, the more people will continue to do it. Having said that i think people need to stop whinging about POW being "fair". I think they people need to remember that they're a business - fundamentally it doesn't matter to them who buys the print. They get the same money either way, and Banksy has such an established career that the flipping won't affect him. POW should be congratulated for doing as much as they have done to ensure that "fans" get the work; they've tried so many methods and should be given credit for that. But ultimately they don't owe us, the fans, anything. All of the suggestions for alternative sales methods have flaws: Selling lottery tickets - someone is bound to take a punt and get a load to flog on. Although this would raise money for charity. Selling only to regular POW customers - there are a lot of artists on pow whose work i don't like and i think is over priced - should someone have to buy that in a bid to get a banksy? Online lotteries - multiple accounts for people give them a better chance F5s - certain internet connections or techno-wozardy give certain people the advantage First come first serve - people can get other people to queue to get extras to flog on. You just have to accept that if there is a grand to be made overnight people will work out how to have a piece of the action. I'd been trying to think of a way that POW could control the sale of prints on ebay - if a proportion of the run were sold on ebay by POW over a period of time somewhere between the original price and the flippers price (with the premium over the original price maybe going to charity) then this would drive the secondary market prices down and reduce the quick flip. that said when the pow supply ran out demand would still drive prices up. anyway, rant over - there's a world of great art out there so go looking and you'll get something even more rewarding than a banksy print on the wall. |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by monkeyart on Dec 15, 2009 23:31:52 GMT 1, This is soooo boring!
Peace POW!
This is soooo boring!
Peace POW!
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by leumasdarnley on Dec 15, 2009 23:37:05 GMT 1, I think if you write more than a paragraph you should have to also add a picture that summarizes what you are trying to say
I think if you write more than a paragraph you should have to also add a picture that summarizes what you are trying to say |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by stenev on Dec 15, 2009 23:43:12 GMT 1, I'm surprised that people weren't even slightly ashamed to admit this, especially considering there were obviously genuine collectors in the queue ? Sounds like it was almost a badge of honour. Why would people be ashamed to admit this? I think people ........ .......anyway, rant over - there's a world of great art out there so go looking and you'll get something even more rewarding than a banksy print on the wall.
My point was only that if I personally were in the queue with plenty of people behind me I wouldn’t be bragging about getting everyone I could to come and buy prints for ‘me’ to obviously flip.
Maybe saying “I managed to tell my friends and we will all get one, aint we lucky” I could live with but I certainly wouldn’t be showing off that I was going to bag 4 or 8 for myself.
If I managed to round up a local homeless shelter on a bus and get 100 prints it would surely show entrepreneurial cunning but I would hardly be showing off about it at the time.
As for the rest of your ‘rant’ I tend to agree with it all. I’m happy with how POW did things and I certainly haven’t complained about it or any of the flippers. I’m not new to Banksy but thanks to this forum I’ve already spent my NBG money (and some) on some great artists I hadn’t even heard of before.
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I think if you write more than a paragraph you should have to also add a picture that summarizes what you are trying to say
I'm surprised that people weren't even slightly ashamed to admit this, especially considering there were obviously genuine collectors in the queue ? Sounds like it was almost a badge of honour. Why would people be ashamed to admit this? I think people ........ .......anyway, rant over - there's a world of great art out there so go looking and you'll get something even more rewarding than a banksy print on the wall. My point was only that if I personally were in the queue with plenty of people behind me I wouldn’t be bragging about getting everyone I could to come and buy prints for ‘me’ to obviously flip. Maybe saying “I managed to tell my friends and we will all get one, aint we lucky” I could live with but I certainly wouldn’t be showing off that I was going to bag 4 or 8 for myself. If I managed to round up a local homeless shelter on a bus and get 100 prints it would surely show entrepreneurial cunning but I would hardly be showing off about it at the time. As for the rest of your ‘rant’ I tend to agree with it all. I’m happy with how POW did things and I certainly haven’t complained about it or any of the flippers. I’m not new to Banksy but thanks to this forum I’ve already spent my NBG money (and some) on some great artists I hadn’t even heard of before. Edit: I think if you write more than a paragraph you should have to also add a picture that summarizes what you are trying to say |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by jakek on Dec 16, 2009 0:05:23 GMT 1, I think if you write more than a paragraph you should have to also add a picture that summarizes what you are trying to say
happy?
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by leumasdarnley on Dec 16, 2009 0:08:33 GMT 1, Great points ;D
jakek wins for creativity but wonderful work keep it up
Great points ;D
jakek wins for creativity but wonderful work keep it up
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by recycle on Dec 16, 2009 0:14:02 GMT 1, I can't see why POW just doesn't do a 10 day dutch auction with the whole print run, then the 250 highest bidders win, and that's it job done.
I can't see why POW just doesn't do a 10 day dutch auction with the whole print run, then the 250 highest bidders win, and that's it job done.
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by hlarmy on Dec 16, 2009 3:37:57 GMT 1, I'm looking for a new signed Banksy; the print must be in mint condition and come with COA.
No Ball Games: £1,250 (anonymity guaranteed)
S&S: £1,550
Soup Can: price depends on colour
Get in touch - I can do 100% cash or also have a few other bits and pieces I would part with to do a deal.
I'm looking for a new signed Banksy; the print must be in mint condition and come with COA. No Ball Games: £1,250 (anonymity guaranteed) S&S: £1,550 Soup Can: price depends on colour Get in touch - I can do 100% cash or also have a few other bits and pieces I would part with to do a deal. |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by JKW on Dec 16, 2009 10:10:06 GMT 1, I think its more up to Banksy than POW how much they should sell the prints for.
I think its more up to Banksy than POW how much they should sell the prints for.
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by kunstrasen on Dec 16, 2009 10:16:06 GMT 1, I just don't get why people who did register for the Donut did not have to register again. This definitely came in nicely for all the flippers. Seeing now that many on ebay just hurts. POW should just start a new registration with each release. That way more people who actually want the print would have a chance to get it = less flipping.
I just don't get why people who did register for the Donut did not have to register again. This definitely came in nicely for all the flippers. Seeing now that many on ebay just hurts. POW should just start a new registration with each release. That way more people who actually want the print would have a chance to get it = less flipping.
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by Pistol on Dec 16, 2009 12:25:57 GMT 1, Personally cant wait to see mine framed on the wall. Should be picking it up next week! £1000 profit would be far less important to me than looking at the piece hanging on my living room wall and making me grin every time I think about the fun/cold/boring/long hours/uncertainty/amusing memorable time I had in East London. I met some great people and heard some great stories. The flippers are missing out!  I may even go back this Friday night just to see if I can re live the experience!
Personally cant wait to see mine framed on the wall. Should be picking it up next week! £1000 profit would be far less important to me than looking at the piece hanging on my living room wall and making me grin every time I think about the fun/cold/boring/long hours/uncertainty/amusing memorable time I had in East London. I met some great people and heard some great stories. The flippers are missing out! I may even go back this Friday night just to see if I can re live the experience! |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by cannaebefannied on Dec 16, 2009 12:41:19 GMT 1, Personally cant wait to see mine framed on the wall. Should be picking it up next week! £1000 profit would be far less important to me than looking at the piece hanging on my living room wall and making me grin every time I think about the fun/cold/boring/long hours/uncertainty/amusing memorable time I had in East London. I met some great people and heard some great stories. The flippers are missing out! I may even go back this Friday night just to see if I can re live the experience!
Radge ;D
Personally cant wait to see mine framed on the wall. Should be picking it up next week! £1000 profit would be far less important to me than looking at the piece hanging on my living room wall and making me grin every time I think about the fun/cold/boring/long hours/uncertainty/amusing memorable time I had in East London. I met some great people and heard some great stories. The flippers are missing out! I may even go back this Friday night just to see if I can re live the experience! Radge ;D |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by Pistol on Dec 16, 2009 12:51:29 GMT 1, You are one of those memories. Talking to you from Scotland and Ben from San Francisco (both places I have visited and love) in a shitty East London street waiting for a Banksy.
You are one of those memories. Talking to you from Scotland and Ben from San Francisco (both places I have visited and love) in a shitty East London street waiting for a Banksy. |
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by distinctivevision on Dec 16, 2009 12:53:49 GMT 1, Swapped one of my Rolex Submariners in return for a grey no ball games and cash yesterday morning.
So, Banksy NO BALL GAMES available.
Trades- Be it only banksy signed pieces
Cash deal/BACS Offers over £1650 i would consider fair!
Swapped one of my Rolex Submariners in return for a grey no ball games and cash yesterday morning.
So, Banksy NO BALL GAMES available.
Trades- Be it only banksy signed pieces
Cash deal/BACS Offers over £1650 i would consider fair!
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by Guest on Dec 16, 2009 12:54:17 GMT 1, joke
joke
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Banksy • No Ball Games GREY, by Zippy on Dec 16, 2009 12:56:39 GMT 1, words fail me.
words fail me.
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I may even go back this Friday night just to see if I can re live the experience!
