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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by blackheart on Dec 13, 2010 0:59:37 GMT 1, good luck with the lottery all tomorrow is the big day!!
good luck with the lottery all tomorrow is the big day!!
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by jonnyx on Dec 13, 2010 1:00:00 GMT 1, not sure you should have re-written history quite so much there, silky. that was an unpleasant few posts from a couple of (ex?) posters, that perhaps needed to be left in so when these individuals inevitably turn up on the forum in a new guise other posters will know just what they're dealing with.
not sure you should have re-written history quite so much there, silky. that was an unpleasant few posts from a couple of (ex?) posters, that perhaps needed to be left in so when these individuals inevitably turn up on the forum in a new guise other posters will know just what they're dealing with.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by dust909 on Dec 13, 2010 1:05:57 GMT 1, Good luck in the Lotto tomorrow everyone
Good luck in the Lotto tomorrow everyone
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by rinaceirde on Dec 13, 2010 1:19:41 GMT 1, Does anyone have any idea of the odds in this lotto would love to know just how many people are entered
Does anyone have any idea of the odds in this lotto would love to know just how many people are entered
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by boaty on Dec 13, 2010 1:20:01 GMT 1, Just been catching up on the thread So are people saying now that it was perfectly justified that some jumped the queue? or am I reading it wrong, surely I'm reading it wrong Silky - because I will never know the facts...I deleted my posted congratulating the tactics of one who a number of others have subsequently stated did something wrong...
but, boy am I a sucker for stories of some forum members, who are supposedly fans, winning in a short-timeframe wartime situation like that...but, I know, gotta keep it moral and legal at all times....
Just been catching up on the thread So are people saying now that it was perfectly justified that some jumped the queue? or am I reading it wrong, surely I'm reading it wrong Silky - because I will never know the facts...I deleted my posted congratulating the tactics of one who a number of others have subsequently stated did something wrong... but, boy am I a sucker for stories of some forum members, who are supposedly fans, winning in a short-timeframe wartime situation like that...but, I know, gotta keep it moral and legal at all times....
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by brazzy on Dec 13, 2010 1:29:45 GMT 1, Anyone have a count of how many have sold or are for sale on Ebay?
Anyone have a count of how many have sold or are for sale on Ebay?
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by lifeonwalls on Dec 13, 2010 1:39:57 GMT 1, Anyone have a count of how many have sold or are for sale on Ebay?
a few recorded sales here: www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/129819
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by wizzy on Dec 13, 2010 1:45:41 GMT 1, Does anyone have any idea of the odds in this lotto would love to know just how many people are entered
Taking everything into consideration and going on past results and averages etc i work it out to be something like......... Fish all chance in a million, good luck though.
Does anyone have any idea of the odds in this lotto would love to know just how many people are entered Taking everything into consideration and going on past results and averages etc i work it out to be something like......... Fish all chance in a million, good luck though.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by boatboy on Dec 13, 2010 1:46:24 GMT 1, So is Queue jumping ok now?
So is Queue jumping ok now?
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by yapsey on Dec 13, 2010 1:47:03 GMT 1, Thanks to those I met I still owe jasper a fiver for taxi.
Ha!! - i'll start charging the interest from monday
hope you got home ok mate
Thanks to those I met I still owe jasper a fiver for taxi. Ha!! - i'll start charging the interest from monday hope you got home ok mate
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by kiy on Dec 13, 2010 1:47:31 GMT 1, There great, check out one of my friends little tour reports when he meets the group: Choose your weapon!! such great meaning!!
Thanks for sharing. I watched a few of the David Randall interviews/reports. They are excellent. I watched 14, 15, 16 & 19 and am looking forward to watching the rest....!
There great, check out one of my friends little tour reports when he meets the group: Choose your weapon!! such great meaning!! Thanks for sharing. I watched a few of the David Randall interviews/reports. They are excellent. I watched 14, 15, 16 & 19 and am looking forward to watching the rest....!
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by kamy1001 on Dec 13, 2010 2:26:20 GMT 1, Count me in as well I'll PM you misterframeman
Count me in as well I'll PM you misterframeman
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by swan on Dec 13, 2010 2:31:48 GMT 1, That may have been the longest 5 hours of my life reading through all this.
So is Queue jumping ok now?
... guess that depends on whether you got a print or not?!
That may have been the longest 5 hours of my life reading through all this. So is Queue jumping ok now? ... guess that depends on whether you got a print or not?!
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by Collection 1 on Dec 13, 2010 2:40:41 GMT 1, WTF?!!? Now on Ebay:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260706626912#ht_500wt_1156
8 prints (different colorway) available from the same seller. All numbered 1 /25
WTF?!!? Now on Ebay:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260706626912#ht_500wt_1156
8 prints (different colorway) available from the same seller. All numbered 1 /25
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by formula400 on Dec 13, 2010 2:43:05 GMT 1, right 1st off i have no real idea about print details and and this stuff,
Monkey Parliament is on ebay for for £175 but others are 2 or 3k, plus there is some one on here selling his ''Flag'' print and that is £550 or there abouts, are these cheaper because there un signed???
just wondering because some are silly money and dont get the way the pricing works.
cheers for any good info.
right 1st off i have no real idea about print details and and this stuff,
Monkey Parliament is on ebay for for £175 but others are 2 or 3k, plus there is some one on here selling his ''Flag'' print and that is £550 or there abouts, are these cheaper because there un signed???
just wondering because some are silly money and dont get the way the pricing works.
cheers for any good info.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by jB on Dec 13, 2010 2:58:58 GMT 1, Monkey Parliament is an unsigned poster from the Banksy Vs. Bristol Museum - Flags is an edition of 1000 unsigned on Chromalux (which is easily creased) - then you get into the signed prints which range depending on edition, age, rarity - and after all of that, you get the A/P's which are scarce and most of the time variants from the original signed editions as well as much lower edition numbers.
Hope that helps a bit.
Monkey Parliament is an unsigned poster from the Banksy Vs. Bristol Museum - Flags is an edition of 1000 unsigned on Chromalux (which is easily creased) - then you get into the signed prints which range depending on edition, age, rarity - and after all of that, you get the A/P's which are scarce and most of the time variants from the original signed editions as well as much lower edition numbers.
Hope that helps a bit.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by formula400 on Dec 13, 2010 3:00:41 GMT 1, yes it does, thanks, but is A/P???
yes it does, thanks, but is A/P???
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by pcant on Dec 13, 2010 3:04:42 GMT 1, (I am in no way presenting myself as any kind of expert, nor is this the definitive answer, but here goes...)
First off Monkey Parliament is a poster, I believe all of the expensive Banksys are prints. Posters are thinner paper, basically like a very nice photocopy, usually unsigned, usually in larger numbers or unlimited release. Prints are hand-made, with layers of color, some hand-finished, some silk-screened, paint, pen, etc...
As to signed vs. unsigned and edition size, basically it's supply and demand. An old unsigned print can fetch more than a newer signed one if the edition is smaller. Rarity is a big part of the market value.
And signed adds a big premium on top of rarity. I don't believe Banksy does unsigned prints any more, but many of the older ones are available in either version. With that in mind, a signed Trolleys can be worth a good bit more than an unsigned one, considering rarity plus signed. The image would still be the same, of course.
(I am in no way presenting myself as any kind of expert, nor is this the definitive answer, but here goes...)
First off Monkey Parliament is a poster, I believe all of the expensive Banksys are prints. Posters are thinner paper, basically like a very nice photocopy, usually unsigned, usually in larger numbers or unlimited release. Prints are hand-made, with layers of color, some hand-finished, some silk-screened, paint, pen, etc...
As to signed vs. unsigned and edition size, basically it's supply and demand. An old unsigned print can fetch more than a newer signed one if the edition is smaller. Rarity is a big part of the market value.
And signed adds a big premium on top of rarity. I don't believe Banksy does unsigned prints any more, but many of the older ones are available in either version. With that in mind, a signed Trolleys can be worth a good bit more than an unsigned one, considering rarity plus signed. The image would still be the same, of course.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by pcant on Dec 13, 2010 3:05:25 GMT 1, ... oops, far too late, sorry ... ;D
... oops, far too late, sorry ... ;D
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by madden on Dec 13, 2010 3:13:08 GMT 1, man im nervous about the lottery, itll be in my prayers tonight
man im nervous about the lottery, itll be in my prayers tonight
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by jB on Dec 13, 2010 3:16:21 GMT 1, yes it does, thanks, but is A/P???
A/P = Artist's Proof
yes it does, thanks, but is A/P??? A/P = Artist's Proof
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by jB on Dec 13, 2010 3:20:07 GMT 1,
I quite like this piece Gary - Who's it by?
I quite like this piece Gary - Who's it by?
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by Yervi on Dec 13, 2010 3:22:25 GMT 1, i might have missed it, what time are they drawing, assuming its UK time?
i might have missed it, what time are they drawing, assuming its UK time?
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by formula400 on Dec 13, 2010 3:22:58 GMT 1, ok cheers for all that.
ok cheers for all that.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by jB on Dec 13, 2010 3:30:58 GMT 1,
no sweat, happy to help out ;D
no sweat, happy to help out ;D
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by formula400 on Dec 13, 2010 3:40:51 GMT 1, right i like this print, sorry if its not asked or like here, i mean really sorry but where can i get a copy of one??? i just like the image and want it on my wall, again sorry if this is wrong.
right i like this print, sorry if its not asked or like here, i mean really sorry but where can i get a copy of one??? i just like the image and want it on my wall, again sorry if this is wrong.
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by amsterdam9697 on Dec 13, 2010 6:36:47 GMT 1, Neither would a time release that ends up being an edition of 15,000. A big part of Banksy's desirability is because they are rare, a time release would take that away. POW is smarter than that.
I disagree... and agree. I don't care if it's an edition of 15,000 if it's a quality image (No Trespassing, for instance), on quality paper, screened, signed and numbered. As a collector who spends $20K+ a year on this 'hobby' that would make my day and I would be more than happy...
I agree regarding the rare factor. However, most fans of Banksy (at this point) don't care if it's an edition of 25 or 15,000... again, most of us just want a quality Banksy image on quality paper, screened, numbered and signed by 'the man.'
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but surely the obvious way to have handled the off-line sale would have been to sell raffle tickets at the M&S show VLH style. This would have raised loads more for charity and cut out the problem of thugs getting hold of them through intimidation. The obvious way to handle a future Banksy release is a timed release through POW for 24 hours. 2 per customer. Window of 24 hours to purchase the print(s). Edition size based on final sale numbers. Signed & Numbered. Similar to Audrey Kawasaki, Aaron Horkey, EMEK, etc. YES, it would take a few months for the entire edition of be signed, numbered and shipped, but give me ONE REASON why that's not a good idea? You're raising funds for charity. Why not satisfy the collectors demand, generate as much for charity as possible and MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY in the process? ... and regarding the posts about the Don't Panic editions, Bristol Show, Monkey Parliment, etc.... C'mon! Seriously... who are you trying to kid? Those are open editions of glossy, unsigned posters like the Farrah Fawcett's that you can still buy at the County Fair here in the US. I get where you're coming from, but in no way does that meet the collector's desire and demand for a quality Banksy release that's obtainable without being threatened by Ivan from Stalingrad... or Minsk... or Warsaw... or Bucharest...
Seriously... am I right or am I right?
Neither would a time release that ends up being an edition of 15,000. A big part of Banksy's desirability is because they are rare, a time release would take that away. POW is smarter than that. I disagree... and agree. I don't care if it's an edition of 15,000 if it's a quality image ( No Trespassing, for instance), on quality paper, screened, signed and numbered. As a collector who spends $20K+ a year on this 'hobby' that would make my day and I would be more than happy... I agree regarding the rare factor. However, most fans of Banksy (at this point) don't care if it's an edition of 25 or 15,000... again, most of us just want a quality Banksy image on quality paper, screened, numbered and signed by 'the man.' Don't know if this has been mentioned, but surely the obvious way to have handled the off-line sale would have been to sell raffle tickets at the M&S show VLH style. This would have raised loads more for charity and cut out the problem of thugs getting hold of them through intimidation. The obvious way to handle a future Banksy release is a timed release through POW for 24 hours. 2 per customer. Window of 24 hours to purchase the print(s). Edition size based on final sale numbers. Signed & Numbered. Similar to Audrey Kawasaki, Aaron Horkey, EMEK, etc. YES, it would take a few months for the entire edition of be signed, numbered and shipped, but give me ONE REASON why that's not a good idea? You're raising funds for charity. Why not satisfy the collectors demand, generate as much for charity as possible and MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY in the process? ... and regarding the posts about the Don't Panic editions, Bristol Show, Monkey Parliment, etc.... C'mon! Seriously... who are you trying to kid? Those are open editions of glossy, unsigned posters like the Farrah Fawcett's that you can still buy at the County Fair here in the US. I get where you're coming from, but in no way does that meet the collector's desire and demand for a quality Banksy release that's obtainable without being threatened by Ivan from Stalingrad... or Minsk... or Warsaw... or Bucharest... Seriously... am I right or am I right?
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Banksy • Choose Your Weapon Print, by raiden on Dec 13, 2010 7:01:50 GMT 1, Clearly, any method in which I don't get a print is unfair
I didn't have the ability to chime in previously after getting banned from the forum for 24 hours (a first) though probably deservedly so after breaking my own rule of never criticizing those who aren't sufficiently famous enough to absorb the criticism. In this case, I was definitely unduly harsh to Simon and Dora (who are actually super nice and I shouldn't have laid so much blame upon.)
Nevertheless, this could have been much much worse. Just like a concert promoter who puts on an event where people get trampled, POW as a gallery and Banksy deserve quite a bit of blame for putting people in harms way in how this was handled and need to take ownership of the fact that prints are going for nearly half the salary of the average American at a time when the world economy is terrible.
That's a recipe for disaster. Like I said before, most bank robberies don't net the amount a Banksy print does at this point.
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Any future live releases should be done much like VLH, where you have a live lottery.
One possibility, you must come down and buy your ticket for £5 ticket between 6:00 pm and 6:00 am and you must be present as numbers are called at 8:00 am. Tickets are registered in a person's name, so you can't go buy one for a friend. One print per person per credit card.
And set a prohibition on flipping the print for one year, such that if a particular numbered work is flipped, you are forever barred from purchasing a Banksy again on a name, credit card, and email basis.
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Any future online lotteries should be on a one per person, per email, per credit card basis. In order to register, you must pay £10 toward a charity.
Once again, ownership could not change hands for a year on these.
This keeps it mostly to people who really want the print, such that they are willing to risk £10 to get it. This method would significantly reduce, not eliminate, any of the typical hanky panky: registering multiple emails, having friends and family register on your behalf, using any automated systems, etc.
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I also liked the idea behind Santa's Ghetto in Bethlehem. I was hoping it would be an annual concept to take a show to some far off, under privileged place.
Clearly, any method in which I don't get a print is unfair I didn't have the ability to chime in previously after getting banned from the forum for 24 hours (a first) though probably deservedly so after breaking my own rule of never criticizing those who aren't sufficiently famous enough to absorb the criticism. In this case, I was definitely unduly harsh to Simon and Dora (who are actually super nice and I shouldn't have laid so much blame upon.) Nevertheless, this could have been much much worse. Just like a concert promoter who puts on an event where people get trampled, POW as a gallery and Banksy deserve quite a bit of blame for putting people in harms way in how this was handled and need to take ownership of the fact that prints are going for nearly half the salary of the average American at a time when the world economy is terrible. That's a recipe for disaster. Like I said before, most bank robberies don't net the amount a Banksy print does at this point. --- Any future live releases should be done much like VLH, where you have a live lottery. One possibility, you must come down and buy your ticket for £5 ticket between 6:00 pm and 6:00 am and you must be present as numbers are called at 8:00 am. Tickets are registered in a person's name, so you can't go buy one for a friend. One print per person per credit card. And set a prohibition on flipping the print for one year, such that if a particular numbered work is flipped, you are forever barred from purchasing a Banksy again on a name, credit card, and email basis. --- Any future online lotteries should be on a one per person, per email, per credit card basis. In order to register, you must pay £10 toward a charity. Once again, ownership could not change hands for a year on these. This keeps it mostly to people who really want the print, such that they are willing to risk £10 to get it. This method would significantly reduce, not eliminate, any of the typical hanky panky: registering multiple emails, having friends and family register on your behalf, using any automated systems, etc. --- I also liked the idea behind Santa's Ghetto in Bethlehem. I was hoping it would be an annual concept to take a show to some far off, under privileged place.
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