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T.WAT's stunning print, by hero on Jan 4, 2009 17:47:56 GMT 1, i just think that every thread ends up with an argument, it was a really nice thing for T.WAT to do, and i dont think its right for people to slate it so much, its a nice print-if your prepared to have the krays on your wall, i can tell you that the quality of any print produced by the house that did his are excellent...but yeah, i dont like the way every thread on here, even if it is something positive, always ends up as a shouting match
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i just think that every thread ends up with an argument, it was a really nice thing for T.WAT to do, and i dont think its right for people to slate it so much, its a nice print-if your prepared to have the krays on your wall, i can tell you that the quality of any print produced by the house that did his are excellent...but yeah, i dont like the way every thread on here, even if it is something positive, always ends up as a shouting match
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T.WAT's stunning print, by loucastel on Jan 4, 2009 17:53:43 GMT 1, i just think that every thread ends up with an argument, it was a really nice thing for T.WAT to do, and i dont think its right for people to slate it so much, its a nice print-if your prepared to have the krays on your wall, i can tell you that the quality of any print produced by the house that did his are excellent...but yeah, i dont like the way every thread on here, even if it is something positive, always ends up as a shouting match H
If you had bothered to read my post, you would see that I said it was a nice gesture, and wasnt slating him, as regards, mikeo and myself, I would like to think we are having a conversation, am I mistaken thinking this is a forum? nobody has called anyone any nasty names or become heated, you of all people already know my thoughts on a lot of new artists!!
i just think that every thread ends up with an argument, it was a really nice thing for T.WAT to do, and i dont think its right for people to slate it so much, its a nice print-if your prepared to have the krays on your wall, i can tell you that the quality of any print produced by the house that did his are excellent...but yeah, i dont like the way every thread on here, even if it is something positive, always ends up as a shouting match H If you had bothered to read my post, you would see that I said it was a nice gesture, and wasnt slating him, as regards, mikeo and myself, I would like to think we are having a conversation, am I mistaken thinking this is a forum? nobody has called anyone any nasty names or become heated, you of all people already know my thoughts on a lot of new artists!!
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T.WAT's stunning print, by Grubster on Jan 4, 2009 18:09:27 GMT 1, too bad cause this forum has some very intellectual members with extensive backgrounds and a vast array of collections that in the long run are very useful to all other members. Wee need to clean this FORUM up and not respond to negative comments. PEACE
too bad cause this forum has some very intellectual members with extensive backgrounds and a vast array of collections that in the long run are very useful to all other members. Wee need to clean this FORUM up and not respond to negative comments. PEACE
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T.WAT's stunning print, by onemandown72 on Jan 4, 2009 18:22:37 GMT 1, Mikeo...no argument with your points in fact I agree with several. However for anyone else reading this please take the time to review T.wat's portfolio before judging him as an artist. It contains several different mediums, street displays and range from impressive stencils to funny sign adaptations/commentary pieces. urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ukartists&action=display&thread=29747Often on forums (as with any media) you only see a snapshot of the individual posting rather than getting the whole picture.
Couldn't agree more - I don't think that that the print is reflective of his work as a whole, and for me one of, if not his weakest piece. I can see why he decided to release as a print, as fairly easy to take on board and not particularly challenging a subject matter, and easy to print Not everything that artists put out is strong. I for one never really felt that the Banksy rats worked well as prints, and Applause to me is very weak. However this is just my opinion, and one I know that is not shared by all. As a gesture to Darren it deserves applauding.
Mikeo...no argument with your points in fact I agree with several. However for anyone else reading this please take the time to review T.wat's portfolio before judging him as an artist. It contains several different mediums, street displays and range from impressive stencils to funny sign adaptations/commentary pieces. urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ukartists&action=display&thread=29747Often on forums (as with any media) you only see a snapshot of the individual posting rather than getting the whole picture. Couldn't agree more - I don't think that that the print is reflective of his work as a whole, and for me one of, if not his weakest piece. I can see why he decided to release as a print, as fairly easy to take on board and not particularly challenging a subject matter, and easy to print Not everything that artists put out is strong. I for one never really felt that the Banksy rats worked well as prints, and Applause to me is very weak. However this is just my opinion, and one I know that is not shared by all. As a gesture to Darren it deserves applauding.
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T.WAT's stunning print, by mikeo on Jan 4, 2009 18:39:06 GMT 1, But I thought that is what street art was all about, whether it be to make a political/commercial, ethical or any other point, it is an artist making what he see's as a statement, whether the same point has been made before by other artists is irelevant, I think mr t**t must know that he is not going to get rich of this image, think how many times other images have been used ,ie too many to mention, I very rarely comment on new artists work purely because it would not be flattering, this one I also would not have on my wall, but dont hate it, to me it is inoffensive, that is why I cant understand the depth of feeling you have for it, when there are so many others more worthy of your wrath. And Hero, what's with the banal comment? if you have something to say, then say it!!!
My underlying agravation is not so much this image which as, you rightly point out, is inoffensive, but it's just another case of the streets being used to sell poor prints by artists seemingly lacking the one thing that counts, namely their own vision. I'm mostly just tired of the dull and unimaginative really, and this just happens to have been the first example I saw today although I know I wouldn't have to dig too far to find much worse.
I have about as much depth of feeling for the print as there is depth to the actual print and am only replying to posts which perhaps makes me look somewhat zealous in my dislike of it. In fact, you're starting to vent your dislike of it almost as much as me now!
Thanks for the link Mr Percy but I see nothing hugely original nor itneresting in the work shown there either, although the builders piss ad disruption is funny enough. I hadn't realized eddie's interest in t.wat earlier either but there you go, it's all hype and mirrors innit?
Ad, hero, what you consider to be argument is actually a discussion bar those that refer to tedious abuse. And this is a discussion forum, no?
But I thought that is what street art was all about, whether it be to make a political/commercial, ethical or any other point, it is an artist making what he see's as a statement, whether the same point has been made before by other artists is irelevant, I think mr t**t must know that he is not going to get rich of this image, think how many times other images have been used ,ie too many to mention, I very rarely comment on new artists work purely because it would not be flattering, this one I also would not have on my wall, but dont hate it, to me it is inoffensive, that is why I cant understand the depth of feeling you have for it, when there are so many others more worthy of your wrath. And Hero, what's with the banal comment? if you have something to say, then say it!!! My underlying agravation is not so much this image which as, you rightly point out, is inoffensive, but it's just another case of the streets being used to sell poor prints by artists seemingly lacking the one thing that counts, namely their own vision. I'm mostly just tired of the dull and unimaginative really, and this just happens to have been the first example I saw today although I know I wouldn't have to dig too far to find much worse. I have about as much depth of feeling for the print as there is depth to the actual print and am only replying to posts which perhaps makes me look somewhat zealous in my dislike of it. In fact, you're starting to vent your dislike of it almost as much as me now! Thanks for the link Mr Percy but I see nothing hugely original nor itneresting in the work shown there either, although the builders piss ad disruption is funny enough. I hadn't realized eddie's interest in t.wat earlier either but there you go, it's all hype and mirrors innit? Ad, hero, what you consider to be argument is actually a discussion bar those that refer to tedious abuse. And this is a discussion forum, no?
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T.WAT's stunning print, by hero on Jan 4, 2009 18:46:40 GMT 1, yes, i mean tedious abuse, i was not talking about you lou...
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yes, i mean tedious abuse, i was not talking about you lou...
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T.WAT's stunning print, by Guest on Jan 4, 2009 19:09:04 GMT 1, If you had bothered to read my post, you would see that I said it was a nice gesture, and wasnt slating him, as regards, mikeo and myself, I would like to think we are having a conversation, am I mistaken thinking this is a forum? nobody has called anyone any nasty names or become heated, you of all people already know my thoughts on a lot of new artists!!
with so much bickering on the forum over such mundane subjects as flippers, raffles and flyers.... real discussion on art is being strangled. nice to see some debate on here for a change.
If you had bothered to read my post, you would see that I said it was a nice gesture, and wasnt slating him, as regards, mikeo and myself, I would like to think we are having a conversation, am I mistaken thinking this is a forum? nobody has called anyone any nasty names or become heated, you of all people already know my thoughts on a lot of new artists!! with so much bickering on the forum over such mundane subjects as flippers, raffles and flyers.... real discussion on art is being strangled. nice to see some debate on here for a change.
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T.WAT's stunning print, by loucastel on Jan 4, 2009 19:27:49 GMT 1, But I thought that is what street art was all about, whether it be to make a political/commercial, ethical or any other point, it is an artist making what he see's as a statement, whether the same point has been made before by other artists is irelevant, I think mr t**t must know that he is not going to get rich of this image, think how many times other images have been used ,ie too many to mention, I very rarely comment on new artists work purely because it would not be flattering, this one I also would not have on my wall, but dont hate it, to me it is inoffensive, that is why I cant understand the depth of feeling you have for it, when there are so many others more worthy of your wrath. And Hero, what's with the banal comment? if you have something to say, then say it!!! My underlying agravation is not so much this image which as, you rightly point out, is inoffensive, but it's just another case of the streets being used to sell poor prints by artists seemingly lacking the one thing that counts, namely their own vision. I'm mostly just tired of the dull and unimaginative really, and this just happens to have been the first example I saw today although I know I wouldn't have to dig too far to find much worse. I have about as much depth of feeling for the print as there is depth to the actual print and am only replying to posts which perhaps makes me look somewhat zealous in my dislike of it. In fact, you're starting to vent your dislike of it almost as much as me now! Thanks for the link Mr Percy but I see nothing hugely original nor itneresting in the work shown there either, although the builders piss ad disruption is funny enough. I hadn't realized eddie's interest in t.wat earlier either but there you go, it's all hype and mirrors innit? Ad, hero, what you consider to be argument is actually a discussion bar those that refer to tedious abuse. And this is a discussion forum, no?
I think that one of the biggest problems facing artists these days is where do they look for originality, most young artists dont have a clue what life is about , after being fed hype from the media as regards trademarks, corporations, and the like so I think their imagination has been dulled beyond belief, and all they are doing is following their programming ,hence the same images time after time, but as I said earlier, maybe, just maybe, one or two may turn out to be good, I like to try (very hard sometimes) to stay positive and not comment as it could just frighten off someone who has that potential, and then the opurtunity to discover a rare talent on here is lost. As for the image in question, it aint all bad, I think it would be better as a one off canvas though, rather than an edition, that would ,in my opinion ,give it more cred.
But I thought that is what street art was all about, whether it be to make a political/commercial, ethical or any other point, it is an artist making what he see's as a statement, whether the same point has been made before by other artists is irelevant, I think mr t**t must know that he is not going to get rich of this image, think how many times other images have been used ,ie too many to mention, I very rarely comment on new artists work purely because it would not be flattering, this one I also would not have on my wall, but dont hate it, to me it is inoffensive, that is why I cant understand the depth of feeling you have for it, when there are so many others more worthy of your wrath. And Hero, what's with the banal comment? if you have something to say, then say it!!! My underlying agravation is not so much this image which as, you rightly point out, is inoffensive, but it's just another case of the streets being used to sell poor prints by artists seemingly lacking the one thing that counts, namely their own vision. I'm mostly just tired of the dull and unimaginative really, and this just happens to have been the first example I saw today although I know I wouldn't have to dig too far to find much worse. I have about as much depth of feeling for the print as there is depth to the actual print and am only replying to posts which perhaps makes me look somewhat zealous in my dislike of it. In fact, you're starting to vent your dislike of it almost as much as me now! Thanks for the link Mr Percy but I see nothing hugely original nor itneresting in the work shown there either, although the builders piss ad disruption is funny enough. I hadn't realized eddie's interest in t.wat earlier either but there you go, it's all hype and mirrors innit? Ad, hero, what you consider to be argument is actually a discussion bar those that refer to tedious abuse. And this is a discussion forum, no? I think that one of the biggest problems facing artists these days is where do they look for originality, most young artists dont have a clue what life is about , after being fed hype from the media as regards trademarks, corporations, and the like so I think their imagination has been dulled beyond belief, and all they are doing is following their programming ,hence the same images time after time, but as I said earlier, maybe, just maybe, one or two may turn out to be good, I like to try (very hard sometimes) to stay positive and not comment as it could just frighten off someone who has that potential, and then the opurtunity to discover a rare talent on here is lost. As for the image in question, it aint all bad, I think it would be better as a one off canvas though, rather than an edition, that would ,in my opinion ,give it more cred.
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T.WAT's stunning print, by mikeo on Jan 4, 2009 19:30:54 GMT 1, I for one never really felt that the Banksy rats worked well as prints, and Applause to me is very weak. However this is just my opinion, and one I know that is not shared by all. As a gesture to Darren it deserves applauding.
Not that's a whole other discussion argument. For me, the rat prints are definitive banksy and work better than any other image he's released on paper. I've not met/heard of anyone who not liking them before.
And applause must be the most under-rated image he's released as a print but it's another I love and, bar trolleys, is his best print since Grin Reaper.
I for one never really felt that the Banksy rats worked well as prints, and Applause to me is very weak. However this is just my opinion, and one I know that is not shared by all. As a gesture to Darren it deserves applauding. Not that's a whole other discussion argument. For me, the rat prints are definitive banksy and work better than any other image he's released on paper. I've not met/heard of anyone who not liking them before. And applause must be the most under-rated image he's released as a print but it's another I love and, bar trolleys, is his best print since Grin Reaper.
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T.WAT's stunning print, by bradpitt on Jan 4, 2009 20:14:19 GMT 1, Nice to see it being turned into a debate, maybe I was a little hasty in posting my earlier comment. Debate is great, preferably a new thread should of been started as this was started as a thankyou thread. What is wrong I feel with some people on the forum is the terrible un-constructive abuse thrown at budding artists. It's like some people are first in line to criticise someone, but never offer congratulations or a well done to anyone/anything. It's like walking down the road, seeing someone with bad clothes on and hurling abuse at them, telling them they are what is wrong with the world. Maybe they like their new ipood t-shirt and it's quite amusing so leave them to it.
In my 2 guineas opinion t.wat doesn't deserve abuse, he hasn't been two bit whoring himself all over this forum and at least he is giving it a go and getting out there on the streets, which is more than a lot.
I'm going to crawl back in my hole now x
Nice to see it being turned into a debate, maybe I was a little hasty in posting my earlier comment. Debate is great, preferably a new thread should of been started as this was started as a thankyou thread. What is wrong I feel with some people on the forum is the terrible un-constructive abuse thrown at budding artists. It's like some people are first in line to criticise someone, but never offer congratulations or a well done to anyone/anything. It's like walking down the road, seeing someone with bad clothes on and hurling abuse at them, telling them they are what is wrong with the world. Maybe they like their new ipood t-shirt and it's quite amusing so leave them to it.
In my 2 guineas opinion t.wat doesn't deserve abuse, he hasn't been two bit whoring himself all over this forum and at least he is giving it a go and getting out there on the streets, which is more than a lot.
I'm going to crawl back in my hole now x
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T.WAT's stunning print, by onemandown72 on Jan 4, 2009 20:24:48 GMT 1, I for one never really felt that the Banksy rats worked well as prints, and Applause to me is very weak. However this is just my opinion, and one I know that is not shared by all. As a gesture to Darren it deserves applauding. Not that's a whole other discussion argument. For me, the rat prints are definitive banksy and work better than any other image he's released on paper. I've not met/heard of anyone who not liking them before. And applause must be the most under-rated image he's released as a print but it's another I love and, bar trolleys, is his best print since Grin Reaper.
For me the rats belonged on the street, and printing them was a poor decision. I have never felt that they were strong enough to stand up on their own once taken out of their context. They always made sense to me whenever I saw them in London, in whatever guise Banksy had chosen, as a very humorous comment on who we shared our city with. ONce you take them away from this environment and leave them printed they left me cold. I have felt this about a large amount of Banksy images, and feel that there are only a handful that really translate well from street to print. LITTA, Bomb Love, Laugh now, GWB, Happy Choppers, Queen Vic always worked better in print form than in their original placement on the street. And of all his recent work the I feel the same about Nola, I can appreciate the relevance and message in situ, and having seen the print believe it to absolutely transcend the street
I for one never really felt that the Banksy rats worked well as prints, and Applause to me is very weak. However this is just my opinion, and one I know that is not shared by all. As a gesture to Darren it deserves applauding. Not that's a whole other discussion argument. For me, the rat prints are definitive banksy and work better than any other image he's released on paper. I've not met/heard of anyone who not liking them before. And applause must be the most under-rated image he's released as a print but it's another I love and, bar trolleys, is his best print since Grin Reaper. For me the rats belonged on the street, and printing them was a poor decision. I have never felt that they were strong enough to stand up on their own once taken out of their context. They always made sense to me whenever I saw them in London, in whatever guise Banksy had chosen, as a very humorous comment on who we shared our city with. ONce you take them away from this environment and leave them printed they left me cold. I have felt this about a large amount of Banksy images, and feel that there are only a handful that really translate well from street to print. LITTA, Bomb Love, Laugh now, GWB, Happy Choppers, Queen Vic always worked better in print form than in their original placement on the street. And of all his recent work the I feel the same about Nola, I can appreciate the relevance and message in situ, and having seen the print believe it to absolutely transcend the street
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T.WAT's stunning print, by pezlow on Jan 4, 2009 21:07:01 GMT 1, In my 2 guineas opinion t.wat doesn't deserve abuse, he hasn't been two bit whoring himself all over this forum and at least he is giving it a go and getting out there on the streets, which is more than a lot.
Totally agree with this. I've seen quite a lot of T.wat's stuff up around shoreditch and it's been there a while. Also saw him work at the open day which was a pleasant diversion from the queueing. Check out the other thread and you can see that he has not just done one piece but quite a few. A lot of it reminds me of banksy (and I mean that as a compliment) since it makes you laugh.
I'm not a massive fan of this print but plenty of T.wat's other stuff is definitely worthy of praise if people bothered to look further than their nose.
In my 2 guineas opinion t.wat doesn't deserve abuse, he hasn't been two bit whoring himself all over this forum and at least he is giving it a go and getting out there on the streets, which is more than a lot. Totally agree with this. I've seen quite a lot of T.wat's stuff up around shoreditch and it's been there a while. Also saw him work at the open day which was a pleasant diversion from the queueing. Check out the other thread and you can see that he has not just done one piece but quite a few. A lot of it reminds me of banksy (and I mean that as a compliment) since it makes you laugh. I'm not a massive fan of this print but plenty of T.wat's other stuff is definitely worthy of praise if people bothered to look further than their nose.
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T.WAT's stunning print, by t**t on Jan 5, 2009 20:00:18 GMT 1, it's only a fucking picture. happy new year to you all. T.Wat
it's only a fucking picture. happy new year to you all. T.Wat
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T.WAT's stunning print, by timba82 on Jan 5, 2009 20:08:57 GMT 1, jealous gallery sure know how to make a quality print. for those looking into getting their own screenprints done you should drop them a line. dario is the man that can lol!!!
jealous gallery sure know how to make a quality print. for those looking into getting their own screenprints done you should drop them a line. dario is the man that can lol!!!
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T.WAT's stunning print, by eddiedangerous on Jan 5, 2009 21:31:59 GMT 1, Thanks for the link Mr Percy but I see nothing hugely original nor itneresting in the work shown there either, although the builders piss ad disruption is funny enough. [glow=red,2,300]I hadn't realized eddie's interest in t.wat earlier either but there you go, it's all hype and mirrors innit?[/glow] Ad, hero, what you consider to be argument is actually a discussion bar those that refer to tedious abuse. And this is a discussion forum, no? sorry mikeo i hadnt relised my interest in t.wat can you point it out for me please (i dont own jealous galleries by the way)
Thanks for the link Mr Percy but I see nothing hugely original nor itneresting in the work shown there either, although the builders piss ad disruption is funny enough. [glow=red,2,300]I hadn't realized eddie's interest in t.wat earlier either but there you go, it's all hype and mirrors innit?[/glow] Ad, hero, what you consider to be argument is actually a discussion bar those that refer to tedious abuse. And this is a discussion forum, no? sorry mikeo i hadnt relised my interest in t.wat can you point it out for me please (i dont own jealous galleries by the way)
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