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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:18:18 GMT 1, Thanks for the education shaunyboy! Mr B has one of the longest promotions in history? can you explain please?
Thanks for the education shaunyboy! Mr B has one of the longest promotions in history? can you explain please?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:19:42 GMT 1, Think the crazy eyes where pointed at me BR, god knows what he's talking about, I'll coach it out of him :-)
Think the crazy eyes where pointed at me BR, god knows what he's talking about, I'll coach it out of him :-)
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by shaunyboy on Aug 11, 2009 23:28:31 GMT 1, Ummm tricky one this, I've brought a couple of the RP prints at Indeed even Mr B insists on selling his prints at below market value, one of the longest running promotions in history  i take it these mean I'm out of line for even insinuating that this 'promotion' may have lost a little of its shine? well my apologies - I can honestly say hand on heart that even comparing this with Banksy is somewhat surreal to say the least No-ones out of line dude, its just that I disagree with you thats all. I'm not sure what there is to complain about when a gallery offers some good prints at a great price. Some you like and buy and some you don't. I just don't understand the issue/problem. Sorry. Thanks for the education shaunyboy! Mr B has one of the longest promotions in history? can you explain please? I mean that Mr B sells his prints below market value thats all. I guess thats a promotion of sorts.
Ummm tricky one this, I've brought a couple of the RP prints at Indeed even Mr B insists on selling his prints at below market value, one of the longest running promotions in history i take it these mean I'm out of line for even insinuating that this 'promotion' may have lost a little of its shine? well my apologies - I can honestly say hand on heart that even comparing this with Banksy is somewhat surreal to say the least No-ones out of line dude, its just that I disagree with you thats all. I'm not sure what there is to complain about when a gallery offers some good prints at a great price. Some you like and buy and some you don't. I just don't understand the issue/problem. Sorry. Thanks for the education shaunyboy! Mr B has one of the longest promotions in history? can you explain please? I mean that Mr B sells his prints below market value thats all. I guess thats a promotion of sorts. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 23:31:48 GMT 1, No-ones out of line dude, its just that I disagree with you thats all. I'm not sure what there is to complain about when a gallery offers some good prints at a great price. Some you like and buy and some you don't. I just don't understand the issue/problem. Sorry. no problem Shauny - not complaining in the slightest (as said earlier I applaud the concept) just questioning the longivety of the 'idea' and the also the long term effect it may well have (at least in my head) on said artists
No-ones out of line dude, its just that I disagree with you thats all. I'm not sure what there is to complain about when a gallery offers some good prints at a great price. Some you like and buy and some you don't. I just don't understand the issue/problem. Sorry. no problem Shauny - not complaining in the slightest (as said earlier I applaud the concept) just questioning the longivety of the 'idea' and the also the long term effect it may well have (at least in my head) on said artists |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by shaunyboy on Aug 11, 2009 23:36:53 GMT 1, No-ones out of line dude, its just that I disagree with you thats all. I'm not sure what there is to complain about when a gallery offers some good prints at a great price. Some you like and buy and some you don't. I just don't understand the issue/problem. Sorry. no problem Shauny - not complaining in the slightest (as said earlier I applaud the concept) just questioning the longivety of the 'idea' and the also the long term effect it may well have (at least in my head) on said artists Fair enough  All good things come to an end ;D...............soon...eventually..down the line....
No-ones out of line dude, its just that I disagree with you thats all. I'm not sure what there is to complain about when a gallery offers some good prints at a great price. Some you like and buy and some you don't. I just don't understand the issue/problem. Sorry. no problem Shauny - not complaining in the slightest (as said earlier I applaud the concept) just questioning the longivety of the 'idea' and the also the long term effect it may well have (at least in my head) on said artists Fair enough All good things come to an end ;D...............soon...eventually..down the line.... |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:39:02 GMT 1, Fair enough Shauny, thanks for the response, enjoy it, from RP while it lasts, was just a thought on where the artists would go next.
Take it easy, and thanks RP for the opportunity to own great works...
Peace...MA
Fair enough Shauny, thanks for the response, enjoy it, from RP while it lasts, was just a thought on where the artists would go next.
Take it easy, and thanks RP for the opportunity to own great works...
Peace...MA
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by denzil on Aug 11, 2009 23:46:01 GMT 1, And the next ยฃ25 crunchburger at RPG is Washing line Zebra by BANKSEY on friday at 7pm for 24 hours only the email registraition is now closed ;D ;D ;D
And the next ยฃ25 crunchburger at RPG is Washing line Zebra by BANKSEY on friday at 7pm for 24 hours only the email registraition is now closed ;D ;D ;D
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by jusdeep on Aug 11, 2009 23:47:47 GMT 1, I've been pondering this for a while now and can't really see an outcome that is beneficial for artist, collectors and gallery with this scenario.
Don't get me wrong it's a great 'timely promotion' and I'm very happy to have picked up some fantastic prints along the way at a very minimal cost. But how much longer can this go on without affecting all parties? Pam Glew's releases were fantastic and no one even mention her contribution to this seemingless generous contribution. Obviously there is no comparison between an original and a print. We all know which we would rather spend our very hard earned oned on if we had it. I would hate this to be a money spinning idea which spirals out of control and does no favours for both art lovers, 'adoptees', gallery and artist alike.
I've been pondering this for a while now and can't really see an outcome that is beneficial for artist, collectors and gallery with this scenario.
Don't get me wrong it's a great 'timely promotion' and I'm very happy to have picked up some fantastic prints along the way at a very minimal cost. But how much longer can this go on without affecting all parties? Pam Glew's releases were fantastic and no one even mention her contribution to this seemingless generous contribution. Obviously there is no comparison between an original and a print. We all know which we would rather spend our very hard earned oned on if we had it. I would hate this to be a money spinning idea which spirals out of control and does no favours for both art lovers, 'adoptees', gallery and artist alike.
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:49:05 GMT 1, Ha! Who is BANKSEY?
Ha! Who is BANKSEY?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:52:54 GMT 1, Agree jusdeep, so what are you saying? Good for Pam or bad? And what does "Adoptess" mean?
Agree jusdeep, so what are you saying? Good for Pam or bad? And what does "Adoptess" mean?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by shaunyboy on Aug 11, 2009 23:53:07 GMT 1, But how much longer can this go on without affecting all parties?
Hi Jusdeep,
How do you think all the parties will get affected if it does go on?
But how much longer can this go on without affecting all parties? Hi Jusdeep, How do you think all the parties will get affected if it does go on? |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by denzil on Aug 11, 2009 23:53:56 GMT 1, dam you stella ;D
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:54:07 GMT 1, Sorry for all the questions, I'm just interested in peoples views!
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just interested in peoples views!
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 11, 2009 23:58:11 GMT 1, shaunyboy, you had the answers earlier?
shaunyboy, you had the answers earlier?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by shaunyboy on Aug 12, 2009 0:00:23 GMT 1, shaunyboy, you had the answers earlier?
I'm still trying to get my head round the negatives Not yet managed to.
shaunyboy, you had the answers earlier? I'm still trying to get my head round the negatives Not yet managed to. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by monkeyart on Aug 12, 2009 0:05:57 GMT 1, No negatives at the concept as a whole, just where do the artist now pitch themselves? On the other extreme Parla pitches his work very high, so purely from a commercial side, as an open debate does selling your prints cheap help your commerce in the future?
No negatives at the concept as a whole, just where do the artist now pitch themselves? On the other extreme Parla pitches his work very high, so purely from a commercial side, as an open debate does selling your prints cheap help your commerce in the future?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by jusdeep on Aug 12, 2009 0:10:56 GMT 1, I'm just concerned who's benefitting from this. Didn't mean it as a dig , but everyone seems to be skirting the issue. Too much of a good thing is not always a good thing and all that.
Monkeyart: Adoptees means other galleries who have adopted a similar or exact replicant of said profile.
And nothing at all against Pam, she's lovely, grounded, her work is fresh, fantastic, a breath of fresh air, as with all of Rp's artists.
Shaunboy, who knows man. If this goes on I will be several quid short of a ferret
I'm just concerned who's benefitting from this. Didn't mean it as a dig , but everyone seems to be skirting the issue. Too much of a good thing is not always a good thing and all that.
Monkeyart: Adoptees means other galleries who have adopted a similar or exact replicant of said profile.
And nothing at all against Pam, she's lovely, grounded, her work is fresh, fantastic, a breath of fresh air, as with all of Rp's artists.
Shaunboy, who knows man. If this goes on I will be several quid short of a ferret
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 13, 2009 14:26:59 GMT 1, I'm pleased that a few people have come out and add weight to Sakyamuni's argument. It didn't initially make any sense to me and I couldn't, on the face of it, see any downside for anyone.
From my point of view, the gallery gets to turn over a bit extra in tough times when it's probably not a great idea to have too much excess stock lying around. The artists get to put more printed work out there and perhaps over the long term increase their popularity, using these prints as sort of promotional examples of their style at prices where younger collectors and those not so well-off at the moment can have access and enjoy the work. Collectors who may usually (or at the moment) otherwise not have the cash to buy work by these artists, have an opportunity to do so. So in the here and now, it seems that there are some very obvious upsides for all concerned.
Regarding the future, while I do respect the idea of "too much of a good thing," as a group of collectors, I'm struggling to see what exactly is being complained about here or what the potential upside of RP NOT selling cheap prints might be. All good things come to an end, so why not allow the promotion to run until it fizzles out naturally, if that's what happens?
From a commercial perspective, who's losing out and how? Perhaps I'm being a bit thick here, but taking Guy Denning as an example, I can't imagine his oil paintings on canvas being devalued because of the secondary or primary market pricing of a few giclees. Is this naive of me? In actual fact, to date, there's not been much of a secondary market for Guy's print work in any case and I'd suggest that the same is true for the other artists involved in this promotion, some of whom are in contrast still young and finding their way in the market. From the gallery's perspective, again, RP have not really struck me as being primarily a print house in the past. In my relatively layman opinion they put on shows of top quality to promote their artists and do a great job on promotion. This latest idea is no exception.
Sometimes I think people in here focus very unnecessarily on investment value and financial upside and downside potential of purchases. If you're dropping hundreds or thousands, I respect why you'd do that, but these are ยฃ25!!! IMO they're a great opportunity for us to enjoy some high quality art on our walls at bargain prices and for a few newcomers to test the water with some affordable purchases and personally, I hope it keeps going for a while yet.
I'm pleased that a few people have come out and add weight to Sakyamuni's argument. It didn't initially make any sense to me and I couldn't, on the face of it, see any downside for anyone.
From my point of view, the gallery gets to turn over a bit extra in tough times when it's probably not a great idea to have too much excess stock lying around. The artists get to put more printed work out there and perhaps over the long term increase their popularity, using these prints as sort of promotional examples of their style at prices where younger collectors and those not so well-off at the moment can have access and enjoy the work. Collectors who may usually (or at the moment) otherwise not have the cash to buy work by these artists, have an opportunity to do so. So in the here and now, it seems that there are some very obvious upsides for all concerned.
Regarding the future, while I do respect the idea of "too much of a good thing," as a group of collectors, I'm struggling to see what exactly is being complained about here or what the potential upside of RP NOT selling cheap prints might be. All good things come to an end, so why not allow the promotion to run until it fizzles out naturally, if that's what happens?
From a commercial perspective, who's losing out and how? Perhaps I'm being a bit thick here, but taking Guy Denning as an example, I can't imagine his oil paintings on canvas being devalued because of the secondary or primary market pricing of a few giclees. Is this naive of me? In actual fact, to date, there's not been much of a secondary market for Guy's print work in any case and I'd suggest that the same is true for the other artists involved in this promotion, some of whom are in contrast still young and finding their way in the market. From the gallery's perspective, again, RP have not really struck me as being primarily a print house in the past. In my relatively layman opinion they put on shows of top quality to promote their artists and do a great job on promotion. This latest idea is no exception.
Sometimes I think people in here focus very unnecessarily on investment value and financial upside and downside potential of purchases. If you're dropping hundreds or thousands, I respect why you'd do that, but these are ยฃ25!!! IMO they're a great opportunity for us to enjoy some high quality art on our walls at bargain prices and for a few newcomers to test the water with some affordable purchases and personally, I hope it keeps going for a while yet.
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by nex on Aug 13, 2009 14:29:49 GMT 1, I'm pleased that a few people have come out and add weight to Sakyamuni's argument. It didn't initially make any sense to me and I couldn't, on the face of it, see any downside for anyone. From my point of view, the gallery gets to turn over a bit extra in tough times when it's probably not a great idea to have too much excess stock lying around.
haven't read your whole post yet, but just wanted to ask off the bat, what excess stock? These prints are the number bought no more / no less?
I'm pleased that a few people have come out and add weight to Sakyamuni's argument. It didn't initially make any sense to me and I couldn't, on the face of it, see any downside for anyone. From my point of view, the gallery gets to turn over a bit extra in tough times when it's probably not a great idea to have too much excess stock lying around. haven't read your whole post yet, but just wanted to ask off the bat, what excess stock? These prints are the number bought no more / no less? |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by nex on Aug 13, 2009 14:31:00 GMT 1, I'm struggling to see what exactly is being complained about here
I don't see anyone complaining?
I'm struggling to see what exactly is being complained about here I don't see anyone complaining? |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by nex on Aug 13, 2009 14:35:53 GMT 1,
I think the 'concern' that's being shown is simply that of observers wondering what selling cheap prints to a dwindling amount of people has on the perceived value of said artist...
but hey, as all the others who dared say something out of the norm on this subject I don't wish any ill on the gallery or artists, just wonder how long this can go on for?
I think the 'concern' that's being shown is simply that of observers wondering what selling cheap prints to a dwindling amount of people has on the perceived value of said artist...
but hey, as all the others who dared say something out of the norm on this subject I don't wish any ill on the gallery or artists, just wonder how long this can go on for?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 13, 2009 14:44:10 GMT 1, I'm pleased that a few people have come out and add weight to Sakyamuni's argument. It didn't initially make any sense to me and I couldn't, on the face of it, see any downside for anyone. From my point of view, the gallery gets to turn over a bit extra in tough times when it's probably not a great idea to have too much excess stock lying around. haven't read your whole post yet, but just wanted to ask off the bat, what excess stock? These prints are the number bought no more / no less?
That was my point. While other prints of limited edition may sit in the racks, these by definition all sell, not leaving dead stock.
I'm pleased that a few people have come out and add weight to Sakyamuni's argument. It didn't initially make any sense to me and I couldn't, on the face of it, see any downside for anyone. From my point of view, the gallery gets to turn over a bit extra in tough times when it's probably not a great idea to have too much excess stock lying around. haven't read your whole post yet, but just wanted to ask off the bat, what excess stock? These prints are the number bought no more / no less? That was my point. While other prints of limited edition may sit in the racks, these by definition all sell, not leaving dead stock. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Daniel Silk on Aug 13, 2009 14:44:53 GMT 1, People are getting the chance to buy art at really low prices. Cant see anything wrong with that  Is that not how POW started out?
The only thing I would worry about is how long can the Gallery and Artists carry on doing it?  coz they cant be getting much money out of it.
People are getting the chance to buy art at really low prices. Cant see anything wrong with that Is that not how POW started out? The only thing I would worry about is how long can the Gallery and Artists carry on doing it? coz they cant be getting much money out of it. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by graffalo on Aug 13, 2009 14:45:05 GMT 1, Can anyone comment on the quality of these prints? I assume that for ยฃ25 they are not hand pulled screen prints?
Can anyone comment on the quality of these prints? I assume that for ยฃ25 they are not hand pulled screen prints?
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 13, 2009 14:45:52 GMT 1, I think the 'concern' that's being shown is simply that of observers wondering what selling cheap prints to a dwindling amount of people has on the perceived value of said artist... but hey, as all the others who dared say something out of the norm on this subject I don't wish any ill on the gallery or artists, just wonder how long this can go on for?
I think it's the "perceived value of an artist" part that I'm struggling to understand. Not being funny, I don't see the point at all. If someone could clarify exactly what this means for me, i'd be grateful.
I think the 'concern' that's being shown is simply that of observers wondering what selling cheap prints to a dwindling amount of people has on the perceived value of said artist... but hey, as all the others who dared say something out of the norm on this subject I don't wish any ill on the gallery or artists, just wonder how long this can go on for? I think it's the "perceived value of an artist" part that I'm struggling to understand. Not being funny, I don't see the point at all. If someone could clarify exactly what this means for me, i'd be grateful. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Daniel Silk on Aug 13, 2009 14:46:33 GMT 1, Can anyone comment on the quality of these prints? I assume that for ยฃ25 they are not hand pulled screen prints?
From what I have seen they are very good
Can anyone comment on the quality of these prints? I assume that for ยฃ25 they are not hand pulled screen prints? From what I have seen they are very good |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 13, 2009 14:46:55 GMT 1, I'm struggling to see what exactly is being complained about here I don't see anyone complaining?
One or two people seemed to be suggesting that the gallery should stop the promotion. That's what I meant by "complaining." Id didn't mean it to come across as accusatory.
I'm struggling to see what exactly is being complained about here I don't see anyone complaining? One or two people seemed to be suggesting that the gallery should stop the promotion. That's what I meant by "complaining." Id didn't mean it to come across as accusatory. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by nex on Aug 13, 2009 14:48:02 GMT 1, I really don't see anyone saying it's wrong or criticising, it's very much more a level of concern for the effect it has on a group of Artists, who would never been classed in a same grouping as Banksy (but yes, at first he did this very thing too and still to some extent does it now)...Anyway 'I'm Out'...I wish everyone only the best
I really don't see anyone saying it's wrong or criticising, it's very much more a level of concern for the effect it has on a group of Artists, who would never been classed in a same grouping as Banksy (but yes, at first he did this very thing too and still to some extent does it now)...Anyway 'I'm Out'...I wish everyone only the best |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 13, 2009 14:48:35 GMT 1, Can anyone comment on the quality of these prints? I assume that for ยฃ25 they are not hand pulled screen prints?
I think they are giclees.
Can anyone comment on the quality of these prints? I assume that for ยฃ25 they are not hand pulled screen prints? I think they are giclees. |
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Denning print @RPG + chance for BANKSY ticket, by nex on Aug 13, 2009 14:52:39 GMT 1, I think the 'concern' that's being shown is simply that of observers wondering what selling cheap prints to a dwindling amount of people has on the perceived value of said artist... but hey, as all the others who dared say something out of the norm on this subject I don't wish any ill on the gallery or artists, just wonder how long this can go on for? I think it's the "perceived value of an artist" part that I'm struggling to understand. Not being funny, I don't see the point at all. If someone could clarify exactly what this means for me, i'd be grateful.
I'd say, that if the promotion sells less and less, the 'perceived value' of the artist is eroded and hence ppl will be less willing to purchase higher value items of said artist - possibly?
i.e. cd's in the bargain bin at woolies have a perceived value of making phil collins even more s**t than he already is
I think the 'concern' that's being shown is simply that of observers wondering what selling cheap prints to a dwindling amount of people has on the perceived value of said artist... but hey, as all the others who dared say something out of the norm on this subject I don't wish any ill on the gallery or artists, just wonder how long this can go on for? I think it's the "perceived value of an artist" part that I'm struggling to understand. Not being funny, I don't see the point at all. If someone could clarify exactly what this means for me, i'd be grateful. I'd say, that if the promotion sells less and less, the 'perceived value' of the artist is eroded and hence ppl will be less willing to purchase higher value items of said artist - possibly? i.e. cd's in the bargain bin at woolies have a perceived value of making phil collins even more s**t than he already is |
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Is that not how POW started out?
coz they cant be getting much money out of it. 
