Alan Craig
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Alan Craig on Oct 30, 2008 15:54:52 GMT 1, I'd go with a smaller Os Gemeos piece and perhaps a gallery Adam Neate piece, probably something from his Spacejunk show
I'd go with a smaller Os Gemeos piece and perhaps a gallery Adam Neate piece, probably something from his Spacejunk show
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edcase
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by edcase on Oct 30, 2008 15:58:16 GMT 1, The new Faile show might be worth a look
No chance with 'only 10k'
The new Faile show might be worth a look No chance with 'only 10k'
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13loco
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by 13loco on Oct 30, 2008 15:58:41 GMT 1, Agree with some of the names and in addition:
Brendan Monroe or Cleon Peterson
Agree with some of the names and in addition:
Brendan Monroe or Cleon Peterson
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by arcam on Oct 30, 2008 15:58:53 GMT 1, A Kaws drawing.
A Kaws drawing.
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:59:44 GMT 1, The new Faile show might be worth a look No chance with 'only 10k'
Ya think so? Its gonna be Bentley's only in the car park then ;D
The new Faile show might be worth a look No chance with 'only 10k' Ya think so? Its gonna be Bentley's only in the car park then ;D
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Alan Craig
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Alan Craig on Oct 30, 2008 16:02:28 GMT 1, mmmmmmmmmmm matt small
mmmmmmmmmmm matt small
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by graeme501 on Oct 30, 2008 16:07:25 GMT 1, i want a herakut, a matt small and a conor harington You are me. I have a Herakut OG already but only the hand-finished TLSG catalogue Small, and Harrington print.
u have good taste my friend herakut original on the way, have a matt small linocut from the london arts show waiting for me, but would love a painting, still need something by conor harington
Alexandros Vasmoulakis is also an artist i rate
i want a herakut, a matt small and a conor harington You are me. I have a Herakut OG already but only the hand-finished TLSG catalogue Small, and Harrington print. u have good taste my friend herakut original on the way, have a matt small linocut from the london arts show waiting for me, but would love a painting, still need something by conor harington Alexandros Vasmoulakis is also an artist i rate
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oneeye
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by oneeye on Oct 30, 2008 16:16:55 GMT 1, IAN FRANCIS all day long.
IAN FRANCIS all day long.
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lee3
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by lee3 on Oct 30, 2008 16:44:47 GMT 1, An interesting question and in times like this, it could prove useful to do some bottom fishing. £10k = ~$17k today. I would check out the auctions in November that are coming and submit a couple of low ball bids on stuff that you like and see if the seller hasn't lowered the reserve drastically in the hopes of moving some art at any costs. For instance, I would LOVE the following ink drawing with a $15k absentee bid (despite the low estimate being $30k) and see if perhaps you get lucky. The worst thing that can happen is you get told no, keep all of your money, and you get added to the Sotheby's auction list and recieve a years worth of auction catalogs for free to peruse at your leisure and learn that much more about art.
No, i'm not the seller but this is a fantastic work (that will probably sell for $30k+ but worth trying anyway if you like the image and the history associated with it) clearly showing the evolution the artist was taking as he was making steps towards his groundbreaking Hourloupe series which would be born the following year. Baiscally, a year later he would begin adding red white and blue colors to drawings like this which would result in the hallmark style of his long career.
www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159502911
You can certainly get a lot better quality today than you could 60 days ago for your £10k and I wouldn't be in any hurry to part with it. Spend some time looking at the morning and day sales at Christie's & Sotheby's and see if anything strikes your fancy as you've got nothing to lose.
An interesting question and in times like this, it could prove useful to do some bottom fishing. £10k = ~$17k today. I would check out the auctions in November that are coming and submit a couple of low ball bids on stuff that you like and see if the seller hasn't lowered the reserve drastically in the hopes of moving some art at any costs. For instance, I would LOVE the following ink drawing with a $15k absentee bid (despite the low estimate being $30k) and see if perhaps you get lucky. The worst thing that can happen is you get told no, keep all of your money, and you get added to the Sotheby's auction list and recieve a years worth of auction catalogs for free to peruse at your leisure and learn that much more about art. No, i'm not the seller but this is a fantastic work (that will probably sell for $30k+ but worth trying anyway if you like the image and the history associated with it) clearly showing the evolution the artist was taking as he was making steps towards his groundbreaking Hourloupe series which would be born the following year. Baiscally, a year later he would begin adding red white and blue colors to drawings like this which would result in the hallmark style of his long career. www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159502911You can certainly get a lot better quality today than you could 60 days ago for your £10k and I wouldn't be in any hurry to part with it. Spend some time looking at the morning and day sales at Christie's & Sotheby's and see if anything strikes your fancy as you've got nothing to lose.
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linkd95
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by linkd95 on Oct 30, 2008 17:10:39 GMT 1, I would go for a MATT SMALL COMMISION, HERKUT, IAN FRANCIS or FAILE (depends which picture).
I would go for a MATT SMALL COMMISION, HERKUT, IAN FRANCIS or FAILE (depends which picture).
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jamesreeve5
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by jamesreeve5 on Oct 30, 2008 17:32:00 GMT 1, I WOULD SIT AROUND AND PERUSE AUCTION CATALOGUES UNTIL YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE WITH AN ESTIMATE IN YOUR PRICE RANGE. THINGS WILL BE CHEAP THIS YEAR.
I WOULD SIT AROUND AND PERUSE AUCTION CATALOGUES UNTIL YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE WITH AN ESTIMATE IN YOUR PRICE RANGE. THINGS WILL BE CHEAP THIS YEAR.
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 17:35:05 GMT 1, I WOULD SIT AROUND AND PERUSE AUCTION CATALOGUES UNTIL YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE WITH AN ESTIMATE IN YOUR PRICE RANGE. THINGS WILL BE CHEAP THIS YEAR.
Good idea! Could be some great buys about over the next few months at auction, and if you have 10k in ya pocket, you can afford to sit and wait for a real bargain to pop up.
I WOULD SIT AROUND AND PERUSE AUCTION CATALOGUES UNTIL YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE WITH AN ESTIMATE IN YOUR PRICE RANGE. THINGS WILL BE CHEAP THIS YEAR. Good idea! Could be some great buys about over the next few months at auction, and if you have 10k in ya pocket, you can afford to sit and wait for a real bargain to pop up.
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by alsbabar on Oct 30, 2008 17:40:11 GMT 1, I WOULD SIT AROUND AND PERUSE AUCTION CATALOGUES UNTIL YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE WITH AN ESTIMATE IN YOUR PRICE RANGE. THINGS WILL BE CHEAP THIS YEAR. Good idea! Could be some great buys about over the next few months at auction, and if you have 10k in ya pocket, you can afford to sit and wait for a real bargain to pop up.
problem with this logic is, if someone else has the same idea - you will soon find your 10K (denning) isnt as much as you thought - remember also at auction even if it is a bargain at hammer, you still have an additional 25% premiums (denning) to pay on top. Galleries, you could try and knock down and pick up a couple of bargains (denning)- or wave the reddies in front of a members nose on here and pick up a few bargains (denning).
I am sure dmf (denning) you will do what is right for you
I WOULD SIT AROUND AND PERUSE AUCTION CATALOGUES UNTIL YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE WITH AN ESTIMATE IN YOUR PRICE RANGE. THINGS WILL BE CHEAP THIS YEAR. Good idea! Could be some great buys about over the next few months at auction, and if you have 10k in ya pocket, you can afford to sit and wait for a real bargain to pop up. problem with this logic is, if someone else has the same idea - you will soon find your 10K (denning) isnt as much as you thought - remember also at auction even if it is a bargain at hammer, you still have an additional 25% premiums (denning) to pay on top. Galleries, you could try and knock down and pick up a couple of bargains (denning)- or wave the reddies in front of a members nose on here and pick up a few bargains (denning). I am sure dmf (denning) you will do what is right for you
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by graeme501 on Oct 30, 2008 17:44:23 GMT 1, i would go for primary sources and representing galleries of the artist every time over auctions
even though people think they are getting a bargain at auctions, they are the person who is prepared to pay the most amount of money for that work at that time, and then u need to add 25% onto that
i would go for primary sources and representing galleries of the artist every time over auctions
even though people think they are getting a bargain at auctions, they are the person who is prepared to pay the most amount of money for that work at that time, and then u need to add 25% onto that
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Martin Whatson on Oct 30, 2008 18:26:54 GMT 1, I think I would have bought a few Herakut Originals! Damn! :S
I think I would have bought a few Herakut Originals! Damn! :S
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artpartment
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by artpartment on Oct 30, 2008 18:41:56 GMT 1, artpartment shopping list: 1x sculpture of mark jenkins 1x borf 1x michael gumhold sure shots for 2009
artpartment shopping list: 1x sculpture of mark jenkins 1x borf 1x michael gumhold sure shots for 2009
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goffy
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by goffy on Oct 30, 2008 18:59:43 GMT 1, Chloe Early or Connor Harrington would be a start for me.
Chloe Early or Connor Harrington would be a start for me.
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dotdot
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by dotdot on Oct 30, 2008 19:17:34 GMT 1, don't laugh
osg.
don't laugh
osg.
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Va Va Voom
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Va Va Voom on Oct 30, 2008 19:27:39 GMT 1, i'd buy one of the abstract dalek originals, good sh it
At last someone with taste.......
i'd buy one of the abstract dalek originals, good sh it At last someone with taste.......
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Deleted on Oct 30, 2008 20:22:28 GMT 1, Damon Ginandes large canvas @ $3000
Adam Smith has some great stuff on his site, very good value for money.
Bon at £450 on Solued out studios originals page. never seen better quailty at that price before.
Damon Ginandes large canvas @ $3000
Adam Smith has some great stuff on his site, very good value for money.
Bon at £450 on Solued out studios originals page. never seen better quailty at that price before.
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qwertystar
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by qwertystar on Oct 30, 2008 21:10:10 GMT 1, A Judith Supine, a Damon Ginandes and a very nice Adam Neate pizza box.
Lovely jubbly.
A Judith Supine, a Damon Ginandes and a very nice Adam Neate pizza box.
Lovely jubbly.
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Standard
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Standard on Oct 30, 2008 21:10:20 GMT 1, With £10K to spend and the current climate/price trend I would have two...and pick up a Hush and a Denning.
With £10K to spend and the current climate/price trend I would have two...and pick up a Hush and a Denning.
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lee3
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by lee3 on Oct 30, 2008 21:34:06 GMT 1, >>>even though people think they are getting a bargain at auctions, they are the person who is prepared to pay the most amount of money for that work at that time, and then u need to add 25% onto that<<<
That's one way of looking at it I suppose. However, I've taken another approach as the bull market in art rewarded dealers that held onto inventory and thus many (not all) set prices above auction levels thereby profiting off the "greater fool" theory. My hunch is that the number of us at this site that have bought from both auctions and dealers is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the number of us here that have bought only from dealers. There is a stigma that auctions are this snobbish outlet where the super affluent overpay.
100% of my buying for the first 7 years of my collecting came from dealers and artist's direct only. Over the past 3 years, I've bought more and more from auction as there are sadly too many artists in my collection where auction is the cheapest accumulation method today.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to run a 5 year artnet report on any given artist which displays all of the auction history to get a good feel for where the market is currently. One also has to factor into the equation that there is a healthy dose of manipulation within the auction market in an effort to drive prices higher so that dealer inventory increases in value. So, one needs to be careful and do their work. It is no coincidence that the largest unregualted market in the world is the playground of the wealthy.
That's my longwinded way of stating that I disagree that an auction buyer is the highest price anyone is willing to pay. It took me 2 years of reviewing auction prices and thinking to myself "damn, I would have gladly paid more than that price for that work" before i actually signed up and started bidding.
Now, we're in an even better place to be buying at auction imo. Dealers don't lower prices on work very often because they want their artists to be on an upward trajectory and it pisses off the previous buyers if the current show prices are less than they paid 2, 3, 4, or 5 years ago for similar sized work. So, they will be even slower to adjust pricing than what we just witnessed with the October sales in the UK. I just do no subscribe to the theory that the auction buyer is the most expensive. And the more you follow auctions the better you get as you'll learn to discern the inflection point in a good auctioneer's voice when a reserve has been met and you're still below the low estimate. This hobby is a constant learning curve from all sides but to dismiss auction prices as the highest is silly from my vantage point.
>>>even though people think they are getting a bargain at auctions, they are the person who is prepared to pay the most amount of money for that work at that time, and then u need to add 25% onto that<<<
That's one way of looking at it I suppose. However, I've taken another approach as the bull market in art rewarded dealers that held onto inventory and thus many (not all) set prices above auction levels thereby profiting off the "greater fool" theory. My hunch is that the number of us at this site that have bought from both auctions and dealers is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the number of us here that have bought only from dealers. There is a stigma that auctions are this snobbish outlet where the super affluent overpay.
100% of my buying for the first 7 years of my collecting came from dealers and artist's direct only. Over the past 3 years, I've bought more and more from auction as there are sadly too many artists in my collection where auction is the cheapest accumulation method today.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to run a 5 year artnet report on any given artist which displays all of the auction history to get a good feel for where the market is currently. One also has to factor into the equation that there is a healthy dose of manipulation within the auction market in an effort to drive prices higher so that dealer inventory increases in value. So, one needs to be careful and do their work. It is no coincidence that the largest unregualted market in the world is the playground of the wealthy.
That's my longwinded way of stating that I disagree that an auction buyer is the highest price anyone is willing to pay. It took me 2 years of reviewing auction prices and thinking to myself "damn, I would have gladly paid more than that price for that work" before i actually signed up and started bidding.
Now, we're in an even better place to be buying at auction imo. Dealers don't lower prices on work very often because they want their artists to be on an upward trajectory and it pisses off the previous buyers if the current show prices are less than they paid 2, 3, 4, or 5 years ago for similar sized work. So, they will be even slower to adjust pricing than what we just witnessed with the October sales in the UK. I just do no subscribe to the theory that the auction buyer is the most expensive. And the more you follow auctions the better you get as you'll learn to discern the inflection point in a good auctioneer's voice when a reserve has been met and you're still below the low estimate. This hobby is a constant learning curve from all sides but to dismiss auction prices as the highest is silly from my vantage point.
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mred
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by mred on Oct 30, 2008 22:48:37 GMT 1, couple of Mau Mau or Ian Francis
couple of Mau Mau or Ian Francis
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jamesreeve5
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by jamesreeve5 on Oct 30, 2008 22:53:58 GMT 1, >>>even though people think they are getting a bargain at auctions, they are the person who is prepared to pay the most amount of money for that work at that time, and then u need to add 25% onto that<<< That's one way of looking at it I suppose. However, I've taken another approach as the bull market in art rewarded dealers that held onto inventory and thus many (not all) set prices above auction levels thereby profiting off the "greater fool" theory. My hunch is that the number of us at this site that have bought from both auctions and dealers is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the number of us here that have bought only from dealers. There is a stigma that auctions are this snobbish outlet where the super affluent overpay. 100% of my buying for the first 7 years of my collecting came from dealers and artist's direct only. Over the past 3 years, I've bought more and more from auction as there are sadly too many artists in my collection where auction is the cheapest accumulation method today. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to run a 5 year artnet report on any given artist which displays all of the auction history to get a good feel for where the market is currently. One also has to factor into the equation that there is a healthy dose of manipulation within the auction market in an effort to drive prices higher so that dealer inventory increases in value. So, one needs to be careful and do their work. It is no coincidence that the largest unregualted market in the world is the playground of the wealthy. That's my longwinded way of stating that I disagree that an auction buyer is the highest price anyone is willing to pay. It took me 2 years of reviewing auction prices and thinking to myself "damn, I would have gladly paid more than that price for that work" before i actually signed up and started bidding. Now, we're in an even better place to be buying at auction imo. Dealers don't lower prices on work very often because they want their artists to be on an upward trajectory and it pisses off the previous buyers if the current show prices are less than they paid 2, 3, 4, or 5 years ago for similar sized work. So, they will be even slower to adjust pricing than what we just witnessed with the October sales in the UK. I just do no subscribe to the theory that the auction buyer is the most expensive. And the more you follow auctions the better you get as you'll learn to discern the inflection point in a good auctioneer's voice when a reserve has been met and you're still below the low estimate. This hobby is a constant learning curve from all sides but to dismiss auction prices as the highest is silly from my vantage point.
Very true indeed
>>>even though people think they are getting a bargain at auctions, they are the person who is prepared to pay the most amount of money for that work at that time, and then u need to add 25% onto that<<< That's one way of looking at it I suppose. However, I've taken another approach as the bull market in art rewarded dealers that held onto inventory and thus many (not all) set prices above auction levels thereby profiting off the "greater fool" theory. My hunch is that the number of us at this site that have bought from both auctions and dealers is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the number of us here that have bought only from dealers. There is a stigma that auctions are this snobbish outlet where the super affluent overpay. 100% of my buying for the first 7 years of my collecting came from dealers and artist's direct only. Over the past 3 years, I've bought more and more from auction as there are sadly too many artists in my collection where auction is the cheapest accumulation method today. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to run a 5 year artnet report on any given artist which displays all of the auction history to get a good feel for where the market is currently. One also has to factor into the equation that there is a healthy dose of manipulation within the auction market in an effort to drive prices higher so that dealer inventory increases in value. So, one needs to be careful and do their work. It is no coincidence that the largest unregualted market in the world is the playground of the wealthy. That's my longwinded way of stating that I disagree that an auction buyer is the highest price anyone is willing to pay. It took me 2 years of reviewing auction prices and thinking to myself "damn, I would have gladly paid more than that price for that work" before i actually signed up and started bidding. Now, we're in an even better place to be buying at auction imo. Dealers don't lower prices on work very often because they want their artists to be on an upward trajectory and it pisses off the previous buyers if the current show prices are less than they paid 2, 3, 4, or 5 years ago for similar sized work. So, they will be even slower to adjust pricing than what we just witnessed with the October sales in the UK. I just do no subscribe to the theory that the auction buyer is the most expensive. And the more you follow auctions the better you get as you'll learn to discern the inflection point in a good auctioneer's voice when a reserve has been met and you're still below the low estimate. This hobby is a constant learning curve from all sides but to dismiss auction prices as the highest is silly from my vantage point. Very true indeed
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by bradpitt on Oct 30, 2008 22:56:52 GMT 1, I would go ask Laz for a 50% discount on a Choe canvas. Heres hoping.
I would go ask Laz for a 50% discount on a Choe canvas. Heres hoping.
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jamesreeve5
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by jamesreeve5 on Oct 30, 2008 22:58:34 GMT 1, Although I do still think the auction house is the best idea. I do know of some Dan Colen Bubblegum paintings and some Lipstick Kisses paintings that are available. (He was in the Saatchi USA Today Show, and the 2006 Whitney Biennial) Anyone can PM me if they are interested for that matter.
Although I do still think the auction house is the best idea. I do know of some Dan Colen Bubblegum paintings and some Lipstick Kisses paintings that are available. (He was in the Saatchi USA Today Show, and the 2006 Whitney Biennial) Anyone can PM me if they are interested for that matter.
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kahuna
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by kahuna on Oct 30, 2008 23:00:26 GMT 1, Since it is almost Halloween, I have just "treated" myself to a Matt Small original from the charity show.
If the markets stabilize, another Denning from the Carmichael show would complete the 10k spending spree.
Since it is almost Halloween, I have just "treated" myself to a Matt Small original from the charity show.
If the markets stabilize, another Denning from the Carmichael show would complete the 10k spending spree.
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by junkieart on Oct 30, 2008 23:04:28 GMT 1, Herakut for me everytime...
Herakut for me everytime...
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If you had £10,000 which original?, by Ron Goldsurfer on Oct 31, 2008 0:08:30 GMT 1, A piece by Jasper Jones or Barnett Newman for me please... don´t know who they are?! Check em up you lazy sod, you will be happily surprised! I would happily trade my 3 signed Banksys for ONE Jasper Jones, and that is the truth! (ok, it has to be a signed original by JJ...)
A piece by Jasper Jones or Barnett Newman for me please... don´t know who they are?! Check em up you lazy sod, you will be happily surprised! I would happily trade my 3 signed Banksys for ONE Jasper Jones, and that is the truth! (ok, it has to be a signed original by JJ...)
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