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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Nov 1, 2006 21:35:54 GMT 1, Greetings all,
I have a vague legal question. Im some of Banksys artwork, he uses images that definitely arent his. Like HMV, Golf Sale, Pulp Fiction, Napalm, etc. Im sure some of these are copyright protected.
Im going to start screenprinting myself. I love Banksys style and just ordered all the equipment to do it. Im curious to the legality of using someone elses photo and manipulating it into art. Is that ok to do. I know Warhol did it, as well as many others in the past.
Thoughts please. Thanks!!!
Greetings all,
I have a vague legal question. Im some of Banksys artwork, he uses images that definitely arent his. Like HMV, Golf Sale, Pulp Fiction, Napalm, etc. Im sure some of these are copyright protected.
Im going to start screenprinting myself. I love Banksys style and just ordered all the equipment to do it. Im curious to the legality of using someone elses photo and manipulating it into art. Is that ok to do. I know Warhol did it, as well as many others in the past.
Thoughts please. Thanks!!!
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legal question about Bankys topics, by sputnikeye on Nov 1, 2006 21:51:38 GMT 1, check out www.cnpdonline.com. Cauty has written enough about copyright and the rights of an artist, there's plenty to chew on there. ;D
check out www.cnpdonline.com. Cauty has written enough about copyright and the rights of an artist, there's plenty to chew on there. ;D |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Nov 1, 2006 21:52:57 GMT 1, thanks so much, im heading there right now!
thanks so much, im heading there right now!
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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Nov 1, 2006 21:54:24 GMT 1, that link didnt work, is there something else to try. thanks.
that link didnt work, is there something else to try. thanks.
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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Nov 1, 2006 23:14:33 GMT 1, any other help is greatly appreciated. thanks
any other help is greatly appreciated. thanks
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pedro
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legal question about Bankys topics, by pedro on Nov 2, 2006 0:10:53 GMT 1, On the face of it parodies etc that (by necessity) copy a substantial part of the original author's work will infringe the author's copyright however there is a defence of 'fair dealing' which allows you to copy parts of the work for criticism or review, which may well cover a lot of what banksy et al do.
On a more practical note - who is going to bring a claim against you? I suppose disney and maccy d's might for napalm but whoever owns the copyright for the hmv, tarantino, etc images probably like the attention (check out bt's take on the phone box) and let's face it, if you're prepared to go out and spend (presumably a lot of) time graffitiing the side of a building you probably don't care too much about someone bringing a claim against you for breach of copyright
As for your own work, i'm not sure whether you mean copying banksy's work or just doing something similar. If you want to rip off banksy you'll be absolutely fine cos there's no copyright over anonymous or pseudonymous works but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're going to bring something (almost) original to the table, in which case i would say go for it. And if it all goes tits, i'll reprazent you.
On the face of it parodies etc that (by necessity) copy a substantial part of the original author's work will infringe the author's copyright however there is a defence of 'fair dealing' which allows you to copy parts of the work for criticism or review, which may well cover a lot of what banksy et al do.
On a more practical note - who is going to bring a claim against you? I suppose disney and maccy d's might for napalm but whoever owns the copyright for the hmv, tarantino, etc images probably like the attention (check out bt's take on the phone box) and let's face it, if you're prepared to go out and spend (presumably a lot of) time graffitiing the side of a building you probably don't care too much about someone bringing a claim against you for breach of copyright
As for your own work, i'm not sure whether you mean copying banksy's work or just doing something similar. If you want to rip off banksy you'll be absolutely fine cos there's no copyright over anonymous or pseudonymous works but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're going to bring something (almost) original to the table, in which case i would say go for it. And if it all goes tits, i'll reprazent you.
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legal question about Bankys topics, by KaL976 on Nov 2, 2006 0:22:49 GMT 1, google is your friend... jimmy cauty website... www.cnpdonline.com/ 
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legal question about Bankys topics, by HowAboutNo on Nov 2, 2006 0:32:56 GMT 1, As for your own work, i'm not sure whether you mean copying banksy's work or just doing something similar. If you want to rip off banksy you'll be absolutely fine cos there's no copyright over anonymous or pseudonymous works
That really doesnt make it "absolutely fine" for this bloke to bang out granny repros if he's fanices it though does it?  (if that is is even what he is hinting at??) And pedro, if what you say is true about legality because Banksy remains anonymous is one thing, If its a straight copy thats being done then surely POW hold copyright of that image anyway? And as fans, we wouldnt like to think bob is printing them off in his tool shed and making a ludicrous profit passing them off as the real thing (which I am sure is only a matter of time anyway until we are flooded with high quality reproductions on a grand scale).
I could be wrong, but let us know a bit more about your intentions crazyjake and we'll see where it goes!
As for your own work, i'm not sure whether you mean copying banksy's work or just doing something similar. If you want to rip off banksy you'll be absolutely fine cos there's no copyright over anonymous or pseudonymous works That really doesnt make it "absolutely fine" for this bloke to bang out granny repros if he's fanices it though does it? (if that is is even what he is hinting at??) And pedro, if what you say is true about legality because Banksy remains anonymous is one thing, If its a straight copy thats being done then surely POW hold copyright of that image anyway? And as fans, we wouldnt like to think bob is printing them off in his tool shed and making a ludicrous profit passing them off as the real thing (which I am sure is only a matter of time anyway until we are flooded with high quality reproductions on a grand scale). I could be wrong, but let us know a bit more about your intentions crazyjake and we'll see where it goes! |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by pedro on Nov 2, 2006 0:51:47 GMT 1, yeah, i meant absolutely fine as in not getting sued. i obviously didn't make myself clear (i've just got in from the pub - otherwise i wouldn't be chatting legal shit) but it kind of goes without saying that he should be doing original stuff
you're right what you're saying about it only being a matter of time though
yeah, i meant absolutely fine as in not getting sued. i obviously didn't make myself clear (i've just got in from the pub - otherwise i wouldn't be chatting legal shit) but it kind of goes without saying that he should be doing original stuff
you're right what you're saying about it only being a matter of time though
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legal question about Bankys topics, by mido on Nov 2, 2006 1:57:17 GMT 1, I love Jimmy but wouldn't use anything on his site in a court of law ;D 
I would imagine that if banksy (or anyone else) cuts a stencil, even if based on a photo etc that isn't his, then that is his artwork and therefore infringes no copyright...
It is of course morally dubious, but then again so is much in life.
check out www.cnpdonline.com. Cauty has written enough about copyright and the rights of an artist, there's plenty to chew on there. ;D
I love Jimmy but wouldn't use anything on his site in a court of law ;D I would imagine that if banksy (or anyone else) cuts a stencil, even if based on a photo etc that isn't his, then that is his artwork and therefore infringes no copyright... It is of course morally dubious, but then again so is much in life. check out www.cnpdonline.com. Cauty has written enough about copyright and the rights of an artist, there's plenty to chew on there. ;D |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by HowAboutNo on Nov 2, 2006 2:12:31 GMT 1, I would imagine that if banksy (or anyone else) cuts a stencil, even if based on a photo etc that isn't his, then that is his artwork and therefore infringes no copyright... check out www.cnpdonline.com. Cauty has written enough about copyright and the rights of an artist, there's plenty to chew on there. ;D
But a whole different thing if he is scanning a lifesize repro of Grannies (for instance), cutting exact size screens, printing it on the same, or similar stock, buying a stamp etc. Surely copyright comes into play, just at what point is over my tiny head! And I work in print and deal mainly with publications.....oops 
All art/every image borrows from something done/existed previous if you look hard enough anyways.
I would imagine that if banksy (or anyone else) cuts a stencil, even if based on a photo etc that isn't his, then that is his artwork and therefore infringes no copyright... check out www.cnpdonline.com. Cauty has written enough about copyright and the rights of an artist, there's plenty to chew on there. ;D But a whole different thing if he is scanning a lifesize repro of Grannies (for instance), cutting exact size screens, printing it on the same, or similar stock, buying a stamp etc. Surely copyright comes into play, just at what point is over my tiny head! And I work in print and deal mainly with publications.....oops All art/every image borrows from something done/existed previous if you look hard enough anyways. |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Nov 2, 2006 3:17:07 GMT 1, thanks for the input, but now I NEED TO CLARIFY my intentions. I in no way want to copy or duplicate anyones artwork. I grew up with parents who were art teachers, my sisters a art teacher, and Im in graphic design. Im in the United States. I want to use political images (ie the President, armed forces imagery, etc) and some other images. I would like to take images from the news or magazines and incorporate them into my artwork (like Banksy has done).
I DO NOT WANT TO COPY ANYTHING LIKE GRANNIES. If you want my honest opinion, I think 60% of Banskys work is very good. 10% is very boring, 10% is mimic and 20% is pure genius. Its the 20% that will hopefully allow him to continue on a upward trend. Ive been following him a while now, and I hope his success doesnt goes to his head, but instead goes to his soul. Hes good very graphic ways in telling his stories. His images are simplistic but the meanings are complex. I applaud him!
So, now that Ive hopefully cleared my intentions, can you guys still help me?
thanks for the input, but now I NEED TO CLARIFY my intentions. I in no way want to copy or duplicate anyones artwork. I grew up with parents who were art teachers, my sisters a art teacher, and Im in graphic design. Im in the United States. I want to use political images (ie the President, armed forces imagery, etc) and some other images. I would like to take images from the news or magazines and incorporate them into my artwork (like Banksy has done). I DO NOT WANT TO COPY ANYTHING LIKE GRANNIES. If you want my honest opinion, I think 60% of Banskys work is very good. 10% is very boring, 10% is mimic and 20% is pure genius. Its the 20% that will hopefully allow him to continue on a upward trend. Ive been following him a while now, and I hope his success doesnt goes to his head, but instead goes to his soul. Hes good very graphic ways in telling his stories. His images are simplistic but the meanings are complex. I applaud him! So, now that Ive hopefully cleared my intentions, can you guys still help me? |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by numusic on Nov 2, 2006 8:47:38 GMT 1, any other help is greatly appreciated. thanks
it's art, do what you like, use anything for inspiration, be a bit difficult for collage to exist without stealing.
Remember : good artists borrow. great artists steal ;D ;D
any other help is greatly appreciated. thanks it's art, do what you like, use anything for inspiration, be a bit difficult for collage to exist without stealing. Remember : good artists borrow. great artists steal ;D ;D |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by pjotr101 on Nov 2, 2006 20:16:29 GMT 1, From www.picturesonwalls.com/terms.html :
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Images used on this website are reproduced with the express permission of the relevant artist. Copyright is retained by the artists and must not be reproduced without the express written permission of the artist or Picturesonwalls Ltd. Any unauthorised reproduction will result in legal proceedings."
From www.picturesonwalls.com/terms.html : "Copyright. Images used on this website are reproduced with the express permission of the relevant artist. Copyright is retained by the artists and must not be reproduced without the express written permission of the artist or Picturesonwalls Ltd. Any unauthorised reproduction will result in legal proceedings." |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by ces53 on Jan 28, 2009 21:38:11 GMT 1, any other help is greatly appreciated. thanks it's art, do what you like, use anything for inspiration, be a bit difficult for collage to exist without stealing. Remember : good artists borrow. great artists steal ;D ;D
All right good tip,thanx.
any other help is greatly appreciated. thanks it's art, do what you like, use anything for inspiration, be a bit difficult for collage to exist without stealing. Remember : good artists borrow. great artists steal ;D ;D All right good tip,thanx. |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by junkieart on Jan 28, 2009 22:53:35 GMT 1, What you up to CES? Love your graf, why bother pushing on here, just interested to know?
Take it easy JA
What you up to CES? Love your graf, why bother pushing on here, just interested to know?
Take it easy JA
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legal question about Bankys topics, by digitalroach on Jan 29, 2009 12:44:41 GMT 1, good artists steal.great artists get the own style and do it agian and agian.
good artists steal.great artists get the own style and do it agian and agian.
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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Jan 29, 2009 14:54:49 GMT 1, what I want to know, is how did you find a thread thats over two years old. 
what I want to know, is how did you find a thread thats over two years old. |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by ces53 on Jan 29, 2009 17:42:29 GMT 1, What you up to CES? Love your graf, why bother pushing on here, just interested to know? Take it easy JA
Yo JA, nothing special I was curious to see if the page really would turn up back on the front page,even if it is 2 years old,I had no clue about forums in general,so I am learning how it works.
There is interresting information in some of the old threats.
OK All the best CC rider
What you up to CES? Love your graf, why bother pushing on here, just interested to know? Take it easy JA Yo JA, nothing special I was curious to see if the page really would turn up back on the front page,even if it is 2 years old,I had no clue about forums in general,so I am learning how it works. There is interresting information in some of the old threats. OK All the best CC rider |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by ces53 on Jan 29, 2009 17:44:18 GMT 1, what I want to know, is how did you find a thread thats over two years old.
Hey Mad Jake,go to page 212 and there it all is,the good old stuff.
Cheers C
what I want to know, is how did you find a thread thats over two years old. Hey Mad Jake,go to page 212 and there it all is,the good old stuff. Cheers C |
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legal question about Bankys topics, by Michael Jacob on Jan 29, 2009 19:08:32 GMT 1, C
youve got some time to kill and tons of patience. My ADD sets in by page 2, let alone 212! 
C youve got some time to kill and tons of patience. My ADD sets in by page 2, let alone 212! |
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(if that is is even what he is hinting at??) And pedro, if what you say is true about legality because Banksy remains anonymous is one thing, If its a straight copy thats being done then surely POW hold copyright of that image anyway? And as fans, we wouldnt like to think bob is printing them off in his tool shed and making a ludicrous profit passing them off as the real thing (which I am sure is only a matter of time anyway until we are flooded with high quality reproductions on a grand scale). 
