Martin Whatson
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Martin Whatson on Nov 1, 2008 19:21:13 GMT 1, Im REALLY satisfied with mye City Girl 150 giclee! Was a bit worried when i bought it, but the detail looks amazing. Looks like its printed on the wooden board Choe painted the Citygirl on! But I would prefer a screenprint if possible! The dirtier the better! Loving swoons method of cutting in linoleum and walking over the paper instead of running it through a press!
Im REALLY satisfied with mye City Girl 150 giclee! Was a bit worried when i bought it, but the detail looks amazing. Looks like its printed on the wooden board Choe painted the Citygirl on! But I would prefer a screenprint if possible! The dirtier the better! Loving swoons method of cutting in linoleum and walking over the paper instead of running it through a press!
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wildman
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by wildman on Nov 1, 2008 20:07:00 GMT 1, Does anyone know the literal meaning of the word Giclee? If my dog cocked its leg up against a canvas and sprayed what a dog sprays, that would be GICLEE!!
Does anyone know the literal meaning of the word Giclee? If my dog cocked its leg up against a canvas and sprayed what a dog sprays, that would be GICLEE!!
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flypitcher
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January 2008
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by flypitcher on Nov 1, 2008 20:27:47 GMT 1, Normal inkjet printers usually only have four inks but the high end Epson Printers like the 9800/11800 have 8 inks. With 4 types of black( light light black, light black and matte/photo black). Inks cost around ยฃ60 each and the machine holds 8, so it is not a cheap process. Good canvas is also not cheap.
It is not just a question of hitting the print button but you have to take in mind the canvas you are using. This could be a poly/cotton/linen canvas. Each one will give a different result. You also get satin,matte,gloss canvas so that has to be taken into account.
Then you may pritn at 1440 dpi whioch gives a very high reproduction. You also may have created a profile to use with your media. Google ICC profile.
Even after you have printed you have to decide how you are going to protect it and what type of varnish you are going to use or are you going to use a hotpress to seal it. This changes the colours as well.
There are many factors to consider before you get your desired finish.
My tip is to print on Matte canvas weighing at least 350 gsm. Then brushstroke the varnish on it for the desired effect. Anybody need any help just PM me. Also I have Epson service repair manuals fro the 7800/9800 on disc if anybody needs one.
Bye for now. PS QIMAGE is avery good program and only costs a tenner.
Normal inkjet printers usually only have four inks but the high end Epson Printers like the 9800/11800 have 8 inks. With 4 types of black( light light black, light black and matte/photo black). Inks cost around ยฃ60 each and the machine holds 8, so it is not a cheap process. Good canvas is also not cheap.
It is not just a question of hitting the print button but you have to take in mind the canvas you are using. This could be a poly/cotton/linen canvas. Each one will give a different result. You also get satin,matte,gloss canvas so that has to be taken into account.
Then you may pritn at 1440 dpi whioch gives a very high reproduction. You also may have created a profile to use with your media. Google ICC profile.
Even after you have printed you have to decide how you are going to protect it and what type of varnish you are going to use or are you going to use a hotpress to seal it. This changes the colours as well.
There are many factors to consider before you get your desired finish.
My tip is to print on Matte canvas weighing at least 350 gsm. Then brushstroke the varnish on it for the desired effect. Anybody need any help just PM me. Also I have Epson service repair manuals fro the 7800/9800 on disc if anybody needs one.
Bye for now. PS QIMAGE is avery good program and only costs a tenner.
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Heavyconsumer
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 1, 2008 20:46:16 GMT 1, Snausages, thanks for articulating your view so well. I see your point much more clearly and appreciate your perspective. Perhaps because I have the artistic flair of a mole rat (blind) and have only collected for coming up to 18 months, I pay less attention to methods of printmaking than some of you more experienced collectors and artists here. I focus almost exclusively on what a piece means to me, based on visual and emotional criteria, rather than the mechanics that went into its' production. I do also find the creative processes interesting, but the chosen methodology has little to do with my choice as a buyer.
Snausages, thanks for articulating your view so well. I see your point much more clearly and appreciate your perspective. Perhaps because I have the artistic flair of a mole rat (blind) and have only collected for coming up to 18 months, I pay less attention to methods of printmaking than some of you more experienced collectors and artists here. I focus almost exclusively on what a piece means to me, based on visual and emotional criteria, rather than the mechanics that went into its' production. I do also find the creative processes interesting, but the chosen methodology has little to do with my choice as a buyer.
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Heavyconsumer
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 1, 2008 20:54:24 GMT 1, I have some others, but for now, here are my current 2 favourite inkjet prints! next stop the framers
Sorry about photo of this one, had some trouble with lighting/flash etc...
I have some others, but for now, here are my current 2 favourite inkjet prints! next stop the framers Sorry about photo of this one, had some trouble with lighting/flash etc...
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Pattycakes
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Pattycakes on Nov 1, 2008 22:21:34 GMT 1, Let me clarify, Giclee prints are generally used to reproduce or make an editioned print of an already existing image, i.e. a painting/drawing etc by an artist. The reason why I feel that they are lacking is that printmaking is much more than a reproductive medium, it's an exercise in real artistic creativity, and the processes involved are integral to the final work being a genuine original work or art in multiple rather than just a reproduction. This morning I attended a very interesting lecture at the Armory IFPDA print fair. The topic was precisely this subject and the artists and printmakers on the panel were unanimous in their feelings towards reproductive printmaking. Not that it cannot be creative, Richard Hamilton creates incredible digital prints, but they are not mere reproductions of paintings - hence their authenticity in my eyes.
Let me clarify, Giclee prints are generally used to reproduce or make an editioned print of an already existing image, i.e. a painting/drawing etc by an artist. The reason why I feel that they are lacking is that printmaking is much more than a reproductive medium, it's an exercise in real artistic creativity, and the processes involved are integral to the final work being a genuine original work or art in multiple rather than just a reproduction. This morning I attended a very interesting lecture at the Armory IFPDA print fair. The topic was precisely this subject and the artists and printmakers on the panel were unanimous in their feelings towards reproductive printmaking. Not that it cannot be creative, Richard Hamilton creates incredible digital prints, but they are not mere reproductions of paintings - hence their authenticity in my eyes.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by arcam on Nov 1, 2008 22:24:52 GMT 1, And it's nothing to do with not accepting digital technology, it's that it's not about creating a "print" it's about reproducing something that already exists. It's just a fancy poster. You're way over simplifying. Much more work goes into making a Giclee of an artists painting. Much more.
And it's nothing to do with not accepting digital technology, it's that it's not about creating a "print" it's about reproducing something that already exists. It's just a fancy poster. You're way over simplifying. Much more work goes into making a Giclee of an artists painting. Much more.
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Little Art Book
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Little Art Book on Nov 1, 2008 23:34:38 GMT 1, I think the real point here is that some artists work just doesn't suit a screen print production. David Choe, Adam Neate, Anthony Lister are all good examples of Giclees done well.
Giclees for a complete edition are generally much more expensive than screen prints....
The average unit cost of giclee print is about ยฃ35-ยฃ50, whereas the unit cost of a screen print is about ยฃ2 per colour. The difference being that you need to pay for a complete run of screen prints up front. Giclees can be printed off one by one as they are sold.
I've seen really bad examples of both and really good examples of both. I recently bought a C215 screen print that should have been a giclee. Screen printing it ruined the image.
We at Little Art Book only screen print at the moment, but that means that we effectively cannot produce work from a percentage of artists. We have recently found a guy to produce Giclees and for artwork with more than 6 colours or transitions they are excellent. Better than screen prints.
As for emotional attachment to a Giclee versus a screen print there is no comparison.
snausages - here's a good example of an old fashioned woodcut relief with an etched tattoo. Skin texture too.
I think the real point here is that some artists work just doesn't suit a screen print production. David Choe, Adam Neate, Anthony Lister are all good examples of Giclees done well. Giclees for a complete edition are generally much more expensive than screen prints.... The average unit cost of giclee print is about ยฃ35-ยฃ50, whereas the unit cost of a screen print is about ยฃ2 per colour. The difference being that you need to pay for a complete run of screen prints up front. Giclees can be printed off one by one as they are sold. I've seen really bad examples of both and really good examples of both. I recently bought a C215 screen print that should have been a giclee. Screen printing it ruined the image. We at Little Art Book only screen print at the moment, but that means that we effectively cannot produce work from a percentage of artists. We have recently found a guy to produce Giclees and for artwork with more than 6 colours or transitions they are excellent. Better than screen prints. As for emotional attachment to a Giclee versus a screen print there is no comparison. snausages - here's a good example of an old fashioned woodcut relief with an etched tattoo. Skin texture too.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by bullet on Nov 2, 2008 0:27:56 GMT 1, giclee are a lazy print
giclee is a very posh name for it anyway, its basically an epson print out on nice paper.
giclee are a lazy print
giclee is a very posh name for it anyway, its basically an epson print out on nice paper.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Guest on Nov 2, 2008 2:31:42 GMT 1, would never buy a giclee im way to much of a screen print snob
would never buy a giclee im way to much of a screen print snob
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Guest on Nov 2, 2008 2:32:48 GMT 1, my above post is complete bollocks
my above post is complete bollocks
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by arcam on Nov 2, 2008 3:08:00 GMT 1, JBOYS post is complete bollocks Totally agree.
JBOYS post is complete bollocks Totally agree.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by snausages on Nov 2, 2008 3:27:10 GMT 1, And it's nothing to do with not accepting digital technology, it's that it's not about creating a "print" it's about reproducing something that already exists. It's just a fancy poster. You're way over simplifying. Much more work goes into making a Giclee of an artists painting. Much more. Simplification? Explain. And no more effort goes into a giclee than goes into making an offset litho, much less in fact.
A giclee is a way to output an image that already exists. It's nothing like having an empty etching plate or woodblock or screen and creating a unique image in that medium. It's nothing like drawing up a dozen films to be reproduced via an offset litho press and work the ink as it rolls through. All of these printmaking mediums have marks and processes inherent to the medium that are unique and possibly couldn't or probably wouldn't be created otherwise. When you see a really really good etching, with some really great lines you'll know it's an etching no question and not a drawing that has been printed.
And it's nothing to do with not accepting digital technology, it's that it's not about creating a "print" it's about reproducing something that already exists. It's just a fancy poster. You're way over simplifying. Much more work goes into making a Giclee of an artists painting. Much more. Simplification? Explain. And no more effort goes into a giclee than goes into making an offset litho, much less in fact. A giclee is a way to output an image that already exists. It's nothing like having an empty etching plate or woodblock or screen and creating a unique image in that medium. It's nothing like drawing up a dozen films to be reproduced via an offset litho press and work the ink as it rolls through. All of these printmaking mediums have marks and processes inherent to the medium that are unique and possibly couldn't or probably wouldn't be created otherwise. When you see a really really good etching, with some really great lines you'll know it's an etching no question and not a drawing that has been printed.
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Martin Whatson
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Martin Whatson on Nov 2, 2008 10:56:48 GMT 1, my above post is complete bollocks
HAHA!
IMO it lacks some handcraft that screenprints dont! You almost feel like its produced by a living person (almost painted). Thats what I like with screenprinting!! But then again, isnยดt screenprinting then a lazy mans stencilโฆ?
my above post is complete bollocks HAHA! IMO it lacks some handcraft that screenprints dont! You almost feel like its produced by a living person (almost painted). Thats what I like with screenprinting!! But then again, isnยดt screenprinting then a lazy mans stencilโฆ?
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Guest on Nov 2, 2008 11:14:48 GMT 1, JBOYS post is complete bollocks Totally agree.
haha!
JBOYS post is complete bollocks Totally agree. haha!
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by bullet on Nov 2, 2008 12:04:57 GMT 1, what is bollocks about my statement then.
get an image hi res on photoshop or illustrator and then pres print and wait for the cash to kerching
what is bollocks about my statement then.
get an image hi res on photoshop or illustrator and then pres print and wait for the cash to kerching
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timba82
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by timba82 on Nov 2, 2008 12:11:49 GMT 1, if it wasnt for giclee there wouldnt be the Matt Small prints not good!!! Ahmed is one of my favorites!!
if it wasnt for giclee there wouldnt be the Matt Small prints not good!!! Ahmed is one of my favorites!!
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sfdoddsy
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by sfdoddsy on Nov 2, 2008 12:21:32 GMT 1, I agree with Snausages. Lithographs, screen prints, etchings etc are an artform in themselves and a work needs to be designed to fit with their strengths and weaknesses.
A giclee of the sort praised in some of the posts is basically a photograph of a canvas, which the artist then signs. As a way to sell more signatures to the public it is very handy, but they really are just signed posters.
I agree with Snausages. Lithographs, screen prints, etchings etc are an artform in themselves and a work needs to be designed to fit with their strengths and weaknesses.
A giclee of the sort praised in some of the posts is basically a photograph of a canvas, which the artist then signs. As a way to sell more signatures to the public it is very handy, but they really are just signed posters.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by Deleted on Nov 2, 2008 13:36:22 GMT 1, I care little for the process of the printing, if I like the image then I'll frame it. I frame images of prints that I will never be able to afford printed on my own inkjet. I care little for the sig or the number or the edition size. Guess that makes me an Art Peasant in some eyes.
I care little for the process of the printing, if I like the image then I'll frame it. I frame images of prints that I will never be able to afford printed on my own inkjet. I care little for the sig or the number or the edition size. Guess that makes me an Art Peasant in some eyes.
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BONZO
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by BONZO on Nov 2, 2008 15:05:23 GMT 1, My Herakut and Adam Neate giclee's are stunning! They wouldn't have worked out that way had they been screen printed! On the flipside, had Faile decided to hand-finish a short run of giclee's... well lets not go there!!
In an ideal world, all the stuff on my walls would be originals, but they are sadly out of my league now, so prints (screen/giclee/etching/potatoe) offer mere mortals like myself to have some pretty sick looking walls! I'd have to sell my entire collection to raise the funds for 1 small original by any of the artists I collect - not sure i could do that.
My Herakut and Adam Neate giclee's are stunning! They wouldn't have worked out that way had they been screen printed! On the flipside, had Faile decided to hand-finish a short run of giclee's... well lets not go there!!
In an ideal world, all the stuff on my walls would be originals, but they are sadly out of my league now, so prints (screen/giclee/etching/potatoe) offer mere mortals like myself to have some pretty sick looking walls! I'd have to sell my entire collection to raise the funds for 1 small original by any of the artists I collect - not sure i could do that.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by tomjedimaster on Nov 2, 2008 16:02:03 GMT 1, a lot of the work that i print is for digital media artists. generally, their original work is a file on the computer that can be viewed on a screen, or through video. it's very difficult to hang a 50 Mb file on the wall. an ink jet printer provides a digital artist another way to output their work. it's a tool to produce unique one offs or multiple editions.
producing good quality ink jet prints is a skill that needs to be developed. the same goes for screen printing, etchings, wood cuts, potatoe prints, etc. the art behind any work is in the concept of the piece, not the actual producing of the piece.
hirst has a team of people that produce a lot of his work for him, logan hicks had his latest stencils from his show laser cut, pow produces screen prints for banksy that he doesn't even touch (unsigned editions)...and we all go absolutely crazy for his work when it's released.
all i'm saying is that artists use various tools that they have available to produce, or reproduce their work. and their choices increase as technology introduces new methods.
a lot of the work that i print is for digital media artists. generally, their original work is a file on the computer that can be viewed on a screen, or through video. it's very difficult to hang a 50 Mb file on the wall. an ink jet printer provides a digital artist another way to output their work. it's a tool to produce unique one offs or multiple editions.
producing good quality ink jet prints is a skill that needs to be developed. the same goes for screen printing, etchings, wood cuts, potatoe prints, etc. the art behind any work is in the concept of the piece, not the actual producing of the piece.
hirst has a team of people that produce a lot of his work for him, logan hicks had his latest stencils from his show laser cut, pow produces screen prints for banksy that he doesn't even touch (unsigned editions)...and we all go absolutely crazy for his work when it's released.
all i'm saying is that artists use various tools that they have available to produce, or reproduce their work. and their choices increase as technology introduces new methods.
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by bullet on Nov 2, 2008 16:45:12 GMT 1, a lot of the work that i print is for digital media artists. generally, their original work is a file on the computer that can be viewed on a screen, or through video. it's very difficult to hang a 50 Mb file on the wall. an ink jet printer provides a digital artist another way to output their work. it's a tool to produce unique one offs or multiple editions. producing good quality ink jet prints is a skill that needs to be developed. the same goes for screen printing, etchings, wood cuts, potatoe prints, etc. the art behind any work is in the concept of the piece, not the actual producing of the piece. hirst has a team of people that produce a lot of his work for him, logan hicks had his latest stencils from his show laser cut, pow produces screen prints for banksy that he doesn't even touch (unsigned editions)...and we all go absolutely crazy for his work when it's released. all i'm saying is that artists use various tools that they have available to produce, or reproduce their work. and their choices increase as technology introduces new methods.
Without picking holes, a 50mb file would be very bad quality on a large print
a lot of the work that i print is for digital media artists. generally, their original work is a file on the computer that can be viewed on a screen, or through video. it's very difficult to hang a 50 Mb file on the wall. an ink jet printer provides a digital artist another way to output their work. it's a tool to produce unique one offs or multiple editions. producing good quality ink jet prints is a skill that needs to be developed. the same goes for screen printing, etchings, wood cuts, potatoe prints, etc. the art behind any work is in the concept of the piece, not the actual producing of the piece. hirst has a team of people that produce a lot of his work for him, logan hicks had his latest stencils from his show laser cut, pow produces screen prints for banksy that he doesn't even touch (unsigned editions)...and we all go absolutely crazy for his work when it's released. all i'm saying is that artists use various tools that they have available to produce, or reproduce their work. and their choices increase as technology introduces new methods. Without picking holes, a 50mb file would be very bad quality on a large print
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curiousgeorge
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by curiousgeorge on Nov 2, 2008 16:59:21 GMT 1, "Without picking holes, a 50mb file would be very bad quality on a large print"
Beg to differ I've had images a LOT less than half that size printed out in panorama format roughly 100cmx50cm without a single issue.Customers keeping sending friends my way too, best customers are returning customers no?
"Without picking holes, a 50mb file would be very bad quality on a large print"
Beg to differ I've had images a LOT less than half that size printed out in panorama format roughly 100cmx50cm without a single issue.Customers keeping sending friends my way too, best customers are returning customers no?
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by bullet on Nov 2, 2008 17:02:39 GMT 1, if your printing anything less than 300 dpi - thats low print quality...
if your printing anything less than 300 dpi - thats low print quality...
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by graeme501 on Nov 2, 2008 17:09:18 GMT 1, if it wasnt for giclee there wouldnt be the Matt Small prints not good!!! Ahmed is one of my favorites!!
the matt small prints are screenprinted, 19 colours, except moses and terry - they're giclee
if it wasnt for giclee there wouldnt be the Matt Small prints not good!!! Ahmed is one of my favorites!! the matt small prints are screenprinted, 19 colours, except moses and terry - they're giclee
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sonnysides
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by sonnysides on Nov 2, 2008 19:06:24 GMT 1, I was under the impression that giclee meant "archival" which is what many artists like Audrey Kawasaki and David Choe are using these days. They are printing on archival paper with archival inks that will preserve the colors for 100+ years. I was told the life of a screen print is usually 25+ years before seeing a difference in the quality of the print. I still love my screen prints!!
I was under the impression that giclee meant "archival" which is what many artists like Audrey Kawasaki and David Choe are using these days. They are printing on archival paper with archival inks that will preserve the colors for 100+ years. I was told the life of a screen print is usually 25+ years before seeing a difference in the quality of the print. I still love my screen prints!!
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What are your thoughts on giclee?, by corblimeyswife on Nov 2, 2008 20:03:37 GMT 1, if your printing anything less than 300 dpi - thats low print quality...
I can't believe the amount of mis-understanding on giclee prints.
Firstly Jboy, a 50Mb file at 300dpi would be close to A3 in size, via giclee it could be printed at three times the size (1260mm x 891mm) with ease, in fact 4 times is possible.
Giclee means inkjet.
The large format inkjet printers sometimes print in 8 colours but they are still limited to the CMYK gamut as they use CMYK inks plus light Cyan, light Magenta, light Yellow and light Black.
Giclee prints are only archival if printed with UV inks.
An A2 giclee can be bought for around ยฃ8, obviously it costs much less than that in materials, but if you want it on the highest quality cotton paper it could set you back around ยฃ30 + vat for an A2.
Giclees can't print in 'special' colours but screen printing can, eg metalic gold, or any very vibrant colour not acheiveable though the CMYK process.
You can't get the thickness of ink down on paper using inkjet like you can using screenprinting.
There's a whole section on print processes on Wall Kandy.net
if your printing anything less than 300 dpi - thats low print quality... I can't believe the amount of mis-understanding on giclee prints. Firstly Jboy, a 50Mb file at 300dpi would be close to A3 in size, via giclee it could be printed at three times the size (1260mm x 891mm) with ease, in fact 4 times is possible. Giclee means inkjet. The large format inkjet printers sometimes print in 8 colours but they are still limited to the CMYK gamut as they use CMYK inks plus light Cyan, light Magenta, light Yellow and light Black. Giclee prints are only archival if printed with UV inks. An A2 giclee can be bought for around ยฃ8, obviously it costs much less than that in materials, but if you want it on the highest quality cotton paper it could set you back around ยฃ30 + vat for an A2. Giclees can't print in 'special' colours but screen printing can, eg metalic gold, or any very vibrant colour not acheiveable though the CMYK process. You can't get the thickness of ink down on paper using inkjet like you can using screenprinting. There's a whole section on print processes on Wall K andy.net
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