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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by curiousgeorge on Oct 17, 2007 12:51:36 GMT 1, Like Simon said, I would be flattered if someone did this with my work
Like Simon said, I would be flattered if someone did this with my work
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by cashman on Oct 17, 2007 12:56:57 GMT 1, Like Simon said, I would be flattered if someone did this with my work
exactly, grow up mate . He's hardly gona effect your status
I dont think blek spat his dummy out when Banksy did the beggar/ tourist information or the rat
it was differant when dface was complaining the other day
Like Simon said, I would be flattered if someone did this with my work exactly, grow up mate . He's hardly gona effect your status I dont think blek spat his dummy out when Banksy did the beggar/ tourist information or the rat it was differant when dface was complaining the other day |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 17, 2007 13:04:36 GMT 1, I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended..
I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended..
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by cashman on Oct 17, 2007 13:06:44 GMT 1, I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended..
exactly, respect for putting ANYTHING on the walls
I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended.. exactly, respect for putting ANYTHING on the walls |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by saltandiron on Oct 17, 2007 13:23:22 GMT 1, I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended..
Sure most people have seen this guy's stuff before but in case someone missed it first time round here's another guy who's doing stuff in Iran
www.kolahstudio.com/a1one/
apologies for hijacking the thread.
I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended.. Sure most people have seen this guy's stuff before but in case someone missed it first time round here's another guy who's doing stuff in Iran www.kolahstudio.com/a1one/apologies for hijacking the thread. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Strange Al on Oct 17, 2007 13:24:38 GMT 1, I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended..
I completely agree that anyone that has the balls to put up a work in Iran should be praised. Though isn't it a bit sad that someone has gone to all of the effort of cutting a stencil and risked their liberty putting it up, but can't come up with an original design? Seems a bit of a waste to me. For me art is about personal expression, if you're slavishly copying someone else's work then that's simply lacking. You could argue that the placement or the subtle differences give this work new meaning, but in this case I don't think so.
That said, as this is a street piece and there is no commercial exploitation, I too would take this as a great compliment and let it ride.
There is obviously an interesting wider debate about the value of copyright and how far this applies to street works, but will hold fire on that for now.
I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended.. I completely agree that anyone that has the balls to put up a work in Iran should be praised. Though isn't it a bit sad that someone has gone to all of the effort of cutting a stencil and risked their liberty putting it up, but can't come up with an original design? Seems a bit of a waste to me. For me art is about personal expression, if you're slavishly copying someone else's work then that's simply lacking. You could argue that the placement or the subtle differences give this work new meaning, but in this case I don't think so. That said, as this is a street piece and there is no commercial exploitation, I too would take this as a great compliment and let it ride. There is obviously an interesting wider debate about the value of copyright and how far this applies to street works, but will hold fire on that for now. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 13:50:41 GMT 1, Once again, i want to make my point very clear and I recommend you'd read my first post again : I do feel flattered and honoured and also feel that hitting the walls in Iran is something in itself... I said that I'd love to get an opportunity of chatting with that guy, in order to advise him about future works that could be more personal... No resentment or anger on my part, on the very contrary, only a wish to communicate with that person... And as I said before, I deeply believe that once we've put a picture on a wall, it doesn't "belong" to us any longer !
So, i don't really understand your words, Cashman, when you tell me : "grow up mate . He's hardly gona effect your status"
I never mentioned my "status" and this is the least thing I'm worrying about !!! As for growing up, well, at nearly 51 years old, I think I AM a grown-up now !!! lol ! 
Once again, i want to make my point very clear and I recommend you'd read my first post again : I do feel flattered and honoured and also feel that hitting the walls in Iran is something in itself... I said that I'd love to get an opportunity of chatting with that guy, in order to advise him about future works that could be more personal... No resentment or anger on my part, on the very contrary, only a wish to communicate with that person... And as I said before, I deeply believe that once we've put a picture on a wall, it doesn't "belong" to us any longer ! So, i don't really understand your words, Cashman, when you tell me : "grow up mate . He's hardly gona effect your status" I never mentioned my "status" and this is the least thing I'm worrying about !!! As for growing up, well, at nearly 51 years old, I think I AM a grown-up now !!! lol ! |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 17, 2007 14:09:07 GMT 1, I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended.. For me art is about personal expression, if you're slavishly copying someone else's work then that's simply lacking. You could argue that the placement or the subtle differences give this work new meaning, but in this case I don't think so. That said, as this is a street piece and there is no commercial exploitation, I too would take this as a great compliment and let it ride. There is obviously an interesting wider debate about the value of copyright and how far this applies to street works, but will hold fire on that for now.
From the same artist, in Iran, not Paris.. it's hardly the sign of artistic genius cutting a stencil of a boy with his arms around his knees. I'd go so far to say that this is far more relevant and a daily sight on the streets of Tehran. Context and placement of a stencil nearly always changes meaning. As this image is a recurrent theme in the guys arsenal of works, i'd be surprised if it was influenced by Jefs work.. probably very unlikely that he's heard of him.
Depressed Boy
* edit, in response to JJ's post and not a dig at Jef.
I think anyone making street art in Iran should be commended.. For me art is about personal expression, if you're slavishly copying someone else's work then that's simply lacking. You could argue that the placement or the subtle differences give this work new meaning, but in this case I don't think so. That said, as this is a street piece and there is no commercial exploitation, I too would take this as a great compliment and let it ride. There is obviously an interesting wider debate about the value of copyright and how far this applies to street works, but will hold fire on that for now. From the same artist, in Iran, not Paris.. it's hardly the sign of artistic genius cutting a stencil of a boy with his arms around his knees. I'd go so far to say that this is far more relevant and a daily sight on the streets of Tehran. Context and placement of a stencil nearly always changes meaning. As this image is a recurrent theme in the guys arsenal of works, i'd be surprised if it was influenced by Jefs work.. probably very unlikely that he's heard of him. Depressed Boy * edit, in response to JJ's post and not a dig at Jef. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by cashman on Oct 17, 2007 14:15:57 GMT 1, Once again, i want to make my point very clear and I recommend you'd read my first post again : I do feel flattered and honoured and also feel that hitting the walls in Iran is something in itself... I said that I'd love to get an opportunity of chatting with that guy, in order to advise him about future works that could be more personal... No resentment or anger on my part, on the very contrary, only a wish to communicate with that person... And as I said before, I deeply believe that once we've put a picture on a wall, it doesn't "belong" to us any longer ! So, i don't really understand your words, Cashman, when you tell me : "grow up mate . He's hardly gona effect your status" I never mentioned my "status" and this is the least thing I'm worrying about !!! As for growing up, well, at nearly 51 years old, I think I AM a grown-up now !!! lol !
Being an old man don't make you a grown-up. You started to talk about anger towards him, then quickly changed how you were talking halfway through the scentence 
I said grow up because you commented in a differant post about Dfaces claims about taxing peoples work and now your doing the same, your controdicting yourself m8.
Anyway thanks for the neg, at least I say what i think rather than hide behind a button
If u wanna chat anymore drop me a pm as I dont want to be negged anymore by the people on here with no opinion
peaceout
Once again, i want to make my point very clear and I recommend you'd read my first post again : I do feel flattered and honoured and also feel that hitting the walls in Iran is something in itself... I said that I'd love to get an opportunity of chatting with that guy, in order to advise him about future works that could be more personal... No resentment or anger on my part, on the very contrary, only a wish to communicate with that person... And as I said before, I deeply believe that once we've put a picture on a wall, it doesn't "belong" to us any longer ! So, i don't really understand your words, Cashman, when you tell me : "grow up mate . He's hardly gona effect your status" I never mentioned my "status" and this is the least thing I'm worrying about !!! As for growing up, well, at nearly 51 years old, I think I AM a grown-up now !!! lol ! Being an old man don't make you a grown-up. You started to talk about anger towards him, then quickly changed how you were talking halfway through the scentence I said grow up because you commented in a differant post about Dfaces claims about taxing peoples work and now your doing the same, your controdicting yourself m8. Anyway thanks for the neg, at least I say what i think rather than hide behind a button If u wanna chat anymore drop me a pm as I dont want to be negged anymore by the people on here with no opinion peaceout |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 14:17:50 GMT 1, Nuart, you said :
<<it's hardly the sign of artistic genius cutting a stencil of a boy with his arms around his knees>>
Oh my god, I'm at a loss now !
I never pretended I was an artistic genius !!!
I just don't know what to say now, this thread is taking a very weird direction !
Let's all cool down as I have a feeling we actually all agree on the main points !
Nuart, you may be right, but if you look at the photos i first posted, you will see that he obviously used the body of my "sitting boy" !!! The cutting is exactly the same, all the details are the same ! It's evident that he used a photo of my stencil he must have found on the web... But i agree with you, his work remains extremely relevant ! Just imagine my surprise when I saw "my" stencil cut and used by somebody else ! He changed the head and also the shoes, but the rest is the mere copy of my stencil... And it's all very well, just a bit of a shock (not a negative one !) when I discovered the pictures this morning. See what I mean ?
It isn't the same thing as the rats, for instance, that we talked about the other day :
Blek did some, i did some and Banksy too, and loads of other people...
But I didn't know of Blek's rats when i did mine and maybe Banksy didn't know of Blek's and my rats when he did his. Besides our rats are very different ! It isn't the same thing as if somebody really takes a pic of the very stencil and just cuts it , see ?
Nuart, you said :
<<it's hardly the sign of artistic genius cutting a stencil of a boy with his arms around his knees>>
Oh my god, I'm at a loss now !
I never pretended I was an artistic genius !!!
I just don't know what to say now, this thread is taking a very weird direction !
Let's all cool down as I have a feeling we actually all agree on the main points !
Nuart, you may be right, but if you look at the photos i first posted, you will see that he obviously used the body of my "sitting boy" !!! The cutting is exactly the same, all the details are the same ! It's evident that he used a photo of my stencil he must have found on the web... But i agree with you, his work remains extremely relevant ! Just imagine my surprise when I saw "my" stencil cut and used by somebody else ! He changed the head and also the shoes, but the rest is the mere copy of my stencil... And it's all very well, just a bit of a shock (not a negative one !) when I discovered the pictures this morning. See what I mean ?
It isn't the same thing as the rats, for instance, that we talked about the other day :
Blek did some, i did some and Banksy too, and loads of other people...
But I didn't know of Blek's rats when i did mine and maybe Banksy didn't know of Blek's and my rats when he did his. Besides our rats are very different ! It isn't the same thing as if somebody really takes a pic of the very stencil and just cuts it , see ?
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 14:31:35 GMT 1, Cashman, I've just sent you a personal email...
But I want to say here that i never "negged" you and that I admit having had "mixed feelings" ! I'm human !
And i don't "hide" behind buttons ! on the very contrary...
(and if you read both threads again, you'll see that i don't contradict myself... at least i don't think i do... and if i do, well, once again, I'm human, and probably not totally grown-up !)
peace man !
jef
Cashman, I've just sent you a personal email... But I want to say here that i never "negged" you and that I admit having had "mixed feelings" ! I'm human ! And i don't "hide" behind buttons ! on the very contrary... (and if you read both threads again, you'll see that i don't contradict myself... at least i don't think i do... and if i do, well, once again, I'm human, and probably not totally grown-up !) peace man ! jef |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by mike hunt on Oct 17, 2007 14:36:37 GMT 1, Jeff - I think you are being honest. If I had worked hard on a design only to see someone copy it so that most the details were identical, I would also feel a mixture of shock, anger and flattery. Its annoying when you've built a name up over years, but on the other hand, even with the copying, this person isn't nearly as accomplished as you (when you compare how the pieces have been executed).I think having a quick chat or just forgetting about it is the best way. Your post cannot be compared to dfaces comments because you've been more open and honest. Anyone who thinks their reaction would be different is fooling themselves (or has never had their artwork copied!)
Jeff - I think you are being honest. If I had worked hard on a design only to see someone copy it so that most the details were identical, I would also feel a mixture of shock, anger and flattery. Its annoying when you've built a name up over years, but on the other hand, even with the copying, this person isn't nearly as accomplished as you (when you compare how the pieces have been executed).I think having a quick chat or just forgetting about it is the best way. Your post cannot be compared to dfaces comments because you've been more open and honest. Anyone who thinks their reaction would be different is fooling themselves (or has never had their artwork copied!)
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Oct 17, 2007 14:36:44 GMT 1, Jef, he can't have copied you as there is no red arrow!!!! LOL ;D
Seriously I would feel pretty good about myself if someone thought my design good enough to copy, your work is now truely international, and lets face it you are'nt going to make a special trip to Iran to paint it, are you!? The only time it would piss me off is if it had been done badly, without doubt it is not as detailed or as 'clean' as your stencils but it is also a pretty good copy!! 
Jef, he can't have copied you as there is no red arrow!!!! LOL ;D Seriously I would feel pretty good about myself if someone thought my design good enough to copy, your work is now truely international, and lets face it you are'nt going to make a special trip to Iran to paint it, are you!? The only time it would piss me off is if it had been done badly, without doubt it is not as detailed or as 'clean' as your stencils but it is also a pretty good copy!! |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by carlito on Oct 17, 2007 14:44:06 GMT 1, blimey oh reilly! can't we all just get along...ha ha...okay in summary similar stencil work in different parts of the world...all looks good..compliments to be taken from artists following similar paths
(debating the merit of using of others work good tho )
blimey oh reilly! can't we all just get along...ha ha...okay in summary similar stencil work in different parts of the world...all looks good..compliments to be taken from artists following similar paths (debating the merit of using of others work good tho ) |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Oct 17, 2007 14:44:13 GMT 1, Jef I think people have to refer to the other thread which talked about the 'copying' of street art to grt a better understanding of what you are trying to say! Can't find the thread though!!
Jef I think people have to refer to the other thread which talked about the 'copying' of street art to grt a better understanding of what you are trying to say! Can't find the thread though!! |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by mcnuts on Oct 17, 2007 14:45:29 GMT 1, i dont think anyone here is taking a swipe at Jeff and I think itโs a good point for debate to point this out.
I dont agree with nuart. Take a closer look at the stencil. The soes and hair are different but the lines in the body are almost exactly the same. To me, it really seems like too much of a coincidence for there not to be some overlap. However stranger things have happened and so he may not have seen his work.... none the less Jeff isnt looking for royalties here....
What is not being said in the thread is any claim for โI did this first show me respectโ. Something that, in another thread on here, D*face is being imho a real cry baby about.
Anywayโฆ back to the artโฆ
i dont think anyone here is taking a swipe at Jeff and I think itโs a good point for debate to point this out.
I dont agree with nuart. Take a closer look at the stencil. The soes and hair are different but the lines in the body are almost exactly the same. To me, it really seems like too much of a coincidence for there not to be some overlap. However stranger things have happened and so he may not have seen his work.... none the less Jeff isnt looking for royalties here....
What is not being said in the thread is any claim for โI did this first show me respectโ. Something that, in another thread on here, D*face is being imho a real cry baby about.
Anywayโฆ back to the artโฆ
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Oct 17, 2007 14:46:51 GMT 1, i dont think anyone here is taking a swipe at Jeff and I think itโs a good point for debate point this out. To me, it really seems like too much of a coincidence for there not to be some overlap. However stranger things have happened and so he may not have seen his work, What is not being said in the thread is any claim for โI did this first show me respectโ. Something that, in another thread on here, D*face is being imho a real cry baby about. Anywayโฆ back to the artโฆ
That's the one.......Ta
Think I'll change my Avitar!! Lighten the mood a little! ;D
i dont think anyone here is taking a swipe at Jeff and I think itโs a good point for debate point this out. To me, it really seems like too much of a coincidence for there not to be some overlap. However stranger things have happened and so he may not have seen his work, What is not being said in the thread is any claim for โI did this first show me respectโ. Something that, in another thread on here, D*face is being imho a real cry baby about. Anywayโฆ back to the artโฆ That's the one.......Ta Think I'll change my Avitar!! Lighten the mood a little! ;D |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Daniel Silk on Oct 17, 2007 14:48:56 GMT 1, Jef, maybe you could produce stencils or paste ups that people could get from your website ;D better than having them partly coping you work, let them paint and post your work for you around the world! ;D Bit like Shep and his Obey stickers ;D
+Respect to Jef a true forum gent ;D
Jef, maybe you could produce stencils or paste ups that people could get from your website ;D better than having them partly coping you work, let them paint and post your work for you around the world! ;D Bit like Shep and his Obey stickers ;D +Respect to Jef a true forum gent ;D |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Oct 17, 2007 14:50:12 GMT 1, Jef, maybe you could produce stencils or paste ups that people could get from your website ;D better than having them partly coping you work, let them paint and post your work for you around the world! ;D Bit like Shep and his Obey stickers ;D +Respect to Jef a true forum gent ;D
I second that!!!!
Jef, maybe you could produce stencils or paste ups that people could get from your website ;D better than having them partly coping you work, let them paint and post your work for you around the world! ;D Bit like Shep and his Obey stickers ;D +Respect to Jef a true forum gent ;D I second that!!!! |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 14:52:21 GMT 1, Yep Jonpud, he has put this stencil to excellent use and as Nuart said, the sitting kid is probably more relevant there than here...
I totally agree on that...
was just a bit of a surprise when i discovered the pic this morning...
don't know if others among you have exprerienced this ? It's a funny surprise...
Maybe i started the thread a bit too early (5 minutes after discovering the pics) as I was still under the surprise... lol !
In fact this already happened to me in 1986, just after the release of Vite Fait / Bien Fait, the first book about stencils. A friend of mine, Thierry, rang me to tell me he had seen some of my stencils on the walls of Dunkerque, my selfportrait with my signature !!! I had NEVER stencilled there ! He investigated a bit and found out that the authors of the sprayings were schoolboys whose art teacher had studied the book with them, giving them some photocopies of some of the pages of the book ! I got in touch with the teacher (who's now a good friend of mine) and he invited me to come to his class. I met the kids, congratulated them and told them about my work etc... I told them that maybe it would be more exciting for them to make their own stencils and sign their names instead of mine ! Then We started a workshop and I helped them come up with their own works, many of them decided that they wanted to stencil their selfportrait... I came back for a second time after a week or two so that they had time to work on their own and with Jacques, the teacher. Then, we all painted a huge mural in the school yard with all their stencils, selfportraits, etc... and all their signatures !
I loved that experience !
anybody here has ever seen copied stencils of pieces by other stencillers ?
any fake Banksys, for instance ?
Yep Jonpud, he has put this stencil to excellent use and as Nuart said, the sitting kid is probably more relevant there than here...
I totally agree on that...
was just a bit of a surprise when i discovered the pic this morning...
don't know if others among you have exprerienced this ? It's a funny surprise...
Maybe i started the thread a bit too early (5 minutes after discovering the pics) as I was still under the surprise... lol !
In fact this already happened to me in 1986, just after the release of Vite Fait / Bien Fait, the first book about stencils. A friend of mine, Thierry, rang me to tell me he had seen some of my stencils on the walls of Dunkerque, my selfportrait with my signature !!! I had NEVER stencilled there ! He investigated a bit and found out that the authors of the sprayings were schoolboys whose art teacher had studied the book with them, giving them some photocopies of some of the pages of the book ! I got in touch with the teacher (who's now a good friend of mine) and he invited me to come to his class. I met the kids, congratulated them and told them about my work etc... I told them that maybe it would be more exciting for them to make their own stencils and sign their names instead of mine ! Then We started a workshop and I helped them come up with their own works, many of them decided that they wanted to stencil their selfportrait... I came back for a second time after a week or two so that they had time to work on their own and with Jacques, the teacher. Then, we all painted a huge mural in the school yard with all their stencils, selfportraits, etc... and all their signatures !
I loved that experience !
anybody here has ever seen copied stencils of pieces by other stencillers ?
any fake Banksys, for instance ?
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Oct 17, 2007 14:58:20 GMT 1, Yep Jonpud, he has put this stencil to excellent use and as Nuart said, the sitting kid is probably more relevant there than here... I totally agree on that... was just a bit of a surprise when i discovered the pic this morning... don't know if others among you have exprerienced this ? It's a funny surprise... Maybe i started the thread a bit too early (5 minutes after discovering the pics) as I was still under the surprise... lol ! In fact this already happened to me in 1986, just after the release of Vite Fait / Bien Fait, the first book about stencils. A friend of mine, Thierry, rang me to tell me he had seen some of my stencils on the walls of Dunkerque, my selfportrait with my signature !!! I had NEVER stencilled there ! He investigated a bit and found out that the authors of the sprayings were schoolboys whose art teacher had studied the book with them, giving them some photocopies of some of the pages of the book ! I got in touch with the teacher (who's now a good friend of mine) and he invited me to come to his class. I met the kids, congratulated them and told them about my work etc... I told them that maybe, it would be more exciting for them to make their own stencils and sign their names instead of mine ! Then We started a workshop and I helped them come up with their own works, many of them decided that they wanted to stencil their selfportrait... I came back for a second time after a week or two so that they had time to work on their own and with Jacques, the teacher. Then, we all painted a huge mural in the school yard with all their stencils, selfportraits, etc... and all their signatures ! I loved that experience ! anybody here has ever seen copied stencils of pieces by other stencillers ? any fake Banksys, for instance ?
LOL I would like to see the teaching of street art in the schools of UK!!!! Can't see Banksy being invited into Eaton!! ;D
Yep Jonpud, he has put this stencil to excellent use and as Nuart said, the sitting kid is probably more relevant there than here... I totally agree on that... was just a bit of a surprise when i discovered the pic this morning... don't know if others among you have exprerienced this ? It's a funny surprise... Maybe i started the thread a bit too early (5 minutes after discovering the pics) as I was still under the surprise... lol ! In fact this already happened to me in 1986, just after the release of Vite Fait / Bien Fait, the first book about stencils. A friend of mine, Thierry, rang me to tell me he had seen some of my stencils on the walls of Dunkerque, my selfportrait with my signature !!! I had NEVER stencilled there ! He investigated a bit and found out that the authors of the sprayings were schoolboys whose art teacher had studied the book with them, giving them some photocopies of some of the pages of the book ! I got in touch with the teacher (who's now a good friend of mine) and he invited me to come to his class. I met the kids, congratulated them and told them about my work etc... I told them that maybe, it would be more exciting for them to make their own stencils and sign their names instead of mine ! Then We started a workshop and I helped them come up with their own works, many of them decided that they wanted to stencil their selfportrait... I came back for a second time after a week or two so that they had time to work on their own and with Jacques, the teacher. Then, we all painted a huge mural in the school yard with all their stencils, selfportraits, etc... and all their signatures ! I loved that experience ! anybody here has ever seen copied stencils of pieces by other stencillers ? any fake Banksys, for instance ? LOL I would like to see the teaching of street art in the schools of UK!!!! Can't see Banksy being invited into Eaton!! ;D |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 15:21:01 GMT 1, Cashman, thanks a lot !
I knew we actually agreed !
peace
jef
PS : about the "neg", have just learnt what this term means ! This is something i never check... Actually if I may suggest something, Silky : this system of "karma, points/respect" should be suppressed ! I'm afraid it creates some sort of competition that might not be very healthy...
enough grading at school, do we need it here ?
Cashman, thanks a lot ! I knew we actually agreed ! peace jef PS : about the "neg", have just learnt what this term means ! This is something i never check... Actually if I may suggest something, Silky : this system of "karma, points/respect" should be suppressed ! I'm afraid it creates some sort of competition that might not be very healthy... enough grading at school, do we need it here ? |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 17, 2007 15:21:07 GMT 1, It isn't the same thing as if somebody really takes a pic of the very stencil and just cuts it , see ?
Ah, sorry Jef.... I didn't compare them that closely.. but yeah, be cool if you drop him a mail and offer him some support, can't be easy doing this in Tehran.. I'm sure you'd make his day if you contacted him with some positive words.
It isn't the same thing as if somebody really takes a pic of the very stencil and just cuts it , see ? Ah, sorry Jef.... I didn't compare them that closely.. but yeah, be cool if you drop him a mail and offer him some support, can't be easy doing this in Tehran.. I'm sure you'd make his day if you contacted him with some positive words. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Oct 17, 2007 15:24:31 GMT 1, Cashman, thanks a lot ! I knew we actually agreed ! peace jef PS : about the "neg", have just learnt what this term means ! This is something i never check... Actually if I may suggest something, Silky : this system of "karma, points/respect" should be suppressed ! I'm afraid it creates some sort of competition that might not be very healthy... enough grading at school, do we need it here ?
Jef, to be fair I had same opinion as you, Silky did try and remove the respect system for a while but it didn't work, it does seem to calm the more undesireable aspects of being a forum member!!
Cashman, thanks a lot ! I knew we actually agreed ! peace jef PS : about the "neg", have just learnt what this term means ! This is something i never check... Actually if I may suggest something, Silky : this system of "karma, points/respect" should be suppressed ! I'm afraid it creates some sort of competition that might not be very healthy... enough grading at school, do we need it here ? Jef, to be fair I had same opinion as you, Silky did try and remove the respect system for a while but it didn't work, it does seem to calm the more undesireable aspects of being a forum member!! |
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Jef Aerosol
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 15:26:37 GMT 1, Jef, maybe you could produce stencils or paste ups that people could get from your website ;D better than having them partly coping you work, let them paint and post your work for you around the world! ;D Bit like Shep and his Obey stickers ;D
Silky, I have already been proposed that, but refused.
I don't want people to believe I've been to places I've actually never been to.
And I don't want people to "work" for me...
If somebody feels like stencilling something where he lives, I'd rather advise or give a few tips to help him/her come up with his/her own stuff...
I don't understand the Obey thing very well...
Makes Obey sound like a firm, a multinational company... sounds strange to me...
And when i see an Obey paste-up here or there, I can't know whether it was done by Shepard himself or by a "fan"... I'm not judging, but only saying that I wouldn't feel like doing that. Makes me feel a bit uncomfortable...
Jef, maybe you could produce stencils or paste ups that people could get from your website ;D better than having them partly coping you work, let them paint and post your work for you around the world! ;D Bit like Shep and his Obey stickers ;D Silky, I have already been proposed that, but refused. I don't want people to believe I've been to places I've actually never been to. And I don't want people to "work" for me... If somebody feels like stencilling something where he lives, I'd rather advise or give a few tips to help him/her come up with his/her own stuff... I don't understand the Obey thing very well... Makes Obey sound like a firm, a multinational company... sounds strange to me... And when i see an Obey paste-up here or there, I can't know whether it was done by Shepard himself or by a "fan"... I'm not judging, but only saying that I wouldn't feel like doing that. Makes me feel a bit uncomfortable... |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Martin Whatson on Oct 17, 2007 15:28:02 GMT 1, Well, it's a wellknown fact that people often use the same image or copy stencils and use them as their own.
But there is several worse incidents that i know of. Check this site out youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/
Just make sure you use your own pictures so you don't end up using the same image as any other stencil artitst out there, and remember every time we use other peoples photos we also "steal" some from them.
Don't think you should worry too much about this jef. Your work is better anyway.
Well, it's a wellknown fact that people often use the same image or copy stencils and use them as their own. But there is several worse incidents that i know of. Check this site out youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/Just make sure you use your own pictures so you don't end up using the same image as any other stencil artitst out there, and remember every time we use other peoples photos we also "steal" some from them. Don't think you should worry too much about this jef. Your work is better anyway. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by buster on Oct 17, 2007 15:57:22 GMT 1, I don't understand the Obey thing very well... Makes Obey sound like a firm, a multinational company... sounds strange to me... And when i see an Obey paste-up here or there, I can't know whether it was done by Shepard himself or by a "fan"... I'm not judging, but only saying that I wouldn't feel like doing that. Makes me feel a bit uncomfortable... I think, at least in the past that was part of Obey's ethos and appeal Jef, he has / had a thing about being a brand, a globaly recognised symbol along the lines of propoganda in 1984 / big brother is watching you type of thing. Most artist require their work to be as personal as possible, where as Fairey was working the opposite tack.
I don't understand the Obey thing very well... Makes Obey sound like a firm, a multinational company... sounds strange to me... And when i see an Obey paste-up here or there, I can't know whether it was done by Shepard himself or by a "fan"... I'm not judging, but only saying that I wouldn't feel like doing that. Makes me feel a bit uncomfortable... I think, at least in the past that was part of Obey's ethos and appeal Jef, he has / had a thing about being a brand, a globaly recognised symbol along the lines of propoganda in 1984 / big brother is watching you type of thing. Most artist require their work to be as personal as possible, where as Fairey was working the opposite tack. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by manchestermike on Oct 17, 2007 15:57:52 GMT 1, Cashman, thanks a lot ! I knew we actually agreed ! peace jef PS : about the "neg", have just learnt what this term means ! This is something i never check... Actually if I may suggest something, Silky : this system of "karma, points/respect" should be suppressed ! I'm afraid it creates some sort of competition that might not be very healthy... enough grading at school, do we need it here ? Jef, to be fair I had same opinion as you, Silky did try and remove the respect system for a while but it didn't work, it does seem to calm the more undesireable aspects of being a forum member!!
It would have worked in the long run, easily... just like when anything is taken away there is a period of change.
Cashman, thanks a lot ! I knew we actually agreed ! peace jef PS : about the "neg", have just learnt what this term means ! This is something i never check... Actually if I may suggest something, Silky : this system of "karma, points/respect" should be suppressed ! I'm afraid it creates some sort of competition that might not be very healthy... enough grading at school, do we need it here ? Jef, to be fair I had same opinion as you, Silky did try and remove the respect system for a while but it didn't work, it does seem to calm the more undesireable aspects of being a forum member!! It would have worked in the long run, easily... just like when anything is taken away there is a period of change. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 17, 2007 16:02:11 GMT 1, Nuart, you said : ![]() it's hardly the sign of artistic genius cutting a stencil of a boy with his arms around his knees
Oh my god, I'm at a loss now !
I never pretended I was an artistic genius !!!
I just don't know what to say now, this thread is taking a very weird direction !
Let's all cool down as I have a feeling we actually all agree on the main points ![/quote]
Sent you a PM Jeff.. didn't come out quite as meant, no offence intended. Was just highlighting the fact that it'd be difficult to claim authorship of a seated position. On closer inspection the body is cut very similar to yours but with another head.. so maybe it's a portrait. He probably lifted yours to make life a bit easier for himself Let's just accuse him of being lazy hey ;D
Nuart, you said : ![]() it's hardly the sign of artistic genius cutting a stencil of a boy with his arms around his knees [/img] Oh my god, I'm at a loss now ! I never pretended I was an artistic genius !!! I just don't know what to say now, this thread is taking a very weird direction ! Let's all cool down as I have a feeling we actually all agree on the main points ![/quote] Sent you a PM Jeff.. didn't come out quite as meant, no offence intended. Was just highlighting the fact that it'd be difficult to claim authorship of a seated position. On closer inspection the body is cut very similar to yours but with another head.. so maybe it's a portrait. He probably lifted yours to make life a bit easier for himself Let's just accuse him of being lazy hey ;D |
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