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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 9:02:33 GMT 1, Think the cover looks great, the drips are badly executed though and dont need to be there.
Think the cover looks great, the drips are badly executed though and dont need to be there.
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by wimpy on Mar 29, 2010 9:20:34 GMT 1, Think the cover looks great, the drips are badly executed though and dont need to be there.
Badly executed? They are drips.
And I think the point is that it is this fancy, sharp type is dripping. A little bit of a play on a cliche and perhaps a commentary on Christina's life/attitude/personality/duality or whatever other artsy fartsy attachment you want to give it.
Think the cover looks great, the drips are badly executed though and dont need to be there. Badly executed? They are drips. And I think the point is that it is this fancy, sharp type is dripping. A little bit of a play on a cliche and perhaps a commentary on Christina's life/attitude/personality/duality or whatever other artsy fartsy attachment you want to give it. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 9:29:26 GMT 1, Think the cover looks great, the drips are badly executed though and dont need to be there. Badly executed? They are drips. And I think the point is that it is this fancy, sharp type is dripping. A little bit of a play on a cliche and perhaps a commentary on Christina's life/attitude/personality/duality or whatever other artsy fartsy attachment you want to give it.
Yes thats right, badly executed drips. Because they are drips can they not be badly executed?
My reasons:
I think the typography used doesnt suit the idea of drips alongside it.
The drips to clean, (vector based). It would probably look ok if the drips were a little thicker, thats my opinion.
Think the cover looks great, the drips are badly executed though and dont need to be there. Badly executed? They are drips. And I think the point is that it is this fancy, sharp type is dripping. A little bit of a play on a cliche and perhaps a commentary on Christina's life/attitude/personality/duality or whatever other artsy fartsy attachment you want to give it. Yes thats right, badly executed drips. Because they are drips can they not be badly executed? My reasons: I think the typography used doesnt suit the idea of drips alongside it. The drips to clean, (vector based). It would probably look ok if the drips were a little thicker, thats my opinion. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 29, 2010 9:42:08 GMT 1, Banksy & Susan Boyle ;D
Banksy & Susan Boyle ;D
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by wimpy on Mar 29, 2010 11:29:39 GMT 1, Badly executed? They are drips. And I think the point is that it is this fancy, sharp type is dripping. A little bit of a play on a cliche and perhaps a commentary on Christina's life/attitude/personality/duality or whatever other artsy fartsy attachment you want to give it. Yes thats right, badly executed drips. Because they are drips can they not be badly executed? My reasons:
I think the typography used doesnt suit the idea of drips alongside it.The drips to clean, (vector based). It would probably look ok if the drips were a little thicker, thats my opinion.
That is the point. He isn't using a mop or can. As far as the thickness, I'd say it is a good ratio compared to if he was.
It is the idea of the drips and not the drips themselves that matter.
Plus the length of them lead you right down to the album title. D* is a schooled graphic designer iirc, so I'm sure he thought of all that.
Anyhow, entitled to your opinion. I still love the cover. 
Badly executed? They are drips. And I think the point is that it is this fancy, sharp type is dripping. A little bit of a play on a cliche and perhaps a commentary on Christina's life/attitude/personality/duality or whatever other artsy fartsy attachment you want to give it. Yes thats right, badly executed drips. Because they are drips can they not be badly executed? My reasons:
I think the typography used doesnt suit the idea of drips alongside it.The drips to clean, (vector based). It would probably look ok if the drips were a little thicker, thats my opinion. That is the point. He isn't using a mop or can. As far as the thickness, I'd say it is a good ratio compared to if he was. It is the idea of the drips and not the drips themselves that matter. Plus the length of them lead you right down to the album title. D* is a schooled graphic designer iirc, so I'm sure he thought of all that. Anyhow, entitled to your opinion. I still love the cover. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 11:35:45 GMT 1, Yes thats right, badly executed drips. Because they are drips can they not be badly executed? My reasons:
I think the typography used doesnt suit the idea of drips alongside it.The drips to clean, (vector based). It would probably look ok if the drips were a little thicker, thats my opinion. That is the point. He isn't using a mop or can. As far as the thickness, I'd say it is a good ratio compared to if he was. It is the idea of the drips and not the drips themselves that matter. Plus the length of them lead you right down to the album title. D* is a schooled graphic designer iirc, so I'm sure he thought of all that. Anyhow, entitled to your opinion. I still love the cover.
Agree, the length of the drips are spot on, and also agree i love the main image. 
Yes thats right, badly executed drips. Because they are drips can they not be badly executed? My reasons:
I think the typography used doesnt suit the idea of drips alongside it.The drips to clean, (vector based). It would probably look ok if the drips were a little thicker, thats my opinion. That is the point. He isn't using a mop or can. As far as the thickness, I'd say it is a good ratio compared to if he was. It is the idea of the drips and not the drips themselves that matter. Plus the length of them lead you right down to the album title. D* is a schooled graphic designer iirc, so I'm sure he thought of all that. Anyhow, entitled to your opinion. I still love the cover. Agree, the length of the drips are spot on, and also agree i love the main image. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by fielder on Mar 29, 2010 11:41:36 GMT 1, I was half expecting it be a picture of Christina with a pair of wings coming out of her head!It looks great. Well done D*.
I was half expecting it be a picture of Christina with a pair of wings coming out of her head!It looks great. Well done D*.
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by angel41 on Mar 29, 2010 12:34:40 GMT 1, I agree that this would look a lot better without the type. Doesn't sit well with the image and looks a bit shoehorned. Great image though.
I agree that this would look a lot better without the type. Doesn't sit well with the image and looks a bit shoehorned. Great image though.
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by bullet on Mar 29, 2010 12:38:09 GMT 1, i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision.
any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit.
i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision.
any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit.
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by angel41 on Mar 29, 2010 12:40:33 GMT 1, i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit.
Good point.
i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit. Good point. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by schlomo on Mar 29, 2010 12:46:46 GMT 1, This is a whole lot better than i thought it was gonna be.
She's hot in a 'i'd need you to take a shower before hand cos you look greasy' kind of way...
This is a whole lot better than i thought it was gonna be.
She's hot in a 'i'd need you to take a shower before hand cos you look greasy' kind of way...
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by nah on Mar 29, 2010 12:51:24 GMT 1, i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit.
indeeed
and regarding the drips - they look badly executed because it looks like they were added in MS Paint, seriously
i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit. indeeed and regarding the drips - they look badly executed because it looks like they were added in MS Paint, seriously |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 13:14:43 GMT 1, i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit.
On the contrary - surely any designer would see the type as part of the design as a whole? I would be very surprised if Dface wasn't responsible for the type as well...
i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit. On the contrary - surely any designer would see the type as part of the design as a whole? I would be very surprised if Dface wasn't responsible for the type as well... |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by bullet on Mar 29, 2010 13:23:38 GMT 1, i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit. On the contrary - surely any designer would see the type as part of the design as a whole? I would be very surprised if Dface wasn't responsible for the type as well...
Sorry, think you got the wrong end of the stick.
did not mean the client had done the type.
more that the client has been directing.
i work with it every day.
clients have the last say.
i would imagine there was nothing dface would have been able to do about the type on it, it would have been a record label decision. any designer would just want the image to speak for itself, its often others that want to add the things that don't fit. On the contrary - surely any designer would see the type as part of the design as a whole? I would be very surprised if Dface wasn't responsible for the type as well... Sorry, think you got the wrong end of the stick. did not mean the client had done the type. more that the client has been directing. i work with it every day. clients have the last say. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 13:42:44 GMT 1, So you are saying that Dface did the type, but he doesn't like it, and he was made to do it that way by the record company?
It could have happened like that I suppose but I think its a bit premature to presume that without any evidence. It's more likely that the type is as D wanted it imo.
Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are!
So you are saying that Dface did the type, but he doesn't like it, and he was made to do it that way by the record company?
It could have happened like that I suppose but I think its a bit premature to presume that without any evidence. It's more likely that the type is as D wanted it imo.
Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are!
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Daniel Silk on Mar 29, 2010 13:43:27 GMT 1, Yeah, I would imagine D*Face would have had a lot of constraints to work round with the design  Would have been interesting to see the design at different stages of development.
Yeah, I would imagine D*Face would have had a lot of constraints to work round with the design Would have been interesting to see the design at different stages of development. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 13:54:48 GMT 1, So you are saying that Dface did the type, but he doesn't like it, and he was made to do it that way by the record company? It could have happened like that I suppose but I think its a bit premature to presume that without any evidence. It's more likely that the type is as D wanted it imo. Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are!
I agree, he may have had options, the client may not pick the option you would have but you still come up with each concept as a designer.
So you are saying that Dface did the type, but he doesn't like it, and he was made to do it that way by the record company? It could have happened like that I suppose but I think its a bit premature to presume that without any evidence. It's more likely that the type is as D wanted it imo. Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are! I agree, he may have had options, the client may not pick the option you would have but you still come up with each concept as a designer. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 13:55:54 GMT 1, Yeah, I would imagine D*Face would have had a lot of constraints to work round with the design Would have been interesting to see the design at different stages of development.
Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely?
Yeah, I would imagine D*Face would have had a lot of constraints to work round with the design Would have been interesting to see the design at different stages of development. Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely? |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by bullet on Mar 29, 2010 13:57:56 GMT 1, So you are saying that Dface did the type, but he doesn't like it, and he was made to do it that way by the record company? It could have happened like that I suppose but I think its a bit premature to presume that without any evidence. It's more likely that the type is as D wanted it imo. Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are!
blimey, your lucky then.
dont work with fmcg brands if you dont like that.
So you are saying that Dface did the type, but he doesn't like it, and he was made to do it that way by the record company? It could have happened like that I suppose but I think its a bit premature to presume that without any evidence. It's more likely that the type is as D wanted it imo. Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are! blimey, your lucky then. dont work with fmcg brands if you dont like that. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Daniel Silk on Mar 29, 2010 14:04:05 GMT 1, Yeah, I would imagine D*Face would have had a lot of constraints to work round with the design Would have been interesting to see the design at different stages of development. Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely?
Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well.
Yeah, I would imagine D*Face would have had a lot of constraints to work round with the design Would have been interesting to see the design at different stages of development. Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely? Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 14:08:19 GMT 1, Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely? Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well.
My guess, (and its only a guess) is they would of given him the photograph. They probably discussed the idea together and dface probably went away and came up with the image as we see it now. I should imagine there were probably different options as far as different colourways, typography and composition but i very much doubt he had many constraints at all. Would be interesting to hear from the man himself about it though.
Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely? Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well. My guess, (and its only a guess) is they would of given him the photograph. They probably discussed the idea together and dface probably went away and came up with the image as we see it now. I should imagine there were probably different options as far as different colourways, typography and composition but i very much doubt he had many constraints at all. Would be interesting to hear from the man himself about it though. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by bullet on Mar 29, 2010 14:13:10 GMT 1, i would imagine the conversation went something like:
dface: here is the piece, it looks great on its own doesn't it... look at all the detail.
Company: needs more on there so people get what it is
cue this conversation:
i would imagine the conversation went something like:
dface: here is the piece, it looks great on its own doesn't it... look at all the detail.
Company: needs more on there so people get what it is
cue this conversation:
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 14:15:35 GMT 1, Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely? Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well.
In my experience, if you want to avoid having the client mess things up at the end, you've got to get a good idea of what they are trying to achieve, their vision and their ideas at the very start - before you even start work. You've got to get the brief right and agreed by all concerned. After that, it should be up to the designer alone to answer that brief.
Why would you think that? Kind of defies the point of an independent artist to do the work for you surely? Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well. In my experience, if you want to avoid having the client mess things up at the end, you've got to get a good idea of what they are trying to achieve, their vision and their ideas at the very start - before you even start work. You've got to get the brief right and agreed by all concerned. After that, it should be up to the designer alone to answer that brief. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 14:17:55 GMT 1, I agree, he may have had options, the client may not pick the option you would have but you still come up with each concept as a designer.
Exactly - and you learn very quickly never to show a client anything you would not be happy for them to choose - because if there's one you don't like, sod's law says that's the one they will pick!
I agree, he may have had options, the client may not pick the option you would have but you still come up with each concept as a designer. Exactly - and you learn very quickly never to show a client anything you would not be happy for them to choose - because if there's one you don't like, sod's law says that's the one they will pick! |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by bullet on Mar 29, 2010 14:33:05 GMT 1, Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well. In my experience, if you want to avoid having the client mess things up at the end, you've got to get a good idea of what they are trying to achieve, their vision and their ideas at the very start - before you even start work. You've got to get the brief right and agreed by all concerned. After that, it should be up to the designer alone to answer that brief.
never seen that and ive worked at the top branding and packaging agencies for many years. theres always something...
Very true, but I fear thats how things might work out. I mean do you think D*Face had total freedom on the design? I would think Christina and the record company would have been putting in a few ideas as well. In my experience, if you want to avoid having the client mess things up at the end, you've got to get a good idea of what they are trying to achieve, their vision and their ideas at the very start - before you even start work. You've got to get the brief right and agreed by all concerned. After that, it should be up to the designer alone to answer that brief. never seen that and ive worked at the top branding and packaging agencies for many years. theres always something... |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by aspyhole on Mar 29, 2010 14:47:48 GMT 1, Have you guys seen the lips, and the TEETH!? Really awful.
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Have you guys seen the lips, and the TEETH!? Really awful.
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by bullet on Mar 29, 2010 14:50:23 GMT 1, Have you guys seen the lips, and the TEETH!? Really awful. A
theres always something...
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Have you guys seen the lips, and the TEETH!? Really awful. A theres always something... ;D |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 14:58:37 GMT 1, Have you guys seen the lips, and the TEETH!? Really awful. A
I actually quite liked that.
Have you guys seen the lips, and the TEETH!? Really awful. A I actually quite liked that. |
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by denzil on Mar 29, 2010 15:13:53 GMT 1, [quote
Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are![/quote] you are either god or talking bollox
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Thankfully, in 14 years working as a designer I have never yet been over-ruled on a design by a client...after all, they're paying me because they know that I am a lot better at it than they are![/quote] you are either god or talking bollox
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DFace • Christina Aguilera "Bionic" Album Cover, by Gentle Mental on Mar 29, 2010 16:36:44 GMT 1, 
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