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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by John The Badgers on Jul 28, 2019 18:52:04 GMT 1, Some great pieces on this page, appreciate all the pictures.
Some great pieces on this page, appreciate all the pictures.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 10:14:04 GMT 1, Euan Roberts 'I'm OK' canvas.. one of my favorites
Euan Roberts 'I'm OK' canvas.. one of my favorites
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pgm
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by pgm on Jul 29, 2019 12:24:50 GMT 1, I really like the framing on that
I really like the framing on that
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Wisconinla
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Wisconinla on Jul 29, 2019 19:06:28 GMT 1, Just grabbed another piece by one of my favorites, UFO907
mixed media on a Tokyo subway map
Just grabbed another piece by one of my favorites, UFO907 mixed media on a Tokyo subway map
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walfredo
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by walfredo on Jul 29, 2019 19:35:11 GMT 1, Got this not too long ago to match another piece from the same group. fantastic work by Run...i believe this was done with a special sponge process on a burlap sack.
Got this not too long ago to match another piece from the same group. fantastic work by Run...i believe this was done with a special sponge process on a burlap sack.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Coach on Jul 29, 2019 20:14:33 GMT 1, Got this not too long ago to match another piece from the same group. fantastic work by Run...i believe this was done with a special sponge process on a burlap sack.
Very nice; thanks for sharing. I’m fond of Run’s work.
Got this not too long ago to match another piece from the same group. fantastic work by Run...i believe this was done with a special sponge process on a burlap sack. Very nice; thanks for sharing. I’m fond of Run’s work.
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raulegido
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by raulegido on Jul 29, 2019 21:43:27 GMT 1, Here is a video of my latest art piece. It´s called "Michael" and it´s diamond dust and mixed media on custom assamblage. I recommend you to watch the video since it´s a complex piece and has many details.
Here are some photos
It´s from a series of big artworks i´m working on right now based on famous musicians.
Great thread by the way
Egido
Here is a video of my latest art piece. It´s called "Michael" and it´s diamond dust and mixed media on custom assamblage. I recommend you to watch the video since it´s a complex piece and has many details. Here are some photos It´s from a series of big artworks i´m working on right now based on famous musicians. Great thread by the way Egido
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met
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Jul 29, 2019 23:50:45 GMT 1, Here is a video of my latest art piece. It´s called "Michael" and it´s diamond dust and mixed media on custom assamblage. I recommend you to watch the video since it´s a complex piece and has many details. [...] [...] It´s from a series of big artworks i´m working on right now based on famous musicians. Great thread by the way Egido
I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept.
What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to?
[Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]
Here is a video of my latest art piece. It´s called "Michael" and it´s diamond dust and mixed media on custom assamblage. I recommend you to watch the video since it´s a complex piece and has many details. [...] [...] It´s from a series of big artworks i´m working on right now based on famous musicians. Great thread by the way Egido I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]
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rebate
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by rebate on Jul 30, 2019 0:22:28 GMT 1, Seen Canvas. Went with a thick, high gloss, box white frame with a small spacer. Love how it came out. 100 face dice That looks great! Nice big piece and sits great in that chunky frame too.
Seen Canvas. Went with a thick, high gloss, box white frame with a small spacer. Love how it came out. 100 face diceThat looks great! Nice big piece and sits great in that chunky frame too.
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rebate
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by rebate on Jul 30, 2019 0:24:06 GMT 1, Got this not too long ago to match another piece from the same group. fantastic work by Run...i believe this was done with a special sponge process on a burlap sack. Nice pick up, always liked these pieces.
Got this not too long ago to match another piece from the same group. fantastic work by Run...i believe this was done with a special sponge process on a burlap sack. Nice pick up, always liked these pieces.
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raulegido
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by raulegido on Jul 30, 2019 0:26:25 GMT 1,
Here is a video of my latest art piece. It´s called "Michael" and it´s diamond dust and mixed media on custom assamblage. I recommend you to watch the video since it´s a complex piece and has many details. [...] [...] It´s from a series of big artworks i´m working on right now based on famous musicians. Great thread by the way Egido I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks
Here is a video of my latest art piece. It´s called "Michael" and it´s diamond dust and mixed media on custom assamblage. I recommend you to watch the video since it´s a complex piece and has many details. [...] [...] It´s from a series of big artworks i´m working on right now based on famous musicians. Great thread by the way Egido I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks
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tab1
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by tab1 on Jul 30, 2019 1:22:12 GMT 1, I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks
Daniel silk and met , has some one taken over their accounts ? Both out of character of recent 😮😁
I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks Daniel silk and met , has some one taken over their accounts ? Both out of character of recent 😮😁
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met
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Jul 30, 2019 1:27:09 GMT 1, I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks
My post was an attempt to get a better understanding of your thought process and concept. The multiple references to McDonald's confused me because I couldn't figure out how they tied in with Michael Jackson.
I assume there exists some relationship that I'm unaware of between Jackson and McDonald's — this being the reason you brought them both together in your work.
If that assumption is indeed correct, could you clarify what the actual relationship is?
I'm curious to hear more about the artistic concept. What connection between Michael Jackson and McDonald's is this piece making or referring to? [Although obvious and therefore uninteresting, other possible ideas include juxtaposing a portrait of Jackson with:
(i) Pepsi logos and fire; (ii) vials of Propofol; or (iii) "Jesus juice" and children's underpants.]I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks My post was an attempt to get a better understanding of your thought process and concept. The multiple references to McDonald's confused me because I couldn't figure out how they tied in with Michael Jackson. I assume there exists some relationship that I'm unaware of between Jackson and McDonald's — this being the reason you brought them both together in your work. If that assumption is indeed correct, could you clarify what the actual relationship is?
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Kevin Anderson on Jul 30, 2019 9:02:28 GMT 1, I had a few new prints arrive while I was away.
Pure Evil
Mr. Bingo
Mau Mau
I had a few new prints arrive while I was away. Pure Evil Mr. Bingo Mau Mau
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ADC
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by ADC on Jul 30, 2019 10:08:41 GMT 1, I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks My post was an attempt to get a better understanding of your thought process and concept. The multiple references to McDonald's confused me because I couldn't figure out how they tied in with Michael Jackson. I assume there exists some relationship that I'm unaware of between Jackson and McDonald's — this being the reason you brought them both together in your work. If that assumption is indeed correct, could you clarify what the actual relationship is?
Perhaps the recent Michael Jackson documentary, and McDonald's being a restaurant aimed at kids.... 😳
I don´t understand the point of your post. If you don´t like it that´s good, i don´t care, everybody have different opinions, but suggesting those ideas was somewhat innapropiate (specially the last one). It´s like asking an artist to paint a piece with a bigger brush or different colors or concepts, totally pointless. I invite you to create your own version and express yourself in a more possitive manner. Thanks My post was an attempt to get a better understanding of your thought process and concept. The multiple references to McDonald's confused me because I couldn't figure out how they tied in with Michael Jackson. I assume there exists some relationship that I'm unaware of between Jackson and McDonald's — this being the reason you brought them both together in your work. If that assumption is indeed correct, could you clarify what the actual relationship is? Perhaps the recent Michael Jackson documentary, and McDonald's being a restaurant aimed at kids.... 😳
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reyn
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by reyn on Jul 30, 2019 14:35:11 GMT 1, So I've been on the lookout for a Carl Cashman for a while....and picked up the following brick original.....being a surveyor it had relevance👍. I love it
Anyway there was a delay in comms and postage and to apologise Carl sent out the extra original below (totally unexpected and what a surprise). What a true gent. Carl....if you read this thanks pal
So I've been on the lookout for a Carl Cashman for a while....and picked up the following brick original.....being a surveyor it had relevance👍. I love it Anyway there was a delay in comms and postage and to apologise Carl sent out the extra original below (totally unexpected and what a surprise). What a true gent. Carl....if you read this thanks pal
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mcgill14
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by mcgill14 on Jul 30, 2019 18:38:48 GMT 1, So I've been on the lookout for a Carl Cashman for a while....and picked up the following brick original.....being a surveyor it had relevance👍. I love it Anyway there was a delay in comms and postage and to apologise Carl sent out the extra original below (totally unexpected and what a surprise). What a true gent. Carl....if you read this thanks pal He is without doubt one of the nicest artists I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. Your pieces are fantastic.
So I've been on the lookout for a Carl Cashman for a while....and picked up the following brick original.....being a surveyor it had relevance👍. I love it Anyway there was a delay in comms and postage and to apologise Carl sent out the extra original below (totally unexpected and what a surprise). What a true gent. Carl....if you read this thanks pal He is without doubt one of the nicest artists I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. Your pieces are fantastic.
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Carl Cashman
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Carl Cashman on Jul 30, 2019 19:00:29 GMT 1, So I've been on the lookout for a Carl Cashman for a while....and picked up the following brick original.....being a surveyor it had relevance👍. I love it Anyway there was a delay in comms and postage and to apologise Carl sent out the extra original below (totally unexpected and what a surprise). What a true gent. Carl....if you read this thanks pal I'm still getting to grips with juggling my Art, semi skimmed and a 6 month old baby 🤣. Thanks for your support and kind words.
So I've been on the lookout for a Carl Cashman for a while....and picked up the following brick original.....being a surveyor it had relevance👍. I love it Anyway there was a delay in comms and postage and to apologise Carl sent out the extra original below (totally unexpected and what a surprise). What a true gent. Carl....if you read this thanks pal I'm still getting to grips with juggling my Art, semi skimmed and a 6 month old baby 🤣. Thanks for your support and kind words.
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paintwar
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by paintwar on Jul 30, 2019 19:33:54 GMT 1, Love this. Who’s the artist?
Love this. Who’s the artist?
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met
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Jul 31, 2019 0:03:42 GMT 1, I've told the framer to do nothing with the print untill further notice and that I would think about my next steps and keep him informed. Thanks everybody for all the input so far it's been really helpfull.. Thank you met for your reply. You are absolutely right on the Horfe issue and I will definitly look into that. If I remember correctly he did explicitly talk about full reversibilty at the time but I will definitly confront him about this framejob. It is by far the best piece I own and it should be framed accordingly. Would you say the inspection and, if necessary, restauration would be at his cost as well?I'm not usually someone to get mad easily in a conversation but the things the woman said baffled me and truly pissed me off. Hence why she told me to take it up with her husband. The fact that he offered to pay for a replacement right away tells me that he realized they dropped the ball on this. Now that I'm typing this I realize that getting a mint replacement is the only correct solution for me and I shouldn't care about what happens to my copy, that's his problem. I didn't mention this in my original post as it was long enough as it was but the print my friend (a relatively cheap Felipe Pantone) picked up was framed in a frame that was wider than intended (the framer was upfront about this and my friend got a 30% discount) and turned out to be slightly skewed when he further examined the piece at home. When we walked out we agreed that we were going to look for another framer. They're an older couple and you would think that would account for some experience, apparently not. Maybe they're getting to old for this work. It's a shame really as he's helped me out in the past (a nasty mold issue) and I've never had any complaints. But I guess it's like someone mentioned, you only find out about this sort of practise when something goes wrong and you have to open it up again. The following is coming from someone who doesn't live in The Netherlands and knows nothing about the local framing culture. With that caveat stated, here's my advice: 1. Going forward, keep things courteous with your framer. Comments, requests or concerns expressed should be clear and reasonable. Whether communicating in writing, by telephone or in person, make sure your tone remains calm. If you're perceived as hostile, it's likely to work against you. Your case needs to be presented in such a manner that your framer will want to resolve the issue(s) and remain on good terms. 2. Chances of securing satisfactory outcomes may be strongest if you deal with matters one at a time. Raising multiple problems simultaneously could make it too clear to your framer that he's already lost you as a future client. He may then be less cooperative, since money he'd spend would bring no benefit in terms of nurturing an ongoing business relationship. Consequently, I would first try to sort out the replacement Po se print. Or at least confirm in writing with your framer his agreement to cover the replacement cost. Before discussing the Horfée original in any detail, you should also arm yourself with information. More on this below. 3. Regarding your question on liability for expenses for the possible inspection of the Horfée, that depends on the adhesive applied when framing. I'll come back to this in point 6. If self-adhesive tape was used on the Horfée and you'd like it removed, I'd say the responsibility for the cost of restoration depends on your local market. Framing industry norms and practices (including what is broadly deemed fair) may vary from one jurisdiction to another. In the UK, if I asked for conservation or museum framing, or even just emphasised that framing techniques and materials needed to be fully reversible, I'd expect a guilty framer to pay for the professional removal of tape applied to my artwork. The Fine Art Trade Guild is a UK-based body setting standards and guidelines for the fine art and framing industries. The Guild's position on self-adhesive tape is clear: Despite its ubiquity (because it requires no skill to use; any monkey could do it), self-adhesive tape is not permissible for conservation or museum framing. According to the Guild, the tapes currently on the market — even those marked as "archival" — are not fully reversible, and their risk of failing over time against the force of gravity is too high. [Tapes are made to be sticky, which gives them their hold. But this state of stickiness will not last indefinitely. Taking a commonplace example, look at the changes after a few years to masking tape that has been used to seal cardboard boxes.] You'll find similar comments about self-adhesive tape (a.k.a. pressure-sensitive tape) on specialised framing forums like The Picture Framers Grumble. Here's an old thread from 2008: www.thegrumble.com/index.php?threads/big-time-newb-question.36171/4. While sourcing another Po se print, you can contact a couple of conservation experts / art restorers specialised in works on paper. Communications by email are less convenient than quick telephone calls, but they're also written records which can bolster your case with the framer. The only Dutch expert I've heard of is Idelette van Leeuwen at the Rijksmuseum: Idelette van Leeuwen Head of Paper Conservation, Rijksmuseum Tel: +31 20 674 7113 Email: i.van.leeuwen@rijksmuseum.nlAlthough the museum probably doesn't offer restoration services to the public, Van Leeuwen should be able to answer various questions for you, and also recommend commercial paper restorers she has confidence in. You can ask about the framing techniques and materials the museum uses for valuable works on paper. I imagine they avoid all tape in favour of conservation-friendly alternatives — probably hinges made from hand-torn Japanese paper and starch paste. After the Rijksmuseum re-opened to the public in April 2013 following its 10-year renovation, Tru Vue released a promo video about the use of Tru Vue Optium Museum Acrylic for framing works on paper in the collection. Van Leeuwen was one of the talking heads: 5. When liaising with Van Leeuwen or other paper restorers, refer to the framing standards of the Fine Art Trade Guild — being the five levels of framing that ensure consistent benchmarks or reference points in the industry: - Minimum Level - Budget Level - Commended Level - Conservation Level - Museum Level Find out if these standards are recognised in The Netherlands. If they're not, presumably there are similar, broadly-accepted standards which do exist — especially those comparable to conservation or museum framing. Then check whether, in their professional opinion, the restorers agree with the Guild's position that conservation / museum framing is not compatible with the use of double-sided tape (even if labelled "acid-free"). If they do share this view, get it in writing. 6. Having seen the damage on the back of your Po se print, I believe it's quite likely that double-sided tape was also used with your Horfée original. Perhaps once the Po se has been adequately dealt with, ask your framer to check his records and confirm what type of adhesive was applied to the Horfée. If self-adhesive tape was used, let your framer know that isn't consistent with his earlier assurances of full reversibility — assuming you've now got documentation from local experts to back this up. Then explain you'll have to get the tape removed from the artwork, as you have legitimate concerns regarding conservation. Let your framer know that since he was responsible for the initial mistake, he'll now need to cover the cost of rectifying it. 7. Good luck. At some point in the future, I may use extracts from this post for the separate thread, ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS.
@buckwurst — Were you able to achieve satisfactory resolutions in connection with the damaged Pose print and the Antwan Horfée original on paper?
If you get a moment, I'm confident it would be of interest to a few members to hear about:
(i) the final outcome(s);
(ii) what arguments, tactics or approaches were helpful (or, conversely, ineffectual) during your delicate discussions and negotiations with your framer; and
(iii) with the benefit of first-hand experience and hindsight, whether you have any tips for others who, at some point in the future, may find themselves in comparably awkward situations due to mistakes made by their own framers.
Previous exchange of posts here for ease of reference (currently on page 1,044 of this thread).
I've told the framer to do nothing with the print untill further notice and that I would think about my next steps and keep him informed. Thanks everybody for all the input so far it's been really helpfull.. Thank you met for your reply. You are absolutely right on the Horfe issue and I will definitly look into that. If I remember correctly he did explicitly talk about full reversibilty at the time but I will definitly confront him about this framejob. It is by far the best piece I own and it should be framed accordingly. Would you say the inspection and, if necessary, restauration would be at his cost as well?I'm not usually someone to get mad easily in a conversation but the things the woman said baffled me and truly pissed me off. Hence why she told me to take it up with her husband. The fact that he offered to pay for a replacement right away tells me that he realized they dropped the ball on this. Now that I'm typing this I realize that getting a mint replacement is the only correct solution for me and I shouldn't care about what happens to my copy, that's his problem. I didn't mention this in my original post as it was long enough as it was but the print my friend (a relatively cheap Felipe Pantone) picked up was framed in a frame that was wider than intended (the framer was upfront about this and my friend got a 30% discount) and turned out to be slightly skewed when he further examined the piece at home. When we walked out we agreed that we were going to look for another framer. They're an older couple and you would think that would account for some experience, apparently not. Maybe they're getting to old for this work. It's a shame really as he's helped me out in the past (a nasty mold issue) and I've never had any complaints. But I guess it's like someone mentioned, you only find out about this sort of practise when something goes wrong and you have to open it up again. The following is coming from someone who doesn't live in The Netherlands and knows nothing about the local framing culture. With that caveat stated, here's my advice: 1. Going forward, keep things courteous with your framer. Comments, requests or concerns expressed should be clear and reasonable. Whether communicating in writing, by telephone or in person, make sure your tone remains calm. If you're perceived as hostile, it's likely to work against you. Your case needs to be presented in such a manner that your framer will want to resolve the issue(s) and remain on good terms. 2. Chances of securing satisfactory outcomes may be strongest if you deal with matters one at a time. Raising multiple problems simultaneously could make it too clear to your framer that he's already lost you as a future client. He may then be less cooperative, since money he'd spend would bring no benefit in terms of nurturing an ongoing business relationship. Consequently, I would first try to sort out the replacement Po se print. Or at least confirm in writing with your framer his agreement to cover the replacement cost. Before discussing the Horfée original in any detail, you should also arm yourself with information. More on this below. 3. Regarding your question on liability for expenses for the possible inspection of the Horfée, that depends on the adhesive applied when framing. I'll come back to this in point 6. If self-adhesive tape was used on the Horfée and you'd like it removed, I'd say the responsibility for the cost of restoration depends on your local market. Framing industry norms and practices (including what is broadly deemed fair) may vary from one jurisdiction to another. In the UK, if I asked for conservation or museum framing, or even just emphasised that framing techniques and materials needed to be fully reversible, I'd expect a guilty framer to pay for the professional removal of tape applied to my artwork. The Fine Art Trade Guild is a UK-based body setting standards and guidelines for the fine art and framing industries. The Guild's position on self-adhesive tape is clear: Despite its ubiquity (because it requires no skill to use; any monkey could do it), self-adhesive tape is not permissible for conservation or museum framing. According to the Guild, the tapes currently on the market — even those marked as "archival" — are not fully reversible, and their risk of failing over time against the force of gravity is too high. [Tapes are made to be sticky, which gives them their hold. But this state of stickiness will not last indefinitely. Taking a commonplace example, look at the changes after a few years to masking tape that has been used to seal cardboard boxes.] You'll find similar comments about self-adhesive tape (a.k.a. pressure-sensitive tape) on specialised framing forums like The Picture Framers Grumble. Here's an old thread from 2008: www.thegrumble.com/index.php?threads/big-time-newb-question.36171/4. While sourcing another Po se print, you can contact a couple of conservation experts / art restorers specialised in works on paper. Communications by email are less convenient than quick telephone calls, but they're also written records which can bolster your case with the framer. The only Dutch expert I've heard of is Idelette van Leeuwen at the Rijksmuseum: Idelette van Leeuwen Head of Paper Conservation, Rijksmuseum Tel: +31 20 674 7113 Email: i.van.leeuwen@rijksmuseum.nlAlthough the museum probably doesn't offer restoration services to the public, Van Leeuwen should be able to answer various questions for you, and also recommend commercial paper restorers she has confidence in. You can ask about the framing techniques and materials the museum uses for valuable works on paper. I imagine they avoid all tape in favour of conservation-friendly alternatives — probably hinges made from hand-torn Japanese paper and starch paste. After the Rijksmuseum re-opened to the public in April 2013 following its 10-year renovation, Tru Vue released a promo video about the use of Tru Vue Optium Museum Acrylic for framing works on paper in the collection. Van Leeuwen was one of the talking heads: 5. When liaising with Van Leeuwen or other paper restorers, refer to the framing standards of the Fine Art Trade Guild — being the five levels of framing that ensure consistent benchmarks or reference points in the industry: - Minimum Level - Budget Level - Commended Level - Conservation Level - Museum Level Find out if these standards are recognised in The Netherlands. If they're not, presumably there are similar, broadly-accepted standards which do exist — especially those comparable to conservation or museum framing. Then check whether, in their professional opinion, the restorers agree with the Guild's position that conservation / museum framing is not compatible with the use of double-sided tape (even if labelled "acid-free"). If they do share this view, get it in writing. 6. Having seen the damage on the back of your Po se print, I believe it's quite likely that double-sided tape was also used with your Horfée original. Perhaps once the Po se has been adequately dealt with, ask your framer to check his records and confirm what type of adhesive was applied to the Horfée. If self-adhesive tape was used, let your framer know that isn't consistent with his earlier assurances of full reversibility — assuming you've now got documentation from local experts to back this up. Then explain you'll have to get the tape removed from the artwork, as you have legitimate concerns regarding conservation. Let your framer know that since he was responsible for the initial mistake, he'll now need to cover the cost of rectifying it. 7. Good luck. At some point in the future, I may use extracts from this post for the separate thread, ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS. @buckwurst — Were you able to achieve satisfactory resolutions in connection with the damaged Pose print and the Antwan Horfée original on paper? If you get a moment, I'm confident it would be of interest to a few members to hear about: (i) the final outcome(s); (ii) what arguments, tactics or approaches were helpful (or, conversely, ineffectual) during your delicate discussions and negotiations with your framer; and (iii) with the benefit of first-hand experience and hindsight, whether you have any tips for others who, at some point in the future, may find themselves in comparably awkward situations due to mistakes made by their own framers. Previous exchange of posts here for ease of reference (currently on page 1,044 of this thread).
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met
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Jul 31, 2019 0:45:22 GMT 1, I had a few new prints arrive while I was away. Pure Evil [...]
The typeface used for this print looks to me like the handwriting of Charles Schulz.
Bardot with cat, France, 1959
I had a few new prints arrive while I was away. Pure Evil [...] The typeface used for this print looks to me like the handwriting of Charles Schulz. Bardot with cat, France, 1959
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dogstar
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by dogstar on Jul 31, 2019 0:58:31 GMT 1, I had a few new prints arrive while I was away. Pure Evil [...] The typeface used for this print looks to me like the handwriting of Charles Schulz. Bardot with cat, France, 1959
I had a few new prints arrive while I was away. Pure Evil [...] The typeface used for this print looks to me like the handwriting of Charles Schulz. Bardot with cat, France, 1959
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benjamayn
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by benjamayn on Jul 31, 2019 13:17:05 GMT 1,
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matgab
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by matgab on Jul 31, 2019 15:42:10 GMT 1, Busy week for me. Picked up a Maja Djordjevic hand finished (actually painted on-flowers and crown) print. Looks fantastic in the flesh.
Did you really get this one ? I just had a mail with this one still for sell. But I will go for regular edition, my favorite are sold. And I find it a bit expensive for an HPM. + 430Euro ...
Intriguing about that collab with Calleja ! ( EDiT : Didn't find pics, if someone get it, thanks.)
Busy week for me. Picked up a Maja Djordjevic hand finished (actually painted on-flowers and crown) print. Looks fantastic in the flesh.
Did you really get this one ? I just had a mail with this one still for sell. But I will go for regular edition, my favorite are sold. And I find it a bit expensive for an HPM. + 430Euro ...
Intriguing about that collab with Calleja ! ( EDiT : Didn't find pics, if someone get it, thanks.)
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matgab
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by matgab on Jul 31, 2019 15:54:46 GMT 1, My biggest art purchase in over 5 years. Waiting to do a fresh white coat this weekend on the wall, then looking forward to unpacking and hanging this beauty up! What is that ?
My biggest art purchase in over 5 years. Waiting to do a fresh white coat this weekend on the wall, then looking forward to unpacking and hanging this beauty up! What is that ?
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by Coach on Jul 31, 2019 16:52:46 GMT 1, My biggest art purchase in over 5 years. Waiting to do a fresh white coat this weekend on the wall, then looking forward to unpacking and hanging this beauty up! What is that ?
Just as a side note, people should avoid wrapping originals directly in bubble wrap. It can stick to the paint. It’s especially bad if the bubbles are facing inwards, as it can leave lots of round circles on the painting.
My biggest art purchase in over 5 years. Waiting to do a fresh white coat this weekend on the wall, then looking forward to unpacking and hanging this beauty up! What is that ? Just as a side note, people should avoid wrapping originals directly in bubble wrap. It can stick to the paint. It’s especially bad if the bubbles are facing inwards, as it can leave lots of round circles on the painting.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by The Blind Kid on Aug 1, 2019 2:31:35 GMT 1, What is that ? Just as a side note, people should avoid wrapping originals directly in bubble wrap. It can stick to the paint. It’s especially bad if the bubbles are facing inwards, as it can leave lots of round circles on the painting. Yeh, that's how the gallery transported it. Took it out of the wrapping as soon as it arrived. No issues, so all good.
What is that ? Just as a side note, people should avoid wrapping originals directly in bubble wrap. It can stick to the paint. It’s especially bad if the bubbles are facing inwards, as it can leave lots of round circles on the painting. Yeh, that's how the gallery transported it. Took it out of the wrapping as soon as it arrived. No issues, so all good.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by The Blind Kid on Aug 1, 2019 2:33:07 GMT 1, My biggest art purchase in over 5 years. Waiting to do a fresh white coat this weekend on the wall, then looking forward to unpacking and hanging this beauty up! What is that ? Haha, original Mark Whalen artwork, from a previous show. I haven't gotten around to hanging it yet - but found this photo from the exhibition
My biggest art purchase in over 5 years. Waiting to do a fresh white coat this weekend on the wall, then looking forward to unpacking and hanging this beauty up! What is that ? Haha, original Mark Whalen artwork, from a previous show. I haven't gotten around to hanging it yet - but found this photo from the exhibition
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19818914
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by 19818914 on Aug 1, 2019 2:35:09 GMT 1, Just as a side note, people should avoid wrapping originals directly in bubble wrap. It can stick to the paint. It’s especially bad if the bubbles are facing inwards, as it can leave lots of round circles on the painting. Yeh, that's how the gallery transported it. Took it out of the wrapping as soon as it arrived. No issues, so all good.
The imperfections caused by bubble wrap are irreversible and will surface over time. I’d say in a year or two your painting will be filled with circular marks from the packing.
Just as a side note, people should avoid wrapping originals directly in bubble wrap. It can stick to the paint. It’s especially bad if the bubbles are facing inwards, as it can leave lots of round circles on the painting. Yeh, that's how the gallery transported it. Took it out of the wrapping as soon as it arrived. No issues, so all good. The imperfections caused by bubble wrap are irreversible and will surface over time. I’d say in a year or two your painting will be filled with circular marks from the packing.
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