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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by cashman on Oct 17, 2007 16:08:55 GMT 1, Jef, to be fair I had same opinion as you, Silky did try and remove the respect system for a while but it didn't work, it does seem to calm the more undesireable aspects of being a forum member!!  It would have worked in the long run, easily... just like when anything is taken away there is a period of change.
I actually thought it worked wel, there did seem to be a lot more communication without it Ive never found another forum that uses the system either
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Jef, to be fair I had same opinion as you, Silky did try and remove the respect system for a while but it didn't work, it does seem to calm the more undesireable aspects of being a forum member!! It would have worked in the long run, easily... just like when anything is taken away there is a period of change. I actually thought it worked wel, there did seem to be a lot more communication without it Ive never found another forum that uses the system either [glow=red,2,300]edit:[/glow] off comes another point |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by cashman on Oct 17, 2007 16:17:22 GMT 1, and another
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 17:06:05 GMT 1, Sent you a PM Jeff.. didn't come out quite as meant, no offence intended. Was just highlighting the fact that it'd be difficult to claim authorship of a seated position. On closer inspection the body is cut very similar to yours but with another head.. so maybe it's a portrait. He probably lifted yours to make life a bit easier for himself  Let's just accuse him of being lazy hey ;D Oh yes Nuart, thanks for the pm, have just replied to it ! Far from me the idea of claiming authorship of a seated postion, of course !!! lol ! and, anyway, I myself "borrow" pictures to turn them into stencils... I sometimes use my own pics, but obviously I didn't take the pics of Hendrix, Morrison, Dylan, Iggy or Basquiat myself ! So it's a story of robbed robbers !!! erm... maybe i shouldn't have started this thread at all !? lol !!! thanks to you all for those ideas, opinions, directions, pieces of avice and warnings... a great help to question oneself again and again and never take anything for granted or never stay on one's position... I love the way I unlearn and relearn everyday...
Sent you a PM Jeff.. didn't come out quite as meant, no offence intended. Was just highlighting the fact that it'd be difficult to claim authorship of a seated position. On closer inspection the body is cut very similar to yours but with another head.. so maybe it's a portrait. He probably lifted yours to make life a bit easier for himself Let's just accuse him of being lazy hey ;D Oh yes Nuart, thanks for the pm, have just replied to it ! Far from me the idea of claiming authorship of a seated postion, of course !!! lol ! and, anyway, I myself "borrow" pictures to turn them into stencils... I sometimes use my own pics, but obviously I didn't take the pics of Hendrix, Morrison, Dylan, Iggy or Basquiat myself ! So it's a story of robbed robbers !!! erm... maybe i shouldn't have started this thread at all !? lol !!! thanks to you all for those ideas, opinions, directions, pieces of avice and warnings... a great help to question oneself again and again and never take anything for granted or never stay on one's position... I love the way I unlearn and relearn everyday... |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by aj on Oct 17, 2007 19:18:50 GMT 1, It's easy! seems to me that the artist in iran and banksy were both students at that school, however banksy clearly excelled A+ , and the other lad, "must try harder" C- 
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 19:55:52 GMT 1, aj : ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by BK83 on Oct 17, 2007 20:01:24 GMT 1, "good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Pablo Picasso.
"good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Pablo Picasso.
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 20:12:46 GMT 1, "Art is either plagiarism or revolution."
Paul Gauguin
"Pictures deface walls more often than they decorate them. "
William Wordsworth
"Immature artists imitate. Mature artists steal. "
Lionel Trilling
"Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal. "
Igor Stravinsky
"Every production of an artist should be the expression of an adventure of his soul."
W. Somerset Maugham
"Art is either plagiarism or revolution."
Paul Gauguin
"Pictures deface walls more often than they decorate them. "
William Wordsworth
"Immature artists imitate. Mature artists steal. "
Lionel Trilling
"Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal. "
Igor Stravinsky
"Every production of an artist should be the expression of an adventure of his soul."
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 17, 2007 20:18:36 GMT 1, Art is not to be taught in Academies. It is what one looks at, not what one listens to, that makes the artist. The real schools should be the streets.
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish poet and dramatist.
Art is not to be taught in Academies. It is what one looks at, not what one listens to, that makes the artist. The real schools should be the streets.
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish poet and dramatist.
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by BK83 on Oct 17, 2007 20:48:59 GMT 1, "well look what I started - quotes!"
JayPaav (1983 - ) Banksy forum member.
"well look what I started - quotes!"
JayPaav (1983 - ) Banksy forum member.
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by dkla on Oct 17, 2007 20:52:15 GMT 1, Great Oscar Wilde quote pull, Nu...
Great Oscar Wilde quote pull, Nu...
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 17, 2007 21:40:12 GMT 1, ah Oscar ! My hero...
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Rene Gagnon on Oct 18, 2007 15:22:12 GMT 1, interesting debate here. i think all artists are guilty of lifting photos to use as a stencil or wheatpaste or reference, with our own little twist of course. personally, i try at least to use all of my own reference photos, but for some things its just impossible and most of the time for me because i don't like fussing over an idea, i like to get it out and move on. but as jef has said, its just too easy to go on the net and find a photo that will work. not sure if this was mentioned but is there a chance the sitting boy stencil was made from a net photo, because as most of us know using vector conversion tools and certain filters can produce the same resluts and if 2 artists are using the same photo....... which i guess we have to be careful of. i mean just today i was searching for reference for a cctv and the very first photo that came up was a cluster of cameras, and i said wait i've seen that before, sure enough the photo when flipped horizontally was a match for the painting by banksy with the cameras in the field. in a world saturated by the internet and artists trying to get themselves out there, we need to be aware of this. another point.. now its fine if jef is using a photo of hendrix and such for one off canvases, if that image ever went to print he could face copyright infringement and fines, technically when an artist uses a reference photo in "any" capacity someone else took, they are violating copyright. the chances are slim when the reference your using is a small aspect of the finished work. but for instance if someone could prove, lets use the case of jefs portraits, that the image produced has an overwhelming similarity to the photo and jef couldn't prove otherwise that photographer would have to be compensated, now the chances are slim of this happening becasue the photographer would have to hire lawyers and it would have to be worthwhile, say the print generated a million in revenue. one other thing refering to the dface issue, and a great conversation myself and nick walker had at nuart, a lot of us are all on the same page.... the same things are effecting us, so we're all putting the same s**t into our work, we are bound to have these similarities in our work because of the times we live in. one instance we shared was... i keep a sketch book with all my ideas in it as does nick, seems if i/nick wait too long to come out with something in the street or on canvas, sure enough another artist does something very similar to it before i get it out there, because we are all on the same page. now as artists what do we do? do i still bring the idea to fruition and risk being called a copycat, or do i stick to my guns and say "look i had a similar idea before i saw the other guys work" will anyone beleive me? regardless of whos is considered a more successful image, the association exists and could ruin an opportunity. both nick and i have had ideas like this and chosen not to make it real. some ideas we actually shared between the 2 of us. oh and at some point i'll post a print a friend of mine did in 1999 of a converted dollar, the similarities between his and dFaces are eerily similar but again, not out of the realm of possiblity of 2 artists having the same idea. oh and theres no chance dFace ever saw this print. peace.
interesting debate here. i think all artists are guilty of lifting photos to use as a stencil or wheatpaste or reference, with our own little twist of course. personally, i try at least to use all of my own reference photos, but for some things its just impossible and most of the time for me because i don't like fussing over an idea, i like to get it out and move on. but as jef has said, its just too easy to go on the net and find a photo that will work. not sure if this was mentioned but is there a chance the sitting boy stencil was made from a net photo, because as most of us know using vector conversion tools and certain filters can produce the same resluts and if 2 artists are using the same photo....... which i guess we have to be careful of. i mean just today i was searching for reference for a cctv and the very first photo that came up was a cluster of cameras, and i said wait i've seen that before, sure enough the photo when flipped horizontally was a match for the painting by banksy with the cameras in the field. in a world saturated by the internet and artists trying to get themselves out there, we need to be aware of this. another point.. now its fine if jef is using a photo of hendrix and such for one off canvases, if that image ever went to print he could face copyright infringement and fines, technically when an artist uses a reference photo in "any" capacity someone else took, they are violating copyright. the chances are slim when the reference your using is a small aspect of the finished work. but for instance if someone could prove, lets use the case of jefs portraits, that the image produced has an overwhelming similarity to the photo and jef couldn't prove otherwise that photographer would have to be compensated, now the chances are slim of this happening becasue the photographer would have to hire lawyers and it would have to be worthwhile, say the print generated a million in revenue. one other thing refering to the dface issue, and a great conversation myself and nick walker had at nuart, a lot of us are all on the same page.... the same things are effecting us, so we're all putting the same s**t into our work, we are bound to have these similarities in our work because of the times we live in. one instance we shared was... i keep a sketch book with all my ideas in it as does nick, seems if i/nick wait too long to come out with something in the street or on canvas, sure enough another artist does something very similar to it before i get it out there, because we are all on the same page. now as artists what do we do? do i still bring the idea to fruition and risk being called a copycat, or do i stick to my guns and say "look i had a similar idea before i saw the other guys work" will anyone beleive me? regardless of whos is considered a more successful image, the association exists and could ruin an opportunity. both nick and i have had ideas like this and chosen not to make it real. some ideas we actually shared between the 2 of us. oh and at some point i'll post a print a friend of mine did in 1999 of a converted dollar, the similarities between his and dFaces are eerily similar but again, not out of the realm of possiblity of 2 artists having the same idea. oh and theres no chance dFace ever saw this print. peace.
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by mike hunt on Oct 18, 2007 15:58:36 GMT 1, True Snoman. Its only when you remove yourself from the influences (by going somewhere far away with a completely alien culture) that you realise how much artists and designers are influenced by the culture around us.
True Snoman. Its only when you remove yourself from the influences (by going somewhere far away with a completely alien culture) that you realise how much artists and designers are influenced by the culture around us.
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 18, 2007 16:02:29 GMT 1, And I'm still making that suicide bomber t-shirt whatever Snoman says :-) he he
And I'm still making that suicide bomber t-shirt whatever Snoman says :-) he he
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 22, 2007 18:12:10 GMT 1, Renรฉ, your post is quite interesting and i quite agree with you on those topics. I would never publish prints with, say, my Basquiat or Warhol stencilled portraits... I confess using photos i find in my huge collection of fanzines, mags, record covers, posters, books, newspapers and also internet... But, I don't like using images that are already too iconic : would never stencil the world famous photos of the Che or andy's Marylin, for instance... Besides, I make the photos mine when i paint them : I alter/interpret/transform/stylize them... I reframe, I close-up, i crop, I only use detail, i add other elements, etc... In 25 years I've never had any problem of copyright, either about my street work or my originals on canvas and paper. The question was raised when I published my book, a few months ago. There are 225 stencilled portraits of famous (and less famous) people in it. But they are only photos or originals. It would be different, as you say, if i had issued series of multiples (prints, T-Shirts, postcards, etc...). Also, some of my celebs are re-worked : for example, my sitting gandhi never existed as such before i did a montage of his face with somebody else's body ! So, it's mine in a way...
In the 80s, to avoid all problems linked with copyright, i used to work mainly on selfportraits (photobooth-photomaton identity photos)... And, as a matter of fact, I'm now working on new series of self portraits again... At least, I'm pretty sure i won't strat a lawsuit against myself ! lol !
Renรฉ, your post is quite interesting and i quite agree with you on those topics. I would never publish prints with, say, my Basquiat or Warhol stencilled portraits... I confess using photos i find in my huge collection of fanzines, mags, record covers, posters, books, newspapers and also internet... But, I don't like using images that are already too iconic : would never stencil the world famous photos of the Che or andy's Marylin, for instance... Besides, I make the photos mine when i paint them : I alter/interpret/transform/stylize them... I reframe, I close-up, i crop, I only use detail, i add other elements, etc... In 25 years I've never had any problem of copyright, either about my street work or my originals on canvas and paper. The question was raised when I published my book, a few months ago. There are 225 stencilled portraits of famous (and less famous) people in it. But they are only photos or originals. It would be different, as you say, if i had issued series of multiples (prints, T-Shirts, postcards, etc...). Also, some of my celebs are re-worked : for example, my sitting gandhi never existed as such before i did a montage of his face with somebody else's body ! So, it's mine in a way... In the 80s, to avoid all problems linked with copyright, i used to work mainly on selfportraits (photobooth-photomaton identity photos)... And, as a matter of fact, I'm now working on new series of self portraits again... At least, I'm pretty sure i won't strat a lawsuit against myself ! lol ! |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by numusic on Oct 22, 2007 18:27:02 GMT 1, Renรฉ, your post is quite interesting and i quite agree with you on those topics. I would never publish prints with, say, my Basquiat or Warhol stencilled portraits... I confess using photos i find in my huge collection of fanzines, mags, record covers, posters, books, newspapers and also internet... But, I don't like using images that are already too iconic : would never stencil the world famous photos of the Che or andy's Marylin, for instance... Besides, I make the photos mine when i paint them : I alter/interpret/transform/stylize them... I reframe, I close-up, i crop, I only use detail, i add other elements, etc... In 25 years I've never had any problem of copyright, either about my street work or my originals on canvas and paper. The question was raised when I published my book, a few months ago. There are 225 stencilled portraits of famous (and less famous) people in it. But they are only photos or originals. It would be different, as you say, if i had issued series of multiples (prints, T-Shirts, postcards, etc...). Also, some of my celebs are re-worked : for example, my sitting gandhi never existed as such before i did a montage of his face with somebody else's body ! So, it's mine in a way... In the 80s, to avoid all problems linked with copyright, i used to work mainly on selfportraits (photobooth-photomaton identity photos)... And, as a matter of fact, I'm now working on new series of self portraits again... At least, I'm pretty sure i won't strat a lawsuit against myself ! lol !
Hi Jef, can you maybe give us a bit of insight into why you stencil famous people ? not really getting it myself. I realise it's something of a trademark for you, but it all seems very impersonal. Much prefer your crouching boy and the more personal work where we can see some emotion. The "famous people" work, seems to leave little or no room for the public to bring anything to the work other than what we've learned about these people through the media. Be interested to hear your take on it.
Renรฉ, your post is quite interesting and i quite agree with you on those topics. I would never publish prints with, say, my Basquiat or Warhol stencilled portraits... I confess using photos i find in my huge collection of fanzines, mags, record covers, posters, books, newspapers and also internet... But, I don't like using images that are already too iconic : would never stencil the world famous photos of the Che or andy's Marylin, for instance... Besides, I make the photos mine when i paint them : I alter/interpret/transform/stylize them... I reframe, I close-up, i crop, I only use detail, i add other elements, etc... In 25 years I've never had any problem of copyright, either about my street work or my originals on canvas and paper. The question was raised when I published my book, a few months ago. There are 225 stencilled portraits of famous (and less famous) people in it. But they are only photos or originals. It would be different, as you say, if i had issued series of multiples (prints, T-Shirts, postcards, etc...). Also, some of my celebs are re-worked : for example, my sitting gandhi never existed as such before i did a montage of his face with somebody else's body ! So, it's mine in a way... In the 80s, to avoid all problems linked with copyright, i used to work mainly on selfportraits (photobooth-photomaton identity photos)... And, as a matter of fact, I'm now working on new series of self portraits again... At least, I'm pretty sure i won't strat a lawsuit against myself ! lol ! Hi Jef, can you maybe give us a bit of insight into why you stencil famous people ? not really getting it myself. I realise it's something of a trademark for you, but it all seems very impersonal. Much prefer your crouching boy and the more personal work where we can see some emotion. The "famous people" work, seems to leave little or no room for the public to bring anything to the work other than what we've learned about these people through the media. Be interested to hear your take on it. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 22, 2007 18:49:30 GMT 1, Hi Nuart
I perfectly understand what you mean...
On the street, I tend to stencil lifesize black/white characters. Some are totally anonymous (my beggar, old woman, sitting kid, crouching boy, black child, busker, jumping flute player, etc etc) and others are more famous (Barrett, lennon, Gandhi, Amalia Rodrigues, Nick Drake, Dylan, etc.)... On the street, if some people don't recognize the well-known characters, it doesn't matter to me. My point isn't there. Those people are witnesses of the life on the street, they are part of it, they are like "stills" from the movie of life... I select them because of a posture, an attitude... At the same time, if people say : woww ! Jimi and Nick !!! My heros... why not ? I don't decide upon what my new stencil will be in terms of fame or not... But you see, all those people (rock stars, writers, actors...) are so much part of my life... In my book, I explain all that saying that they have really fed my life and given a meaning to it... I'm so much into music and all... I've collected fanzines, records (more than 2000 vinyl albums at home and probably as many E-Ps and singles..), concert posters, gig tickets, photos, papers... Those famous people aren't "famous people" for me, they are like friends, bros and sisters, they are my life ! My own museum or art gallery is my recor covers ! at a time when there was no internet, no video cassettes, no cable TV, no satellite channels, no computer, each and every record sleeve was a jewel, i observed photos and pictures, drawings etc I knew them all by heart... When I started stencilling all those people, it was like pinning posters in my teenager's bedroom... And i decided that my bedroom was too small, in a way, and started hitting the walls on the street ! stencilling Nick Drake or Bert Jansch or Sandy Denny is an involvement. Hard to explain. When Syd Barrett died, a week later I was in london pasting up his silhouette on the walls... I just HAD to do it... When you say there's no emotion in my portraits of famous people, it surprizes me even if I understand what you mean... Stencilling Barrett in london, Dirk Bogarde in Venice, Fernado Pessoa and Amalia Rodrigues in Lisbon was a tremendous source of emotion for me and for quite a lot of people from what I can read on flickr and on the emails and letters I received. It's also a way of recalling old memories, of gathering people who have experienced similar things. When I got that email from an old friend of Amalia's who thanked me for having given her a new life on Lisbon steet, the emotion was extreme and i could have cried...
This is about my street work...
I'd have a lot to say about my portraits on canvas, but please be patient as it's dinnertime here now and I'm being called to dinner by my wife and kids !!! lol ! And family is sacred ! More later...
peace
j
Hi Nuart
I perfectly understand what you mean...
On the street, I tend to stencil lifesize black/white characters. Some are totally anonymous (my beggar, old woman, sitting kid, crouching boy, black child, busker, jumping flute player, etc etc) and others are more famous (Barrett, lennon, Gandhi, Amalia Rodrigues, Nick Drake, Dylan, etc.)... On the street, if some people don't recognize the well-known characters, it doesn't matter to me. My point isn't there. Those people are witnesses of the life on the street, they are part of it, they are like "stills" from the movie of life... I select them because of a posture, an attitude... At the same time, if people say : woww ! Jimi and Nick !!! My heros... why not ? I don't decide upon what my new stencil will be in terms of fame or not... But you see, all those people (rock stars, writers, actors...) are so much part of my life... In my book, I explain all that saying that they have really fed my life and given a meaning to it... I'm so much into music and all... I've collected fanzines, records (more than 2000 vinyl albums at home and probably as many E-Ps and singles..), concert posters, gig tickets, photos, papers... Those famous people aren't "famous people" for me, they are like friends, bros and sisters, they are my life ! My own museum or art gallery is my recor covers ! at a time when there was no internet, no video cassettes, no cable TV, no satellite channels, no computer, each and every record sleeve was a jewel, i observed photos and pictures, drawings etc I knew them all by heart... When I started stencilling all those people, it was like pinning posters in my teenager's bedroom... And i decided that my bedroom was too small, in a way, and started hitting the walls on the street ! stencilling Nick Drake or Bert Jansch or Sandy Denny is an involvement. Hard to explain. When Syd Barrett died, a week later I was in london pasting up his silhouette on the walls... I just HAD to do it... When you say there's no emotion in my portraits of famous people, it surprizes me even if I understand what you mean... Stencilling Barrett in london, Dirk Bogarde in Venice, Fernado Pessoa and Amalia Rodrigues in Lisbon was a tremendous source of emotion for me and for quite a lot of people from what I can read on flickr and on the emails and letters I received. It's also a way of recalling old memories, of gathering people who have experienced similar things. When I got that email from an old friend of Amalia's who thanked me for having given her a new life on Lisbon steet, the emotion was extreme and i could have cried...
This is about my street work...
I'd have a lot to say about my portraits on canvas, but please be patient as it's dinnertime here now and I'm being called to dinner by my wife and kids !!! lol ! And family is sacred ! More later...
peace
j
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by tomjedimaster on Oct 22, 2007 23:59:11 GMT 1, don't know if others among you have exprerienced this ? It's a funny surprise... anybody here has ever seen copied stencils of pieces by other stencillers ?
Hi Jeff, my experience is from a different industry. I work in the motor sport industry (F1, Nascar, rally, moto gp) and was initially a designer. I developed a couple of components which were used to try to obtain some business with p*rsch@. They never used our equipment, but 24 months later a patent was registered by this company which had a copy of my drawing within the document! Personally, I thought it was funny that a building full of german designers was no match for a canadian/croatian living in england . After a bit of fighting by my bosses, the patent was withdrawn by the friendly company.
As for the other component I designed, well they copied it and built it on the C@rr*r@ GT.
I never felt pissed off about it, because at the end of the day:
- they put something good on the car
- I wouldn't have received any more money for it
- perhaps I have inspired some germans how to design some of their future parts
- and now I have a story to tell at the pub ;D
As for your sitting boy getting ripped off, that's what happens when you enter the public domain. These kids need to start somewhere before they develop their own work. Well it might as well be copying one of your images and techniques. Who knows, it might inspire you to progress your work further once you see some of these kids work in the future.
don't know if others among you have exprerienced this ? It's a funny surprise... anybody here has ever seen copied stencils of pieces by other stencillers ? Hi Jeff, my experience is from a different industry. I work in the motor sport industry (F1, Nascar, rally, moto gp) and was initially a designer. I developed a couple of components which were used to try to obtain some business with p*rsch@. They never used our equipment, but 24 months later a patent was registered by this company which had a copy of my drawing within the document! Personally, I thought it was funny that a building full of german designers was no match for a canadian/croatian living in england . After a bit of fighting by my bosses, the patent was withdrawn by the friendly company. As for the other component I designed, well they copied it and built it on the C@rr*r@ GT. I never felt pissed off about it, because at the end of the day: - they put something good on the car
- I wouldn't have received any more money for it
- perhaps I have inspired some germans how to design some of their future parts
- and now I have a story to tell at the pub ;D
As for your sitting boy getting ripped off, that's what happens when you enter the public domain. These kids need to start somewhere before they develop their own work. Well it might as well be copying one of your images and techniques. Who knows, it might inspire you to progress your work further once you see some of these kids work in the future. |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Oct 23, 2007 0:52:35 GMT 1, well put, man ! I agree with you ! And as I said before nothing belongs to noone, nothing is new, all is transformed !
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Neverwork on Oct 23, 2007 6:59:33 GMT 1, "everything has already been said and very few people have gained anything from it, because our ideas are in themselves commonplace they can only be of value to people who are not" vaneigem - the revolution of everyday life
"everything has already been said and very few people have gained anything from it, because our ideas are in themselves commonplace they can only be of value to people who are not" vaneigem - the revolution of everyday life
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by runningdog on Oct 23, 2007 9:10:57 GMT 1, So is D*Face about to get sued by the Warhol foundation?
So is D*Face about to get sued by the Warhol foundation?
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Jef Aerosol
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 29, 2007 15:39:29 GMT 1, Hi friends,
I thought that maybe you'd be interested in knowing about the conclusion of it all (and it's a nice conclusion). Here are the message Icy sent me and my reply :
----- Original Message -----
From: ice punk
To: jefaerosol@free.fr
hi Jef Aรฉrosol my name is ICY
i ashamed to you .my name is icy 22 years old live in iran
when i see your work i like it cause make inspired form your work 1 year latter
and now all work in blog my own original work cause i love stencil art in IRAN -tabriz in walls and accept your advise Jef and i want improving my works in iran
Jef i deleted inspired your work from my blog and i ashamed  plz deleted copied post i u want because now all my work my own and i 1 year latter decided not copied any workz and myself work.
i join pic of one my new stencil on paper for u
my blog www.ice-punk.blogspot.com
i want to be your friend Jef i ashamed u
----- Original Message -----
From: Jef Aerosol
To: ice punk
Dear Icy
Thank you so much for your message !
Don't worry about anything : everything is fine and I'd be very happy to be your friend too !
Congratulations for your paintings and no problem about having "borrowed" some elements of my "sitting kid" stencil...
You should not feel ashamed about anything, on the contrary you can be very proud of your stencils.
Being a street artist in Iran must be much harder than here and I have a lot of admiration and respect for your work.
If you want, I'd be very happy to swap stencils with you :
I can send you my "sitting kid" on paper and you can send me one of your own stencils in exchange. OK ?
(I'd need your postal address)
Maybe some day we'll meet here or there and work together, who knows ?
Till then, don't give up the art fight and take good care of yourself.
Your friend
Jef
Hi friends, I thought that maybe you'd be interested in knowing about the conclusion of it all (and it's a nice conclusion). Here are the message Icy sent me and my reply : ----- Original Message ----- From: ice punk To: jefaerosol@free.fr hi Jef Aรฉrosol my name is ICY i ashamed to you .my name is icy 22 years old live in iran when i see your work i like it cause make inspired form your work 1 year latter and now all work in blog my own original work cause i love stencil art in IRAN -tabriz in walls and accept your advise Jef and i want improving my works in iran Jef i deleted inspired your work from my blog and i ashamed plz deleted copied post i u want because now all my work my own and i 1 year latter decided not copied any workz and myself work. i join pic of one my new stencil on paper for u my blog www.ice-punk.blogspot.comi want to be your friend Jef i ashamed u ----- Original Message ----- From: Jef Aerosol To: ice punk Dear Icy Thank you so much for your message ! Don't worry about anything : everything is fine and I'd be very happy to be your friend too ! Congratulations for your paintings and no problem about having "borrowed" some elements of my "sitting kid" stencil... You should not feel ashamed about anything, on the contrary you can be very proud of your stencils. Being a street artist in Iran must be much harder than here and I have a lot of admiration and respect for your work. If you want, I'd be very happy to swap stencils with you : I can send you my "sitting kid" on paper and you can send me one of your own stencils in exchange. OK ? (I'd need your postal address) Maybe some day we'll meet here or there and work together, who knows ? Till then, don't give up the art fight and take good care of yourself. Your friend Jef |
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Harveyn
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Harveyn on Nov 29, 2007 15:44:56 GMT 1, Jef - Very cool ending indeed.
Jef - Very cool ending indeed.
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by headphonesex on Nov 29, 2007 15:46:20 GMT 1, i want to be your friend Jef i ashamed u
Ahh... bless!
i want to be your friend Jef i ashamed u Ahh... bless! |
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mike hunt
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by mike hunt on Nov 29, 2007 16:20:05 GMT 1, What a sweet lad! He wanted to say something visually but just didn't know how to express it in his own way. Jef Aerosol - exporting freedom of expression to Iran! How cool is that?!
What a sweet lad! He wanted to say something visually but just didn't know how to express it in his own way. Jef Aerosol - exporting freedom of expression to Iran! How cool is that?!
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robinbanks
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by robinbanks on Nov 29, 2007 16:37:15 GMT 1, I actually think I might cry - how sweet 
I actually think I might cry - how sweet |
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by daveanthony28 on Nov 29, 2007 17:43:57 GMT 1, Interesting Post & Jeff - what a gent very nice conclusion
Interesting Post & Jeff - what a gent very nice conclusion
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Jef Aerosol
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 29, 2007 18:02:10 GMT 1, Robinbanks, when I got his message, my eyes got wet too... Right then, i wished i could have been with him, stencilling together both our crouched kids on the streets of his city...
Robinbanks, when I got his message, my eyes got wet too... Right then, i wished i could have been with him, stencilling together both our crouched kids on the streets of his city...
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by jonpud on Nov 29, 2007 18:12:01 GMT 1, Love this, kind of Dolk, Jef and Banksy rolled into one!!!!!
Love this, kind of Dolk, Jef and Banksy rolled into one!!!!! |
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mike hunt
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Jef Aerosol ๐ซ๐ท Stencil Street Art , by mike hunt on Nov 29, 2007 18:21:46 GMT 1, Right then, i wished i could have been with him, stencilling together both our crouched kids on the streets of his city...
You might get a big surprise if you get caught though. Me thinks there would be some kind of special punishment for a westerner as well.
Right then, i wished i could have been with him, stencilling together both our crouched kids on the streets of his city... You might get a big surprise if you get caught though. Me thinks there would be some kind of special punishment for a westerner as well. |
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Let's just accuse him of being lazy hey ;D
plz deleted copied post i u want because now all my work my own and i 1 year latter decided not copied any workz and myself work.
