Born Again
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Born Again on Dec 18, 2016 8:05:14 GMT 1,
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Viking Surfer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Viking Surfer on Dec 18, 2016 11:34:19 GMT 1, My latest artbuy has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past........
Wow, what a horror story. That's why it pays to go with the professionals. The only worst one I know of is about 8 years ago when an amateur framer cut the borders and signature off a chagall print to fit it in a certain frame. You couldn't make it up.
I pay a fortune in framing to Darbyshires, but you can guarantee that every work is in the best possible hands. It's funny watching them cringe when looking at the techniques used by the previous framers.
Good luck with the replacement.
My latest artbuy has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past........ Wow, what a horror story. That's why it pays to go with the professionals. The only worst one I know of is about 8 years ago when an amateur framer cut the borders and signature off a chagall print to fit it in a certain frame. You couldn't make it up. I pay a fortune in framing to Darbyshires, but you can guarantee that every work is in the best possible hands. It's funny watching them cringe when looking at the techniques used by the previous framers. Good luck with the replacement.
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chads007
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by chads007 on Dec 18, 2016 12:18:26 GMT 1, How long is turnaround at darbyshire?
How long is turnaround at darbyshire?
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pingoo
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by pingoo on Dec 18, 2016 15:37:48 GMT 1, That make me worry about my framed artworks. I have a blind trust in my framer and work with him since a long time.
Well, my pieces wont get out of the wall so it's fine... I guess..
That make me worry about my framed artworks. I have a blind trust in my framer and work with him since a long time.
Well, my pieces wont get out of the wall so it's fine... I guess..
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Flashback
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Flashback on Dec 18, 2016 16:22:21 GMT 1, My latest artbuy (Pose Blot Magenta) has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past. He was about to move to his new shop so I told him I could understand if it would take a little longer. He said no it'll be done in about two weeks like you are used to. I called after three, and finally it was done after four, no biggie. When I went to pick it up I was a bit rushed and I didn't notice it till I got home that he floated it so high I could look behind the print and see the foam, not only that but there were pencil marks too that you couldn't ignore. So a few days later, I went back and explained my problems. He said I was right and he would fix it. Two weeks later I went to pick it up again, the pencil marks were gone but I could still see the foam. I still wasn't satisfied and told him to fix it. That was three weeks ago. Last week a friend of mine went to pick up another print (not done) and he asked about mine, they were working on it, but they could only remove the print a couple of mm's a day. I was worried. So today my friend called, he was gonna pick up his print and asked if I wanted to tag along and see what's up with mine. So I asked the framer what the status of my print was and he said they were almost done. I asked why it took so long and if there wasn't any damage. He said they used double sided acid free tape, three horizontal lines in total and everything would be fine. I told him to call me when he was done removing the foamboard. While we were talking his wife triumphantly walked in and said she got it done. She said, see it's totally fine, I said yes but that's the front side, let me see the back. Needless to say I was shocked.. First she said that it was remnants of the foamboard and that she'd remove that too, when I said no that's the actual print she claimed this was perfectly normal practice when (re)framing, stating I've done this work for museums as well, told her I could hardly believe her and no museum would ever be ok with this. She wasn't going argue with me and told me to take it up with her husband. Luckily he was a bit more understanding and right away he told me to source a replacement and he would sort it with his insurancecompany. The worst is that I would have never known about this had I not come in today, they were never going to show me this. They were just going to reframe it and I would have only found out if and when I decide to resell it someday. There's a couple of options now, not sure what would be the thing to do. Anyone been in this position before? I had a very similar thing happen to two prints a few years ago, but had damage on the front too. One was a 1/1 so irreplaceable, but I told her the value and she was happy to pay. I actually wanted the 1/1 print, so offered her a small amount for the prints back and the two custom frames, so I could reframe one of them and use the other with a new print. She then closed her business a few weeks later. I have since only framed pieces myself. Did you take a course on how to frame? I've been pondering on learning how to do it myself.
My latest artbuy (Pose Blot Magenta) has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past. He was about to move to his new shop so I told him I could understand if it would take a little longer. He said no it'll be done in about two weeks like you are used to. I called after three, and finally it was done after four, no biggie. When I went to pick it up I was a bit rushed and I didn't notice it till I got home that he floated it so high I could look behind the print and see the foam, not only that but there were pencil marks too that you couldn't ignore. So a few days later, I went back and explained my problems. He said I was right and he would fix it. Two weeks later I went to pick it up again, the pencil marks were gone but I could still see the foam. I still wasn't satisfied and told him to fix it. That was three weeks ago. Last week a friend of mine went to pick up another print (not done) and he asked about mine, they were working on it, but they could only remove the print a couple of mm's a day. I was worried. So today my friend called, he was gonna pick up his print and asked if I wanted to tag along and see what's up with mine. So I asked the framer what the status of my print was and he said they were almost done. I asked why it took so long and if there wasn't any damage. He said they used double sided acid free tape, three horizontal lines in total and everything would be fine. I told him to call me when he was done removing the foamboard. While we were talking his wife triumphantly walked in and said she got it done. She said, see it's totally fine, I said yes but that's the front side, let me see the back. Needless to say I was shocked.. First she said that it was remnants of the foamboard and that she'd remove that too, when I said no that's the actual print she claimed this was perfectly normal practice when (re)framing, stating I've done this work for museums as well, told her I could hardly believe her and no museum would ever be ok with this. She wasn't going argue with me and told me to take it up with her husband. Luckily he was a bit more understanding and right away he told me to source a replacement and he would sort it with his insurancecompany. The worst is that I would have never known about this had I not come in today, they were never going to show me this. They were just going to reframe it and I would have only found out if and when I decide to resell it someday. There's a couple of options now, not sure what would be the thing to do. Anyone been in this position before? I had a very similar thing happen to two prints a few years ago, but had damage on the front too. One was a 1/1 so irreplaceable, but I told her the value and she was happy to pay. I actually wanted the 1/1 print, so offered her a small amount for the prints back and the two custom frames, so I could reframe one of them and use the other with a new print. She then closed her business a few weeks later. I have since only framed pieces myself. Did you take a course on how to frame? I've been pondering on learning how to do it myself.
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bstooks
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by bstooks on Dec 18, 2016 17:58:04 GMT 1,
Love this print, I have been trying to find one of those for awhile, congrats
Love this print, I have been trying to find one of those for awhile, congrats
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bstooks
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by bstooks on Dec 18, 2016 18:02:45 GMT 1, Picked these puppies up, need to get them in a frame, sorry for the bad pictures. You get the jist
Picked these puppies up, need to get them in a frame, sorry for the bad pictures. You get the jist
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sugar72
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by sugar72 on Dec 18, 2016 18:10:35 GMT 1, Love this print, I have been trying to find one of those for awhile, congrats
Yeh only 8 edition and so I was lucky.
Love this print, I have been trying to find one of those for awhile, congrats Yeh only 8 edition and so I was lucky.
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hopz121
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by hopz121 on Dec 18, 2016 20:13:30 GMT 1, My latest artbuy (Pose Blot Magenta) has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past. He was about to move to his new shop so I told him I could understand if it would take a little longer. He said no it'll be done in about two weeks like you are used to. I called after three, and finally it was done after four, no biggie. When I went to pick it up I was a bit rushed and I didn't notice it till I got home that he floated it so high I could look behind the print and see the foam, not only that but there were pencil marks too that you couldn't ignore. So a few days later, I went back and explained my problems. He said I was right and he would fix it. Two weeks later I went to pick it up again, the pencil marks were gone but I could still see the foam. I still wasn't satisfied and told him to fix it. That was three weeks ago. Last week a friend of mine went to pick up another print (not done) and he asked about mine, they were working on it, but they could only remove the print a couple of mm's a day. I was worried. So today my friend called, he was gonna pick up his print and asked if I wanted to tag along and see what's up with mine. So I asked the framer what the status of my print was and he said they were almost done. I asked why it took so long and if there wasn't any damage. He said they used double sided acid free tape, three horizontal lines in total and everything would be fine. I told him to call me when he was done removing the foamboard. While we were talking his wife triumphantly walked in and said she got it done. She said, see it's totally fine, I said yes but that's the front side, let me see the back. Needless to say I was shocked.. First she said that it was remnants of the foamboard and that she'd remove that too, when I said no that's the actual print she claimed this was perfectly normal practice when (re)framing, stating I've done this work for museums as well, told her I could hardly believe her and no museum would ever be ok with this. She wasn't going argue with me and told me to take it up with her husband. Luckily he was a bit more understanding and right away he told me to source a replacement and he would sort it with his insurancecompany. The worst is that I would have never known about this had I not come in today, they were never going to show me this. They were just going to reframe it and I would have only found out if and when I decide to resell it someday. There's a couple of options now, not sure what would be the thing to do. Anyone been in this position before? Sorry to hear this mate
Where are you based out of interest?
My latest artbuy (Pose Blot Magenta) has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past. He was about to move to his new shop so I told him I could understand if it would take a little longer. He said no it'll be done in about two weeks like you are used to. I called after three, and finally it was done after four, no biggie. When I went to pick it up I was a bit rushed and I didn't notice it till I got home that he floated it so high I could look behind the print and see the foam, not only that but there were pencil marks too that you couldn't ignore. So a few days later, I went back and explained my problems. He said I was right and he would fix it. Two weeks later I went to pick it up again, the pencil marks were gone but I could still see the foam. I still wasn't satisfied and told him to fix it. That was three weeks ago. Last week a friend of mine went to pick up another print (not done) and he asked about mine, they were working on it, but they could only remove the print a couple of mm's a day. I was worried. So today my friend called, he was gonna pick up his print and asked if I wanted to tag along and see what's up with mine. So I asked the framer what the status of my print was and he said they were almost done. I asked why it took so long and if there wasn't any damage. He said they used double sided acid free tape, three horizontal lines in total and everything would be fine. I told him to call me when he was done removing the foamboard. While we were talking his wife triumphantly walked in and said she got it done. She said, see it's totally fine, I said yes but that's the front side, let me see the back. Needless to say I was shocked.. First she said that it was remnants of the foamboard and that she'd remove that too, when I said no that's the actual print she claimed this was perfectly normal practice when (re)framing, stating I've done this work for museums as well, told her I could hardly believe her and no museum would ever be ok with this. She wasn't going argue with me and told me to take it up with her husband. Luckily he was a bit more understanding and right away he told me to source a replacement and he would sort it with his insurancecompany. The worst is that I would have never known about this had I not come in today, they were never going to show me this. They were just going to reframe it and I would have only found out if and when I decide to resell it someday. There's a couple of options now, not sure what would be the thing to do. Anyone been in this position before? Sorry to hear this mate Where are you based out of interest?
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Dec 18, 2016 21:04:20 GMT 1, I had a very similar thing happen to two prints a few years ago, but had damage on the front too. One was a 1/1 so irreplaceable, but I told her the value and she was happy to pay. I actually wanted the 1/1 print, so offered her a small amount for the prints back and the two custom frames, so I could reframe one of them and use the other with a new print. She then closed her business a few weeks later. I have since only framed pieces myself. Did you take a course on how to frame? I've been pondering on learning how to do it myself.
Nah, just picked up info on YouTube and Google. I just order the frames and glass to size and mount the pieces myself. Normally use mounts with lineco strips but for any full bleeds, I will float with hinges. I have every Arqadia mount sample to test before ordering, but normally just go for whites. Go for it, much cheaper and at least you know how it's been framed.
I had a very similar thing happen to two prints a few years ago, but had damage on the front too. One was a 1/1 so irreplaceable, but I told her the value and she was happy to pay. I actually wanted the 1/1 print, so offered her a small amount for the prints back and the two custom frames, so I could reframe one of them and use the other with a new print. She then closed her business a few weeks later. I have since only framed pieces myself. Did you take a course on how to frame? I've been pondering on learning how to do it myself. Nah, just picked up info on YouTube and Google. I just order the frames and glass to size and mount the pieces myself. Normally use mounts with lineco strips but for any full bleeds, I will float with hinges. I have every Arqadia mount sample to test before ordering, but normally just go for whites. Go for it, much cheaper and at least you know how it's been framed.
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Viking Surfer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Viking Surfer on Dec 18, 2016 22:06:59 GMT 1, How long is turnaround at darbyshire? Depends, christmas is a lot slower for obvious reasons.
They could probably rush an order, but from conception to completion I'd allow 6 weeks.
if you're going to Darbyshires request to see Tim. I've seen many framers over the years and he is on a whole other level.
How long is turnaround at darbyshire? Depends, christmas is a lot slower for obvious reasons. They could probably rush an order, but from conception to completion I'd allow 6 weeks. if you're going to Darbyshires request to see Tim. I've seen many framers over the years and he is on a whole other level.
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honestcrooks
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by honestcrooks on Dec 19, 2016 10:39:45 GMT 1, Picked these puppies up, need to get them in a frame, sorry for the bad pictures. You get the jist
WHOAAAAH! Been looking for the Meteor Lights since release and missed out on every chance there was! Congrats, looks amazing! Truly jealous! And yeah, with Parra you never go wrong ;-)
Picked these puppies up, need to get them in a frame, sorry for the bad pictures. You get the jist WHOAAAAH! Been looking for the Meteor Lights since release and missed out on every chance there was! Congrats, looks amazing! Truly jealous! And yeah, with Parra you never go wrong ;-)
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Happy Shopper on Dec 19, 2016 14:30:13 GMT 1, Very happy with this little pic up. Quality is very nice... no pixelation or jpeg compression in the image (like so many prints of this sort!)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOKs59FjJSO
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Everyone Owes
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Everyone Owes on Dec 19, 2016 16:22:00 GMT 1, Bought another if these and framed it as a Christmas stocking filler for my son. Other Criteria?
Bought another if these and framed it as a Christmas stocking filler for my son. Other Criteria?
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Coach on Dec 19, 2016 16:45:06 GMT 1, Bought another if these and framed it as a Christmas stocking filler for my son. Other Criteria?
Yes. A little while ago someone (I can't remember who) posted a link on the forum to these being for sale at a reduced price. Frame was from eframes made to measure. I only use them for posters. I also framed for him, as stocking fillers, the RA Ai Wei Wei poster, the YSP Kaws poster, and a rather rude signed Gilbert and George poster from White Cube. Lucky lad!
Bought another if these and framed it as a Christmas stocking filler for my son. Other Criteria? Yes. A little while ago someone (I can't remember who) posted a link on the forum to these being for sale at a reduced price. Frame was from eframes made to measure. I only use them for posters. I also framed for him, as stocking fillers, the RA Ai Wei Wei poster, the YSP Kaws poster, and a rather rude signed Gilbert and George poster from White Cube. Lucky lad!
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Everyone Owes
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Everyone Owes on Dec 19, 2016 16:58:08 GMT 1, Lovely stuff. I'm looking for a cheap off-the-peg frame for this signed La Chapelle poster:
Medium: offset-lithographic poster, Limited edition of 100 Signed
But at over 100cm x 65cm going to be hard pushed!
Lovely stuff. I'm looking for a cheap off-the-peg frame for this signed La Chapelle poster: Medium: offset-lithographic poster, Limited edition of 100 Signed But at over 100cm x 65cm going to be hard pushed!
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Flashback
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Flashback on Dec 19, 2016 17:05:54 GMT 1, Did you take a course on how to frame? I've been pondering on learning how to do it myself. Nah, just picked up info on YouTube and Google. I just order the frames and glass to size and mount the pieces myself. Normally use mounts with lineco strips but for any full bleeds, I will float with hinges. I have every Arqadia mount sample to test before ordering, but normally just go for whites. Go for it, much cheaper and at least you know how it's been framed. Sweet. I might try and test with hinges on different types paper without art on it first, before I buy frames etc just to be on the safe side!
Did you take a course on how to frame? I've been pondering on learning how to do it myself. Nah, just picked up info on YouTube and Google. I just order the frames and glass to size and mount the pieces myself. Normally use mounts with lineco strips but for any full bleeds, I will float with hinges. I have every Arqadia mount sample to test before ordering, but normally just go for whites. Go for it, much cheaper and at least you know how it's been framed. Sweet. I might try and test with hinges on different types paper without art on it first, before I buy frames etc just to be on the safe side!
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Coach on Dec 19, 2016 17:16:08 GMT 1, Lovely stuff. I'm looking for a cheap off-the-peg frame for this signed La Chapelle poster: Medium: offset-lithographic poster, Limited edition of 100 Signed But at over 100cm x 65cm going to be hard pushed!
Eframes will do that. They post the frame to you. With no mount (like mine above) will cost about ยฃ50. No sunlight protection though. Hence I only use them for cheap posters.
Lovely stuff. I'm looking for a cheap off-the-peg frame for this signed La Chapelle poster: Medium: offset-lithographic poster, Limited edition of 100 Signed But at over 100cm x 65cm going to be hard pushed! Eframes will do that. They post the frame to you. With no mount (like mine above) will cost about ยฃ50. No sunlight protection though. Hence I only use them for cheap posters.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Coach on Dec 19, 2016 17:17:26 GMT 1, Lovely stuff. I'm looking for a cheap off-the-peg frame for this signed La Chapelle poster: Medium: offset-lithographic poster, Limited edition of 100 Signed But at over 100cm x 65cm going to be hard pushed! Eframes will do that. They post the frame to you. With no mount (like mine above) will cost about ยฃ50. No sunlight protection though. Hence I only use them for cheap posters.
www.eframe.co.uk
Lovely stuff. I'm looking for a cheap off-the-peg frame for this signed La Chapelle poster: Medium: offset-lithographic poster, Limited edition of 100 Signed But at over 100cm x 65cm going to be hard pushed! Eframes will do that. They post the frame to you. With no mount (like mine above) will cost about ยฃ50. No sunlight protection though. Hence I only use them for cheap posters. www.eframe.co.uk
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met
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Dec 19, 2016 17:23:00 GMT 1, My latest artbuy (Pose Blot Magenta) has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past. He was about to move to his new shop so I told him I could understand if it would take a little longer. He said no it'll be done in about two weeks like you are used to. I called after three, and finally it was done after four, no biggie. When I went to pick it up I was a bit rushed and I didn't notice it till I got home that he floated it so high I could look behind the print and see the foam, not only that but there were pencil marks too that you couldn't ignore. So a few days later, I went back and explained my problems. He said I was right and he would fix it. Two weeks later I went to pick it up again, the pencil marks were gone but I could still see the foam. I still wasn't satisfied and told him to fix it. That was three weeks ago. Last week a friend of mine went to pick up another print (not done) and he asked about mine, they were working on it, but they could only remove the print a couple of mm's a day. I was worried. So today my friend called, he was gonna pick up his print and asked if I wanted to tag along and see what's up with mine. So I asked the framer what the status of my print was and he said they were almost done. I asked why it took so long and if there wasn't any damage. He said they used double sided acid free tape, three horizontal lines in total and everything would be fine. I told him to call me when he was done removing the foamboard. While we were talking his wife triumphantly walked in and said she got it done. She said, see it's totally fine, I said yes but that's the front side, let me see the back. Needless to say I was shocked.. First she said that it was remnants of the foamboard and that she'd remove that too, when I said no that's the actual print she claimed this was perfectly normal practice when (re)framing, stating I've done this work for museums as well, told her I could hardly believe her and no museum would ever be ok with this. She wasn't going argue with me and told me to take it up with her husband. Luckily he was a bit more understanding and right away he told me to source a replacement and he would sort it with his insurancecompany. The worst is that I would have never known about this had I not come in today, they were never going to show me this. They were just going to reframe it and I would have only found out if and when I decide to resell it someday. There's a couple of options now, not sure what would be the thing to do. Anyone been in this position before?
@buckwurst Yikes! Sorry to see this. I had a similar experience with a large original on paper. Used the same framer 3 times previously. Long story short, after a year of getting jerked around, they finally admitted they ruined the piece. The framer and insurance was a nightmare dealing with because I purchased the piece at a charity auction and no gallery would tell me how much it was actually worth. You don't really know how good a framer is until you open up one of the works they worked on. I'd only use the little plastic corners if buying works on paper. He's done my Horfeรฉ original on paper as well, that's never leaving the collection so I'm just not going to find out.I have a couple options. I could buy a mint copy and have him pay for it, then what? I could sell it as is and source a new one and have him cover the difference. I could have him pay me a couple hundred, he frames it, I hang it as it is. But I would need to know what the value now is, not sure what's fair or who could tell me To be honest, this was kind of a impulse buy and it's been two months since I got it. By now I wouldn't mind to just get rid of it all together and buy something else..
Two provisos to begin with:
(i) Sorry for the lengthy quotes. The idea is to allow this post to be read on a standalone basis, without need for cross-referencing.
(ii) I appreciate the photographs you often post on this message board, along with your passion for art and general level-headedness.
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Quick advice regarding the Pose (which is for me a secondary matter):
In your position, I'd follow the suggestion of your framer by sourcing an excellent-condition replacement print and getting him to pay for it. Before initiating searches, set everything out in an email โ referring to his offer in sufficient detail, confirming your agreement and also the fact you'll keep him updated on progress. A clear paper trail is crucial to minimise the risk of misunderstanding.
As you're now uncertain about the image itself, once purchased, stick the replacement print in a folder or plan chest. After a couple of months, take it out, have a think, and then decide whether you wish to resell or keep it.
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My key interest relates to this comment in your second post:
"He's done my Horfeรฉ original on paper as well, that's never leaving the collection so I'm just not going to find out."
If you were thinking when writing, then your reasoning is half-baked. Where is the foresight?
It's my view that Horfรฉe is a culturally significant artist. In other words, his originals merit being treated with both respect and conservation in mind. I'm pretty sure you'd agree. However, I also suspect it is unlikely that your original on paper was framed accordingly. If this is correct, the longer you do nothing and leave things as they are, the more difficult it'll be to address issues caused by poor framing techniques and materials. And the greater the chances of damage occurring.
You confirmed the Horfรฉe is never leaving your collection. This โ far more than an option of reselling in the future โ is reason alone to take that framed piece to a paper restorer, have the adhesive professionally removed, and then arrange for "proper" reframing.
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For your records and peace of mind, a serious, ethical framer will confirm in writing the framing specifics and techniques you've agreed upon. They should also confirm the materials they've used โ along with their characteristics and even the brand-name details, if requested.
According to industry standards set by the Fine Art Trade Guild, the use of self-adhesive tape is not permissible for any framing at either 'Museum Level' or the slightly lower standard of 'Conservation Level' (what some Americans refer to as "preservation framing").
Don't indulge in wishful thinking or delusion encouraged by the reassuring sales-speak of a framer, or the often misleading marketing-driven terms used to describe framing products. For example, words like "archival" and "conservation" on product packaging are sometimes stated loosely. They do not always equate to being fully reversible. As for "acid-free", it can lack precision: A product might be acid-free at the point of manufacture (because of mechanical purification and buffering) but may revert to an acidic state over time.
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Two wider points regarding your framer:
1. When you first brought in the Pose, did you make any mention of conservation or museum framing? If so, then the material used (double-sided tape) and the subsequent skinning of the paper when the tape was removed are red flags โ at the very least, in relation to knowledge and competence.
2. Now reconsider the excuses made by the woman you spoke to: That what you saw on the back of the print wasn't damage, just "remnants of the foamboard". And later, the reference to "perfectly normal practice when (re)framing", plus having also "done this work for museums". These assertions suggest (and arguably even demonstrate) dishonesty or idiocy, or a combination of the two.
Either of the above on their own would undermine my confidence in a framer and push me to take my business elsewhere.
My latest artbuy (Pose Blot Magenta) has been an absolute nightmare. Figured I'd post it here too to get some feedback.. This has been a framing job from hell for me so far. Took it to my framer the day I got it. Went with my regular black frame and chose to float it as I had done with him in the past. He was about to move to his new shop so I told him I could understand if it would take a little longer. He said no it'll be done in about two weeks like you are used to. I called after three, and finally it was done after four, no biggie. When I went to pick it up I was a bit rushed and I didn't notice it till I got home that he floated it so high I could look behind the print and see the foam, not only that but there were pencil marks too that you couldn't ignore. So a few days later, I went back and explained my problems. He said I was right and he would fix it. Two weeks later I went to pick it up again, the pencil marks were gone but I could still see the foam. I still wasn't satisfied and told him to fix it. That was three weeks ago. Last week a friend of mine went to pick up another print (not done) and he asked about mine, they were working on it, but they could only remove the print a couple of mm's a day. I was worried. So today my friend called, he was gonna pick up his print and asked if I wanted to tag along and see what's up with mine. So I asked the framer what the status of my print was and he said they were almost done. I asked why it took so long and if there wasn't any damage. He said they used double sided acid free tape, three horizontal lines in total and everything would be fine. I told him to call me when he was done removing the foamboard. While we were talking his wife triumphantly walked in and said she got it done. She said, see it's totally fine, I said yes but that's the front side, let me see the back. Needless to say I was shocked.. First she said that it was remnants of the foamboard and that she'd remove that too, when I said no that's the actual print she claimed this was perfectly normal practice when (re)framing, stating I've done this work for museums as well, told her I could hardly believe her and no museum would ever be ok with this. She wasn't going argue with me and told me to take it up with her husband. Luckily he was a bit more understanding and right away he told me to source a replacement and he would sort it with his insurancecompany. The worst is that I would have never known about this had I not come in today, they were never going to show me this. They were just going to reframe it and I would have only found out if and when I decide to resell it someday. There's a couple of options now, not sure what would be the thing to do. Anyone been in this position before? @buckwurst Yikes! Sorry to see this. I had a similar experience with a large original on paper. Used the same framer 3 times previously. Long story short, after a year of getting jerked around, they finally admitted they ruined the piece. The framer and insurance was a nightmare dealing with because I purchased the piece at a charity auction and no gallery would tell me how much it was actually worth. You don't really know how good a framer is until you open up one of the works they worked on. I'd only use the little plastic corners if buying works on paper. He's done my Horfeรฉ original on paper as well, that's never leaving the collection so I'm just not going to find out.I have a couple options. I could buy a mint copy and have him pay for it, then what? I could sell it as is and source a new one and have him cover the difference. I could have him pay me a couple hundred, he frames it, I hang it as it is. But I would need to know what the value now is, not sure what's fair or who could tell me To be honest, this was kind of a impulse buy and it's been two months since I got it. By now I wouldn't mind to just get rid of it all together and buy something else.. Two provisos to begin with: (i) Sorry for the lengthy quotes. The idea is to allow this post to be read on a standalone basis, without need for cross-referencing. (ii) I appreciate the photographs you often post on this message board, along with your passion for art and general level-headedness. ------- Quick advice regarding the Po se (which is for me a secondary matter): In your position, I'd follow the suggestion of your framer by sourcing an excellent-condition replacement print and getting him to pay for it. Before initiating searches, set everything out in an email โ referring to his offer in sufficient detail, confirming your agreement and also the fact you'll keep him updated on progress. A clear paper trail is crucial to minimise the risk of misunderstanding. As you're now uncertain about the image itself, once purchased, stick the replacement print in a folder or plan chest. After a couple of months, take it out, have a think, and then decide whether you wish to resell or keep it. ------- My key interest relates to this comment in your second post: "He's done my Horfeรฉ original on paper as well, that's never leaving the collection so I'm just not going to find out."If you were thinking when writing, then your reasoning is half-baked. Where is the foresight? It's my view that Horfรฉe is a culturally significant artist. In other words, his originals merit being treated with both respect and conservation in mind. I'm pretty sure you'd agree. However, I also suspect it is unlikely that your original on paper was framed accordingly. If this is correct, the longer you do nothing and leave things as they are, the more difficult it'll be to address issues caused by poor framing techniques and materials. And the greater the chances of damage occurring. You confirmed the Horfรฉe is never leaving your collection. This โ far more than an option of reselling in the future โ is reason alone to take that framed piece to a paper restorer, have the adhesive professionally removed, and then arrange for "proper" reframing. ------- For your records and peace of mind, a serious, ethical framer will confirm in writing the framing specifics and techniques you've agreed upon. They should also confirm the materials they've used โ along with their characteristics and even the brand-name details, if requested. According to industry standards set by the Fine Art Trade Guild, the use of self-adhesive tape is not permissible for any framing at either ' Museum Level' or the slightly lower standard of ' Conservation Level' (what some Americans refer to as "preservation framing"). Don't indulge in wishful thinking or delusion encouraged by the reassuring sales-speak of a framer, or the often misleading marketing-driven terms used to describe framing products. For example, words like "archival" and "conservation" on product packaging are sometimes stated loosely. They do not always equate to being fully reversible. As for "acid-free", it can lack precision: A product might be acid-free at the point of manufacture (because of mechanical purification and buffering) but may revert to an acidic state over time. ------- Two wider points regarding your framer: 1. When you first brought in the Po se, did you make any mention of conservation or museum framing? If so, then the material used (double-sided tape) and the subsequent skinning of the paper when the tape was removed are red flags โ at the very least, in relation to knowledge and competence. 2. Now reconsider the excuses made by the woman you spoke to: That what you saw on the back of the print wasn't damage, just "remnants of the foamboard". And later, the reference to "perfectly normal practice when (re)framing", plus having also "done this work for museums". These assertions suggest (and arguably even demonstrate) dishonesty or idiocy, or a combination of the two. Either of the ab ove on their own would undermine my confidence in a framer and push me to take my business elsewhere.
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1978per
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by 1978per on Dec 19, 2016 18:30:11 GMT 1, Not super recent, but glad to finally get my hands on this banksy record cover.
Not super recent, but glad to finally get my hands on this banksy record cover.
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Flashback
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Flashback on Dec 19, 2016 20:02:23 GMT 1, I've told the framer to do nothing with the print untill further notice and that I would think about my next steps and keep him informed. Thanks everybody for all the input so far it's been really helpfull.. Thank you met for your reply. You are absolutely right on the Horfe issue and I will definitly look into that. If I remember correctly he did explicitly talk about full reversibilty at the time but I will definitly confront him about this framejob. It is by far the best piece I own and it should be framed accordingly. Would you say the inspection and, if necessary, restauration would be at his cost as well?I'm not usually someone to get mad easily in a conversation but the things the woman said baffled me and truly pissed me off. Hence why she told me to take it up with her husband. The fact that he offered to pay for a replacement right away tells me that he realized they dropped the ball on this. Now that I'm typing this I realize that getting a mint replacement is the only correct solution for me and I shouldn't care about what happens to my copy, that's his problem. I didn't mention this in my original post as it was long enough as it was but the print my friend (a relatively cheap Felipe Pantone) picked up was framed in a frame that was wider than intended (the framer was upfront about this and my friend got a 30% discount) and turned out to be slightly skewed when he further examined the piece at home. When we walked out we agreed that we were going to look for another framer. They're an older couple and you would think that would account for some experience, apparently not. Maybe they're getting to old for this work. It's a shame really as he's helped me out in the past (a nasty mold issue) and I've never had any complaints. But I guess it's like someone mentioned, you only find out about this sort of practise when something goes wrong and you have to open it up again. They've gave you reason to lose confidence in their work, so 100% they would have to take care of everything, if only to keep your business in the future if that frame job turned out to be perfect.
I've told the framer to do nothing with the print untill further notice and that I would think about my next steps and keep him informed. Thanks everybody for all the input so far it's been really helpfull.. Thank you met for your reply. You are absolutely right on the Horfe issue and I will definitly look into that. If I remember correctly he did explicitly talk about full reversibilty at the time but I will definitly confront him about this framejob. It is by far the best piece I own and it should be framed accordingly. Would you say the inspection and, if necessary, restauration would be at his cost as well?I'm not usually someone to get mad easily in a conversation but the things the woman said baffled me and truly pissed me off. Hence why she told me to take it up with her husband. The fact that he offered to pay for a replacement right away tells me that he realized they dropped the ball on this. Now that I'm typing this I realize that getting a mint replacement is the only correct solution for me and I shouldn't care about what happens to my copy, that's his problem. I didn't mention this in my original post as it was long enough as it was but the print my friend (a relatively cheap Felipe Pantone) picked up was framed in a frame that was wider than intended (the framer was upfront about this and my friend got a 30% discount) and turned out to be slightly skewed when he further examined the piece at home. When we walked out we agreed that we were going to look for another framer. They're an older couple and you would think that would account for some experience, apparently not. Maybe they're getting to old for this work. It's a shame really as he's helped me out in the past (a nasty mold issue) and I've never had any complaints. But I guess it's like someone mentioned, you only find out about this sort of practise when something goes wrong and you have to open it up again. They've gave you reason to lose confidence in their work, so 100% they would have to take care of everything, if only to keep your business in the future if that frame job turned out to be perfect.
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Viking Surfer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Viking Surfer on Dec 20, 2016 0:22:12 GMT 1, I made the mistake of taking my lady along to the framers a while back and they were having an exhibition of Jamie Holman's work and she fell in love with this:
It's essentially a giant photograph of a dustbin lid, but it's stunningly beautiful.
The body of work is based on the artist's father's three tours in Belfast. The lid series in particular was based on how the housewives would bang their dustbin lids (pictured) to warn their fellas when they saw the British soldiers approaching. This was particularly dangerous as the army would smash the windows of any house they saw doing this.
These are stunning huge C-Type prints. Edition of 2, framed by Darbyshires for ยฃ900. Bargain.
But the past part of all of this is that the art police can no longer say/complain that she doesn't have a say in the choosing of our artwork. This alone was worth ยฃ900.
I made the mistake of taking my lady along to the framers a while back and they were having an exhibition of Jamie Holman's work and she fell in love with this: It's essentially a giant photograph of a dustbin lid, but it's stunningly beautiful. The body of work is based on the artist's father's three tours in Belfast. The lid series in particular was based on how the housewives would bang their dustbin lids (pictured) to warn their fellas when they saw the British soldiers approaching. This was particularly dangerous as the army would smash the windows of any house they saw doing this. These are stunning huge C-Type prints. Edition of 2, framed by Darbyshires for ยฃ900. Bargain. But the past part of all of this is that the art police can no longer say/complain that she doesn't have a say in the choosing of our artwork. This alone was worth ยฃ900.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 0:24:11 GMT 1, I made the mistake of taking my lady along to the framers a while back and they were having an exhibition of Jamie Holman's work and she fell in love with this: It's essentially a giant photograph of a dustbin lid, but it's actually beautiful. The body of work is based on his father's three tours in Belfast and how the housewives would bang their dustbin lids to warn their fellas when they saw the British soldiers approaching. This was particularly dangerous as the army would smash the windows of any house they saw doing this. These are stunning huge C-Type prints. Edition of 2, framed by Darbyshires for ยฃ900. Bargain. But the past part of all of this is that the art police can no longer say/complain that she doesn't have a say in the choosing of artwork. This alone was worth ยฃ900.
How much is a dustbin lid?
I made the mistake of taking my lady along to the framers a while back and they were having an exhibition of Jamie Holman's work and she fell in love with this: It's essentially a giant photograph of a dustbin lid, but it's actually beautiful. The body of work is based on his father's three tours in Belfast and how the housewives would bang their dustbin lids to warn their fellas when they saw the British soldiers approaching. This was particularly dangerous as the army would smash the windows of any house they saw doing this. These are stunning huge C-Type prints. Edition of 2, framed by Darbyshires for ยฃ900. Bargain. But the past part of all of this is that the art police can no longer say/complain that she doesn't have a say in the choosing of artwork. This alone was worth ยฃ900. How much is a dustbin lid?
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Viking Surfer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Viking Surfer on Dec 20, 2016 0:36:43 GMT 1, How much is a dustbin lid?
How much is a dustbin lid?
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Viking Surfer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Viking Surfer on Dec 20, 2016 0:44:32 GMT 1, They were all quite cool:
Each of the lids were named after the road in which they were taken.
They were all quite cool: Each of the lids were named after the road in which they were taken.
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ABC
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by ABC on Dec 20, 2016 12:16:19 GMT 1, http://instagram.com/p/BOPKQYch4O7 Just got another framed up.
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pingoo
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by pingoo on Dec 20, 2016 16:48:05 GMT 1, Very pleased to add on the wall a piece by Faust. His handwriting is an elegant and stylish mix between calligraphy and old school lettering. The piece is signed on the back but it came with a signed mount which add a nice touch when framed. The words used on this piece have also a special spiritual echo to me.
Very pleased to add on the wall a piece by Faust. His handwriting is an elegant and stylish mix between calligraphy and old school lettering. The piece is signed on the back but it came with a signed mount which add a nice touch when framed. The words used on this piece have also a special spiritual echo to me.
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sugar72
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by sugar72 on Dec 20, 2016 19:37:22 GMT 1, Henrik Uldalen Oil on wood #10
Henrik Uldalen Oil on wood #10
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Larry David
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Larry David on Dec 20, 2016 19:45:46 GMT 1, Henrik Uldalen Oil on wood #10 Very, Very nice.
Henrik Uldalen Oil on wood #10 Very, Very nice.
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