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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2008 10:00:49 GMT 1, recently I received a damaged print from one of the beloved forum members. It is Mode 2 - black gold of the sun, a print I was looking for for ages.. When I saw it was damaged I thought: grmbl, frame it anyway.. when I was at framers with my print I started to doubt.. is it worth to frame this? I know it will keep annoying me forever.. it isn't that big:
does anyone know if it is possible to fix a minor damage like this? and how to do it? or where?
otherwise I will probably try to sell/trade it.. but NOT without mentioning the damage!
recently I received a damaged print from one of the beloved forum members. It is Mode 2 - black gold of the sun, a print I was looking for for ages.. When I saw it was damaged I thought: grmbl, frame it anyway.. when I was at framers with my print I started to doubt.. is it worth to frame this? I know it will keep annoying me forever.. it isn't that big: does anyone know if it is possible to fix a minor damage like this? and how to do it? or where? otherwise I will probably try to sell/trade it.. but NOT without mentioning the damage!
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weeble
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by weeble on Dec 14, 2008 10:05:04 GMT 1, Hmmm, still well worth framing imo. It's the image that will bring you pleasure, not that white border. Don't worry about it, get it on the walls! No idea how to get creases out of prints, was hoping to do the same thing with one of mine. My signed Banksy Weston Super Mare has a crease in the white border, no idea how to remove it, if someone knows how to remove creases, I'd probably get it done, but in the meantime it doesn't really bother me too much so it stays in the frame.
Hmmm, still well worth framing imo. It's the image that will bring you pleasure, not that white border. Don't worry about it, get it on the walls! No idea how to get creases out of prints, was hoping to do the same thing with one of mine. My signed Banksy Weston Super Mare has a crease in the white border, no idea how to remove it, if someone knows how to remove creases, I'd probably get it done, but in the meantime it doesn't really bother me too much so it stays in the frame.
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Run Pig Run
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Run Pig Run on Dec 14, 2008 10:06:46 GMT 1, try and sell it without mentioning the damage???
you idiot
try and sell it without mentioning the damage???
you idiot
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Run Pig Run
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Run Pig Run on Dec 14, 2008 10:07:14 GMT 1, the print is very ugly anyway. bin it.
the print is very ugly anyway. bin it.
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weeble
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by weeble on Dec 14, 2008 10:07:34 GMT 1, otherwise I will probably try to sell/trade it.. but without mentioning the damage!
um, not sure you should do that though! note to self: never buy anything from Jopkop....
otherwise I will probably try to sell/trade it.. but without mentioning the damage! um, not sure you should do that though! note to self: never buy anything from Jopkop....
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2008 10:15:02 GMT 1, try and sell it without mentioning the damage??? you idiot
stupid me.. that misses an essential NOT.. edited
try and sell it without mentioning the damage??? you idiot stupid me.. that misses an essential NOT.. edited
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Guest on Dec 14, 2008 10:16:09 GMT 1, cut off the border? or put the print in a trouser press. ;D
or maybe the best advice is a print restorer.
EDIT. I seem to remember that Mrframeman has someone he use's for print restoration, try sending him a P.M
cut off the border? or put the print in a trouser press. ;D
or maybe the best advice is a print restorer.
EDIT. I seem to remember that Mrframeman has someone he use's for print restoration, try sending him a P.M
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ยฉhief'
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by ยฉhief' on Dec 14, 2008 10:18:58 GMT 1, If it's creases it may be fixable. I've recently taken a creased print to a restorer. It will be floated on water and then dried in a press between acid free paper for 10 - 12 days with the paper changed daily- ยฃ40 all in.
If it's the top layer of paper that's come off, then I'm not sure, but if it is fixable I'd imagine it to be quite an expensive process.
If it's creases it may be fixable. I've recently taken a creased print to a restorer. It will be floated on water and then dried in a press between acid free paper for 10 - 12 days with the paper changed daily- ยฃ40 all in.
If it's the top layer of paper that's come off, then I'm not sure, but if it is fixable I'd imagine it to be quite an expensive process.
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by f5ers on Dec 14, 2008 10:53:25 GMT 1, Iron it!!. Put iron on lowest heat (non steam), put craft or brown paper beneath and on top of the print and pretend the white border is a collar... it sounds scary but it will help. Just don't leave the iron on there too long, don't steam the print. Im not joking as i ve bought damaged prints before, ironed them and framed em up
Iron it!!. Put iron on lowest heat (non steam), put craft or brown paper beneath and on top of the print and pretend the white border is a collar... it sounds scary but it will help. Just don't leave the iron on there too long, don't steam the print. Im not joking as i ve bought damaged prints before, ironed them and framed em up
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by hero on Dec 14, 2008 10:55:04 GMT 1, just put a mount that covers it on
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just put a mount that covers it on H
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2008 11:06:13 GMT 1, Iron it!!. Put iron on lowest heat (non steam), put craft or brown paper beneath and on top of the print and pretend the white border is a collar... it sounds scary but it will help. Just don't leave the iron on there too long, don't steam the print. Im not joking as i ve bought damaged prints before, ironed them and framed em up
it sounds a bit scary yes.. but I will try it I think..
I was planning to send it to gary anyway so maybe he will have some tips for me too thanks guys!
Iron it!!. Put iron on lowest heat (non steam), put craft or brown paper beneath and on top of the print and pretend the white border is a collar... it sounds scary but it will help. Just don't leave the iron on there too long, don't steam the print. Im not joking as i ve bought damaged prints before, ironed them and framed em up it sounds a bit scary yes.. but I will try it I think.. I was planning to send it to gary anyway so maybe he will have some tips for me too thanks guys!
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neale
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by neale on Dec 14, 2008 11:55:11 GMT 1, Maybe get the framer to trim the white border down a bit so its not so noticable, a bit drastic, but the value is already effected by the existing damage, and if it helps you enjoy the print more then its a result
Maybe get the framer to trim the white border down a bit so its not so noticable, a bit drastic, but the value is already effected by the existing damage, and if it helps you enjoy the print more then its a result
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by stillborncrisps on Dec 14, 2008 12:17:20 GMT 1, Depends what the print's worth I suppose... I'd be apprehensive about DIYing it with an iron.
Someone on here recommended this paper restorer called Graham Bignell in Coronet Street, Hoxton. Didn't end up using him in the end but he sounded very knowledgeable and friendly when I called. Could probably sort it for 40-50 quid. His details are here:
www.conservationregister.com/WorkshopID.asp?Workshop=76
Depends what the print's worth I suppose... I'd be apprehensive about DIYing it with an iron. Someone on here recommended this paper restorer called Graham Bignell in Coronet Street, Hoxton. Didn't end up using him in the end but he sounded very knowledgeable and friendly when I called. Could probably sort it for 40-50 quid. His details are here: www.conservationregister.com/WorkshopID.asp?Workshop=76
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by onemandown72 on Dec 14, 2008 12:46:21 GMT 1, It looks like pretty serious water damage, not creases from the pic. In which case if you love the print, take to a good restorer and they will be able to tell you what can be done.
It looks like pretty serious water damage, not creases from the pic. In which case if you love the print, take to a good restorer and they will be able to tell you what can be done.
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2008 12:57:02 GMT 1, just put a mount that covers it on H
this is the best advice on here. i used to get pissed off when prints used to arrive damaged. but it happens so often i got used to it. just use a mount to cover the damage. or if you really want to float it and seeing the damage will do you nut in then get in touch with a restorer. for minor creases i always iron a print, but this doesnt look like a crease to me, although the pics arent great. so get intouch with MR Frameman and get the number of the restorer( if you dont want to mount the print).
just put a mount that covers it on H this is the best advice on here. i used to get pissed off when prints used to arrive damaged. but it happens so often i got used to it. just use a mount to cover the damage. or if you really want to float it and seeing the damage will do you nut in then get in touch with a restorer. for minor creases i always iron a print, but this doesnt look like a crease to me, although the pics arent great. so get intouch with MR Frameman and get the number of the restorer( if you dont want to mount the print).
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by melmoth on Dec 14, 2008 15:02:20 GMT 1, I don't think that that looks like a crease, but rather that the top layer of paper has come off, and scuffed it in the process. It looks pretty small though, unless that's your knee in the photo
Unless you're planning on selling it soon, I would be tempted to frame it out with the mat covering the damage. The only problem comes if the border we're looking at is the one with the signature on it.
I don't think that that looks like a crease, but rather that the top layer of paper has come off, and scuffed it in the process. It looks pretty small though, unless that's your knee in the photo Unless you're planning on selling it soon, I would be tempted to frame it out with the mat covering the damage. The only problem comes if the border we're looking at is the one with the signature on it.
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2008 15:05:44 GMT 1, I think you are right melmoth.. it is on the topsite and the same problem on the left site of the border.. I think a smart frame can do something yes.. but I will see if I can get it restored. signature can still be shown, just as the beautiful pow stamp :S
I think you are right melmoth.. it is on the topsite and the same problem on the left site of the border.. I think a smart frame can do something yes.. but I will see if I can get it restored. signature can still be shown, just as the beautiful pow stamp :S
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by ilikekittens on Dec 14, 2008 17:20:21 GMT 1, It looks like it's got wet and someone's tried to dry it rolling the top layer off as said before. Can't tell if the paper is matt or shiney. I don't think that you can do much about it - but - I remember something similar happening at college and there was a utensil made from extremely (glass) smooth slightly rounded bone, similar to a old fashioned knife handle - (which worked for me at a later date) which you rub over lightly in tiny circles from the outside in - you'd have to be careful it doesn't create a shine if the paper is matt. You'd also have to make sure you unravelled any rolled edges as much as possible too to make it as flat as possible before . It would be best to re-create the problem on another piece of similar paper and try that first.
It looks like it's got wet and someone's tried to dry it rolling the top layer off as said before. Can't tell if the paper is matt or shiney. I don't think that you can do much about it - but - I remember something similar happening at college and there was a utensil made from extremely (glass) smooth slightly rounded bone, similar to a old fashioned knife handle - (which worked for me at a later date) which you rub over lightly in tiny circles from the outside in - you'd have to be careful it doesn't create a shine if the paper is matt. You'd also have to make sure you unravelled any rolled edges as much as possible too to make it as flat as possible before . It would be best to re-create the problem on another piece of similar paper and try that first.
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simpo
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by simpo on Dec 14, 2008 20:02:22 GMT 1, Wouldn't get rid of a print you love just because the border is damaged - re-framing in a new mount seems the most sensible option if it looks like it can't be salvaged.
Whilst we're on the subject - anyone seen the damaged flags print on ebay at the mo? Quite tempted as I could never afford it normally and love this particular piece, image it's beyond help though as they've stuck it to card(!)
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260328784808
Wouldn't get rid of a print you love just because the border is damaged - re-framing in a new mount seems the most sensible option if it looks like it can't be salvaged. Whilst we're on the subject - anyone seen the damaged flags print on ebay at the mo? Quite tempted as I could never afford it normally and love this particular piece, image it's beyond help though as they've stuck it to card(!) cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260328784808
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by melmoth on Dec 14, 2008 20:14:34 GMT 1, Wouldn't get rid of a print you love just because the border is damaged - re-framing in a new mount seems the most sensible option if it looks like it can't be salvaged. Whilst we're on the subject - anyone seen the damaged flags print on ebay at the mo? Quite tempted as I could never afford it normally and love this particular piece, image it's beyond help though as they've stuck it to card(!) cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260328784808
Drymounting (badly) a print seems to trump any edge damage, especially if you can frame the latter out.
Wouldn't get rid of a print you love just because the border is damaged - re-framing in a new mount seems the most sensible option if it looks like it can't be salvaged. Whilst we're on the subject - anyone seen the damaged flags print on ebay at the mo? Quite tempted as I could never afford it normally and love this particular piece, image it's beyond help though as they've stuck it to card(!) cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260328784808Drymounting (badly) a print seems to trump any edge damage, especially if you can frame the latter out.
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Existencil
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Existencil on Dec 14, 2008 20:45:43 GMT 1, Did the person you got this from tell you it was damaged?
If not, I would suggest sending it straight back to them...
Did the person you got this from tell you it was damaged?
If not, I would suggest sending it straight back to them...
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by raiden on Dec 15, 2008 0:57:36 GMT 1, I don't have all the background details on this one - so this suggestion can be of no help at all... but is it a recent edition? Like last 2-3 months? If so, first thing you should do is try contacting the artist and telling them what happened. Even if its your fault, its standard practice to overprint with printers proofs and what not - some (or all) of which then become APs, and some get destroyed.
There is a possibility the artist will replace it for by just resigning and numbering it and swapping it out for one of these proofs. Obviously, its slightly frowned upon if the print damage was your fault and not the fault of shipping - but I've known artists to take pitty on collectors and do them this favor as its not like they are increasing the edition number.
I have known artists to hold onto unsigned, unnumbered overruns for years - though its expected that any prints outside of the official edition and APs of record, and possibly signed Printers Proofs of record will be disposed of after a certain amount of time.
As for the actual damage... What was the damage caused by?
Also, curious as to what print it is or what artist? Considering the cost of a professional print restorer, you may just want to buy a new one - especially given the rapidly imploding market for prints.
I don't have all the background details on this one - so this suggestion can be of no help at all... but is it a recent edition? Like last 2-3 months? If so, first thing you should do is try contacting the artist and telling them what happened. Even if its your fault, its standard practice to overprint with printers proofs and what not - some (or all) of which then become APs, and some get destroyed.
There is a possibility the artist will replace it for by just resigning and numbering it and swapping it out for one of these proofs. Obviously, its slightly frowned upon if the print damage was your fault and not the fault of shipping - but I've known artists to take pitty on collectors and do them this favor as its not like they are increasing the edition number.
I have known artists to hold onto unsigned, unnumbered overruns for years - though its expected that any prints outside of the official edition and APs of record, and possibly signed Printers Proofs of record will be disposed of after a certain amount of time.
As for the actual damage... What was the damage caused by?
Also, curious as to what print it is or what artist? Considering the cost of a professional print restorer, you may just want to buy a new one - especially given the rapidly imploding market for prints.
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 16, 2008 0:06:37 GMT 1, ok,. some interesting stuff here..
first: the buyer promised me the print was in perfect condition but he couldn't provide any pictures bec. it was in another house or so.. (normally I wouldn't buy it, but the person was a 'trusted forum member'.. made that fault once and will not happen to me again). Also: this was part of a swap deal, the piece he got was something I didn't like that much anymore and he appeared to be very happy with the piece (it was sold one week later on the bay).
The print is mode 2 - black gold of the sun. I think I will be able to contact mode 2, have his mail somewhere.. thanks for that tip Raiden! Will let you know what happend with it!
and for all the rest: thanks for all the advise! Will try to fix a nice frame if nothing works with the artist.. cheers for all the help!
ok,. some interesting stuff here..
first: the buyer promised me the print was in perfect condition but he couldn't provide any pictures bec. it was in another house or so.. (normally I wouldn't buy it, but the person was a 'trusted forum member'.. made that fault once and will not happen to me again). Also: this was part of a swap deal, the piece he got was something I didn't like that much anymore and he appeared to be very happy with the piece (it was sold one week later on the bay).
The print is mode 2 - black gold of the sun. I think I will be able to contact mode 2, have his mail somewhere.. thanks for that tip Raiden! Will let you know what happend with it!
and for all the rest: thanks for all the advise! Will try to fix a nice frame if nothing works with the artist.. cheers for all the help!
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by rosstierney on Dec 16, 2008 5:32:20 GMT 1, name & shame jopkop
name & shame jopkop
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damaged print.. any ideas?, by Deleted on Dec 16, 2008 19:15:18 GMT 1, glad it is no one out of your list of members you can vouch for.. the person who did this knows it, and that should be enough..
glad it is no one out of your list of members you can vouch for.. the person who did this knows it, and that should be enough..
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