treweman
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by treweman on Nov 28, 2017 20:20:55 GMT 1, Thanks for the reply. Indeed art is subjective, and each of us have our own tastes, styles we prefer and how we view pieces - different strokes for different folks. My apologies for my crass and quick comment and my apologies for any offence caused. No biggie! Ha, wanted to write that for a while now. In truth, I wasn't offended by your opinion. I was more worried that I would get a reputation as someone with an unhealthy attraction to underage women if I didn't respond.
Thanks for the reply. Indeed art is subjective, and each of us have our own tastes, styles we prefer and how we view pieces - different strokes for different folks. My apologies for my crass and quick comment and my apologies for any offence caused. No biggie! Ha, wanted to write that for a while now. In truth, I wasn't offended by your opinion. I was more worried that I would get a reputation as someone with an unhealthy attraction to underage women if I didn't respond.
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rosac
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by rosac on Nov 28, 2017 20:21:31 GMT 1, I still stand by my original statement. Itโs wierd
I still stand by my original statement. Itโs wierd
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Viking Surfer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Viking Surfer on Nov 28, 2017 21:18:02 GMT 1, Thanks treweman for the response.
I enjoyed both your response and learning more about interpretation of the work, I also read through the buzzfeed article too. Both art debate and context are incredible things.
I also agree that experimentation is a wonderful thing, along with the youthful innocence we lose as we get older. However, her works still make me feel uncomfortable. It's great that she found this release and battles her own upbringing, but some of the images in particular I could never sit down and enjoy.
Nudity and children is not the issue, I think our society has become far too PC and protective, it's only when the subject is sexualised that it doesn't quite sit right with me and makes me feel uncomfortable.
This was another of hers and more hits home with that sense of unease:
I mean it could be argued that it is a reflection of our society to see this as wrong and again it is completely natural/pure etc for experimentation and curiosity at a young age, and that's fine. For me though, that period of life passed many years ago and I don't want a visual reminder of it on my wall. Especially if it could make people that are important to me also feel uncomfortable. As I said in my original post, her work is just not my cup of tea.
That said, I've loved all the other works you have posted from your collection and I hope you continue sharing all the other works you collect.
Thanks treweman for the response. I enjoyed both your response and learning more about interpretation of the work, I also read through the buzzfeed article too. Both art debate and context are incredible things. I also agree that experimentation is a wonderful thing, along with the youthful innocence we lose as we get older. However, her works still make me feel uncomfortable. It's great that she found this release and battles her own upbringing, but some of the images in particular I could never sit down and enjoy. Nudity and children is not the issue, I think our society has become far too PC and protective, it's only when the subject is sexualised that it doesn't quite sit right with me and makes me feel uncomfortable. This was another of hers and more hits home with that sense of unease: I mean it could be argued that it is a reflection of our society to see this as wrong and again it is completely natural/pure etc for experimentation and curiosity at a young age, and that's fine. For me though, that period of life passed many years ago and I don't want a visual reminder of it on my wall. Especially if it could make people that are important to me also feel uncomfortable. As I said in my original post, her work is just not my cup of tea. That said, I've loved all the other works you have posted from your collection and I hope you continue sharing all the other works you collect.
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Larry David
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Larry David on Nov 28, 2017 21:46:49 GMT 1, Shock horror - The art forum is almost becoming an art forum again
Shock horror - The art forum is almost becoming an art forum again
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highflyer
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by highflyer on Nov 28, 2017 22:23:24 GMT 1,
What the fuk? You've got issues.
What the fuk? You've got issues.
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pr.yu
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by pr.yu on Nov 28, 2017 22:24:16 GMT 1, Thanks treweman for the response. I enjoyed both your response and learning more about interpretation of the work, I also read through the buzzfeed article too. Both art debate and context are incredible things. I also agree that experimentation is a wonderful thing, along with the youthful innocence we lose as we get older. However, her works still make me feel uncomfortable. It's great that she found this release and battles her own upbringing, but some of the images in particular I could never sit down and enjoy. Nudity and children is not the issue, I think our society has become far too PC and protective, it's only when the subject is sexualised that it doesn't quite sit right with me and makes me feel uncomfortable. This was another of hers and more hits home with that sense of unease: I mean it could be argued that it is a reflection of our society to see this as wrong and again it is completely natural/pure etc for experimentation and curiosity at a young age, and that's fine. For me though, that period of life passed many years ago and I don't want a visual reminder of it on my wall. Especially if it could make people that are important to me also feel uncomfortable. As I said in my original post, her work is just not my cup of tea. That said, I've loved all the other works you have posted from your collection and I hope you continue sharing all the other works you collect. I'm about as liberal as they come, and I do see this as a reflection of our society to see this as wrong -- a POSITIVE reflection of our society. If you continually find yourself explaining to others that a piece of art has a meaning OTHER than subtle child pornography, it's probably not the people who are viewing it. It's probably the art.
As once famously said, I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. These pieces are of young girls in tempting poses. I don't think there's anything subtle about it, and if my co-workers found photos of girls in such poses on my computer, I'm pretty sure I'd have a significant problem on my hands. Because they are well-done paintings doesn't make it any better.
Thanks treweman for the response. I enjoyed both your response and learning more about interpretation of the work, I also read through the buzzfeed article too. Both art debate and context are incredible things. I also agree that experimentation is a wonderful thing, along with the youthful innocence we lose as we get older. However, her works still make me feel uncomfortable. It's great that she found this release and battles her own upbringing, but some of the images in particular I could never sit down and enjoy. Nudity and children is not the issue, I think our society has become far too PC and protective, it's only when the subject is sexualised that it doesn't quite sit right with me and makes me feel uncomfortable. This was another of hers and more hits home with that sense of unease: I mean it could be argued that it is a reflection of our society to see this as wrong and again it is completely natural/pure etc for experimentation and curiosity at a young age, and that's fine. For me though, that period of life passed many years ago and I don't want a visual reminder of it on my wall. Especially if it could make people that are important to me also feel uncomfortable. As I said in my original post, her work is just not my cup of tea. That said, I've loved all the other works you have posted from your collection and I hope you continue sharing all the other works you collect. I'm about as liberal as they come, and I do see this as a reflection of our society to see this as wrong -- a POSITIVE reflection of our society. If you continually find yourself explaining to others that a piece of art has a meaning OTHER than subtle child pornography, it's probably not the people who are viewing it. It's probably the art. As once famously said, I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. These pieces are of young girls in tempting poses. I don't think there's anything subtle about it, and if my co-workers found photos of girls in such poses on my computer, I'm pretty sure I'd have a significant problem on my hands. Because they are well-done paintings doesn't make it any better.
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Express Post
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Express Post on Nov 28, 2017 22:39:13 GMT 1, What the fuk? You've got issues. This.ย
I looked up some of Jana's work to see what all the fuss was about.
Now my mind is made up.
Big N-O to this Candy Palace.
What the fuk? You've got issues. This.ย I looked up some of Jana's work to see what all the fuss was about. Now my mind is made up. Big N-O to this Candy Palace.
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Larry David
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Larry David on Nov 28, 2017 22:47:38 GMT 1, Christ I thought I was fairly liberal - for me Iโm out but pleased to see the discussions continue, each to their own, Iโll stick to the odd cword or middle finger in a print.
Christ I thought I was fairly liberal - for me Iโm out but pleased to see the discussions continue, each to their own, Iโll stick to the odd cword or middle finger in a print.
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Extra Ball
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Extra Ball on Nov 28, 2017 22:50:54 GMT 1, do you see that in your living room?
drop, it's perverse
do you see that in your living room?
drop, it's perverse
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chevyav53
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by chevyav53 on Nov 28, 2017 23:27:00 GMT 1, I am sorry, I don't see how you can justify these in any way. If these were live photos, you are going to jail. Great color lighting yadayada but not right.
I am sorry, I don't see how you can justify these in any way. If these were live photos, you are going to jail. Great color lighting yadayada but not right.
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Redbirds
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Redbirds on Nov 29, 2017 0:14:00 GMT 1, Holy butterflyโs and flower pedals -art police would Lionel Richie my ass
Holy butterflyโs and flower pedals -art police would Lionel Richie my ass
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J0NNY
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by J0NNY on Nov 29, 2017 1:36:01 GMT 1, What the fuk? You've got issues. This.ย I looked up some of Jana's work to see what all the fuss was about. Now my mind is made up. Big N-O to this Candy Palace.
Nothing strange or sexual things going on with children here though. Your dirty mind is to blame, the artist is just trying to represent a freedom she never had. Yeah right.
What the fuk? You've got issues. This.ย I looked up some of Jana's work to see what all the fuss was about. Now my mind is made up. Big N-O to this Candy Palace. Nothing strange or sexual things going on with children here though. Your dirty mind is to blame, the artist is just trying to represent a freedom she never had. Yeah right.
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Stinky Pete
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Stinky Pete on Nov 29, 2017 2:19:40 GMT 1, hell that stuff is nasty pedo level imagery, i would really like that taken down just awful
hell that stuff is nasty pedo level imagery, i would really like that taken down just awful
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d.r. perseus
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by d.r. perseus on Nov 29, 2017 5:05:40 GMT 1, I appreciate the cogent argument treweman but it's a bit unfair to impose darkness on the majority of viewers because we live in a hyper sexualized culture that is sensitive to obvious imagery of child sexuality. (Also noting that many have been affected by it directly or indirectly) i can only Hope you maintain love for the "innocence" of the imagery on your wall and thank you for sharing your story.
I appreciate the cogent argument treweman but it's a bit unfair to impose darkness on the majority of viewers because we live in a hyper sexualized culture that is sensitive to obvious imagery of child sexuality. (Also noting that many have been affected by it directly or indirectly) i can only Hope you maintain love for the "innocence" of the imagery on your wall and thank you for sharing your story.
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Stinky Pete
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Stinky Pete on Nov 29, 2017 5:12:47 GMT 1, I appreciate the cogent argument treweman but it's a bit unfair to impose darkness on the majority of viewers because we live in a hyper sexualized culture that is sensitive to obvious imagery of child sexuality. (Also noting that many have been affected by it directly or indirectly) i can only Hope you maintain love for the "innocence" of the imagery on your wall and thank you for sharing your story.
There is no innocence in sexualised portrayal of children itโs not about darkness itโs about pandering to the lust of some fairly sick individuals out there and these sort of images may directly encourage the sexual Abuse of real children when viewed by those with a predilection
I unfortunately have professional experience of these people and this is candy for them
I appreciate the cogent argument treweman but it's a bit unfair to impose darkness on the majority of viewers because we live in a hyper sexualized culture that is sensitive to obvious imagery of child sexuality. (Also noting that many have been affected by it directly or indirectly) i can only Hope you maintain love for the "innocence" of the imagery on your wall and thank you for sharing your story. There is no innocence in sexualised portrayal of children itโs not about darkness itโs about pandering to the lust of some fairly sick individuals out there and these sort of images may directly encourage the sexual Abuse of real children when viewed by those with a predilection I unfortunately have professional experience of these people and this is candy for them
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d.r. perseus
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by d.r. perseus on Nov 29, 2017 5:54:13 GMT 1, I appreciate the cogent argument treweman but it's a bit unfair to impose darkness on the majority of viewers because we live in a hyper sexualized culture that is sensitive to obvious imagery of child sexuality. (Also noting that many have been affected by it directly or indirectly) i can only Hope you maintain love for the "innocence" of the imagery on your wall and thank you for sharing your story. There is no innocence in sexualised portrayal of children itโs not about darkness itโs about pandering to the lust of some fairly sick individuals out there and these sort of images may directly encourage the sexual Abuse of real children when viewed by those with a predilection I unfortunately have professional experience of these people and this is candy for them
The image he showed as his purchase While Tasteless IMO, I grant HIM the meaning he places on it..,...hence the word innocence in quotation. Images in art don't promote abuse, Abuse promotes abuse. I find not one image appealing on the previous page. the explanation as given as to why she paints this subject I find very lacking and agree She likely "panders" to a sick group that IMO deserved to be treated no better than sick dogs with rabies.
I appreciate the cogent argument treweman but it's a bit unfair to impose darkness on the majority of viewers because we live in a hyper sexualized culture that is sensitive to obvious imagery of child sexuality. (Also noting that many have been affected by it directly or indirectly) i can only Hope you maintain love for the "innocence" of the imagery on your wall and thank you for sharing your story. There is no innocence in sexualised portrayal of children itโs not about darkness itโs about pandering to the lust of some fairly sick individuals out there and these sort of images may directly encourage the sexual Abuse of real children when viewed by those with a predilection I unfortunately have professional experience of these people and this is candy for them The image he showed as his purchase While Tasteless IMO, I grant HIM the meaning he places on it..,...hence the word innocence in quotation. Images in art don't promote abuse, Abuse promotes abuse. I find not one image appealing on the previous page. the explanation as given as to why she paints this subject I find very lacking and agree She likely "panders" to a sick group that IMO deserved to be treated no better than sick dogs with rabies.
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lucky7
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by lucky7 on Nov 29, 2017 17:12:25 GMT 1, Thanks treweman for the response. I enjoyed both your response and learning more about interpretation of the work, I also read through the buzzfeed article too. Both art debate and context are incredible things. I also agree that experimentation is a wonderful thing, along with the youthful innocence we lose as we get older. However, her works still make me feel uncomfortable. It's great that she found this release and battles her own upbringing, but some of the images in particular I could never sit down and enjoy. Nudity and children is not the issue, I think our society has become far too PC and protective, it's only when the subject is sexualised that it doesn't quite sit right with me and makes me feel uncomfortable. This was another of hers and more hits home with that sense of unease: I mean it could be argued that it is a reflection of our society to see this as wrong and again it is completely natural/pure etc for experimentation and curiosity at a young age, and that's fine. For me though, that period of life passed many years ago and I don't want a visual reminder of it on my wall. Especially if it could make people that are important to me also feel uncomfortable. As I said in my original post, her work is just not my cup of tea. That said, I've loved all the other works you have posted from your collection and I hope you continue sharing all the other works you collect. I'm about as liberal as they come, and I do see this as a reflection of our society to see this as wrong -- a POSITIVE reflection of our society. If you continually find yourself explaining to others that a piece of art has a meaning OTHER than subtle child pornography, it's probably not the people who are viewing it. It's probably the art. As once famously said, I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. These pieces are of young girls in tempting poses. I don't think there's anything subtle about it, and if my co-workers found photos of girls in such poses on my computer, I'm pretty sure I'd have a significant problem on my hands. Because they are well-done paintings doesn't make it any better.
This piece in particular, for me, itโs not a tempting pose. I see a young female who may or may not be underage (its a painting for christs sake!) sitting down.
If what you see is a child in a โtemptingโ pose, then I think you have an oversexualized mind and should seek professional help. Creepy.
Thanks treweman for the response. I enjoyed both your response and learning more about interpretation of the work, I also read through the buzzfeed article too. Both art debate and context are incredible things. I also agree that experimentation is a wonderful thing, along with the youthful innocence we lose as we get older. However, her works still make me feel uncomfortable. It's great that she found this release and battles her own upbringing, but some of the images in particular I could never sit down and enjoy. Nudity and children is not the issue, I think our society has become far too PC and protective, it's only when the subject is sexualised that it doesn't quite sit right with me and makes me feel uncomfortable. This was another of hers and more hits home with that sense of unease: I mean it could be argued that it is a reflection of our society to see this as wrong and again it is completely natural/pure etc for experimentation and curiosity at a young age, and that's fine. For me though, that period of life passed many years ago and I don't want a visual reminder of it on my wall. Especially if it could make people that are important to me also feel uncomfortable. As I said in my original post, her work is just not my cup of tea. That said, I've loved all the other works you have posted from your collection and I hope you continue sharing all the other works you collect. I'm about as liberal as they come, and I do see this as a reflection of our society to see this as wrong -- a POSITIVE reflection of our society. If you continually find yourself explaining to others that a piece of art has a meaning OTHER than subtle child pornography, it's probably not the people who are viewing it. It's probably the art. As once famously said, I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. These pieces are of young girls in tempting poses. I don't think there's anything subtle about it, and if my co-workers found photos of girls in such poses on my computer, I'm pretty sure I'd have a significant problem on my hands. Because they are well-done paintings doesn't make it any better. This piece in particular, for me, itโs not a tempting pose. I see a young female who may or may not be underage (its a painting for christs sake!) sitting down. If what you see is a child in a โtemptingโ pose, then I think you have an oversexualized mind and should seek professional help. Creepy.
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pr.yu
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by pr.yu on Nov 29, 2017 17:27:08 GMT 1, I'm about as liberal as they come, and I do see this as a reflection of our society to see this as wrong -- a POSITIVE reflection of our society. If you continually find yourself explaining to others that a piece of art has a meaning OTHER than subtle child pornography, it's probably not the people who are viewing it. It's probably the art. As once famously said, I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. These pieces are of young girls in tempting poses. I don't think there's anything subtle about it, and if my co-workers found photos of girls in such poses on my computer, I'm pretty sure I'd have a significant problem on my hands. Because they are well-done paintings doesn't make it any better. This piece in particular, for me, itโs not a tempting pose. I see a young female who may or may not be underage (its a painting for christs sake!) sitting down. If what you see is a child in a โtemptingโ pose, then I think you have an oversexualized mind and should seek professional help. Creepy.
Make it your screen saver at work then. See how long it takes to get called to discuss your position with human resources.
I'm about as liberal as they come, and I do see this as a reflection of our society to see this as wrong -- a POSITIVE reflection of our society. If you continually find yourself explaining to others that a piece of art has a meaning OTHER than subtle child pornography, it's probably not the people who are viewing it. It's probably the art. As once famously said, I don't know the definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it. These pieces are of young girls in tempting poses. I don't think there's anything subtle about it, and if my co-workers found photos of girls in such poses on my computer, I'm pretty sure I'd have a significant problem on my hands. Because they are well-done paintings doesn't make it any better. This piece in particular, for me, itโs not a tempting pose. I see a young female who may or may not be underage (its a painting for christs sake!) sitting down. If what you see is a child in a โtemptingโ pose, then I think you have an oversexualized mind and should seek professional help. Creepy. Make it your screen saver at work then. See how long it takes to get called to discuss your position with human resources.
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kaos
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by kaos on Nov 29, 2017 17:38:52 GMT 1, This artist clearly has massive issues and she is not going to find the answers by painting images of this kind. I agree with an earlier poster the images on the previous page should be removed. That's not art!
This artist clearly has massive issues and she is not going to find the answers by painting images of this kind. I agree with an earlier poster the images on the previous page should be removed. That's not art!
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sugar72
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by sugar72 on Nov 29, 2017 19:01:38 GMT 1, This artist clearly has massive issues and she is not going to find the answers by painting images of this kind. I agree with an earlier poster the images on the previous page should be removed. That's not art!
Agree wholeheartedly
This artist clearly has massive issues and she is not going to find the answers by painting images of this kind. I agree with an earlier poster the images on the previous page should be removed. That's not art! Agree wholeheartedly
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lucky7
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by lucky7 on Nov 29, 2017 21:11:19 GMT 1, How fitting! A victorian outrage in a forum dedicated to british vandalism.
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How fitting! A victorian outrage in a forum dedicated to british vandalism.
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pr.yu
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by pr.yu on Nov 30, 2017 0:26:36 GMT 1, Turning away from subtle child porn disguised as art, here's my recent pickup from the framer. Harland Miller's Happiness show card signed (who knows if it's real), floated with a mat and museum glass in simple white frame.
Turning away from subtle child porn disguised as art, here's my recent pickup from the framer. Harland Miller's Happiness show card signed (who knows if it's real), floated with a mat and museum glass in simple white frame.
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rosac
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by rosac on Nov 30, 2017 8:13:48 GMT 1, Turning away from subtle child porn disguised as art, here's my recent pickup from the framer. Harland Miller's Happiness show card signed (who knows if it's real), floated with a mat and museum glass in simple white frame.
Looks exactly like his scribble.
Turning away from subtle child porn disguised as art, here's my recent pickup from the framer. Harland Miller's Happiness show card signed (who knows if it's real), floated with a mat and museum glass in simple white frame. Looks exactly like his scribble.
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shygetshigh83
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July 2014
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by shygetshigh83 on Nov 30, 2017 22:14:35 GMT 1, Swoon AP Edition variant of 20 pieces all diffent heavily hand finished
Canโt wait to have it in hands
http://instagram.com/p/BcIb6_rAmm9
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viz
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by viz on Dec 1, 2017 12:21:39 GMT 1, the farthest from urban but I like it, Antony Hegarty (mainly known as Antony or Anohni), giclรฉe print, edition 20
the farthest from urban but I like it, Antony Hegarty (mainly known as Antony or Anohni), giclรฉe print, edition 20
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timmundo
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September 2017
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by timmundo on Dec 1, 2017 18:54:33 GMT 1, COPE2 just personally delivered my new piece.
COPE2 just personally delivered my new piece.
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sonmi451
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August 2016
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by sonmi451 on Dec 1, 2017 21:10:54 GMT 1, Love these Carl Cashman cactus studies looks great... are you going to frame?
Love these Carl Cashman cactus studies looks great... are you going to frame?
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tito
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by tito on Dec 1, 2017 23:37:48 GMT 1, Buying art on a budget, Black Friday purchase.
Jacklyn Alderete - Sruti (Listening to what is heard)
Buying art on a budget, Black Friday purchase. Jacklyn Alderete - Sruti (Listening to what is heard)
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Redbirds
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Redbirds on Dec 2, 2017 1:39:21 GMT 1, looks great... are you going to frame? Thanks, I hadn't planned to, but popped it into an ikea frame after you mentioned it. Does it look better in a frame? I'm not sure it needs it.
Looked better before framed -really pops
looks great... are you going to frame? Thanks, I hadn't planned to, but popped it into an ikea frame after you mentioned it. Does it look better in a frame? I'm not sure it needs it. Looked better before framed -really pops
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