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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 23, 2010 23:30:10 GMT 1, have the queue jumping prints been printed/sent out yet?. would like to see what they look like. anyone recieved one or can post a picture please?
Theres pics on the thread about them
have the queue jumping prints been printed/sent out yet?. would like to see what they look like. anyone recieved one or can post a picture please? Theres pics on the thread about them |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by rottenredrooster on Dec 23, 2010 23:34:06 GMT 1, have the queue jumping prints been printed/sent out yet?. would like to see what they look like. anyone recieved one or can post a picture please?
Yes, POW allowed for them to be collected from Tuesday onwards from their Commercial Street store..
have the queue jumping prints been printed/sent out yet?. would like to see what they look like. anyone recieved one or can post a picture please? Yes, POW allowed for them to be collected from Tuesday onwards from their Commercial Street store.. |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 23:41:45 GMT 1, nice any pics please?
nice any pics please?
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by poppa on Dec 23, 2010 23:45:36 GMT 1, see where this one ends clicky
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 23:46:53 GMT 1, not with a q j grey print, but thanks for trying
not with a q j grey print, but thanks for trying
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 23, 2010 23:48:08 GMT 1, 
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Sundowner on Dec 24, 2010 0:24:28 GMT 1, Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway.
Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway.
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 24, 2010 0:29:33 GMT 1, Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway.
Pics are from flickr
Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway. Pics are from flickr |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by colinfishwick on Dec 24, 2010 1:14:00 GMT 1, If you had slept 12 hours in a queue in -3 degrees and were fairly in a queue and safely in that queue..then someone f**ked you over. Then you would moan as well and dont pretend you wouldn't. Its very easy for people to sit at their desks demanding a website drop saying that all those people are moaners. Try it yourself... After this there will most likely be no more prints for a long time as i get the feeling banksy is fed up with all of that stuff. And dont give the whole 'homeless people do that every night' because their night was probably more civilised and free of people turning into knob heads.
John, mate, you're talking shite here. it wasn't even close to -3 degrees, more like +3 and what is more i'm sick and tired of people going on about queue jumpers - there are now 58 officially remunerated on that basis, yet i was around 80 when i joined the queue and 105 when i got my ticket, if that ratio continued then 58 would be a stretch considering that the cut off was 175.
people make out it was hell on earth, was it f**k- a few tried it on and were told where to get off by me and further down a lad with a West Ham scarf and work boots but other than the misinformation from POW and their failure to properly oversee the queuing system their were very few problems.
If you had slept 12 hours in a queue in -3 degrees and were fairly in a queue and safely in that queue..then someone f**ked you over. Then you would moan as well and dont pretend you wouldn't. Its very easy for people to sit at their desks demanding a website drop saying that all those people are moaners. Try it yourself... After this there will most likely be no more prints for a long time as i get the feeling banksy is fed up with all of that stuff. And dont give the whole 'homeless people do that every night' because their night was probably more civilised and free of people turning into knob heads. John, mate, you're talking shite here. it wasn't even close to -3 degrees, more like +3 and what is more i'm sick and tired of people going on about queue jumpers - there are now 58 officially remunerated on that basis, yet i was around 80 when i joined the queue and 105 when i got my ticket, if that ratio continued then 58 would be a stretch considering that the cut off was 175. people make out it was hell on earth, was it f**k- a few tried it on and were told where to get off by me and further down a lad with a West Ham scarf and work boots but other than the misinformation from POW and their failure to properly oversee the queuing system their were very few problems. |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by colinfishwick on Dec 24, 2010 1:17:24 GMT 1, Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway.
agreed, the grey/QJG/silver are my faves, sadly not available on the day......
Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway. agreed, the grey/QJG/silver are my faves, sadly not available on the day...... |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by debaser on Dec 24, 2010 1:23:37 GMT 1, Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway.
jboy has a purple and a queue jumping grey 
Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway. jboy has a purple and a queue jumping grey |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 24, 2010 2:34:38 GMT 1, Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway. jboy has a purple and a queue jumping grey
...in their dreams...
Is that yours jboy? Must admit this is a nice colourway. jboy has a purple and a queue jumping grey ...in their dreams... |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by cpo on Dec 24, 2010 2:39:24 GMT 1, jboy has a purple and a queue jumping grey ...in their dreams...
I'm sure there were several that picked up multiples that way...
jboy has a purple and a queue jumping grey ...in their dreams... I'm sure there were several that picked up multiples that way... |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 24, 2010 2:40:11 GMT 1, If you had slept 12 hours in a queue in -3 degrees and were fairly in a queue and safely in that queue..then someone f**ked you over. Then you would moan as well and dont pretend you wouldn't. Its very easy for people to sit at their desks demanding a website drop saying that all those people are moaners. Try it yourself... After this there will most likely be no more prints for a long time as i get the feeling banksy is fed up with all of that stuff. And dont give the whole 'homeless people do that every night' because their night was probably more civilised and free of people turning into knob heads. John, mate, you're talking s**te here. it wasn't even close to -3 degrees, more like +3 and what is more i'm sick and tired of people going on about queue jumpers - there are now 58 officially remunerated on that basis, yet i was around 80 when i joined the queue and 105 when i got my ticket, if that ratio continued then 58 would be a stretch considering that the cut off was 175. people make out it was hell on earth, was it f**k - a few tried it on and were told where to get off by me and further down a lad with a West Ham scarf and work boots but other than the misinformation from POW and their failure to properly oversee the queuing system their were very few problems.
...says someone who queued and got one to the person who did the same and didn't. Would be a different story on the other foot. I would say there was about 230 people max in line before the jumling started, that means that figure is about correct give or take 10 or 20
If you had slept 12 hours in a queue in -3 degrees and were fairly in a queue and safely in that queue..then someone f**ked you over. Then you would moan as well and dont pretend you wouldn't. Its very easy for people to sit at their desks demanding a website drop saying that all those people are moaners. Try it yourself... After this there will most likely be no more prints for a long time as i get the feeling banksy is fed up with all of that stuff. And dont give the whole 'homeless people do that every night' because their night was probably more civilised and free of people turning into knob heads. John, mate, you're talking s**te here. it wasn't even close to -3 degrees, more like +3 and what is more i'm sick and tired of people going on about queue jumpers - there are now 58 officially remunerated on that basis, yet i was around 80 when i joined the queue and 105 when i got my ticket, if that ratio continued then 58 would be a stretch considering that the cut off was 175. people make out it was hell on earth, was it f**k - a few tried it on and were told where to get off by me and further down a lad with a West Ham scarf and work boots but other than the misinformation from POW and their failure to properly oversee the queuing system their were very few problems. ...says someone who queued and got one to the person who did the same and didn't. Would be a different story on the other foot. I would say there was about 230 people max in line before the jumling started, that means that figure is about correct give or take 10 or 20 |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by colinfishwick on Dec 24, 2010 11:45:12 GMT 1, except about 50 people + went racing off to Berwick Street when they were told the last 30 would be sold from there.
i'm sure you're right, i wouldn't have been happy to miss out and i do genuinely feel sorry for those that missed out - i know of someone who was in line at Berwick st, got round to commercial st, missed out there, went back and missed out again and when she spoke to POW after they posted a message for peoples to get in touch they just said sorry.
it was a complete organisational disaster not helped by a devious few but they really were the minority - many people were there for the right reasons and were well behaved, it seems it suited some peoples agendas (not @you) to make out it was far worse than in reality so they could stamp their feet and demand recompense from POW.
i might also add that where we were a good half dozen people from behind the 250 mark came down and made conversation and then asked of they could stay with us, all nice genuine people with hard luck stories but we all said we owe it to the people that are around 200 to make sure no one jumped in.
it was a pretty tight ship from the bus stop back to the corner.....
except about 50 people + went racing off to Berwick Street when they were told the last 30 would be sold from there.
i'm sure you're right, i wouldn't have been happy to miss out and i do genuinely feel sorry for those that missed out - i know of someone who was in line at Berwick st, got round to commercial st, missed out there, went back and missed out again and when she spoke to POW after they posted a message for peoples to get in touch they just said sorry.
it was a complete organisational disaster not helped by a devious few but they really were the minority - many people were there for the right reasons and were well behaved, it seems it suited some peoples agendas (not @you) to make out it was far worse than in reality so they could stamp their feet and demand recompense from POW.
i might also add that where we were a good half dozen people from behind the 250 mark came down and made conversation and then asked of they could stay with us, all nice genuine people with hard luck stories but we all said we owe it to the people that are around 200 to make sure no one jumped in.
it was a pretty tight ship from the bus stop back to the corner.....
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by spanksy on Dec 24, 2010 11:57:16 GMT 1, except about 50 people + went racing off to Berwick Street when they were told the last 30 would be sold from there. i'm sure you're right, i wouldn't have been happy to miss out and i do genuinely feel sorry for those that missed out - i know of someone who was in line at Berwick st, got round to commercial st, missed out there, went back and missed out again and when she spoke to POW after they posted a message for peoples to get in touch they just said sorry. it was a complete organisational disaster not helped by a devious few but they really were the minority - many people were there for the right reasons and were well behaved, it seems it suited some peoples agendas (not @you) to make out it was far worse than in reality so they could stamp their feet and demand recompense from POW. i might also add that where we were a good half dozen people from behind the 250 mark came down and made conversation and then asked of they could stay with us, all nice genuine people with hard luck stories but we all said we owe it to the people that are around 200 to make sure no one jumped in. it was a pretty tight ship from the bus stop back to the corner.....
i started at 140 in the queue ended at 220ish. so POW figures are about right.
To claim that yourself and a hammers fan prevented queue jumping is pretty unrealistic - im sure you tried. The fact of the matter is when ticketing commenced a swarm from the back of the queue and the from all directions at the front create chaos.
The people that really notiecd how much queue jumping was happening where not you guys at 50-100. its was the people like us on the threshold of the 200 mark who noticed every 5, 10, 15 people that joined the queue throughout the night.
Of course the night wasn't that bad if you managed to grab a print 
except about 50 people + went racing off to Berwick Street when they were told the last 30 would be sold from there. i'm sure you're right, i wouldn't have been happy to miss out and i do genuinely feel sorry for those that missed out - i know of someone who was in line at Berwick st, got round to commercial st, missed out there, went back and missed out again and when she spoke to POW after they posted a message for peoples to get in touch they just said sorry. it was a complete organisational disaster not helped by a devious few but they really were the minority - many people were there for the right reasons and were well behaved, it seems it suited some peoples agendas (not @you) to make out it was far worse than in reality so they could stamp their feet and demand recompense from POW. i might also add that where we were a good half dozen people from behind the 250 mark came down and made conversation and then asked of they could stay with us, all nice genuine people with hard luck stories but we all said we owe it to the people that are around 200 to make sure no one jumped in. it was a pretty tight ship from the bus stop back to the corner..... i started at 140 in the queue ended at 220ish. so POW figures are about right. To claim that yourself and a hammers fan prevented queue jumping is pretty unrealistic - im sure you tried. The fact of the matter is when ticketing commenced a swarm from the back of the queue and the from all directions at the front create chaos. The people that really notiecd how much queue jumping was happening where not you guys at 50-100. its was the people like us on the threshold of the 200 mark who noticed every 5, 10, 15 people that joined the queue throughout the night. Of course the night wasn't that bad if you managed to grab a print |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bert on Dec 24, 2010 12:44:58 GMT 1, ยฃ4k! Jeez, no wonder people are flipping if those are the prices people are actually paying!
I wonder if we'll look back in 10 years and think "ยฃ4k for a print of a stencil...bloody hell". I think I've reached that point to be honest.
Although it's hard to peer through the smog of crap on here sometimes, I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the posts around this print are either talking prices down or up (mainly the latter).
ยฃ4k! Jeez, no wonder people are flipping if those are the prices people are actually paying!
I wonder if we'll look back in 10 years and think "ยฃ4k for a print of a stencil...bloody hell". I think I've reached that point to be honest.
Although it's hard to peer through the smog of crap on here sometimes, I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the posts around this print are either talking prices down or up (mainly the latter).
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 24, 2010 13:15:20 GMT 1, ยฃ4k! Jeez, no wonder people are flipping if those are the prices people are actually paying! I wonder if we'll look back in 10 years and think "ยฃ4k for a print of a stencil...bloody hell". I think I've reached that point to be honest. Although it's hard to peer through the smog of crap on here sometimes, I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the posts around this print are either talking prices down or up (mainly the latter).
i think you will look back and wish you would have spent ยฃ4k.
I do the same with ยฃ20 notes. who said that bit of paper is worth ยฃ20.
ยฃ4k! Jeez, no wonder people are flipping if those are the prices people are actually paying! I wonder if we'll look back in 10 years and think "ยฃ4k for a print of a stencil...bloody hell". I think I've reached that point to be honest. Although it's hard to peer through the smog of crap on here sometimes, I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the posts around this print are either talking prices down or up (mainly the latter). i think you will look back and wish you would have spent ยฃ4k. I do the same with ยฃ20 notes. who said that bit of paper is worth ยฃ20. |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by craigf on Dec 24, 2010 13:21:32 GMT 1, ยฃ4k! Jeez, no wonder people are flipping if those are the prices people are actually paying! I wonder if we'll look back in 10 years and think "ยฃ4k for a print of a stencil...bloody hell". I think I've reached that point to be honest. Although it's hard to peer through the smog of crap on here sometimes, I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the posts around this print are either talking prices down or up (mainly the latter). i think you will look back and wish you would have spent ยฃ4k. I do the same with ยฃ20 notes. who said that bit of paper is worth ยฃ20.
On the point of the ยฃ20 note I think its the bank of England and if people didn't feel it was worth what it says we would really be in the economic shit (even more than we are, look at Zimbabwe!)
ยฃ4k! Jeez, no wonder people are flipping if those are the prices people are actually paying! I wonder if we'll look back in 10 years and think "ยฃ4k for a print of a stencil...bloody hell". I think I've reached that point to be honest. Although it's hard to peer through the smog of crap on here sometimes, I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the posts around this print are either talking prices down or up (mainly the latter). i think you will look back and wish you would have spent ยฃ4k. I do the same with ยฃ20 notes. who said that bit of paper is worth ยฃ20. On the point of the ยฃ20 note I think its the bank of England and if people didn't feel it was worth what it says we would really be in the economic shit (even more than we are, look at Zimbabwe!) |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Dave on Dec 24, 2010 13:46:25 GMT 1, I don't believe anyone is paying 4k for the Grey until I see proof, adding to the hype.
I don't believe anyone is paying 4k for the Grey until I see proof, adding to the hype.
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by colinfishwick on Dec 24, 2010 13:57:06 GMT 1, spanksy
i honestly do feel bad for you and those around you that missed out, i know we didn't stop everybody but trust me when i say if we weren't as proactive then even more would have shit out - including me probably!!
my gripe is that 58 appears to be an arbitrary number and not indicative of the amount of people that missed out - if what you're saying is correct then you also need to add on the people that raced off back to Soho to miss out again and also subtract the 30-50 that did pick one up.
a dangerous precedent has been set here, if you are going to make an edition for people who were wronged then you surely have to take due diligence and make sure everyone who has a genuine case gets an opportunity again, not just those who stamp their feet and shout the loudest.
if POW ever do this again they're going to get a shedload of complaints from people over the most trivial of matter in the hope of extending the edition and getting themselves a print.
spanksyi honestly do feel bad for you and those around you that missed out, i know we didn't stop everybody but trust me when i say if we weren't as proactive then even more would have shit out - including me probably!! my gripe is that 58 appears to be an arbitrary number and not indicative of the amount of people that missed out - if what you're saying is correct then you also need to add on the people that raced off back to Soho to miss out again and also subtract the 30-50 that did pick one up. a dangerous precedent has been set here, if you are going to make an edition for people who were wronged then you surely have to take due diligence and make sure everyone who has a genuine case gets an opportunity again, not just those who stamp their feet and shout the loudest. if POW ever do this again they're going to get a shedload of complaints from people over the most trivial of matter in the hope of extending the edition and getting themselves a print.
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Dave on Dec 24, 2010 13:58:41 GMT 1, Don't trust eBay either, 4k is ridiculous. I have a Purple which apparently has gone for over 4k on eBay and I doubt that's genuine either.
Don't trust eBay either, 4k is ridiculous. I have a Purple which apparently has gone for over 4k on eBay and I doubt that's genuine either.
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by rottenredrooster on Dec 24, 2010 14:03:46 GMT 1, Don't trust eBay either, 4k is ridiculous. I have a Purple which apparently has gone for over 4k on eBay and I doubt that's genuine either.
So based on that... all the prices of Banksy prints that have gone for on eBay can be discarded?
Don't trust eBay either, 4k is ridiculous. I have a Purple which apparently has gone for over 4k on eBay and I doubt that's genuine either. So based on that... all the prices of Banksy prints that have gone for on eBay can be discarded? |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by des77 on Dec 24, 2010 14:04:46 GMT 1,
Once again proof that people only take notice of the auctions that back a story (guy u replied too). It says offers so will go for less than 3k if someone thinks its worth it.... no where near 4k +
Once again proof that people only take notice of the auctions that back a story (guy u replied too). It says offers so will go for less than 3k if someone thinks its worth it.... no where near 4k + |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Cedric Mnich on Dec 24, 2010 14:07:20 GMT 1, If I got it right, the Queue edition we can now find on ebay was made as a compensation because some guys jumped the queue (obviously for flipping) and people got crazy because they are true collectors and not flippers like those damn queue jumpers ? How ironic. ;D
Maaaan, We now need a Lottery edition for those (like me) who were not selected by POW. I want to flip a 0,45K print for a 4-10K easy GBP too !! arh arh arh
If I got it right, the Queue edition we can now find on ebay was made as a compensation because some guys jumped the queue (obviously for flipping) and people got crazy because they are true collectors and not flippers like those damn queue jumpers ? How ironic. ;D
Maaaan, We now need a Lottery edition for those (like me) who were not selected by POW. I want to flip a 0,45K print for a 4-10K easy GBP too !! arh arh arh
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Harveyn on Dec 24, 2010 14:16:04 GMT 1,
So many people talking these prints up (no doubt the comment on this one will be its the worst colour..  ) and so many talking them down. Somewhere in between lies the truth.
So many people talking these prints up (no doubt the comment on this one will be its the worst colour.. ) and so many talking them down. Somewhere in between lies the truth. |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by Dave on Dec 24, 2010 14:26:15 GMT 1, Don't trust eBay either, 4k is ridiculous. I have a Purple which apparently has gone for over 4k on eBay and I doubt that's genuine either. So based on that... all the prices of Banksy prints that have gone for on eBay can be discarded?
No, you need to judge it over a longer period of time not a few weeks after a banksy release. Many people bought these to flip and have multiple prints so like to enhance the price.
This has happened for the last few years with big artist releases.
Don't trust eBay either, 4k is ridiculous. I have a Purple which apparently has gone for over 4k on eBay and I doubt that's genuine either. So based on that... all the prices of Banksy prints that have gone for on eBay can be discarded? No, you need to judge it over a longer period of time not a few weeks after a banksy release. Many people bought these to flip and have multiple prints so like to enhance the price. This has happened for the last few years with big artist releases. |
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Looking for q-jumping grey Choose Your Weapon ยฃ4k offered now, by bullet on Dec 24, 2010 14:53:21 GMT 1, So based on that... all the prices of Banksy prints that have gone for on eBay can be discarded? No, you need to judge it over a longer period of time not a few weeks after a banksy release. Many people bought these to flip and have multiple prints so like to enhance the price. This has happened for the last few years with big artist releases.
i think you will find the majority were there not to flip. were you in the queue? These discussions are still going on as (not like normal) people cant pick loads up on ebay after for their ideal price. There is not actually that many, there was more when NBG came out. The price of them is what it is. Alot has happened this year and things have changed since last year with banksy stuff due to a load of PR. So just because historically theres been a pattern, do not expect that to last forever.
Those selling now for that money will never see the light of day again and if people were all their to flip (like you say) then i would expect to see tons more on ebay at the moment, but where are they then??
So based on that... all the prices of Banksy prints that have gone for on eBay can be discarded? No, you need to judge it over a longer period of time not a few weeks after a banksy release. Many people bought these to flip and have multiple prints so like to enhance the price. This has happened for the last few years with big artist releases. i think you will find the majority were there not to flip. were you in the queue? These discussions are still going on as (not like normal) people cant pick loads up on ebay after for their ideal price. There is not actually that many, there was more when NBG came out. The price of them is what it is. Alot has happened this year and things have changed since last year with banksy stuff due to a load of PR. So just because historically theres been a pattern, do not expect that to last forever. Those selling now for that money will never see the light of day again and if people were all their to flip (like you say) then i would expect to see tons more on ebay at the moment, but where are they then?? |
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