Existencil
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by Existencil on Dec 11, 2008 0:18:21 GMT 1, I think he's held his working class, street ethic pretty well. It's the middle class that have the money to buy and to shape the power of his brand. I think the reason he's so adored is because he is communicating the struggle of the working class and the opressed.
I think he's held his working class, street ethic pretty well. It's the middle class that have the money to buy and to shape the power of his brand. I think the reason he's so adored is because he is communicating the struggle of the working class and the opressed.
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elwheel
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by elwheel on Dec 11, 2008 0:20:48 GMT 1, Im working class and proud mate, why be ashamed of your roots ? ...drawing lines between groups of people based on class, religion, race, income, or anything else, is a sure fire way to create a feeling of inequality. We are who we are and we do what we do and should not feel we're judged for where we come from or the income on which we survive. Life imo is simply about the choices we make.
Absolutely beautiful. Thank you
Im working class and proud mate, why be ashamed of your roots ? ...drawing lines between groups of people based on class, religion, race, income, or anything else, is a sure fire way to create a feeling of inequality. We are who we are and we do what we do and should not feel we're judged for where we come from or the income on which we survive. Life imo is simply about the choices we make. Absolutely beautiful. Thank you
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by flypitcher on Dec 11, 2008 0:21:02 GMT 1, Existencil that is beautiful. Nerds corner Private Eye beckons.
Existencil that is beautiful. Nerds corner Private Eye beckons.
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brun
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by brun on Dec 11, 2008 0:23:27 GMT 1, lets start another thread more interesting like "are coldplay plagarists ?" or maybe we should all get an early night .....
lets start another thread more interesting like "are coldplay plagarists ?" or maybe we should all get an early night .....
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by slowmo on Dec 11, 2008 0:25:02 GMT 1,
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brun
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by brun on Dec 11, 2008 0:39:00 GMT 1, there you go ! riff for riff ..........also check kraftwerk "computerworld" then listen to coldplay guitar riffs on this album !
there you go ! riff for riff ..........also check kraftwerk "computerworld" then listen to coldplay guitar riffs on this album !
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by brun on Dec 11, 2008 0:39:33 GMT 1, and they dont like whippets
and they dont like whippets
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by They call me Stephen on Dec 11, 2008 0:41:18 GMT 1, and they're white, the bastards ;D
and they're white, the bastards ;D
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jamesreeve5
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 11, 2008 1:47:18 GMT 1, Just read this quote. "The middle class work so hard to look for acceptance from the working class that they have allowed a middle class entrepreneur to hoodwink them into believing vandalism is art and they buy the stuff, everything banksy pretends to be against is represented by middle class up bringing making him one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet." True or False?
He makes a point. There is a BIG difference between middle class and working class. Anyone who owns a Banksy IS middle class or above simply because the price of prints is beyond what a true working class person could afford on a luxury item. And judging by the interest in the next print to drop (whichever one we are at), many of the people on here buy multiple prints, originals, or combinations of both. Furthermore, if you are even on this board, you more than likely have a halfway decent computer and an internet connection (unless you frequent the library), another sign of middle-classdom.
What the majority of Banksy's works present are the vices and pitfalls of mass, unbridled consumerism (like selling out 500 prints at 500 quid a pop in 5 seconds). Of course Banksy is a business man, if he were true to his art he could easily make his art without releasing 500 edition prints to go with every stencil he cuts. But where's the profit in that?
As far as the middle-class Banksy consumer is concerned, they believe their advantage is two-fold. 1) Buying this work makes them feel rebellious and more "real" (sort of like those white kids that dress up like rappers because it is their "true" selves), just like the many other trends that have been born from the working class (ex: grunge)..... 2) Somewhere along the line rich people started thinking Banksy's workwas worth buying, and anyone who owns a Banksy thinks that they should be extolled for their good taste and amazing foresight (sort of like an "I liked the band before you did" mentality). To put it bluntly, the middle-class believes that owning a Banksy gives them cred in both the working class and the upper class worlds.
Just read this quote. "The middle class work so hard to look for acceptance from the working class that they have allowed a middle class entrepreneur to hoodwink them into believing vandalism is art and they buy the stuff, everything banksy pretends to be against is represented by middle class up bringing making him one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet." True or False? He makes a point. There is a BIG difference between middle class and working class. Anyone who owns a Banksy IS middle class or above simply because the price of prints is beyond what a true working class person could afford on a luxury item. And judging by the interest in the next print to drop (whichever one we are at), many of the people on here buy multiple prints, originals, or combinations of both. Furthermore, if you are even on this board, you more than likely have a halfway decent computer and an internet connection (unless you frequent the library), another sign of middle-classdom. What the majority of Banksy's works present are the vices and pitfalls of mass, unbridled consumerism (like selling out 500 prints at 500 quid a pop in 5 seconds). Of course Banksy is a business man, if he were true to his art he could easily make his art without releasing 500 edition prints to go with every stencil he cuts. But where's the profit in that? As far as the middle-class Banksy consumer is concerned, they believe their advantage is two-fold. 1) Buying this work makes them feel rebellious and more "real" (sort of like those white kids that dress up like rappers because it is their "true" selves), just like the many other trends that have been born from the working class (ex: grunge)..... 2) Somewhere along the line rich people started thinking Banksy's workwas worth buying, and anyone who owns a Banksy thinks that they should be extolled for their good taste and amazing foresight (sort of like an "I liked the band before you did" mentality). To put it bluntly, the middle-class believes that owning a Banksy gives them cred in both the working class and the upper class worlds.
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elwheel
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by elwheel on Dec 11, 2008 1:48:41 GMT 1, Top tip for all forum members for 2009 (and the previous 97yrs and the next 100). Buy and read 'The ragged trousered philanthropist' by Robert Tressell. the best ยฃ8 you will ever spend in your life.
Top tip for all forum members for 2009 (and the previous 97yrs and the next 100). Buy and read 'The ragged trousered philanthropist' by Robert Tressell. the best ยฃ8 you will ever spend in your life.
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sfdoddsy
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by sfdoddsy on Dec 11, 2008 2:57:51 GMT 1, Of course Banksy is middle class, as are those who buy his stuff. James has hit the nail on the head. People might not like to admit this because it is cooler to pretend you are working class. It is the same as punk and rock before that. Take a look at your typical anarchist as well. Invariably these 'rebels' are the product of the middle to upper classes.
You think the working poor have the time or money to buy 500 quid prints, let alone the resale prices? Do you really think they give a toss about 'consumerism' or the military industrial complex? They might quite like some of the images, but they'd think those who pay this sort of money for them are a bunch of tossers.
As for race, I didn't see many people of colour in those photos of the POW queues. Or many females.
Of course Banksy is middle class, as are those who buy his stuff. James has hit the nail on the head. People might not like to admit this because it is cooler to pretend you are working class. It is the same as punk and rock before that. Take a look at your typical anarchist as well. Invariably these 'rebels' are the product of the middle to upper classes.
You think the working poor have the time or money to buy 500 quid prints, let alone the resale prices? Do you really think they give a toss about 'consumerism' or the military industrial complex? They might quite like some of the images, but they'd think those who pay this sort of money for them are a bunch of tossers.
As for race, I didn't see many people of colour in those photos of the POW queues. Or many females.
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by Deleted on Dec 11, 2008 3:30:01 GMT 1, secondary market is for middle and upper-class mainly i would think, even Banksy thinks they are morons (see print) but working class and upper working class (if that's what you want to call them) can afford to buy his prints from POW if they manage to get one that is. I'm what you would call lower working class or council estate yob and i can afford a banksy and I'm not alone, it's not all about class i think it's more about what your into and what your prepared to do to get the next print you want, and with Banksy prints you will have already been waiting over 12 months for to drop, and it's the chase of f5ing for hours in the vain hope of getting one, yes there are some prawn sandwich brigade (Roy) in to any working class hobbies,interests or passion like football , 1000s or working-class people each spend ยฃ1000s watching football all over the world and they pay ยฃ50 for a shirt and ยฃ50 a month for sky sports alone, are they middle-class?
secondary market is for middle and upper-class mainly i would think, even Banksy thinks they are morons (see print) but working class and upper working class (if that's what you want to call them) can afford to buy his prints from POW if they manage to get one that is. I'm what you would call lower working class or council estate yob and i can afford a banksy and I'm not alone, it's not all about class i think it's more about what your into and what your prepared to do to get the next print you want, and with Banksy prints you will have already been waiting over 12 months for to drop, and it's the chase of f5ing for hours in the vain hope of getting one, yes there are some prawn sandwich brigade (Roy) in to any working class hobbies,interests or passion like football , 1000s or working-class people each spend ยฃ1000s watching football all over the world and they pay ยฃ50 for a shirt and ยฃ50 a month for sky sports alone, are they middle-class?
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jamesreeve5
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 11, 2008 5:11:08 GMT 1, I'm what you would call lower working class or council estate yob and i can afford a banksy and I'm not alone, it's not all about class i think it's more about what your into and what your prepared to do to get the next print you want
ummm... you can afford a Banksy, you own a computer, and you have an internet connection... you're middle class! (no need for the self hate)
EDIT: I actually retract the statement above. For an explanation as to why please read this story...
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46361
As for race, I didn't see many people of colour in those photos of the POW queues. Or many females.
Street art is to today, as Comic books were to the 90's! Bunch of white dudes hanging out, paying way too much money for pretty paper...
I'm what you would call lower working class or council estate yob and i can afford a banksy and I'm not alone, it's not all about class i think it's more about what your into and what your prepared to do to get the next print you want ummm... you can afford a Banksy, you own a computer, and you have an internet connection... you're middle class! (no need for the self hate) EDIT: I actually retract the statement above. For an explanation as to why please read this story... www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46361As for race, I didn't see many people of colour in those photos of the POW queues. Or many females. Street art is to today, as Comic books were to the 90's! Bunch of white dudes hanging out, paying way too much money for pretty paper...
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skylarkin
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by skylarkin on Dec 11, 2008 11:00:55 GMT 1, sorry was just out feeding the pigeons . where were we ? got to get up a 5am to stoke the fire and then off to the coalface ..........
up at 5am..? I used to dream of getting up at 5am. Now a days Im up by 4, give my 12 kids a good thrashing then off to iron works
sorry was just out feeding the pigeons . where were we ? got to get up a 5am to stoke the fire and then off to the coalface .......... up at 5am..? I used to dream of getting up at 5am. Now a days Im up by 4, give my 12 kids a good thrashing then off to iron works
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by turkey on Dec 11, 2008 11:24:28 GMT 1, Middle Class is the new Working Class.......
Middle Class is the new Working Class.......
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by skylarkin on Dec 11, 2008 11:47:34 GMT 1, Middle Class is the new Working Class.......
Official figures for the UK average wage is ยฃ465 per week. So if your 'Middle Class' - Middle in this instance mean average, you will be anybody earning in excess of ยฃ24,000pa
The lower 10% of the employed in this country earn an average of ยฃ262 a week so as 'working class' has become a catch all for those working in lower paid jobs (not necessarily its original meaning) then your working class if you earn upwards of ยฃ14,000 a year.
This will all depend in where you live, for example in 2006 the average wage in Somerset was ยฃ16,000 (whilst the average house price was ยฃ250,000 - so who was buying all the houses..?)
Middle Class is the new Working Class....... Official figures for the UK average wage is ยฃ465 per week. So if your 'Middle Class' - Middle in this instance mean average, you will be anybody earning in excess of ยฃ24,000pa The lower 10% of the employed in this country earn an average of ยฃ262 a week so as 'working class' has become a catch all for those working in lower paid jobs (not necessarily its original meaning) then your working class if you earn upwards of ยฃ14,000 a year. This will all depend in where you live, for example in 2006 the average wage in Somerset was ยฃ16,000 (whilst the average house price was ยฃ250,000 - so who was buying all the houses..?)
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by ilikekittens on Dec 11, 2008 21:37:39 GMT 1, So in other words - if you are poor and buy a Banksy artwork - you are rich and great If you are rich and buy a Banksy artwork you are poor and stupid
and both very drunk
So in other words - if you are poor and buy a Banksy artwork - you are rich and great If you are rich and buy a Banksy artwork you are poor and stupid
and both very drunk
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by veralynn on Dec 11, 2008 22:32:29 GMT 1, My old man was born in Rainham, Essex in 1939 and shared a bedroom in his two bedroom house with 4 brothers and sisters up until he was 16.
He then went on to become Managing Director of a London merchant bank, so what class is he?
Class? What a load of old bollocks.
My old man was born in Rainham, Essex in 1939 and shared a bedroom in his two bedroom house with 4 brothers and sisters up until he was 16.
He then went on to become Managing Director of a London merchant bank, so what class is he?
Class? What a load of old bollocks.
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by onemandown72 on Dec 11, 2008 22:42:57 GMT 1, Class? What a load of old bollocks.
Couldn't have put it better myself. I f*cking hate the use of the class argument in any way shape or form.
Class? What a load of old bollocks. Couldn't have put it better myself. I f*cking hate the use of the class argument in any way shape or form.
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by doublehelix on Dec 11, 2008 22:47:17 GMT 1, Why are the British obsessed with class, all it does is create artificial barriers.
Why are the British obsessed with class, all it does is create artificial barriers.
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jamesreeve5
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 11, 2008 22:56:32 GMT 1, Class barriers are fluid folks... the US and the UK aren't in a caste system.
And no matter what you think about class systems, they do exist, and saying that they are bollocks does nothing to constructively support or criticize the argument about Banksy being for the middle class in any way.
Class barriers are fluid folks... the US and the UK aren't in a caste system.
And no matter what you think about class systems, they do exist, and saying that they are bollocks does nothing to constructively support or criticize the argument about Banksy being for the middle class in any way.
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by snakes on Dec 11, 2008 23:00:39 GMT 1, I was the class of 1989..
I was the class of 1989..
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by junkieart on Dec 11, 2008 23:01:02 GMT 1, DH Because Thatcher f**cked everyting!!! As discussed before we have no trade!!
DH Because Thatcher f**cked everyting!!! As discussed before we have no trade!!
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by junkieart on Dec 11, 2008 23:04:28 GMT 1, Sorry therefore breaking the union as there were no unions to look after any the working classes (hard working folk)
Sorry therefore breaking the union as there were no unions to look after any the working classes (hard working folk)
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by junkieart on Dec 11, 2008 23:15:32 GMT 1, More important question, is this forum now packed with rich little poor kids? Kids that can afford Herakuts etc for fun? Wish I could!!
More important question, is this forum now packed with rich little poor kids? Kids that can afford Herakuts etc for fun? Wish I could!!
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by cashman on Dec 11, 2008 23:22:07 GMT 1, More important question, is this forum now packed with rich little poor kids? Kids that can afford Herakuts etc for fun? Wish I could!!
I dont think think all are like that...I dont think you realise how many rocks I have to sell to be able to afford a Herakut piece. I had to work friday AND saturday night for mine!!
More important question, is this forum now packed with rich little poor kids? Kids that can afford Herakuts etc for fun? Wish I could!! I dont think think all are like that...I dont think you realise how many rocks I have to sell to be able to afford a Herakut piece. I had to work friday AND saturday night for mine!!
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by junkieart on Dec 11, 2008 23:34:18 GMT 1, CM, I think many on here put the work in, as I do. Also think alot are in daddies pocket which annoys me!! Probably because I love art but grown up with little funds!! Peace JA
CM, I think many on here put the work in, as I do. Also think alot are in daddies pocket which annoys me!! Probably because I love art but grown up with little funds!! Peace JA
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by dotdot on Dec 11, 2008 23:44:35 GMT 1, Just learnt a new trick on another thread so apologies in advance [/move]
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Is Banksy for the white middle class?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 12, 2008 0:21:42 GMT 1, More important question, is this forum now packed with rich little poor kids? Kids that can afford Herakuts etc for fun? Wish I could!!
possibly a few of them on here... but judging by these pics from POW open day I'd say middle aged, middle classed. On a positive note, I do see a black guy that's not Matt Small in one of the photos.
More important question, is this forum now packed with rich little poor kids? Kids that can afford Herakuts etc for fun? Wish I could!! possibly a few of them on here... but judging by these pics from POW open day I'd say middle aged, middle classed. On a positive note, I do see a black guy that's not Matt Small in one of the photos.
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