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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Daniel Silk on Mar 1, 2010 13:02:02 GMT 1, In the US, Brainwash will do better in the long run. In the UK market, I recon challengers to be D*Face or Nick Walker. Adam Neate will alo someday be worth more than Banksy...
I would say Faile and D*Face are the clear ones that could be "Rivals to Banksy's throne", but saying that, most of the artists we are talking about produce art in very different styles so in a ways none of them are actually "Rivals" at all.
In the US, Brainwash will do better in the long run. In the UK market, I recon challengers to be D*Face or Nick Walker. Adam Neate will alo someday be worth more than Banksy... I would say Faile and D*Face are the clear ones that could be "Rivals to Banksy's throne", but saying that, most of the artists we are talking about produce art in very different styles so in a ways none of them are actually "Rivals" at all. |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by willywonka on Mar 1, 2010 13:16:52 GMT 1, In the US, Brainwash will do better in the long run. In the UK market, I recon challengers to be D*Face or Nick Walker. Adam Neate will alo someday be worth more than Banksy... I would say Faile and D*Face are the clear ones that could be "Rivals to Banksy's throne", but saying that, most of the artists we are talking about produce art in very different styles so in a ways none of them are actually "Rivals" at all.
I think D*Face has had his chance and is not likely to compete now.
In the US, Brainwash will do better in the long run. In the UK market, I recon challengers to be D*Face or Nick Walker. Adam Neate will alo someday be worth more than Banksy... I would say Faile and D*Face are the clear ones that could be "Rivals to Banksy's throne", but saying that, most of the artists we are talking about produce art in very different styles so in a ways none of them are actually "Rivals" at all. I think D*Face has had his chance and is not likely to compete now. |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by nex on Mar 1, 2010 13:19:29 GMT 1, the truth is
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by fielder on Mar 1, 2010 13:30:47 GMT 1, Banksy is in a different league. That article is ridiculous.
Banksy is in a different league. That article is ridiculous.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Sacked... on Mar 1, 2010 13:32:59 GMT 1, new madonna album cover:  Woweee that is some original stuff right there.
I wonder if MBW got the inspiration for the eye make-up from Pat Butcher ?
new madonna album cover: Woweee that is some original stuff right there. I wonder if MBW got the inspiration for the eye make-up from Pat Butcher ? |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by spencerlee on Mar 1, 2010 13:42:46 GMT 1, They've got to fill column inches somehow.
The truth is, every time Banksy pulls off something new, he reminds you why he is ahead of the game in so many ways.
They've got to fill column inches somehow.
The truth is, every time Banksy pulls off something new, he reminds you why he is ahead of the game in so many ways.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by kennas on Mar 1, 2010 13:46:12 GMT 1, Why do we need a new Banksy?
Why do we need a new Banksy?
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by bullet on Mar 1, 2010 13:49:54 GMT 1, we dont, its just that when someone comes along, people expect to find someone that produces the quality of banksy but for half the price.
what banksy does is nothing unique, many of the ideas are just things which have been thought of many times before but its the way he executes it then how the media picks it up which is the difference.
we dont, its just that when someone comes along, people expect to find someone that produces the quality of banksy but for half the price.
what banksy does is nothing unique, many of the ideas are just things which have been thought of many times before but its the way he executes it then how the media picks it up which is the difference.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Wearology on Mar 1, 2010 13:50:18 GMT 1, I have not seen the movie - but I live in America and I have been to the MBW show at the Meat Packing District. MBW is very talented but in a Weird Al Yankovick kind of way. MBW takes already established artistic themes and puts a spin on them. I thought that Nick Walker or DFACE was going to rival Banksy but that bus seems to have left the station.
I have not seen the movie - but I live in America and I have been to the MBW show at the Meat Packing District. MBW is very talented but in a Weird Al Yankovick kind of way. MBW takes already established artistic themes and puts a spin on them. I thought that Nick Walker or DFACE was going to rival Banksy but that bus seems to have left the station.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by nigelbgg on Mar 1, 2010 14:00:44 GMT 1, The only way to become a rival is spend $500,000 on PR over the next 3 years.
The only way to become a rival is spend $500,000 on PR over the next 3 years.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by bullet on Mar 1, 2010 14:04:26 GMT 1, which he can quite easily do.
its all PR.
which he can quite easily do.
its all PR.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by nex on Mar 1, 2010 14:32:39 GMT 1, anyone know how the ICONs show did?
anyone know how the ICONs show did?
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by boaty on Mar 1, 2010 14:45:26 GMT 1, There will never be another Banksy in this space, who will get away with the anonymity and high profile. One of a kind.
The others will compete among themselves.
Given MBWs success (expect more upside for him in the future), the market is ripe for more mass production glitzy types to jump in. The MBW type of markets (financially driven) breeds much more competion and quickly. Hustlers now see there's a hustle in it. The C.R.E.A.M effect!
There will never be another Banksy in this space, who will get away with the anonymity and high profile. One of a kind.
The others will compete among themselves.
Given MBWs success (expect more upside for him in the future), the market is ripe for more mass production glitzy types to jump in. The MBW type of markets (financially driven) breeds much more competion and quickly. Hustlers now see there's a hustle in it. The C.R.E.A.M effect!
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by curiousgeorge on Mar 1, 2010 14:46:58 GMT 1, Banksy is in a league of his own imo
Does anyone else actually try and do the same stuff that he does?
Banksy is in a league of his own imo
Does anyone else actually try and do the same stuff that he does?
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by boaty on Mar 1, 2010 14:57:11 GMT 1, I don't think Americans claim Mr Brainwash (he's french) nor compare him to Banksy. At the ICONS show, I recall talking with some folks about their experience standing in line and how it must of compared with standing in line all day and night for Banksy's NBG piece. The resounding view was "now, Banksy: that's serious stuff there...I wish I could get his stuff". Unfortunately, if you do know about him in the states - the access to purchase Banksy's work is not well known - many folks do not even know about POW - they still rely on the banksy website.
As for Micallef and Choe - not sure either of them consider themselves graffiti/street artists - I recall reading an article where Micallef states this about himself. So agree, they offer something different.
DFace 'Pop Tart', Nick Walker 'TMA' other than that they've not done anything noteable... although they do use the same idea over and over. They appeal to some people in this scene but they just don't offer anything different for other people to distinguish their work from all the other street artists. Banksy is it, the americans might push for their own version in MBW but is just won't happen, it's too late. Artists like Choe and Micallef do however offer something different, they have real talent and ability to take things to a whole different level. They can match Bansky's success but doing what they do... Choe in particular has a raw talent and big personality that distinguishes him from anything else out there. I wish they would sort out the 'dirty hands' film release.
I don't think Americans claim Mr Brainwash (he's french) nor compare him to Banksy. At the ICONS show, I recall talking with some folks about their experience standing in line and how it must of compared with standing in line all day and night for Banksy's NBG piece. The resounding view was "now, Banksy: that's serious stuff there...I wish I could get his stuff". Unfortunately, if you do know about him in the states - the access to purchase Banksy's work is not well known - many folks do not even know about POW - they still rely on the banksy website. As for Micallef and Choe - not sure either of them consider themselves graffiti/street artists - I recall reading an article where Micallef states this about himself. So agree, they offer something different. DFace 'Pop Tart', Nick Walker 'TMA' other than that they've not done anything noteable... although they do use the same idea over and over. They appeal to some people in this scene but they just don't offer anything different for other people to distinguish their work from all the other street artists. Banksy is it, the americans might push for their own version in MBW but is just won't happen, it's too late. Artists like Choe and Micallef do however offer something different, they have real talent and ability to take things to a whole different level. They can match Bansky's success but doing what they do... Choe in particular has a raw talent and big personality that distinguishes him from anything else out there. I wish they would sort out the 'dirty hands' film release. |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by love on Mar 1, 2010 15:10:58 GMT 1, DFace & Nick Walker are close to Banksy...
DFace & Nick Walker are close to Banksy...
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by stopki on Mar 1, 2010 15:17:40 GMT 1, DFace & Nick Walker are close to Banksy...
NEVER! in a million years.
DFace & Nick Walker are close to Banksy... NEVER! in a million years. |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by jojobadass on Mar 1, 2010 15:29:40 GMT 1, when are you going to add MBW's name to the top of the forum silky?
when are you going to add MBW's name to the top of the forum silky?
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Daniel Silk on Mar 1, 2010 15:40:13 GMT 1, I think at the end of the day to try and answer questions like this you need to stand back and take a fresh look at the facts. Look at the amount of work by those Artists that has been sold over the years, the number of collectors, the show popularity, the media coverage.
On that basis I think Faile and D*Face, are very BIG, followed by about 20+ others would could also step up to join them over time 
Im afraid some artists will never really make it in the scale of Banksy, as their style of art is only ever going to be popular with a small part of the population 
I think at the end of the day to try and answer questions like this you need to stand back and take a fresh look at the facts. Look at the amount of work by those Artists that has been sold over the years, the number of collectors, the show popularity, the media coverage. On that basis I think Faile and D*Face, are very BIG, followed by about 20+ others would could also step up to join them over time Im afraid some artists will never really make it in the scale of Banksy, as their style of art is only ever going to be popular with a small part of the population |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by adewilliams on Mar 1, 2010 15:48:43 GMT 1, I've always been told that size is unimportant
I've always been told that size is unimportant
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by bullet on Mar 1, 2010 15:49:15 GMT 1, this threads going to end up with every artist under the sun mentioned again.
i think this, i think that. To be honest, it does not matter what you think, it just goes on fact as silky says.
there is a list of major street influences in the 'modern' sense, and banksy, obey, invader, dface and faile are in that top list no matter what anyone says.
this threads going to end up with every artist under the sun mentioned again.
i think this, i think that. To be honest, it does not matter what you think, it just goes on fact as silky says.
there is a list of major street influences in the 'modern' sense, and banksy, obey, invader, dface and faile are in that top list no matter what anyone says.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by adewilliams on Mar 1, 2010 15:53:02 GMT 1, discussion over then!
discussion over then!
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Wearology on Mar 1, 2010 16:14:19 GMT 1, I told myself I would never do this again - but here it goes anyway. I was able to pick up some extra Mr. Brainwash FREE promotional posters at the show in NYC last week. If anyone wants one for FREE just send me a PM and I will send them out to the 1st 10 people who respond.
For the record I am in no way shape or form affiliated with Mr. Brainwash - I just picked up some extras and wanted to share them with you my forum family as thank you for the guys sending me The Time Out London stuff and The Times stuff from overseas to America.
P.S. if anyone has an extra movie poster from Exit Through The Gift Shop - I will also send you my 11th MBW poster. Thanks , Wearology
I told myself I would never do this again - but here it goes anyway. I was able to pick up some extra Mr. Brainwash FREE promotional posters at the show in NYC last week. If anyone wants one for FREE just send me a PM and I will send them out to the 1st 10 people who respond.
For the record I am in no way shape or form affiliated with Mr. Brainwash - I just picked up some extras and wanted to share them with you my forum family as thank you for the guys sending me The Time Out London stuff and The Times stuff from overseas to America.
P.S. if anyone has an extra movie poster from Exit Through The Gift Shop - I will also send you my 11th MBW poster. Thanks , Wearology
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by bullet on Mar 1, 2010 16:29:37 GMT 1, maybe ill give this one a miss...
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Deleted on Mar 1, 2010 16:47:05 GMT 1, that article is a complete joke.. looks like they picked some random artists (maybe except for MBW, not for quality but for Exit through the gift shop) and wrote something about them.. there are just no artists that work on banksy's level.. some are better as an artist but no one has the sharpness and the f**k you factor that banksy has.
that article is a complete joke.. looks like they picked some random artists (maybe except for MBW, not for quality but for Exit through the gift shop) and wrote something about them.. there are just no artists that work on banksy's level.. some are better as an artist but no one has the sharpness and the f**k you factor that banksy has.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by raiden on Mar 1, 2010 20:47:50 GMT 1, I'll keep this post mostly MBW free....
The question is... What throne are we talking about?
The throne of godfather of street art? Banksy doesn't have that throne necessarily - he may even concede it to Blek or others - but he does have the throne of artist who popularized street art and brought it to the level of both mainstream and gallery owner acceptability.
That's not a throne you can usurp. Its historicity that Banksy has on his side. Everyone who follows him, in some sense, will always be emulators - particularly those (MBW, Eelus, etc) who launched their careers partly because of their admiration of Banksy.
Historically, Banksy may well be spoken in the same sentences as Picasso, Warhol, Duchamp, etc. in the sense that he was an artist whose work launched a movement.
His name is going to be synonymous with the person who turned street art into an urban art movement, just as Warhol took commercial graphic art influences and turned it into the pop art movement, and Picasso took abstraction of the time and turned it into a cubist movement.
Few of the other artists being discussed are essential to the art history narrative of urban art - they are sideshows at best, but if you had to name the most important artist in "The Urban Art Movement" - Banksy is front and center.
Now, if the "throne" being questioned is one of who produces the most technically amazing street pieces, or who throws up the most work, or who does the most intricate stencil work, or who is advancing the medium in such a way that he can be considered the new vanguard for the development of "what's next" ... That's a throne I'd say there are plenty of artists who can stake a claim to.
I'll keep this post mostly MBW free....
The question is... What throne are we talking about?
The throne of godfather of street art? Banksy doesn't have that throne necessarily - he may even concede it to Blek or others - but he does have the throne of artist who popularized street art and brought it to the level of both mainstream and gallery owner acceptability.
That's not a throne you can usurp. Its historicity that Banksy has on his side. Everyone who follows him, in some sense, will always be emulators - particularly those (MBW, Eelus, etc) who launched their careers partly because of their admiration of Banksy.
Historically, Banksy may well be spoken in the same sentences as Picasso, Warhol, Duchamp, etc. in the sense that he was an artist whose work launched a movement.
His name is going to be synonymous with the person who turned street art into an urban art movement, just as Warhol took commercial graphic art influences and turned it into the pop art movement, and Picasso took abstraction of the time and turned it into a cubist movement.
Few of the other artists being discussed are essential to the art history narrative of urban art - they are sideshows at best, but if you had to name the most important artist in "The Urban Art Movement" - Banksy is front and center.
Now, if the "throne" being questioned is one of who produces the most technically amazing street pieces, or who throws up the most work, or who does the most intricate stencil work, or who is advancing the medium in such a way that he can be considered the new vanguard for the development of "what's next" ... That's a throne I'd say there are plenty of artists who can stake a claim to.
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by cadeallaw on Mar 1, 2010 21:04:04 GMT 1, but he does have the throne of artist who popularized street art and brought it to the level of both mainstream and gallery owner acceptability. That's not a throne you can usurp.
I'd have to say that the above mentioned throne of which you speak belongs to this guy:
but he does have the throne of artist who popularized street art and brought it to the level of both mainstream and gallery owner acceptability. That's not a throne you can usurp. I'd have to say that the above mentioned throne of which you speak belongs to this guy: |
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by taxidermot on Mar 1, 2010 21:39:38 GMT 1, surely the question should be ....will banksy rival cowell's throne?
surely the question should be ....will banksy rival cowell's throne?
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Tavar Zawacki ๐บ๐ธ Above Street Art โข Print Release, by Wearology on Mar 1, 2010 22:21:18 GMT 1, I have contacted the people who PM'D me about the MBW poster. I have several people on a waiting list as I intend on going back tomorrow to the show. If u have not heard back from me please send me another PM as I was surprisingly flooded with PM'S - thx, Jon
as for FREERANGE I already have your address and I am sending you 1 even if u don't want it - remember we are at Peace and buried the hatchet -
I have contacted the people who PM'D me about the MBW poster. I have several people on a waiting list as I intend on going back tomorrow to the show. If u have not heard back from me please send me another PM as I was surprisingly flooded with PM'S - thx, Jon
as for FREERANGE I already have your address and I am sending you 1 even if u don't want it - remember we are at Peace and buried the hatchet -
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