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bnp membership list, by rosstierney on Nov 24, 2008 21:40:31 GMT 1, there were also protests outside the stations where police requested that all protesters refrain from displaying the british, english & welsh flags as it could cause offence to any ethnic groups living in the area
i hate politics & political parties, whether it be the british national party, the conservatives, labour or the liberal democrats but these events are shocking
there were also protests outside the stations where police requested that all protesters refrain from displaying the british, english & welsh flags as it could cause offence to any ethnic groups living in the area
i hate politics & political parties, whether it be the british national party, the conservatives, labour or the liberal democrats but these events are shocking
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bnp membership list, by hero on Nov 24, 2008 21:46:22 GMT 1, I can't open the list, but would be interested in it, any help would be appreciated. As for my own opinion, I wouldn't want anyone teaching my kids who had such narrow minded views.
Im not promoting nor am i saying i have this software...but im guessing you dont have (Removed) software
Vuze is pretty good-drag the file into it and it should download it..will take a while because its a (Removed)(lots of bits of the file stored all around the world in little bits!)
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I can't open the list, but would be interested in it, any help would be appreciated. As for my own opinion, I wouldn't want anyone teaching my kids who had such narrow minded views. Im not promoting nor am i saying i have this software...but im guessing you dont have (Removed) software Vuze is pretty good-drag the file into it and it should download it..will take a while because its a (Removed)(lots of bits of the file stored all around the world in little bits!) H
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bnp membership list, by hick on Nov 24, 2008 21:48:31 GMT 1, I can't open the list, but would be interested in it, any help would be appreciated. As for my own opinion, I wouldn't want anyone teaching my kids who had such narrow minded views. Im not promoting nor am i saying i have this software...but im guessing you dont have (Removed) software Vuze is pretty good-drag the file into it and it should download it..will take a while because its a (Removed)(lots of bits of the file stored all around the world in little bits!) H
i put it on my blog there are liks over at the aucsab forum for this list too
I can't open the list, but would be interested in it, any help would be appreciated. As for my own opinion, I wouldn't want anyone teaching my kids who had such narrow minded views. Im not promoting nor am i saying i have this software...but im guessing you dont have (Removed) software Vuze is pretty good-drag the file into it and it should download it..will take a while because its a (Removed)(lots of bits of the file stored all around the world in little bits!) H i put it on my blog there are liks over at the aucsab forum for this list too
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curiousgeorge
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bnp membership list, by curiousgeorge on Nov 24, 2008 21:48:43 GMT 1, *Removed as per request*
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bnp membership list, by rosstierney on Nov 24, 2008 22:05:21 GMT 1, that's not very intelligent is it cg? never mind your extremely stereotypical comment
i request you remove that link considering a 76 year old woman who lives in the next road to me has been attacked since the list was leaked
that's not very intelligent is it cg? never mind your extremely stereotypical comment
i request you remove that link considering a 76 year old woman who lives in the next road to me has been attacked since the list was leaked
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aginghippie
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bnp membership list, by aginghippie on Nov 24, 2008 23:10:46 GMT 1, i request you remove that link considering a 76 year old woman who lives in the next road to me has been attacked since the list was leaked
I think that ship has sailed. There are at least two high profile sites who specialise in distributing files the authorities would rather weren't released who have it for download. To the poster who said there was only one woman; there are a lot more.
I had the file but I since deleted it because I felt uneasy about this. I spent a large chunk of my youth demonstrating against the NF but we never went hunting for people who didn't advertise they were NF. It's not illegal to be in the BNP and if you aren't campaigning then should people be hunting you down? I feel very uncomfortable with that. I disagree with their views but I don't think putting their windows through is an acceptable solution.
i request you remove that link considering a 76 year old woman who lives in the next road to me has been attacked since the list was leaked I think that ship has sailed. There are at least two high profile sites who specialise in distributing files the authorities would rather weren't released who have it for download. To the poster who said there was only one woman; there are a lot more. I had the file but I since deleted it because I felt uneasy about this. I spent a large chunk of my youth demonstrating against the NF but we never went hunting for people who didn't advertise they were NF. It's not illegal to be in the BNP and if you aren't campaigning then should people be hunting you down? I feel very uncomfortable with that. I disagree with their views but I don't think putting their windows through is an acceptable solution.
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 24, 2008 23:21:34 GMT 1, I agree with you
I agree with you
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bnp membership list, by rosstierney on Nov 25, 2008 1:29:21 GMT 1, i understand that aginghippie but the link that was posted felt like a game, enter you're postcode to locate your local target. not cool.
i understand that aginghippie but the link that was posted felt like a game, enter you're postcode to locate your local target. not cool.
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aginghippie
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bnp membership list, by aginghippie on Nov 25, 2008 2:10:29 GMT 1, i understand that aginghippie but the link that was posted felt like a game, enter you're postcode to locate your local target. not cool. I'm not arguing with that and it's why I deleted my copy. Having got it I found I would rather not know.
i understand that aginghippie but the link that was posted felt like a game, enter you're postcode to locate your local target. not cool. I'm not arguing with that and it's why I deleted my copy. Having got it I found I would rather not know.
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bnp membership list, by Deleted on Nov 25, 2008 8:41:40 GMT 1, I'm guessing that all who argue their (the members listed) rights as humans are those with '2 up, 2 down', Mr & Mrs Jones with 2 kids, a car and a washing machine and probably start their opinions on such subject matter by saying "I'm not Racist BUT....". These people promote and stand by the eradication of those of other Creed, Colour, Religion and Sexuallity. Making their details public is illegal, but so is racism and homophobia.
f**k em, I say, they deserve all they get. They aint the only ones with 'Freedom of Speech' and just as some of their party members act on their 'Values', some will act on the publication of this new found knowledge!!!
To act on 'HATE' is a crime, but is also a two way street!!!!
I'm guessing that all who argue their (the members listed) rights as humans are those with '2 up, 2 down', Mr & Mrs Jones with 2 kids, a car and a washing machine and probably start their opinions on such subject matter by saying "I'm not Racist BUT....". These people promote and stand by the eradication of those of other Creed, Colour, Religion and Sexuallity. Making their details public is illegal, but so is racism and homophobia.
f**k em, I say, they deserve all they get. They aint the only ones with 'Freedom of Speech' and just as some of their party members act on their 'Values', some will act on the publication of this new found knowledge!!!
To act on 'HATE' is a crime, but is also a two way street!!!!
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curiousgeorge
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bnp membership list, by curiousgeorge on Nov 25, 2008 8:49:06 GMT 1, i understand that aginghippie but the link that was posted felt like a game, enter you're postcode to locate your local target. not cool.
What about all the people they have made targets over the years??
Oh wait that's different
i understand that aginghippie but the link that was posted felt like a game, enter you're postcode to locate your local target. not cool. What about all the people they have made targets over the years?? Oh wait that's different
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bnp membership list, by Tower Art Gallery on Nov 25, 2008 10:38:45 GMT 1, Vigo’s StatementI have always been fascinated by the skinhead culture of Britain. It is equally repulsive as it is intriguing, much like most of my art. I was excited when I found these images and knew straight away that it was what I needed for the project with 100Artworks. I take great pride in destroying racist graffiti. Whether it be my tag over a National Front or Swastika sign in the street or just a line through some BNP of NF sticker, I love f**king it up! A nice big finger up at these faceless whores who hide behind the tough man image of the 80’s.Click below to see movie... uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsIb_BSctAClick below for more info... www.100artworks.com/catalog/vigo-m-38.html
Vigo’s StatementI have always been fascinated by the skinhead culture of Britain. It is equally repulsive as it is intriguing, much like most of my art. I was excited when I found these images and knew straight away that it was what I needed for the project with 100Artworks. I take great pride in destroying racist graffiti. Whether it be my tag over a National Front or Swastika sign in the street or just a line through some BNP of NF sticker, I love f**king it up! A nice big finger up at these faceless whores who hide behind the tough man image of the 80’s.Click below to see movie... uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsIb_BSctAClick below for more info... www.100artworks.com/catalog/vigo-m-38.html
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bnp membership list, by skylarkin on Nov 25, 2008 10:44:31 GMT 1, Vigo’s StatementI have always been fascinated by the skinhead culture of Britain. It is equally repulsive as it is intriguing, much like most of my art. I was excited when I found these images and knew straight away that it was what I needed for the project with 100Artworks. I take great pride in destroying racist graffiti. Whether it be my tag over a National Front or Swastika sign in the street or just a line through some BNP of NF sticker, I love f**king it up! A nice big finger up at these faceless whores who hide behind the tough man image of the 80’s.Click below to see movie... uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsIb_BSctAClick below for more info... www.100artworks.com/catalog/vigo-m-38.html
Got to love this forum, even with semi serious discussion somebody is trying to see an angle to sell something.
Vigo’s StatementI have always been fascinated by the skinhead culture of Britain. It is equally repulsive as it is intriguing, much like most of my art. I was excited when I found these images and knew straight away that it was what I needed for the project with 100Artworks. I take great pride in destroying racist graffiti. Whether it be my tag over a National Front or Swastika sign in the street or just a line through some BNP of NF sticker, I love f**king it up! A nice big finger up at these faceless whores who hide behind the tough man image of the 80’s.Click below to see movie... uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsIb_BSctAClick below for more info... www.100artworks.com/catalog/vigo-m-38.html Got to love this forum, even with semi serious discussion somebody is trying to see an angle to sell something.
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bnp membership list, by Tower Art Gallery on Nov 25, 2008 11:09:33 GMT 1, Vigo’s StatementI have always been fascinated by the skinhead culture of Britain. It is equally repulsive as it is intriguing, much like most of my art. I was excited when I found these images and knew straight away that it was what I needed for the project with 100Artworks. I take great pride in destroying racist graffiti. Whether it be my tag over a National Front or Swastika sign in the street or just a line through some BNP of NF sticker, I love f**king it up! A nice big finger up at these faceless whores who hide behind the tough man image of the 80’s.Click below to see movie... uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsIb_BSctAClick below for more info... www.100artworks.com/catalog/vigo-m-38.html Got to love this forum, even with semi serious discussion somebody is trying to see an angle to sell something.
Sorry ;D
Vigo’s StatementI have always been fascinated by the skinhead culture of Britain. It is equally repulsive as it is intriguing, much like most of my art. I was excited when I found these images and knew straight away that it was what I needed for the project with 100Artworks. I take great pride in destroying racist graffiti. Whether it be my tag over a National Front or Swastika sign in the street or just a line through some BNP of NF sticker, I love f**king it up! A nice big finger up at these faceless whores who hide behind the tough man image of the 80’s.Click below to see movie... uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsIb_BSctAClick below for more info... www.100artworks.com/catalog/vigo-m-38.html Got to love this forum, even with semi serious discussion somebody is trying to see an angle to sell something. Sorry ;D
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dmandpenfold
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bnp membership list, by dmandpenfold on Nov 25, 2008 11:52:11 GMT 1, i suspect the reason most BNP members dont stand up and expose themselves, is they dont want to be targeted for physical attacks from other militants like most people with a modicum of sense who are supporters of extreme or radical views. Whether you agree with them or hate them, members of this group are also given the same human rights as the rest of us in this society...
Should we decide which group has more rights than others, should we encourage the very same segregation and division they promote by allowing rights only to those we agree with? If so then we set this country on a difficult path, what happens once the minority groups are segregated, we are then conditioned to accept it and it becomes easier to segregate larger groups along different lines, maybe religion, maybe ethnicity, what happens when it's your group next?
As a famous song and anti fascism poster said if you tolerate this then your children will be next, i know this was a line about the Spanish civil war and Franco fascism, but the sentiment applies to any group that wants to control and dictate what you can and cant believe and approves of violence to oppress others whether by actively promoting it or turning a blind eye when it suits.
i suspect the reason most BNP members dont stand up and expose themselves, is they dont want to be targeted for physical attacks from other militants like most people with a modicum of sense who are supporters of extreme or radical views. Whether you agree with them or hate them, members of this group are also given the same human rights as the rest of us in this society...
Should we decide which group has more rights than others, should we encourage the very same segregation and division they promote by allowing rights only to those we agree with? If so then we set this country on a difficult path, what happens once the minority groups are segregated, we are then conditioned to accept it and it becomes easier to segregate larger groups along different lines, maybe religion, maybe ethnicity, what happens when it's your group next?
As a famous song and anti fascism poster said if you tolerate this then your children will be next, i know this was a line about the Spanish civil war and Franco fascism, but the sentiment applies to any group that wants to control and dictate what you can and cant believe and approves of violence to oppress others whether by actively promoting it or turning a blind eye when it suits.
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Eton Groover
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bnp membership list, by Eton Groover on Nov 25, 2008 15:20:59 GMT 1, i suspect the reason most BNP members dont stand up and expose themselves, is they dont want to be targeted for physical attacks from other militants like most people with a modicum of sense who are supporters of extreme or radical views. Whether you agree with them or hate them, members of this group are also given the same human rights as the rest of us in this society... Should we decide which group has more rights than others, should we encourage the very same segregation and division they promote by allowing rights only to those we agree with? If so then we set this country on a difficult path, what happens once the minority groups are segregated, we are then conditioned to accept it and it becomes easier to segregate larger groups along different lines, maybe religion, maybe ethnicity, what happens when it's your group next? As a famous song and anti fascism poster said if you tolerate this then your children will be next, i know this was a line about the Spanish civil war and Franco fascism, but the sentiment applies to any group that wants to control and dictate what you can and cant believe and approves of violence to oppress others whether by actively promoting it or turning a blind eye when it suits.
There is no regime harsher than a democracy.
i suspect the reason most BNP members dont stand up and expose themselves, is they dont want to be targeted for physical attacks from other militants like most people with a modicum of sense who are supporters of extreme or radical views. Whether you agree with them or hate them, members of this group are also given the same human rights as the rest of us in this society... Should we decide which group has more rights than others, should we encourage the very same segregation and division they promote by allowing rights only to those we agree with? If so then we set this country on a difficult path, what happens once the minority groups are segregated, we are then conditioned to accept it and it becomes easier to segregate larger groups along different lines, maybe religion, maybe ethnicity, what happens when it's your group next? As a famous song and anti fascism poster said if you tolerate this then your children will be next, i know this was a line about the Spanish civil war and Franco fascism, but the sentiment applies to any group that wants to control and dictate what you can and cant believe and approves of violence to oppress others whether by actively promoting it or turning a blind eye when it suits. There is no regime harsher than a democracy.
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bnp membership list, by spirit on Nov 25, 2008 15:42:05 GMT 1, i suspect the reason most BNP members dont stand up and expose themselves, is they dont want to be targeted for physical attacks from other militants like most people with a modicum of sense who are supporters of extreme or radical views. Whether you agree with them or hate them, members of this group are also given the same human rights as the rest of us in this society... Should we decide which group has more rights than others, should we encourage the very same segregation and division they promote by allowing rights only to those we agree with? If so then we set this country on a difficult path, what happens once the minority groups are segregated, we are then conditioned to accept it and it becomes easier to segregate larger groups along different lines, maybe religion, maybe ethnicity, what happens when it's your group next? As a famous song and anti fascism poster said if you tolerate this then your children will be next, i know this was a line about the Spanish civil war and Franco fascism, but the sentiment applies to any group that wants to control and dictate what you can and cant believe and approves of violence to oppress others whether by actively promoting it or turning a blind eye when it suits.
Agreed. very good post.
i suspect the reason most BNP members dont stand up and expose themselves, is they dont want to be targeted for physical attacks from other militants like most people with a modicum of sense who are supporters of extreme or radical views. Whether you agree with them or hate them, members of this group are also given the same human rights as the rest of us in this society... Should we decide which group has more rights than others, should we encourage the very same segregation and division they promote by allowing rights only to those we agree with? If so then we set this country on a difficult path, what happens once the minority groups are segregated, we are then conditioned to accept it and it becomes easier to segregate larger groups along different lines, maybe religion, maybe ethnicity, what happens when it's your group next? As a famous song and anti fascism poster said if you tolerate this then your children will be next, i know this was a line about the Spanish civil war and Franco fascism, but the sentiment applies to any group that wants to control and dictate what you can and cant believe and approves of violence to oppress others whether by actively promoting it or turning a blind eye when it suits. Agreed. very good post.
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 15:59:08 GMT 1, Nick Griffin was actually taken to court, and charged when he called Islam an odious and evil faith. So much for british freedom of speech eh? If he had called christianity and evil faith would he have ended up in court?... of course not... what is going on?
Before anyone jumps to conclusions, let me say I absolutely believe in freedom of speech, equality of women, equality of gays. But if anyone has 30 minutes to spare please watch the following video entitled "The Third Jihad"
I think it may be time for people like me who fervently believe in democracy and liberalism to wake up to what is happening
infidelsarecool.com/2008/11/24/video-the-third-jihad-30-minute-version/
Nick Griffin was actually taken to court, and charged when he called Islam an odious and evil faith. So much for british freedom of speech eh? If he had called christianity and evil faith would he have ended up in court?... of course not... what is going on? Before anyone jumps to conclusions, let me say I absolutely believe in freedom of speech, equality of women, equality of gays. But if anyone has 30 minutes to spare please watch the following video entitled "The Third Jihad" I think it may be time for people like me who fervently believe in democracy and liberalism to wake up to what is happening infidelsarecool.com/2008/11/24/video-the-third-jihad-30-minute-version/
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bnp membership list, by disorganisation on Nov 25, 2008 16:48:55 GMT 1, Nick Griffin was actually taken to court, and charged when he called Islam an odious and evil faith. So much for british freedom of speech eh? If he had called christianity and evil faith would he have ended up in court?... of course not... what is going on? Before anyone jumps to conclusions, let me say I absolutely believe in freedom of speech, equality of women, equality of gays. But if anyone has 30 minutes to spare please watch the following video entitled "The Third Jihad" I think it may be time for people like me who fervently believe in democracy and liberalism to wake up to what is happening infidelsarecool.com/2008/11/24/video-the-third-jihad-30-minute-version/
I believe in freedom of speech, but not the freedom to incite any form hatred, see Germany and Mr Hitler for example he had the freedom to incite hatred that in turn eroded everybody’s freedom. Nick Griffin said it was our duty as White knights to slay the Islamic dragon along with more horribly vile crap. He was unfortunately acquitted so for your argument sake democracy worked didn’t it.
As for the boot on the other foot scenario, hundreds of Muslims have been charged and imprisoned for the crime of inciting hatred, not to mention the new so called terror laws where you don't even need proof or evidence to arrest and detain. so your skewered argument just does not stand up. For example just look at the people who were arrested and charged on the demonstrations in London that caused uproar last year. Also may I add that just like Christians or any other religious followers, Muslims differ from person to person they are all not Jihad maniacs.
Please don’t confuse religion for politics, George Bush and Tony Blair invoked Christianity and God for there war in Iraq but Big Business and geo politics was the primary factor, just like Osama may rally people around the flag of Islam but foreign policy, occupation, war and lack of democracy in the middle east are the primary factors that drive and recruit Jihad.
Regarding the leaking, I do not believe the list should have been leaked as it has given this party too much free publicity that they do not deserve and unlike them I believe in Human rights and equality for all and believe they like anyone else deserve that protection.
All I ask is for people unclear of the BNP, there policies and roll in politics, to do a bit of research and you will find that beneath their new suited appearance lies the old fascist ideology that drives there leadership. This is a front organisation that plays on peoples fears of immigration and terrorism in order to gain power and show their true colours.
www.stopthebnp.org.uk/index.php?location=quotes
Nick Griffin was actually taken to court, and charged when he called Islam an odious and evil faith. So much for british freedom of speech eh? If he had called christianity and evil faith would he have ended up in court?... of course not... what is going on? Before anyone jumps to conclusions, let me say I absolutely believe in freedom of speech, equality of women, equality of gays. But if anyone has 30 minutes to spare please watch the following video entitled "The Third Jihad" I think it may be time for people like me who fervently believe in democracy and liberalism to wake up to what is happening infidelsarecool.com/2008/11/24/video-the-third-jihad-30-minute-version/I believe in freedom of speech, but not the freedom to incite any form hatred, see Germany and Mr Hitler for example he had the freedom to incite hatred that in turn eroded everybody’s freedom. Nick Griffin said it was our duty as White knights to slay the Islamic dragon along with more horribly vile crap. He was unfortunately acquitted so for your argument sake democracy worked didn’t it. As for the boot on the other foot scenario, hundreds of Muslims have been charged and imprisoned for the crime of inciting hatred, not to mention the new so called terror laws where you don't even need proof or evidence to arrest and detain. so your skewered argument just does not stand up. For example just look at the people who were arrested and charged on the demonstrations in London that caused uproar last year. Also may I add that just like Christians or any other religious followers, Muslims differ from person to person they are all not Jihad maniacs. Please don’t confuse religion for politics, George Bush and Tony Blair invoked Christianity and God for there war in Iraq but Big Business and geo politics was the primary factor, just like Osama may rally people around the flag of Islam but foreign policy, occupation, war and lack of democracy in the middle east are the primary factors that drive and recruit Jihad. Regarding the leaking, I do not believe the list should have been leaked as it has given this party too much free publicity that they do not deserve and unlike them I believe in Human rights and equality for all and believe they like anyone else deserve that protection. All I ask is for people unclear of the BNP, there policies and roll in politics, to do a bit of research and you will find that beneath their new suited appearance lies the old fascist ideology that drives there leadership. This is a front organisation that plays on peoples fears of immigration and terrorism in order to gain power and show their true colours. www.stopthebnp.org.uk/index.php?location=quotes
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 17:15:07 GMT 1, Yes democracy and freedom of speech did triumph thank god. I believe i should have the right to say I think Islam is a crap belief system if i want to. Just like you have the right to say you think the BNP is a crap belief system. Saying you think a belief system is odious is not a reason to be arrested and threatened with jail.
And if spreading hate about belief systems should be punishable by imprisonment then 100 artworks comments above should qualify him for a very long strech.
Yes democracy and freedom of speech did triumph thank god. I believe i should have the right to say I think Islam is a crap belief system if i want to. Just like you have the right to say you think the BNP is a crap belief system. Saying you think a belief system is odious is not a reason to be arrested and threatened with jail.
And if spreading hate about belief systems should be punishable by imprisonment then 100 artworks comments above should qualify him for a very long strech.
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 17:17:09 GMT 1, By the way, i am not supporting the BNP i am supporting their right to say they think a particular belief system is crap.
By the way, i am not supporting the BNP i am supporting their right to say they think a particular belief system is crap.
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 17:18:37 GMT 1, ... and if you want to hear about intolerance, watch the video.
... and if you want to hear about intolerance, watch the video.
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 17:21:24 GMT 1, by the way who's fault is it that there is a lack of democracy in the middle east?...
Appart from lebanon and Iraq there is not one Arab democracy... why is that, could it be to do with Islam?
by the way who's fault is it that there is a lack of democracy in the middle east?...
Appart from lebanon and Iraq there is not one Arab democracy... why is that, could it be to do with Islam?
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bnp membership list, by howler on Nov 25, 2008 17:57:07 GMT 1, by the way who's fault is it that there is a lack of democracy in the middle east?... Appart from lebanon and Iraq there is not one Arab democracy... why is that, could it be to do with Islam?
Whos fault, don't know maybe the countries that took it upon themselves to draw up arbitrary boundaries, split up tribal lives going back centuries, create new countries, put their own puppets in power over the disposed, give the natural resources over to their mates for profit. That'll be the "democratic" governments of the west by the way.
Maybe Islamic fundamentalists are intolerant but so are christian fundamentalists, Islam is not an intolerant belief system in it's self quite the opposite and facism is not a belief system it has no spirituality it's a political system.
Can't believe this is a Banksy forum
by the way who's fault is it that there is a lack of democracy in the middle east?... Appart from lebanon and Iraq there is not one Arab democracy... why is that, could it be to do with Islam? Whos fault, don't know maybe the countries that took it upon themselves to draw up arbitrary boundaries, split up tribal lives going back centuries, create new countries, put their own puppets in power over the disposed, give the natural resources over to their mates for profit. That'll be the "democratic" governments of the west by the way. Maybe Islamic fundamentalists are intolerant but so are christian fundamentalists, Islam is not an intolerant belief system in it's self quite the opposite and facism is not a belief system it has no spirituality it's a political system. Can't believe this is a Banksy forum
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 18:07:21 GMT 1, ... ok so you think it's our fault there's no democracy in the middle east... And that there has never been a democracy there ever since the dawn of time... interesting conclusion.
And since you think christian fundamentalists are just as extreem as moslem fundamentalists perhaps you can tell me the countries based on the judeo christian model that condone the following practices: 1. I homosexuals should be hung? 2. adulterous women should be stoned 3. theives should have their limbs cut off “because it is a punishment most befitting to god”? 4. A man can have a divorce just by repeating “I divorce you 3 times”? 5. A woman’s testimony in court is worth only half of a mans? 6 A raped woman needs four men to witness the penetration for her to be legally vindicated
... ok so you think it's our fault there's no democracy in the middle east... And that there has never been a democracy there ever since the dawn of time... interesting conclusion.
And since you think christian fundamentalists are just as extreem as moslem fundamentalists perhaps you can tell me the countries based on the judeo christian model that condone the following practices: 1. I homosexuals should be hung? 2. adulterous women should be stoned 3. theives should have their limbs cut off “because it is a punishment most befitting to god”? 4. A man can have a divorce just by repeating “I divorce you 3 times”? 5. A woman’s testimony in court is worth only half of a mans? 6 A raped woman needs four men to witness the penetration for her to be legally vindicated
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 18:12:22 GMT 1, The above examples are taken from the legal systems of Iran, pakistan, United arab emirates, kuwait, saudi arabia, egypt, morocco, somalia, all under sharia law.
But I suppose you will say that is our fault as well?
The above examples are taken from the legal systems of Iran, pakistan, United arab emirates, kuwait, saudi arabia, egypt, morocco, somalia, all under sharia law.
But I suppose you will say that is our fault as well?
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bnp membership list, by havana07 on Nov 25, 2008 18:34:42 GMT 1, By the way, i am not supporting the BNP i am supporting their right to say they think a particular belief system is crap.
Sure and you are supporting their belief to incite racial hatred. Lovely man you are!
By the way, i am not supporting the BNP i am supporting their right to say they think a particular belief system is crap. Sure and you are supporting their belief to incite racial hatred. Lovely man you are!
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bnp membership list, by disorganisation on Nov 25, 2008 18:47:10 GMT 1, Inciting racial hatred includes: inciting inflammatory rumours about an individual or an ethnic group, for the purpose of spreading racial discontent. I believe under this law Nick Griffin and his co defendant Mark Collet are both guilty of such. I suggest you find the full transcript as it was more than just Islam being wicked and vile. Here is a few of my favourites from co defendant Mark Collett: asylum seekers are "a little bit like cockroaches" he also said this lovely little rhyme "let's show these ethnics the door in 2004."
I don’t care about 100 artworks they are irrelevant I am talking about the BNP and there policy’s. You don’t seem to grasp the fact that this is not just about people saying something is crap, I have no problem with you saying that Islam is crap, (I think saying anything is crap is a pretty weak argument and also religions are incredibly complicated and any discussion or challenge to them deserves more than “there just crap”) but anyway that is not the issue. The issue is that both men over the course of some time up and down the country stoked up hatred of not only Islam, but asylum seekers, non whites and immigrants.
Regarding democracy in the middle east, you show and incredible lack of knowledge of history and politics of the middle east.
The middle east because of its position of sitting on vast quantities of oil has been since the early 1900 a target for industrialised nations like ourselves. All you have to do is look at the borders of the middle east and you will see how straight they are, this is because the countries were all carved up and divided for us and other nations to control.
What does this have to do with democracy I hear you cry? A lot more than “because there all Islamic! Democracy means that the population control there country, meaning they also control there wealth, bit of a hindrance to nations who like control or have fingers meddling in the supply of that wealth.
All you have to do is research the history of the middle east and their country’s and you will see that outside interference has left the middle east awash with tin pot dictators, despots and casino royale sheiks. For example Saddam was our man, sponsored and supported to spend millions on a war with Iran to weaken both countries. In Gulf War 1, the people of Iraq rose up. The rebellion from the Shia and Kurdish community’s took over 14 of Iraq’s major provinces, but George Bush Snr instructed the army to do nothing and one by one the rebellion was crushed, he was quoted as saying Its better the Iron fisted junta you know than a majority Shia government or autonomous Kurdish region adverse to our interest's. The difference obviously with the modern day Iraq war is that America smashed and grabbed Iraq and placed its own puppets in charge, although that didn’t work, and a skewered sort of democracy came about not because of "good ol' western vales" but because the US could not aford to have the majority Shia population on there back aswell as the minority Sunni population. Now you have the Iraq government controlled by the former US labelled terrorist organisation the Dawa party aligned to Iran, how bitter sweet!
Talking of Iran they had a democracy until the British and American governments sponsored the coup that lead to the shah of Iran and his monarchy being savagely placed in power. May I just add that Iran now elects their government in a democratic election thanks to the Iranian revolution, the reformers in Iran were gaining power until they were placed on the Axix of evil, another great George Bush move! Palestine also democratically elected a government when the US pushed for elections but alas they picked the wrong party! The people of the middle east are crying out for democracy but unless the invisible hands that meddle and interfere are severed they will never experience such luxury.
Not long ago Arab nationalism & communism were the main resistance form’s in the middle east and with that ideology came notions of sexual equality etc, the war on Arab nationalism lead to the death of this ideology and the growth in extreme and militant Islam.
All but one of the countries you have listed Dill are seen as clients and friends of the British and American governments, in their eyes these are “good guys”. But we don’t care about their human rights abuses and lack of freedom as long as they serve there purpose. Just read up on Hosni_Mubarak (Egypt dictator), Musharif (former Pakistan dictator) or any of the casino royle sheiks and their relationship to the west, how much money, weapons and lip service they get.
These human right abuses may not directly be our fault, but by propping up and sponsoring dictators and their nasty regimes, whilst at the same time turning a blind eye, we are unable to absolve our self from blame.
My friend you should also have a butchers (excuse the pun) at Uzbekistan (although specifically not the middle east) their dictator Islam Karimov (our new friend in the war of terror) ties people to the tracks of tanks and runs them over and boils people alive in hot oil. The British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murry was forced to resign after being told to keep his mouth shut by then foreign secretary Jack Straw, love a bit of democracy!
P.S.
Arabs are not only Muslim, believe it or not, they can also be Christian and Jewish.
Also may I second howlers notion, “I cant believe this is a Banksy forum!
Inciting racial hatred includes: inciting inflammatory rumours about an individual or an ethnic group, for the purpose of spreading racial discontent. I believe under this law Nick Griffin and his co defendant Mark Collet are both guilty of such. I suggest you find the full transcript as it was more than just Islam being wicked and vile. Here is a few of my favourites from co defendant Mark Collett: asylum seekers are "a little bit like cockroaches" he also said this lovely little rhyme "let's show these ethnics the door in 2004."
I don’t care about 100 artworks they are irrelevant I am talking about the BNP and there policy’s. You don’t seem to grasp the fact that this is not just about people saying something is crap, I have no problem with you saying that Islam is crap, (I think saying anything is crap is a pretty weak argument and also religions are incredibly complicated and any discussion or challenge to them deserves more than “there just crap”) but anyway that is not the issue. The issue is that both men over the course of some time up and down the country stoked up hatred of not only Islam, but asylum seekers, non whites and immigrants.
Regarding democracy in the middle east, you show and incredible lack of knowledge of history and politics of the middle east.
The middle east because of its position of sitting on vast quantities of oil has been since the early 1900 a target for industrialised nations like ourselves. All you have to do is look at the borders of the middle east and you will see how straight they are, this is because the countries were all carved up and divided for us and other nations to control.
What does this have to do with democracy I hear you cry? A lot more than “because there all Islamic! Democracy means that the population control there country, meaning they also control there wealth, bit of a hindrance to nations who like control or have fingers meddling in the supply of that wealth.
All you have to do is research the history of the middle east and their country’s and you will see that outside interference has left the middle east awash with tin pot dictators, despots and casino royale sheiks. For example Saddam was our man, sponsored and supported to spend millions on a war with Iran to weaken both countries. In Gulf War 1, the people of Iraq rose up. The rebellion from the Shia and Kurdish community’s took over 14 of Iraq’s major provinces, but George Bush Snr instructed the army to do nothing and one by one the rebellion was crushed, he was quoted as saying Its better the Iron fisted junta you know than a majority Shia government or autonomous Kurdish region adverse to our interest's. The difference obviously with the modern day Iraq war is that America smashed and grabbed Iraq and placed its own puppets in charge, although that didn’t work, and a skewered sort of democracy came about not because of "good ol' western vales" but because the US could not aford to have the majority Shia population on there back aswell as the minority Sunni population. Now you have the Iraq government controlled by the former US labelled terrorist organisation the Dawa party aligned to Iran, how bitter sweet!
Talking of Iran they had a democracy until the British and American governments sponsored the coup that lead to the shah of Iran and his monarchy being savagely placed in power. May I just add that Iran now elects their government in a democratic election thanks to the Iranian revolution, the reformers in Iran were gaining power until they were placed on the Axix of evil, another great George Bush move! Palestine also democratically elected a government when the US pushed for elections but alas they picked the wrong party! The people of the middle east are crying out for democracy but unless the invisible hands that meddle and interfere are severed they will never experience such luxury.
Not long ago Arab nationalism & communism were the main resistance form’s in the middle east and with that ideology came notions of sexual equality etc, the war on Arab nationalism lead to the death of this ideology and the growth in extreme and militant Islam.
All but one of the countries you have listed Dill are seen as clients and friends of the British and American governments, in their eyes these are “good guys”. But we don’t care about their human rights abuses and lack of freedom as long as they serve there purpose. Just read up on Hosni_Mubarak (Egypt dictator), Musharif (former Pakistan dictator) or any of the casino royle sheiks and their relationship to the west, how much money, weapons and lip service they get.
These human right abuses may not directly be our fault, but by propping up and sponsoring dictators and their nasty regimes, whilst at the same time turning a blind eye, we are unable to absolve our self from blame.
My friend you should also have a butchers (excuse the pun) at Uzbekistan (although specifically not the middle east) their dictator Islam Karimov (our new friend in the war of terror) ties people to the tracks of tanks and runs them over and boils people alive in hot oil. The British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murry was forced to resign after being told to keep his mouth shut by then foreign secretary Jack Straw, love a bit of democracy!
P.S.
Arabs are not only Muslim, believe it or not, they can also be Christian and Jewish.
Also may I second howlers notion, “I cant believe this is a Banksy forum!
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bnp membership list, by dill on Nov 25, 2008 18:58:53 GMT 1, ..ok if you can't believe it's a banks forum lets drop it.
but before we do I would just like to take issue with Havana 07 who says
"Sure and you are supporting their belief to incite racial hatred. Lovely man you are!"
how do you come to the conclusion i am trying to incite racial hatered?
since you made the absolutely outrageous accusations that i am trying to incite racial hate,
cold you point out where I have done that please?
..ok if you can't believe it's a banks forum lets drop it.
but before we do I would just like to take issue with Havana 07 who says
"Sure and you are supporting their belief to incite racial hatred. Lovely man you are!"
how do you come to the conclusion i am trying to incite racial hatered?
since you made the absolutely outrageous accusations that i am trying to incite racial hate,
cold you point out where I have done that please?
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bnp membership list, by Daniel Silk on Nov 25, 2008 19:06:52 GMT 1, I think it might be best to leave this subject now
Locking thread.
I think it might be best to leave this subject now Locking thread.
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