bigtlt
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by bigtlt on Feb 16, 2010 14:57:57 GMT 1, I own the Legend piece, and make no secret of the fact.
I bought it because I like the image. Always had some kind of Ali picture/poster on my wall when i was a kid.
Think some of the arguments on here are now moving away from the mbw subject and are turning more into US vs UK rivalry. And would think that this would suit MBW down to the ground. Him becoming the US's version of Banksy is his life's ambition.
In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning.
Its been said before and is the only rule I use when buying art - Buy what you like...
Don't see what all the sniping is about in regards to MBW or any other artist for that point, if you don't like it, don't buy it! I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
Our own can not be the only opinion that is right!
I own the Legend piece, and make no secret of the fact.
I bought it because I like the image. Always had some kind of Ali picture/poster on my wall when i was a kid.
Think some of the arguments on here are now moving away from the mbw subject and are turning more into US vs UK rivalry. And would think that this would suit MBW down to the ground. Him becoming the US's version of Banksy is his life's ambition.
In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning.
Its been said before and is the only rule I use when buying art - Buy what you like...
Don't see what all the sniping is about in regards to MBW or any other artist for that point, if you don't like it, don't buy it! I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
Our own can not be the only opinion that is right!
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nex
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by nex on Feb 16, 2010 15:09:39 GMT 1, In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that
In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning. I wholeheartedly disagree with that |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by boaty on Feb 16, 2010 15:21:57 GMT 1, I only own 2 free prints from the NY show this past weekend; but I wish I could own that huge original Billie Holiday piece from the show....lovely!
I only own 2 free prints from the NY show this past weekend; but I wish I could own that huge original Billie Holiday piece from the show....lovely!
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cadeallaw
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by cadeallaw on Feb 16, 2010 16:59:45 GMT 1, cadeallaw's views on MBW and "MBW team"
Some of the stuff I like, some I don't like.
-I don't think that he is some sort of 'America's answer to Banksy' as some Brits on this forum simplistically characterize his popularity and why silly Americans buy his stuff.
-Nor do I think that he is the worst thing that has happened to the art world, as Raiden will have you believe in his many a long-winded posts.
I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house. Of all of the MBW prints I bought over the past year or two, ZERO of them were purchased on the secondary market, nor have I sold a single MBW print.
In sum, I think he does some nice work and the production quality of the prints is pretty much unmatched... Furthermore, I am glad that he is experiencing the success that he is receiving. What leaves me confused and befuddled the most about this whole thing is how pissed off people get when it comes to MBW and his success... although I guess I do find people's reactions rather funny.
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cadeallaw's views on MBW and "MBW team"
Some of the stuff I like, some I don't like.
-I don't think that he is some sort of 'America's answer to Banksy' as some Brits on this forum simplistically characterize his popularity and why silly Americans buy his stuff.
-Nor do I think that he is the worst thing that has happened to the art world, as Raiden will have you believe in his many a long-winded posts.
I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house. Of all of the MBW prints I bought over the past year or two, ZERO of them were purchased on the secondary market, nor have I sold a single MBW print.
In sum, I think he does some nice work and the production quality of the prints is pretty much unmatched... Furthermore, I am glad that he is experiencing the success that he is receiving. What leaves me confused and befuddled the most about this whole thing is how pissed off people get when it comes to MBW and his success... although I guess I do find people's reactions rather funny.
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burnz
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by burnz on Feb 16, 2010 18:20:41 GMT 1, they might be worth something when hes dead 
but i think he should call it a day and do us all a favour ;D
they might be worth something when hes dead but i think he should call it a day and do us all a favour ;D |
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raiden
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by raiden on Feb 18, 2010 9:08:54 GMT 1, Couple things...
In response to Bigtit:
In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning
Read Banksy's book. The guys brilliant. You look for meaning in his works because of a solid track record of producing piece that having significant meaning behind them. Banksy didn't spend the countless hours over years cutting stencils by hand in order to throw up meaningless work. His work is drenched in meaning - so much so that his works have double, sometimes triple meanings, all of which are too intellectual to be unintentional.
Actually, I defy you to show me examples of Banksy works that are totally meaningless. Some are absurdist, sure. But devoid of intention and meaning - NO.
Meanwhile, barely any thought (on the part of MBW) or time went into the vast majority of his works.
He doesn't cut his own stencils. He doesn't produce his own work. He doesn't even come up with the concept behind many of his works.
Banksy would never be MBW, because he's actually brilliant and talented and doesn't have to pay others to be.
But what's more ridiculous is your own admission:
most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure
Take that statement objectively for a second... If there was any other artist, particularly in modern art, that produced largely meaningless works....
Would that artist stand the test of time?
Would that artist qualify as a genius?
Would that artist make a lasting contribution to advancing art?
Would that artist's works stand up against museum greats?
Would those works deserve to stand in a museum?
Should that artist's works be deemed worthy of $20K? $60K? $100K?
Should that artist be notable given the plethora of other artists who are producing meaningful art?
The resounding answer to all the questions is NO.
Don't see what all the sniping is about in regards to MBW or any other artist for that point, if you don't like it, don't buy it! I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
Our own can not be the only opinion that is right!
NO. Your opinions are wrong when they are based on a completely wrong set of facts.
This is the case with MBW.
Here are just some of the many fallacies that are being perpetrated and leading to erroneous positive opinions of him:
1) MBW produces his own works. Its simply a wrong opinion to give MBW credit for something he had nothing to do with producing.
2) MBW enjoys the support of Banksy. The documentary makes it pretty clear that moral support and artistic support are very different things. As Banksy himself says "I used to encourage everyone to go out and make art. I'm not sure anymore."
3) MBW labored as an artist to get to where he is. He didn't at all. He clear as day bought his way into the arts.
4) MBW has a grand vision behind his work. He doesn't. And if he comes up with one, its probably because he paid a PR person to write one for him.
5) That MBW is on the same level of importance to street art as Shep or Banksy. He isn't as his entire pointless 2 year career (beyond his 2 years of posting a paster he didn't even create) is based on emulation, whereas Shep and Banksy originated concepts.
6) That MBW stands for or cares about anything besides fame and money. He doesn't.
7) That MBW originated concepts found in his art when he actually plagiarized other artists. And when he didn't outright plagiarize, saw things and decided to make things like them.
8) That MBW success is due to anything besides marketing - much of which he wasn't responsible for beyond paying for a high priced marketing and PR team.
So NO.
You opinions are wrong if they are based on false beliefs.
Couple things... In response to Bigtit: In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning Read Banksy's book. The guys brilliant. You look for meaning in his works because of a solid track record of producing piece that having significant meaning behind them. Banksy didn't spend the countless hours over years cutting stencils by hand in order to throw up meaningless work. His work is drenched in meaning - so much so that his works have double, sometimes triple meanings, all of which are too intellectual to be unintentional. Actually, I defy you to show me examples of Banksy works that are totally meaningless. Some are absurdist, sure. But devoid of intention and meaning - NO. Meanwhile, barely any thought (on the part of MBW) or time went into the vast majority of his works. He doesn't cut his own stencils. He doesn't produce his own work. He doesn't even come up with the concept behind many of his works. Banksy would never be MBW, because he's actually brilliant and talented and doesn't have to pay others to be. But what's more ridiculous is your own admission: most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure Take that statement objectively for a second... If there was any other artist, particularly in modern art, that produced largely meaningless works.... Would that artist stand the test of time? Would that artist qualify as a genius? Would that artist make a lasting contribution to advancing art? Would that artist's works stand up against museum greats? Would those works deserve to stand in a museum? Should that artist's works be deemed worthy of $20K? $60K? $100K? Should that artist be notable given the plethora of other artists who are producing meaningful art? The resounding answer to all the questions is NO.
Don't see what all the sniping is about in regards to MBW or any other artist for that point, if you don't like it, don't buy it! I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
Our own can not be the only opinion that is right!
NO. Your opinions are wrong when they are based on a completely wrong set of facts. This is the case with MBW. Here are just some of the many fallacies that are being perpetrated and leading to erroneous positive opinions of him: 1) MBW produces his own works. Its simply a wrong opinion to give MBW credit for something he had nothing to do with producing. 2) MBW enjoys the support of Banksy. The documentary makes it pretty clear that moral support and artistic support are very different things. As Banksy himself says "I used to encourage everyone to go out and make art. I'm not sure anymore." 3) MBW labored as an artist to get to where he is. He didn't at all. He clear as day bought his way into the arts. 4) MBW has a grand vision behind his work. He doesn't. And if he comes up with one, its probably because he paid a PR person to write one for him. 5) That MBW is on the same level of importance to street art as Shep or Banksy. He isn't as his entire pointless 2 year career (beyond his 2 years of posting a paster he didn't even create) is based on emulation, whereas Shep and Banksy originated concepts. 6) That MBW stands for or cares about anything besides fame and money. He doesn't. 7) That MBW originated concepts found in his art when he actually plagiarized other artists. And when he didn't outright plagiarize, saw things and decided to make things like them. 8) That MBW success is due to anything besides marketing - much of which he wasn't responsible for beyond paying for a high priced marketing and PR team. So NO. You opinions are wrong if they are based on false beliefs. |
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raiden
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by raiden on Feb 18, 2010 9:47:58 GMT 1, In response to Cadeallaw:
-Nor do I think that he is the worst thing that has happened to the art world, as Raiden will have you believe in his many a long-winded posts.
I didn't say worst thing. Thomas Kinkade is possibly the worst thing to happen to art.
But I don't think Plagiarism in every sense of the word qualifies as art or in anyways is a good thing for the art world - both by plagiarizing other artists and by representing others thoughts and creations as his own - when in fact he produced disturbingly little, if any of his own art even conceptually.
But I guess you'd say you were a Milli Vanilli fan too and that they were good for music?
Next, let me refer you to my earlier quote:
Consequently, he has a legion of invested fans - willing to come to the defense of their investment at every turn.
...and Juxtapoz it with your later quote:
I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house.
Nuff said there.
As for...
the production quality of the prints is pretty much unmatched
Um, duh! He started his "career" with a full production team with the best equipment money can buy - because he's rich and bought his way into this. This should be considered a good thing?
Finally....
Furthermore, I am glad that he is experiencing the success that he is receiving.
All I can ask is WHY!!!!
A rich guy decides to:
-Not produce any actual work himself,
-Hire a press team that monopolizes art press for everything he does,
-Hire paste up teams to put up images he didn't create over other local LA artists who toil hard,
-Not actually create any work for his opening show and sign the works hours before show time,
-Mistreat his employees at the LA show (as shown in Banksy's doc)
-Capitalize on the nepotistic coattails of his cousin,
-Spend all the time other artist spend actually working on their art out drinking at Hollywood hipster glitterati scum bars,
-Misrepresent himself in the media,
-Hire out in order to skirt the need for any artistic training whatsoever, and ignore any need for artistic skill to speak of,
-Overcharge for "his" work at his first show - even though he didn't produce it,
-Churn out a disgusting level of prints thereby sucking up money from artists who might actually need it and have actual talent,
-Plagiarize various other artists ideas and work,
-Show complete contempt for practically everyone else in urban art,
-Show complete ambivalence toward producing anything meaningful,
-Focus almost entirely on capitalization of his art, and almost zero on conceptualization of his art - which he delegates out to underpaid assistants hired on craigslist,
....all in the name of obtaining art fame - and you're glad for his success?
Talk about befuddling.
Is this for any reason besides:
I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house.
...if so, then perhaps I should recommend that you go ahead and put together a charity telethon for Peaches Geldof? As clearly you like to support those just teeming with redeeming values.
In response to Cadeallaw: -Nor do I think that he is the worst thing that has happened to the art world, as Raiden will have you believe in his many a long-winded posts. I didn't say worst thing. Thomas Kinkade is possibly the worst thing to happen to art. But I don't think Plagiarism in every sense of the word qualifies as art or in anyways is a good thing for the art world - both by plagiarizing other artists and by representing others thoughts and creations as his own - when in fact he produced disturbingly little, if any of his own art even conceptually. But I guess you'd say you were a Milli Vanilli fan too and that they were good for music? Next, let me refer you to my earlier quote: Consequently, he has a legion of invested fans - willing to come to the defense of their investment at every turn. ...and Juxtapoz it with your later quote: I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house. Nuff said there. As for... the production quality of the prints is pretty much unmatched Um, duh! He started his "career" with a full production team with the best equipment money can buy - because he's rich and bought his way into this. This should be considered a good thing? Finally.... Furthermore, I am glad that he is experiencing the success that he is receiving. All I can ask is WHY!!!! A rich guy decides to: -Not produce any actual work himself, -Hire a press team that monopolizes art press for everything he does, -Hire paste up teams to put up images he didn't create over other local LA artists who toil hard, -Not actually create any work for his opening show and sign the works hours before show time, -Mistreat his employees at the LA show (as shown in Banksy's doc) -Capitalize on the nepotistic coattails of his cousin, -Spend all the time other artist spend actually working on their art out drinking at Hollywood hipster glitterati scum bars, -Misrepresent himself in the media, -Hire out in order to skirt the need for any artistic training whatsoever, and ignore any need for artistic skill to speak of, -Overcharge for "his" work at his first show - even though he didn't produce it, -Churn out a disgusting level of prints thereby sucking up money from artists who might actually need it and have actual talent, -Plagiarize various other artists ideas and work, -Show complete contempt for practically everyone else in urban art, -Show complete ambivalence toward producing anything meaningful, -Focus almost entirely on capitalization of his art, and almost zero on conceptualization of his art - which he delegates out to underpaid assistants hired on craigslist, ....all in the name of obtaining art fame - and you're glad for his success? Talk about befuddling. Is this for any reason besides: I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house. ...if so, then perhaps I should recommend that you go ahead and put together a charity telethon for Peaches Geldof? As clearly you like to support those just teeming with redeeming values. |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by amsterdam9697 on Feb 18, 2010 10:11:14 GMT 1, Raiden... if you were a svelt blond with loose morals and a sexy smile I would make sweet love to you...
WELL F**KING SAID! 
Raiden... if you were a svelt blond with loose morals and a sexy smile I would make sweet love to you... WELL F**KING SAID! |
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shosho
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by shosho on Feb 18, 2010 10:54:20 GMT 1, why are people so intent on bringing this guy down, the same people on this forum who brought into dface, walker, micallef, faile the most original artists ever LOL! if it's a prank it's a prank if it isnt so what but people making out that he is so unoriginal pisses me off like dface prints from 2007 onwards(minus the wings)  havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah
LOL! some of you guys are hypocrites
why are people so intent on bringing this guy down, the same people on this forum who brought into dface, walker, micallef, faile the most original artists ever LOL! if it's a prank it's a prank if it isnt so what but people making out that he is so unoriginal pisses me off like dface prints from 2007 onwards(minus the wings) havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah LOL! some of you guys are hypocrites |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by manchestermike on Feb 18, 2010 11:13:30 GMT 1, why are people so intent on bringing this guy down, the same people on this forum who brought into dface, walker, micallef, faile the most original artists ever LOL! if it's a prank it's a prank if it isnt so what but people making out that he is so unoriginal pisses me off like dface prints from 2007 onwards(minus the wings) havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah LOL! some of you guys are hypocrites
Jesus Christ!!
Paragraphs dude!! Punctuation, capitalisation, BREATHE!!
Mr Brainwash, Calvin Harris, whoever the fuck Carston Daily is, the word "haters" which isn't a word, everyone owning Shep works... word of warning don't do this thread for the first time on a hangover!!
As for Mr Brainwash... as a wise man once said "I'd rather sauté my own scrotum"
why are people so intent on bringing this guy down, the same people on this forum who brought into dface, walker, micallef, faile the most original artists ever LOL! if it's a prank it's a prank if it isnt so what but people making out that he is so unoriginal pisses me off like dface prints from 2007 onwards(minus the wings) havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah LOL! some of you guys are hypocrites Jesus Christ!! Paragraphs dude!! Punctuation, capitalisation, BREATHE!! Mr Brainwash, Calvin Harris, whoever the fuck Carston Daily is, the word "haters" which isn't a word, everyone owning Shep works... word of warning don't do this thread for the first time on a hangover!! As for Mr Brainwash... as a wise man once said "I'd rather sauté my own scrotum" |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by curiousgeorge on Feb 18, 2010 11:27:32 GMT 1,
Ahhh lovely, just what i need when eating a full-english
No MBW here
Ahhh lovely, just what i need when eating a full-english No MBW here |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by alexiocowabunga on Feb 18, 2010 13:28:47 GMT 1, why are people so intent on bringing this guy down, the same people on this forum who brought into dface, walker, micallef, faile the most original artists ever LOL! if it's a prank it's a prank if it isnt so what but people making out that he is so unoriginal pisses me off like dface prints from 2007 onwards(minus the wings) havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah LOL! some of you guys are hypocrites
Some good points, doesn't change a thing though, Brainwash is still tripe
why are people so intent on bringing this guy down, the same people on this forum who brought into dface, walker, micallef, faile the most original artists ever LOL! if it's a prank it's a prank if it isnt so what but people making out that he is so unoriginal pisses me off like dface prints from 2007 onwards(minus the wings) havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah LOL! some of you guys are hypocrites Some good points, doesn't change a thing though, Brainwash is still tripe |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by Daniel Silk on Feb 18, 2010 13:31:58 GMT 1, Some of the language on this thread is getting a bit over the top No need to become abusive to others who have different opinions to yours. Respect other people and their opinions! You would expect people to respect yours, so do the same for them.
Some of the language on this thread is getting a bit over the top No need to become abusive to others who have different opinions to yours. Respect other people and their opinions! You would expect people to respect yours, so do the same for them. |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by bigtlt on Feb 18, 2010 14:18:30 GMT 1, Couple things... In response to Bigtit: In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning Read Banksy's book. The guys brilliant. You look for meaning in his works because of a solid track record of producing piece that having significant meaning behind them. Banksy didn't spend the countless hours over years cutting stencils by hand in order to throw up meaningless work. His work is drenched in meaning - so much so that his works have double, sometimes triple meanings, all of which are too intellectual to be unintentional. Actually, I defy you to show me examples of Banksy works that are totally meaningless. Some are absurdist, sure. But devoid of intention and meaning - NO. Meanwhile, barely any thought (on the part of MBW) or time went into the vast majority of his works. He doesn't cut his own stencils. He doesn't produce his own work. He doesn't even come up with the concept behind many of his works. Banksy would never be MBW, because he's actually brilliant and talented and doesn't have to pay others to be. But what's more ridiculous is your own admission: most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure Take that statement objectively for a second... If there was any other artist, particularly in modern art, that produced largely meaningless works.... Would that artist stand the test of time? Would that artist qualify as a genius? Would that artist make a lasting contribution to advancing art? Would that artist's works stand up against museum greats? Would those works deserve to stand in a museum? Should that artist's works be deemed worthy of $20K? $60K? $100K? Should that artist be notable given the plethora of other artists who are producing meaningful art? The resounding answer to all the questions is NO.
Don't see what all the sniping is about in regards to MBW or any other artist for that point, if you don't like it, don't buy it! I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
Our own can not be the only opinion that is right!
NO. Your opinions are wrong when they are based on a completely wrong set of facts. This is the case with MBW. Here are just some of the many fallacies that are being perpetrated and leading to erroneous positive opinions of him: 1) MBW produces his own works. Its simply a wrong opinion to give MBW credit for something he had nothing to do with producing. 2) MBW enjoys the support of Banksy. The documentary makes it pretty clear that moral support and artistic support are very different things. As Banksy himself says "I used to encourage everyone to go out and make art. I'm not sure anymore." 3) MBW labored as an artist to get to where he is. He didn't at all. He clear as day bought his way into the arts. 4) MBW has a grand vision behind his work. He doesn't. And if he comes up with one, its probably because he paid a PR person to write one for him. 5) That MBW is on the same level of importance to street art as Shep or Banksy. He isn't as his entire pointless 2 year career (beyond his 2 years of posting a paster he didn't even create) is based on emulation, whereas Shep and Banksy originated concepts. 6) That MBW stands for or cares about anything besides fame and money. He doesn't. 7) That MBW originated concepts found in his art when he actually plagiarized other artists. And when he didn't outright plagiarize, saw things and decided to make things like them. 8) That MBW success is due to anything besides marketing - much of which he wasn't responsible for beyond paying for a high priced marketing and PR team. So NO. You opinions are wrong if they are based on false beliefs.
My comments were in no way meant to defend MBW's work.
Wasn't trying to say that Banksy's pieces have no meaning as they obviously do.
The only points I was trying to get accross were that I believe sometimes in some of Banksy's pieces people look for meanings that aren't there, because they believe there should be a bigger meaning than your first thought.
If you asked 100 people what they thought any piece meant you would be likely to get many many differing answers.
So if 50 people have a differenyt view of the piece than you do, does that mean that they are wrong and you are correct?
And in response to you saying that your own opinion is the only one that is right.
Think this was what Hitler believed too!
Couple things... In response to Bigtit: In my opinion most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure but a small number can be pleasing to the eye. But I believe if the same image was put out by Banksy, I think a lot of people would find meanings in them that wasn't even there, just because they seem to think everything Banksy does has some hidden meaning Read Banksy's book. The guys brilliant. You look for meaning in his works because of a solid track record of producing piece that having significant meaning behind them. Banksy didn't spend the countless hours over years cutting stencils by hand in order to throw up meaningless work. His work is drenched in meaning - so much so that his works have double, sometimes triple meanings, all of which are too intellectual to be unintentional. Actually, I defy you to show me examples of Banksy works that are totally meaningless. Some are absurdist, sure. But devoid of intention and meaning - NO. Meanwhile, barely any thought (on the part of MBW) or time went into the vast majority of his works. He doesn't cut his own stencils. He doesn't produce his own work. He doesn't even come up with the concept behind many of his works. Banksy would never be MBW, because he's actually brilliant and talented and doesn't have to pay others to be. But what's more ridiculous is your own admission: most of MBW's works have no meaning or structure Take that statement objectively for a second... If there was any other artist, particularly in modern art, that produced largely meaningless works.... Would that artist stand the test of time? Would that artist qualify as a genius? Would that artist make a lasting contribution to advancing art? Would that artist's works stand up against museum greats? Would those works deserve to stand in a museum? Should that artist's works be deemed worthy of $20K? $60K? $100K? Should that artist be notable given the plethora of other artists who are producing meaningful art? The resounding answer to all the questions is NO.
Don't see what all the sniping is about in regards to MBW or any other artist for that point, if you don't like it, don't buy it! I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
Our own can not be the only opinion that is right!
NO. Your opinions are wrong when they are based on a completely wrong set of facts. This is the case with MBW. Here are just some of the many fallacies that are being perpetrated and leading to erroneous positive opinions of him: 1) MBW produces his own works. Its simply a wrong opinion to give MBW credit for something he had nothing to do with producing. 2) MBW enjoys the support of Banksy. The documentary makes it pretty clear that moral support and artistic support are very different things. As Banksy himself says "I used to encourage everyone to go out and make art. I'm not sure anymore." 3) MBW labored as an artist to get to where he is. He didn't at all. He clear as day bought his way into the arts. 4) MBW has a grand vision behind his work. He doesn't. And if he comes up with one, its probably because he paid a PR person to write one for him. 5) That MBW is on the same level of importance to street art as Shep or Banksy. He isn't as his entire pointless 2 year career (beyond his 2 years of posting a paster he didn't even create) is based on emulation, whereas Shep and Banksy originated concepts. 6) That MBW stands for or cares about anything besides fame and money. He doesn't. 7) That MBW originated concepts found in his art when he actually plagiarized other artists. And when he didn't outright plagiarize, saw things and decided to make things like them. 8) That MBW success is due to anything besides marketing - much of which he wasn't responsible for beyond paying for a high priced marketing and PR team. So NO. You opinions are wrong if they are based on false beliefs. My comments were in no way meant to defend MBW's work. Wasn't trying to say that Banksy's pieces have no meaning as they obviously do. The only points I was trying to get accross were that I believe sometimes in some of Banksy's pieces people look for meanings that aren't there, because they believe there should be a bigger meaning than your first thought. If you asked 100 people what they thought any piece meant you would be likely to get many many differing answers. So if 50 people have a differenyt view of the piece than you do, does that mean that they are wrong and you are correct? And in response to you saying that your own opinion is the only one that is right. Think this was what Hitler believed too! |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by stenev on Feb 18, 2010 14:28:19 GMT 1, I wondered how long it would take for Godwin's law to make an appearance!
I wondered how long it would take for Godwin's law to make an appearance!
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by manchestermike on Feb 18, 2010 14:42:59 GMT 1, I wondered how long it would take for Godwin's law to make an appearance!
An early but unexpected appearance ;D
I wondered how long it would take for Godwin's law to make an appearance! An early but unexpected appearance ;D |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by bigtlt on Feb 18, 2010 14:50:00 GMT 1, I wondered how long it would take for Godwin's law to make an appearance!
Wasn't saying raiden is a Nazi, just that he thought he believed his was the only correct opinion
I wondered how long it would take for Godwin's law to make an appearance! Wasn't saying raiden is a Nazi, just that he thought he believed his was the only correct opinion |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by Cedric Mnich on Feb 18, 2010 14:50:54 GMT 1, 
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by cadeallaw on Feb 18, 2010 16:55:16 GMT 1, In response to Cadeallaw: Consequently, he has a legion of invested fans - willing to come to the defense of their investment at every turn. ...and Juxtapoz it with your later quote: I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house. Nuff said there.
Only read up to here... will read the rest later, although i'm sure that i've read the subsequent material time and time again.
In addressing this, I think that you are overlooking the fact that I have a ton of prints and very little wallspace left. My 3 bedroom home already resembles a nice little gallery (i've posted pics here before) and unless I start hanging stuff up in my garage, bathrooms or on the ceiling (which I have kind of already started doing) i'm pretty much out of room. The fact that I have 2 of his prints hanging up framed is pretty damn good, especially considering that i've had them up way before MBW super-hype took off.
Furthermore, you overlooked quite a few points that I made in my post:
1. My "investment" has really not been that great considering that I bought all of my prints at the original price.
2. I haven't SOLD any of MBW prints. I'm not a flipper, I collect art that I like... this is strictly a hobby for me. Truth be told, until recently (about 2 months ago) I hadn't sold a single print. I finally decided to try to take one of my bedrooms back that was solely acting as print storage so I started a 'for sale thread' to get rid of my excess prints that no longer coincide with my tastes. Trust me, I'm way to busy with work to try to make a career out of the buying and selling of art.
Will I ever sell one of his prints? Probably at some point, but i'm in no rush to do so. His art work is fun and obviously appeals to certain individuals... I say let it go at that?
or GET PISSED OFF EVERYONE!!!!1!
In response to Cadeallaw: Consequently, he has a legion of invested fans - willing to come to the defense of their investment at every turn. ...and Juxtapoz it with your later quote: I have a few of his pieces/prints (10-15), two of which are framed and hanging in my house. Nuff said there. Only read up to here... will read the rest later, although i'm sure that i've read the subsequent material time and time again. In addressing this, I think that you are overlooking the fact that I have a ton of prints and very little wallspace left. My 3 bedroom home already resembles a nice little gallery (i've posted pics here before) and unless I start hanging stuff up in my garage, bathrooms or on the ceiling (which I have kind of already started doing) i'm pretty much out of room. The fact that I have 2 of his prints hanging up framed is pretty damn good, especially considering that i've had them up way before MBW super-hype took off. Furthermore, you overlooked quite a few points that I made in my post: 1. My "investment" has really not been that great considering that I bought all of my prints at the original price. 2. I haven't SOLD any of MBW prints. I'm not a flipper, I collect art that I like... this is strictly a hobby for me. Truth be told, until recently (about 2 months ago) I hadn't sold a single print. I finally decided to try to take one of my bedrooms back that was solely acting as print storage so I started a 'for sale thread' to get rid of my excess prints that no longer coincide with my tastes. Trust me, I'm way to busy with work to try to make a career out of the buying and selling of art. Will I ever sell one of his prints? Probably at some point, but i'm in no rush to do so. His art work is fun and obviously appeals to certain individuals... I say let it go at that? or GET PISSED OFF EVERYONE!!!!1! |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by shosho on Feb 18, 2010 17:27:47 GMT 1, manchester mike what are you on about are you some funny guy or something? LoL! dont worry about my punctuation, breathing or anything else for that matter all them stars are getting to your head and whats all this hangover talk, i made a point so don't try and get funny guy popularity stripes off me maybe you could just make a constructive point, btw i just want to let you know ur not funny im laughing at you not with you LOL! how old are you? you should grow up or why dont you just go and 'saute your scrotum' u HATER!
manchester mike what are you on about are you some funny guy or something? LoL! dont worry about my punctuation, breathing or anything else for that matter all them stars are getting to your head and whats all this hangover talk, i made a point so don't try and get funny guy popularity stripes off me maybe you could just make a constructive point, btw i just want to let you know ur not funny im laughing at you not with you LOL! how old are you? you should grow up or why dont you just go and 'saute your scrotum' u HATER!
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by manchestermike on Feb 18, 2010 22:28:53 GMT 1, manchester mike what are you on about are you some funny guy or something? LoL! dont worry about my punctuation, breathing or anything else for that matter all them stars are getting to your head and whats all this hangover talk, i made a point so don't try and get funny guy popularity stripes off me maybe you could just make a constructive point, btw i just want to let you know ur not funny im laughing at you not with you LOL! how old are you? you should grow up or why dont you just go and 'saute your scrotum' u HATER!
To be fair you may have done however I tend to give up on something as a valid point when the acronym LOL is used. In my experience what follows is usually gibberish. All Mr Brainwash's "success" shows is money can but it, give me the funds he's put in and the contacts he's been able to use and I guarantee you I'd achieve the success he has done without resorting to putting out the tripe he has.
Mark my words, I'm not trying to get any funny guy popularity stripes thank you, just observing... Everyone is influenced by someone, I don't think anyone has a problem with it, yes Neate is influenced by Bacon, so what... he takes the art, makes it his own and trys to push it forward, similarly the others you mention, Micallef, Faile even D*Face to a greater or lesser extent, to mention Brainwash in the same breath as them personally astounds me, he produces derivative dross of the highest order, without the 'backing' he has had he'd be laughed off the new artists section on here.
manchester mike what are you on about are you some funny guy or something? LoL! dont worry about my punctuation, breathing or anything else for that matter all them stars are getting to your head and whats all this hangover talk, i made a point so don't try and get funny guy popularity stripes off me maybe you could just make a constructive point, btw i just want to let you know ur not funny im laughing at you not with you LOL! how old are you? you should grow up or why dont you just go and 'saute your scrotum' u HATER! To be fair you may have done however I tend to give up on something as a valid point when the acronym LOL is used. In my experience what follows is usually gibberish. All Mr Brainwash's "success" shows is money can but it, give me the funds he's put in and the contacts he's been able to use and I guarantee you I'd achieve the success he has done without resorting to putting out the tripe he has. Mark my words, I'm not trying to get any funny guy popularity stripes thank you, just observing... Everyone is influenced by someone, I don't think anyone has a problem with it, yes Neate is influenced by Bacon, so what... he takes the art, makes it his own and trys to push it forward, similarly the others you mention, Micallef, Faile even D*Face to a greater or lesser extent, to mention Brainwash in the same breath as them personally astounds me, he produces derivative dross of the highest order, without the 'backing' he has had he'd be laughed off the new artists section on here. |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by raiden on Feb 19, 2010 3:55:59 GMT 1, I don't think my opinion is the only correct opinion. Never said that. I'm saying that opinions based on falsehoods generally are incorrect.
The exact exact quote was:
Your opinions are wrong when they are based on a completely wrong set of facts.
At the end of the day, I can't bash anyone who has honest opinions based on facts. (as opposed to falsehoods ladden hype)
As Bigtit said:
I bought it because I like the image. Always had some kind of Ali picture/poster on my wall when i was a kid.
And that's great. No arguing that. No disparaging that. That's an opinion based on two facts that nothing I say can take away from: He likes the image, and it invokes nostalgia. Perfectly good reason to purchase a piece of art.
And yes, I agree, buy what you like.
What I was mostly responding to is:
I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want.
And my point is, on an art discussion board such as this, what defense is there for MBW beyond "I just like the image?"
Too much of his ascent has been based on utter BS. Opinions like "He's really Banksy," "He's had a long career," "He originated certain motifs," or for that matter "He produces his own art."
Why should you NOT decry an artist who decides to:
-Not produce any actual work himself,
-Hire a press team that monopolizes art press for everything he does,
-Hire paste up teams to put up images he didn't create over other local LA artists who toil hard,
-Not actually create any work for his opening show and sign the works hours before show time,
-Mistreat his employees at the LA show (as shown in Banksy's doc)
-Capitalize on the nepotistic coattails of his cousin,
-Spend all the time other artist spend actually working on their art out drinking at Hollywood hipster glitterati scum bars,
-Misrepresent himself in the media,
-Hire out in order to skirt the need for any artistic training whatsoever, and ignore any need for artistic skill to speak of,
-Overcharge for "his" work at his first show - even though he didn't produce it,
-Churn out a disgusting level of prints thereby sucking up money from artists who might actually need it and have actual talent,
-Plagiarize various other artists ideas and work,
-Show complete contempt for practically everyone else in urban art,
-Show complete ambivalence toward producing anything meaningful,
-Focus almost entirely on capitalization of his art, and almost zero on conceptualization of his art - which he delegates out to underpaid assistants hired on craigslist,
....all in the name of obtaining art fame
Personally, I think more people on this board should reject this guy and support other artists - plenty of whom are on this forum. Particularly if you have ten pieces in tubes in your garage. Maybe you should quit lining the pockets of this guy.
I don't think my opinion is the only correct opinion. Never said that. I'm saying that opinions based on falsehoods generally are incorrect. The exact exact quote was: Your opinions are wrong when they are based on a completely wrong set of facts. At the end of the day, I can't bash anyone who has honest opinions based on facts. (as opposed to falsehoods ladden hype) As Bigtit said: I bought it because I like the image. Always had some kind of Ali picture/poster on my wall when i was a kid. And that's great. No arguing that. No disparaging that. That's an opinion based on two facts that nothing I say can take away from: He likes the image, and it invokes nostalgia. Perfectly good reason to purchase a piece of art. And yes, I agree, buy what you like. What I was mostly responding to is: I don't understand how it winds people up so much that an a piece of art they don't like, others seems to want. And my point is, on an art discussion board such as this, what defense is there for MBW beyond "I just like the image?" Too much of his ascent has been based on utter BS. Opinions like "He's really Banksy," "He's had a long career," "He originated certain motifs," or for that matter "He produces his own art." Why should you NOT decry an artist who decides to:
-Not produce any actual work himself,
-Hire a press team that monopolizes art press for everything he does,
-Hire paste up teams to put up images he didn't create over other local LA artists who toil hard,
-Not actually create any work for his opening show and sign the works hours before show time,
-Mistreat his employees at the LA show (as shown in Banksy's doc)
-Capitalize on the nepotistic coattails of his cousin,
-Spend all the time other artist spend actually working on their art out drinking at Hollywood hipster glitterati scum bars,
-Misrepresent himself in the media,
-Hire out in order to skirt the need for any artistic training whatsoever, and ignore any need for artistic skill to speak of,
-Overcharge for "his" work at his first show - even though he didn't produce it,
-Churn out a disgusting level of prints thereby sucking up money from artists who might actually need it and have actual talent,
-Plagiarize various other artists ideas and work,
-Show complete contempt for practically everyone else in urban art,
-Show complete ambivalence toward producing anything meaningful,
-Focus almost entirely on capitalization of his art, and almost zero on conceptualization of his art - which he delegates out to underpaid assistants hired on craigslist,
....all in the name of obtaining art fame
Personally, I think more people on this board should reject this guy and support other artists - plenty of whom are on this forum. Particularly if you have ten pieces in tubes in your garage. Maybe you should quit lining the pockets of this guy. |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by leumasdarnley on Feb 19, 2010 4:12:17 GMT 1, It all comes out in the wash who gives a shit if people are buying his stuff, the hype factory is working.... But when artists of the caliber of Micallef, and Ian Francis get almost ignored on here and stuff like this has 3 threads the only word is HYPE and or perhaps bullshit.
It all comes out in the wash who gives a shit if people are buying his stuff, the hype factory is working.... But when artists of the caliber of Micallef, and Ian Francis get almost ignored on here and stuff like this has 3 threads the only word is HYPE and or perhaps bullshit.
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by leumasdarnley on Feb 19, 2010 4:36:52 GMT 1,
Love this line
"This is your chance to own a real street piece pasted up by Mr Brainwash (he may be BANKSY)"
Love this line "This is your chance to own a real street piece pasted up by Mr Brainwash (he may be BANKSY)" |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by snausages on Feb 19, 2010 7:31:12 GMT 1, Brainwash ... produces derivative dross of the highest order, without the 'backing' he has had he'd be laughed off the new artists section on here.
Yes but so many urban artists also produce derivative work with little to no conceptual thought and have jumped on the bandwagon too.
Brainwash's concept IS that he's making a mockery of urban and pop art. The reason everyone here is upset is because it hits too close to home. He's pushing everyones buttons here and it's quite funny how many are falling for it.
Sure I think it's a really cheap concept — but at least he has a concept — and he also has a very positive attitude and lots of drive which must be part of his success along with the financial backing. I'm not a fan though and I'm not buying it, and the fact that people pay a lot for it maybe speaks poor of our times and culture - but to be honest it's far from the worst I've seen touted on here.
well said
Brainwash ... produces derivative dross of the highest order, without the 'backing' he has had he'd be laughed off the new artists section on here. Yes but so many urban artists also produce derivative work with little to no conceptual thought and have jumped on the bandwagon too. Brainwash's concept IS that he's making a mockery of urban and pop art. The reason everyone here is upset is because it hits too close to home. He's pushing everyones buttons here and it's quite funny how many are falling for it. Sure I think it's a really cheap concept — but at least he has a concept — and he also has a very positive attitude and lots of drive which must be part of his success along with the financial backing. I'm not a fan though and I'm not buying it, and the fact that people pay a lot for it maybe speaks poor of our times and culture - but to be honest it's far from the worst I've seen touted on here. well said |
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Are people on here secretly buying up mr brainwash, by amsterdam9697 on Feb 19, 2010 18:24:16 GMT 1, I have a few of MBW prints. Seeing Legend is what drew my attention to him. It's an amazing piece. (I have pink variant.) To mention his name gets a strong reaction from folks. Good or bad. I'll just say that I have a love hate relationship with his work. I was going to go to Icons, however once he released Mondri(f)art, I thought it would be best if I saved my travel money. Seeing photos from the show...I like the horse (is that thing made of tires?). And I like all the Madonnas! Which I would purchase as a print in a heartbeat. It doesn't bother me at all that there are some very verbal anti-Brainers out there. To each his own. What does bother me is how dogmatic the haters can get. It's really weird. It's as if someone told you they were going to give you a Banksy...then skipped town. So I like some of MBWs' work. So what..? However, I LOVE me some Miss Bugs ;-xx
Hey Otto, when you got some time, please explain to everyone on the forum again how once the anti- Brainers in the UK notice the price jump, they too will be on board. I mean how many times can a Banksy trade hands before they get bored. and Parla doesn't do that many prints to keep those chaps busy flippin'!
I think you've confused quality with crap.. Banksy fans buy quality, not more derivative MBW re-hashed garbage... MBW FANS are into MBW for 1 reason and 1 reason alone: GREED.
I have a few of MBW prints. Seeing Legend is what drew my attention to him. It's an amazing piece. (I have pink variant.) To mention his name gets a strong reaction from folks. Good or bad. I'll just say that I have a love hate relationship with his work. I was going to go to Icons, however once he released Mondri(f)art, I thought it would be best if I saved my travel money. Seeing photos from the show...I like the horse (is that thing made of tires?). And I like all the Madonnas! Which I would purchase as a print in a heartbeat. It doesn't bother me at all that there are some very verbal anti-Brainers out there. To each his own. What does bother me is how dogmatic the haters can get. It's really weird. It's as if someone told you they were going to give you a Banksy...then skipped town. So I like some of MBWs' work. So what..? However, I LOVE me some Miss Bugs ;-xx Hey Otto, when you got some time, please explain to everyone on the forum again how once the anti- Brainers in the UK notice the price jump, they too will be on board. I mean how many times can a Banksy trade hands before they get bored. and Parla doesn't do that many prints to keep those chaps busy flippin'!I think you've confused quality with crap.. Banksy fans buy quality, not more derivative MBW re-hashed garbage... MBW FANS are into MBW for 1 reason and 1 reason alone: GREED. |
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havent been a pastiche or rip off of warhol ie, pop tart, superman, cli che, lenticular and dog save the queen are equally rip offs of jamie reid and as for the whole skull thing we might as well say d ripped off hirst or insect or insect ripped off d, people are just saying what suits them, i like micallef but he went from doing amazing pieces like walk in harajuki to just doing loads of stuff with guns and cops so i guess he was ripping of banksy yeah and adam neate and his cubism his picasso homage he's sooo francis bacon and faile who just ripped off early americano comic cartoon imagery ala lichtenstien, this is 2010 people things are diffrent we've had two decades of the internet pirate radio is not as popular! things change and mr brainwash's success is a perfect example of what is possible in this day and age, all the artists mentioned above i love and own a piece from every single one but it's quite easy to find an angle to b***h about an artist which all these brainwash haters are doing stroking their chins at their parla's like some of his stuff isnt just one big overpriced jackson pollock homage but because he gives it fancy titles people are foaming at the mouth the guy that switched from ease to parla the man who said he was never going to do prints but when he had a few bum auction results and the watercolurs dropped in price low and behold parla prints surfaced and how much were they? £800.00 which is roughly about $1,300 dollars that much for a print at source how can parla charge more than banksy for his prints at source and about this brainwash guy being rich 50% of the urban artists in this scene are middle class anyway didnt shep go to some flash art school he's actually called frank fairey and im guessing kaws is from the ghetto yeah
