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5 Years Time, by Cocteau 101 on Dec 13, 2008 10:43:19 GMT 1, Not what I meant thanks Silky!
Not what I meant thanks Silky!
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5 Years Time, by bmjt on Dec 13, 2008 10:56:32 GMT 1, Silky....don't give RYCA or Cartrain any ideas for their next print...
Silky....don't give RYCA or Cartrain any ideas for their next print...
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5 Years Time, by Daniel Silk on Dec 13, 2008 11:06:19 GMT 1, Not what I meant thanks Silky!
We were both thinking the same thing  when you made your post I was doing the picture ;D
Not what I meant thanks Silky! We were both thinking the same thing when you made your post I was doing the picture ;D |
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5 Years Time, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 13, 2008 21:34:37 GMT 1, If you believe this then I have some Warhol Cat and Shoe drawings I'd like to sell you! James the difference here is that the early Banksy pieces are classic works that are quintessential Banksy pieces i.e. Laugh Now, works that started the phenomenem, the Warhols are an artist searching for a clear direction because he working in advertising. I get what you are saying but there is a difference. As the original author of this post nearly two years ago I think the fact that the work has developed quite dramatically is a sign of longevity, the guys a maverick and staying a maverick is key.
I was just trying a one-liner that the rest of the board might understand. If I were to make a more direct comparison to an artist it would be Banksy to Julian Schnabel. Considered a real maverick in the gallery world, he had a meteoric rise to fame in the 80's-90's, and he was "THE" it artist for many collectors at that time. Unfortunately his style did little to evolve, and his prices were so inflated that he lost some favor in the art world, and his prices took a dip but eventually recovered. His prices are more than they were in the 80's, but they haven't seen the same percentage gains as many of the other artists selling work at that time.
And now that you mention Banksy being a maverick...
If you believe this then I have some Warhol Cat and Shoe drawings I'd like to sell you! James the difference here is that the early Banksy pieces are classic works that are quintessential Banksy pieces i.e. Laugh Now, works that started the phenomenem, the Warhols are an artist searching for a clear direction because he working in advertising. I get what you are saying but there is a difference. As the original author of this post nearly two years ago I think the fact that the work has developed quite dramatically is a sign of longevity, the guys a maverick and staying a maverick is key. I was just trying a one-liner that the rest of the board might understand. If I were to make a more direct comparison to an artist it would be Banksy to Julian Schnabel. Considered a real maverick in the gallery world, he had a meteoric rise to fame in the 80's-90's, and he was "THE" it artist for many collectors at that time. Unfortunately his style did little to evolve, and his prices were so inflated that he lost some favor in the art world, and his prices took a dip but eventually recovered. His prices are more than they were in the 80's, but they haven't seen the same percentage gains as many of the other artists selling work at that time. And now that you mention Banksy being a maverick... |
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5 Years Time, by Cocteau 101 on Dec 13, 2008 21:37:29 GMT 1, James, have you been drinking ;D
James, have you been drinking ;D
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5 Years Time, by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 15:24:05 GMT 1, "some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing" Oscar "Wildman" Wild
sounds about right
"some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing" Oscar "Wildman" Wild sounds about right |
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5 Years Time, by pezlow on Dec 15, 2008 17:32:35 GMT 1, I don't think you can compare Banksy to Julian Schnabel. Schnabel's rise to fame in the 80's barely made a ripple outside the narrow confines of the art world.
The whole thing with Banksy is that his popularity has come from entirely outside the contemporary art establishment. He is sneered upon by most of the art world (except the auction houses of course). There isn't really any direct comparitor: most of the pop artists came from a fairly traditional art background; Basquiat and the first wave of graffiti artists had a small east coast base.
Banksy is a phenomenon that trascends the art world. Wall and Piece has sold over 1 million copies - most of those to people who would never dream of buying a book about art. Many people have compared this art movement to an music movement like punk and maybe that is a better comparitor.
What this means for the future who knows, but there are very few lessons to draw from the past.
I don't think you can compare Banksy to Julian Schnabel. Schnabel's rise to fame in the 80's barely made a ripple outside the narrow confines of the art world.
The whole thing with Banksy is that his popularity has come from entirely outside the contemporary art establishment. He is sneered upon by most of the art world (except the auction houses of course). There isn't really any direct comparitor: most of the pop artists came from a fairly traditional art background; Basquiat and the first wave of graffiti artists had a small east coast base.
Banksy is a phenomenon that trascends the art world. Wall and Piece has sold over 1 million copies - most of those to people who would never dream of buying a book about art. Many people have compared this art movement to an music movement like punk and maybe that is a better comparitor.
What this means for the future who knows, but there are very few lessons to draw from the past.
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5 Years Time, by kingleopald on Dec 16, 2008 1:12:37 GMT 1, Interesting point you raise Pezlow. Think you've hit on something there. The information era has allowed him to transcend the boundaries of popular culture.
Interesting point you raise Pezlow. Think you've hit on something there. The information era has allowed him to transcend the boundaries of popular culture.
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5 Years Time, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 16, 2008 7:17:27 GMT 1, I don't think you can compare Banksy to Julian Schnabel. Schnabel's rise to fame in the 80's barely made a ripple outside the narrow confines of the art world. The whole thing with Banksy is that his popularity has come from entirely outside the contemporary art establishment. He is sneered upon by most of the art world (except the auction houses of course). There isn't really any direct comparitor: most of the pop artists came from a fairly traditional art background; Basquiat and the first wave of graffiti artists had a small east coast base. Banksy is a phenomenon that trascends the art world. Wall and Piece has sold over 1 million copies - most of those to people who would never dream of buying a book about art. Many people have compared this art movement to an music movement like punk and maybe that is a better comparitor. What this means for the future who knows, but there are very few lessons to draw from the past.
You raise an interesting point Pez, maybe a Banksy / Kostabi comparison is better than the Banksy / Schnabel one I made earlier. Kostabi was more or less rejected by the art world at first, but became massively popular with the Yuppie crowd that the 80's economic boom created. As a result auction prices for his work soared, his popularity allowed him to transcend the gallery circuit, and he was able to often times offer the work direct to the viewers.
Similarly, Thomas Kinkade has turned the notion of needing to buy art from a gallery on its head with his signature Thomas Kinkade galleries found in shopping malls across America. You can also buy various editioned Kinkade items from his website as well (smell the Obey?) For Kinkade, his message is art for the masses, not for the art elite.. a message I feel many of the people on this forum echo, but within a different context.
Although we look to the past to predict the future, at best anything is an educated guess. I guess it seems like I am always dissing street art on this forum, but I'm really just trying to encourage serious discussion about the topic, and stretch people's notions about what collectible contemporary art is.
I don't think you can compare Banksy to Julian Schnabel. Schnabel's rise to fame in the 80's barely made a ripple outside the narrow confines of the art world. The whole thing with Banksy is that his popularity has come from entirely outside the contemporary art establishment. He is sneered upon by most of the art world (except the auction houses of course). There isn't really any direct comparitor: most of the pop artists came from a fairly traditional art background; Basquiat and the first wave of graffiti artists had a small east coast base. Banksy is a phenomenon that trascends the art world. Wall and Piece has sold over 1 million copies - most of those to people who would never dream of buying a book about art. Many people have compared this art movement to an music movement like punk and maybe that is a better comparitor. What this means for the future who knows, but there are very few lessons to draw from the past. You raise an interesting point Pez, maybe a Banksy / Kostabi comparison is better than the Banksy / Schnabel one I made earlier. Kostabi was more or less rejected by the art world at first, but became massively popular with the Yuppie crowd that the 80's economic boom created. As a result auction prices for his work soared, his popularity allowed him to transcend the gallery circuit, and he was able to often times offer the work direct to the viewers. Similarly, Thomas Kinkade has turned the notion of needing to buy art from a gallery on its head with his signature Thomas Kinkade galleries found in shopping malls across America. You can also buy various editioned Kinkade items from his website as well (smell the Obey?) For Kinkade, his message is art for the masses, not for the art elite.. a message I feel many of the people on this forum echo, but within a different context. Although we look to the past to predict the future, at best anything is an educated guess. I guess it seems like I am always dissing street art on this forum, but I'm really just trying to encourage serious discussion about the topic, and stretch people's notions about what collectible contemporary art is. |
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5 Years Time, by pezlow on Dec 16, 2008 8:01:56 GMT 1, Yes I can definitely see the comparison between Banksy and Thomas Kinkade - or in this country probably people like Jack Vettriano or Doug Hyde. Of course Banksy's work appeals to a different audience to any of those artists (thank god!) but there is the same "art for the masses" message. Just as long as we don't see Banksy's art being sold on QVC anytime soon!
Yes I can definitely see the comparison between Banksy and Thomas Kinkade - or in this country probably people like Jack Vettriano or Doug Hyde. Of course Banksy's work appeals to a different audience to any of those artists (thank god!) but there is the same "art for the masses" message. Just as long as we don't see Banksy's art being sold on QVC anytime soon!
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