modprints101
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banksy prices, by modprints101 on Oct 21, 2008 12:54:04 GMT 1, What do people feel about the prices at the moment, especially at auction and on ebay. They seem to be crashing to me. Does anyone else think the market is over saturated
What do people feel about the prices at the moment, especially at auction and on ebay. They seem to be crashing to me. Does anyone else think the market is over saturated
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danmuppet
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banksy prices, by danmuppet on Oct 21, 2008 12:57:11 GMT 1, not sure it is over saturated- many people would still love a banksy, just think people are being areful with there money at the mo!!! think it will rise again soon!!!
not sure it is over saturated- many people would still love a banksy, just think people are being areful with there money at the mo!!! think it will rise again soon!!!
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banksy prices, by doublehelix on Oct 21, 2008 12:59:59 GMT 1, If you compare the prices of the prints at source and their prices in the secondary market, I'd hardly say they are crashing.
If you compare the prices of the prints at source and their prices in the secondary market, I'd hardly say they are crashing.
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dmandpenfold
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banksy prices, by dmandpenfold on Oct 21, 2008 13:07:20 GMT 1, ...good grief...sigh
...good grief...sigh
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anthoz
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banksy prices, by anthoz on Oct 21, 2008 13:10:29 GMT 1, What do people feel about the prices at the moment, especially at auction and on ebay. They seem to be crashing to me. Does anyone else think the market is over saturated
Warning:
This forum is overloaded with saturated prints, please find an alternative forum loaded with the far healthier poly-un saturated prints.
What do people feel about the prices at the moment, especially at auction and on ebay. They seem to be crashing to me. Does anyone else think the market is over saturated Warning:This forum is overloaded with saturated prints, please find an alternative forum loaded with the far healthier poly-un saturated prints.
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silvermyn
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banksy prices, by silvermyn on Oct 21, 2008 13:16:33 GMT 1, What do people feel about the prices at the moment, especially at auction and on ebay. They seem to be crashing to me. Does anyone else think the market is over saturated Warning:This forum is overloaded with saturated prints, please find an alternative forum loaded with the far healthier poly-un saturated prints.
;D ;D ;D
What do people feel about the prices at the moment, especially at auction and on ebay. They seem to be crashing to me. Does anyone else think the market is over saturated Warning:This forum is overloaded with saturated prints, please find an alternative forum loaded with the far healthier poly-un saturated prints. ;D ;D ;D
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banksy prices, by howlinhooker on Oct 21, 2008 13:19:36 GMT 1, i hope they do crash BIG TIME ...........STILL AFTER.. RUDE COPPER,QUEEN VIC, SOUP CANS,
i hope they do crash BIG TIME ...........STILL AFTER.. RUDE COPPER,QUEEN VIC, SOUP CANS,
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banksy prices, by Daniel Silk on Oct 21, 2008 13:57:19 GMT 1, I get the impression some people are trying to force a price drop
Its all a bit silly really coz does anyone seriously think the prints are gonna ever be worth less than the original POW price I dont think so! What your talking about is they are worth 10x what you paid for them rather than 12x ;D hardly a problem.
I get the impression some people are trying to force a price drop Its all a bit silly really coz does anyone seriously think the prints are gonna ever be worth less than the original POW price I dont think so! What your talking about is they are worth 10x what you paid for them rather than 12x ;D hardly a problem.
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banksy prices, by Guest on Oct 21, 2008 14:01:38 GMT 1, I get the impression some people are trying to force a price drop Its all a bit silly really coz does anyone seriously think the prints are gonna ever be worth less than the original POW price I dont think so! What your talking about is they are worth 10x what I paid for them rather than 12x ;D hardly a problem.
people are more interested in the price of their own prints. its a good question.
I get the impression some people are trying to force a price drop Its all a bit silly really coz does anyone seriously think the prints are gonna ever be worth less than the original POW price I dont think so! What your talking about is they are worth 10x what I paid for them rather than 12x ;D hardly a problem. people are more interested in the price of their own prints. its a good question.
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dmandpenfold
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banksy prices, by dmandpenfold on Oct 21, 2008 14:04:32 GMT 1, I get the impression some people are trying to force a price drop Its all a bit silly really coz does anyone seriously think the prints are gonna ever be worth less than the original POW price I dont think so! What your talking about is they are worth 10x what I paid for them rather than 12x ;D hardly a problem. people are more interested in the price of their own prints. its a good question.
albeit a frequently enough asked one
I get the impression some people are trying to force a price drop Its all a bit silly really coz does anyone seriously think the prints are gonna ever be worth less than the original POW price I dont think so! What your talking about is they are worth 10x what I paid for them rather than 12x ;D hardly a problem. people are more interested in the price of their own prints. its a good question. albeit a frequently enough asked one
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banksy prices, by Guest on Oct 21, 2008 14:06:25 GMT 1, people are more interested in the price of their own prints. its a good question. albeit a frequently enough asked one
Your not wrong there.
people are more interested in the price of their own prints. its a good question. albeit a frequently enough asked one Your not wrong there.
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Pattycakes
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banksy prices, by Pattycakes on Oct 21, 2008 14:47:03 GMT 1, As I have often said Banksy's prints are not rare, and those people who've hoarded dozens of the same print to artificially inflate the market have suceeded until now, I think that with so much being flipped, sold through eBay auction etc, there is a complete glut of prints in the market and no-one seems prepared to accept that their signed prints are not worth the deposit on the flat that they were 4 months ago.
It's foolish really, if you love the prints, then that's great, you're an art collector and their worth doesn't have a huge bearing on you. If you are a seller, then you have to face reality, bite the bullet and be prepared to sell for what they are now really worth. My feeling is prices are going to drop further, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bloody fool. We're in a recession, people's homes are being reposessed at an incredible rate, and the last thing that 99% of the population wants to do is buy an overpriced Banksy.
As I have often said Banksy's prints are not rare, and those people who've hoarded dozens of the same print to artificially inflate the market have suceeded until now, I think that with so much being flipped, sold through eBay auction etc, there is a complete glut of prints in the market and no-one seems prepared to accept that their signed prints are not worth the deposit on the flat that they were 4 months ago.
It's foolish really, if you love the prints, then that's great, you're an art collector and their worth doesn't have a huge bearing on you. If you are a seller, then you have to face reality, bite the bullet and be prepared to sell for what they are now really worth. My feeling is prices are going to drop further, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bloody fool. We're in a recession, people's homes are being reposessed at an incredible rate, and the last thing that 99% of the population wants to do is buy an overpriced Banksy.
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retardthebear
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banksy prices, by retardthebear on Oct 21, 2008 15:05:51 GMT 1, As I have often said Banksy's prints are not rare, and those people who've hoarded dozens of the same print to artificially inflate the market have suceeded until now, I think that with so much being flipped, sold through eBay auction etc, there is a complete glut of prints in the market and no-one seems prepared to accept that their signed prints are not worth the deposit on the flat that they were 4 months ago. It's foolish really, if you love the prints, then that's great, you're an art collector and their worth doesn't have a huge bearing on you. If you are a seller, then you have to face reality, bite the bullet and be prepared to sell for what they are now really worth. My feeling is prices are going to drop further, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bloody fool. We're in a recession, people's homes are being reposessed at an incredible rate, and the last thing that 99% of the population wants to do is buy an overpriced Banksy.
here here!
anyone in dange of reposession with a signed 'Morons' I will help you out and give you a couple of hundred quid!
You're welcome!
As I have often said Banksy's prints are not rare, and those people who've hoarded dozens of the same print to artificially inflate the market have suceeded until now, I think that with so much being flipped, sold through eBay auction etc, there is a complete glut of prints in the market and no-one seems prepared to accept that their signed prints are not worth the deposit on the flat that they were 4 months ago. It's foolish really, if you love the prints, then that's great, you're an art collector and their worth doesn't have a huge bearing on you. If you are a seller, then you have to face reality, bite the bullet and be prepared to sell for what they are now really worth. My feeling is prices are going to drop further, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a bloody fool. We're in a recession, people's homes are being reposessed at an incredible rate, and the last thing that 99% of the population wants to do is buy an overpriced Banksy. here here! anyone in dange of reposession with a signed 'Morons' I will help you out and give you a couple of hundred quid! You're welcome!
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banksy prices, by snausages on Oct 21, 2008 15:07:29 GMT 1, We're in a recession, people's homes are being reposessed at an incredible rate, and the last thing that 99% of the population wants to do is buy an overpriced Banksy. The time to say that "it's a bad time to buy a Banksy print" was 1-1.5 years ago when people were paying $15-20k for a signed Morons or J&J or something like that. Or some people paying well over $10,000 for an unsigned print! Of course you would have gotten completely trashed and ripped apart here if you said anything negative about prices then.
Prices could still drift a bit lower? But if you were smart enough not to buy an overpriced home and you still have a decent job I think it's a great time to take advantage of the low Banksy prices. As for most other street artists, it's a bit of a crapshoot still.
We're in a recession, people's homes are being reposessed at an incredible rate, and the last thing that 99% of the population wants to do is buy an overpriced Banksy. The time to say that "it's a bad time to buy a Banksy print" was 1-1.5 years ago when people were paying $15-20k for a signed Morons or J&J or something like that. Or some people paying well over $10,000 for an unsigned print! Of course you would have gotten completely trashed and ripped apart here if you said anything negative about prices then. Prices could still drift a bit lower? But if you were smart enough not to buy an overpriced home and you still have a decent job I think it's a great time to take advantage of the low Banksy prices. As for most other street artists, it's a bit of a crapshoot still.
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banksy prices, by They call me Stephen on Oct 21, 2008 15:08:11 GMT 1, ^agree with printguru^....
i just hope prices fall enough for me to be able to afford a signed banksy! one can only wish after all ;D
^agree with printguru^....
i just hope prices fall enough for me to be able to afford a signed banksy! one can only wish after all ;D
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banksy prices, by arcam on Oct 21, 2008 15:10:04 GMT 1, We all have opinions on this. My personal feeling with regards to price of Banksy's is the totally opposite to you, I actually feel prices are going no where but up. The facts of the matter is though we are in unchartered waters with regards the financial markets. And no one knows what long term impact it is going to have on the art market.
We all have opinions on this. My personal feeling with regards to price of Banksy's is the totally opposite to you, I actually feel prices are going no where but up. The facts of the matter is though we are in unchartered waters with regards the financial markets. And no one knows what long term impact it is going to have on the art market.
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banksy prices, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 21, 2008 15:45:52 GMT 1, In the long run the signed Banksys will be worth a lot more than they are today - esp the newer ones (morons, S&S, Trolleys) because they're relatively cheap compared to the "older" ones. Irregardless of the current financial situation, I used to have doubts about Mr Bs place in history. Not anymore, so long term no worries...
In the long run the signed Banksys will be worth a lot more than they are today - esp the newer ones (morons, S&S, Trolleys) because they're relatively cheap compared to the "older" ones. Irregardless of the current financial situation, I used to have doubts about Mr Bs place in history. Not anymore, so long term no worries...
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banksy prices, by weaver on Oct 21, 2008 15:52:57 GMT 1, Not sure if a glut is the right description for the lowest number of genuine banksy prints available to buy on e-bay in the last couple of years at the present time ( admittedly there is a vast ammount of tat). People realise that there isn't alot of money about, and they wont get the prices they hoped for on the ebay scene so would rather not sell than sell low. Put feelers out if you are looking for a print, quite sure you'll get a reply if your looking.
Not sure if a glut is the right description for the lowest number of genuine banksy prints available to buy on e-bay in the last couple of years at the present time ( admittedly there is a vast ammount of tat). People realise that there isn't alot of money about, and they wont get the prices they hoped for on the ebay scene so would rather not sell than sell low. Put feelers out if you are looking for a print, quite sure you'll get a reply if your looking.
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dmandpenfold
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banksy prices, by dmandpenfold on Oct 21, 2008 15:59:23 GMT 1, weaver dont suppose you want to sell that RR ?
weaver dont suppose you want to sell that RR ?
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banksy prices, by oneeye on Oct 21, 2008 16:45:08 GMT 1, Older signed Banksys are rock solid. Now is a good time to buy an image you've always loved. Hang it and appreciate it. You'll be happy you did in the years to come.
Older signed Banksys are rock solid. Now is a good time to buy an image you've always loved. Hang it and appreciate it. You'll be happy you did in the years to come.
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banksy prices, by buffin on Oct 21, 2008 17:17:45 GMT 1, Nobody knows in which way print prices are heading. Some people on here were saying a year ago that the credit crunch in the USA would have no effect on the UK!
Nobody knows in which way print prices are heading. Some people on here were saying a year ago that the credit crunch in the USA would have no effect on the UK!
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banksy prices, by lee3 on Oct 21, 2008 17:41:25 GMT 1, Nobody knows in which way print prices are heading. Some people on here were saying a year ago that the credit crunch in the USA would have no effect on the UK!
I'm 99.9% certain print prices are heading south. His works on canvas (both editioned and unique) clearly peaked on average in February of this year (arguably Novemeber of last year). Common sense suggests that the price of multiples will not hold flat given the blood bath in the contemporary art markets this past week. For sellers, that's bad news, for buyers the opposite. I recall thinking to myself at this time last year that I would never own a Banksy as I had missed any chance given his meteoric rise in price.
Over the past year I've acquired a couple given the price correction and clearly overpaid for one. That's ok though as long as one isn't in debt and has cash on the sidelines.
Right now represents an excellent buying opportuinity relative to prices from the previous 18 months. I am however cautious as my instinct tells me that prices will decrease further and perhaps substantially as the art market has a good 5+ years of ridiculous pricing to correct and regresses to the mean.
All of the auction houses have taken a beating this week and November will be worse for them as that is the high season and they already made their guarantees for work 2 months ago to auciton in 3 weeks. I'm pretty sure all of the houses will be much more frugal with their gurantees going forward and similarly the days of the agressive estimate are over since there are so many bought in lots this week. Almost every agressive estimate was bought in so the game did change and I doubt the shake out is over already. We'll know for sure in mid November.
Nobody knows in which way print prices are heading. Some people on here were saying a year ago that the credit crunch in the USA would have no effect on the UK! I'm 99.9% certain print prices are heading south. His works on canvas (both editioned and unique) clearly peaked on average in February of this year (arguably Novemeber of last year). Common sense suggests that the price of multiples will not hold flat given the blood bath in the contemporary art markets this past week. For sellers, that's bad news, for buyers the opposite. I recall thinking to myself at this time last year that I would never own a Banksy as I had missed any chance given his meteoric rise in price. Over the past year I've acquired a couple given the price correction and clearly overpaid for one. That's ok though as long as one isn't in debt and has cash on the sidelines. Right now represents an excellent buying opportuinity relative to prices from the previous 18 months. I am however cautious as my instinct tells me that prices will decrease further and perhaps substantially as the art market has a good 5+ years of ridiculous pricing to correct and regresses to the mean. All of the auction houses have taken a beating this week and November will be worse for them as that is the high season and they already made their guarantees for work 2 months ago to auciton in 3 weeks. I'm pretty sure all of the houses will be much more frugal with their gurantees going forward and similarly the days of the agressive estimate are over since there are so many bought in lots this week. Almost every agressive estimate was bought in so the game did change and I doubt the shake out is over already. We'll know for sure in mid November.
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Simococo
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banksy prices, by Simococo on Oct 21, 2008 17:58:10 GMT 1, I would actually argue that this is still a SELLERS market at the moment. Prices still pretty high unless you only bought the piece in the last 6-8 months and then you shouldn't really be selling and moaning you naughty boys and girls. But lets look at what we paid for those Banksys, Neates, Walkers 2/3/4/5 years ago!!!!
Prices are goimg to drop for the next two years at least and probably longer. I don't think that the true impact of our current global issue has really impacted most people, so I would be very careful bidding on anything at the moment expecting to bag a bargain. It may seem like a good deal compared to a year ago but in two or three years its going to look like a naive transaction unless you are happy with it hanging on your wall for a long time, which in truth is how it should be.
The froth is coming off thank god, and art IS a great investment if it gives you gazing pleasure and makes you walk funny.
I would actually argue that this is still a SELLERS market at the moment. Prices still pretty high unless you only bought the piece in the last 6-8 months and then you shouldn't really be selling and moaning you naughty boys and girls. But lets look at what we paid for those Banksys, Neates, Walkers 2/3/4/5 years ago!!!!
Prices are goimg to drop for the next two years at least and probably longer. I don't think that the true impact of our current global issue has really impacted most people, so I would be very careful bidding on anything at the moment expecting to bag a bargain. It may seem like a good deal compared to a year ago but in two or three years its going to look like a naive transaction unless you are happy with it hanging on your wall for a long time, which in truth is how it should be.
The froth is coming off thank god, and art IS a great investment if it gives you gazing pleasure and makes you walk funny.
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banksy prices, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 21, 2008 18:04:34 GMT 1, With regards to valuation Mr B HAS controlled inventory to a degree. Big plus. Others have not...
With regards to valuation Mr B HAS controlled inventory to a degree. Big plus. Others have not...
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banksy prices, by arcam on Oct 21, 2008 18:06:47 GMT 1, As I've said before no one knows. People need to decide for themselves.
As I've said before no one knows. People need to decide for themselves.
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banksy prices, by onemandown72 on Oct 21, 2008 18:16:44 GMT 1, With regards to valuation Mr B HAS controlled inventory to a degree. Big plus. Others have not...
Hmmmm releasing over 26,000 prints controlling inventory? Not sure that I quite agree with that.
With regards to valuation Mr B HAS controlled inventory to a degree. Big plus. Others have not... Hmmmm releasing over 26,000 prints controlling inventory? Not sure that I quite agree with that.
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banksy prices, by snausages on Oct 21, 2008 18:53:59 GMT 1, I'm 99.9% certain print prices are heading south. His works on canvas (both editioned and unique) clearly peaked on average in February of this year (arguably Novemeber of last year). Common sense suggests that the price of multiples will not hold flat given the blood bath in the contemporary art markets this past week. Bloodbath this week!? Print prices have dropped enormously for prints since summer 07 aside from the normal bonhams panic bump. It began roughly a year or more ago and the beginning could possibly be traced back to about the time the Sale Ends canvas was bought in at Christies. One of the first of many works by Banksy and Faile to be bought in since then.
But now? I think the bulk of the decline is behind us. I certainly don't expect prices to explode upwards again, and still do expect a number of pieces to continue to be bought in. And maybe prices could go lower, sure, but I think most people are going to hold rather than dump anything unless it's by a questionable artist. Mostly I think we're going to be consolidating in a sideways trading range for a long period and by the time things really change and all the lemmings think that art is a 'great investment' once again the low prices will be long gone. It's a switch up on the old sell the rumor buy the news scenario.
People keep saying prints are worth much more than from source which is true, but for recent unsigned Banksy prints, it's not worth that much more, maybe double. And for signed prints currently about triple. That may sound good except that it's not that fair of an assessment because at the time that these were sold they were priced well under market value to keep with Banksy's and POWs ethos of keeping the art affordable. In 2007 POW could have sold a signed S&S, Trolley or Morons for ยฃ2000 retail and I doubt many would argue that they would not have sold out, even if more slowly. But immediately after these sold out I think the ebay range was ยฃ2.5-5k depending. And now, those prints are selling for ยฃ1.5-3k. With a few exceptions prices for many older prints have dropped in half from the record highs in 07. Yes, it could go lower, but I think we've already hit that bump in the road, we just need to ride it out. Certainly no major rush to buy. But a great time to keep an eye out for some bargains.
But for now, the dollar has broken it's downtrend, oil prices have collapsed and the stock market has probably bottomed. The economic forecast sure doesn't look stellar but historically, bottoms are always put in when the news still looks horrible. You buy when there is blood in the streets.
I'm 99.9% certain print prices are heading south. His works on canvas (both editioned and unique) clearly peaked on average in February of this year (arguably Novemeber of last year). Common sense suggests that the price of multiples will not hold flat given the blood bath in the contemporary art markets this past week. Bloodbath this week!? Print prices have dropped enormously for prints since summer 07 aside from the normal bonhams panic bump. It began roughly a year or more ago and the beginning could possibly be traced back to about the time the Sale Ends canvas was bought in at Christies. One of the first of many works by Banksy and Faile to be bought in since then. But now? I think the bulk of the decline is behind us. I certainly don't expect prices to explode upwards again, and still do expect a number of pieces to continue to be bought in. And maybe prices could go lower, sure, but I think most people are going to hold rather than dump anything unless it's by a questionable artist. Mostly I think we're going to be consolidating in a sideways trading range for a long period and by the time things really change and all the lemmings think that art is a 'great investment' once again the low prices will be long gone. It's a switch up on the old sell the rumor buy the news scenario. People keep saying prints are worth much more than from source which is true, but for recent unsigned Banksy prints, it's not worth that much more, maybe double. And for signed prints currently about triple. That may sound good except that it's not that fair of an assessment because at the time that these were sold they were priced well under market value to keep with Banksy's and POWs ethos of keeping the art affordable. In 2007 POW could have sold a signed S&S, Trolley or Morons for ยฃ2000 retail and I doubt many would argue that they would not have sold out, even if more slowly. But immediately after these sold out I think the ebay range was ยฃ2.5-5k depending. And now, those prints are selling for ยฃ1.5-3k. With a few exceptions prices for many older prints have dropped in half from the record highs in 07. Yes, it could go lower, but I think we've already hit that bump in the road, we just need to ride it out. Certainly no major rush to buy. But a great time to keep an eye out for some bargains. But for now, the dollar has broken it's downtrend, oil prices have collapsed and the stock market has probably bottomed. The economic forecast sure doesn't look stellar but historically, bottoms are always put in when the news still looks horrible. You buy when there is blood in the streets.
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Simococo
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banksy prices, by Simococo on Oct 21, 2008 19:10:35 GMT 1, I think people are going to keep on selling stuff, because they bought it on credit. Thats how we got in the poo hole to start with. Credit was cheap and easy and now we must pay. One example is how many newer Walker originals are finding their ways into the consignment depts of galleries so soon... In two /three years there will be bargains defo. But now the froth has not totally cleared When new shows start next year from the more recognised crew I expect more reasonable pricing to ensure sell out status and that itself will help stabilize the secondary market drama.
I think people are going to keep on selling stuff, because they bought it on credit. Thats how we got in the poo hole to start with. Credit was cheap and easy and now we must pay. One example is how many newer Walker originals are finding their ways into the consignment depts of galleries so soon... In two /three years there will be bargains defo. But now the froth has not totally cleared When new shows start next year from the more recognised crew I expect more reasonable pricing to ensure sell out status and that itself will help stabilize the secondary market drama.
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banksy prices, by snausages on Oct 21, 2008 19:16:31 GMT 1, One example is how many newer Walker originals are finding their ways into the consignment depts of galleries so soon... Well as I said, I think most people are going to hold rather than dump anything unless it's by a questionable artist.
One example is how many newer Walker originals are finding their ways into the consignment depts of galleries so soon... Well as I said, I think most people are going to hold rather than dump anything unless it's by a questionable artist.
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Simococo
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banksy prices, by Simococo on Oct 21, 2008 19:26:14 GMT 1, One example is how many newer Walker originals are finding their ways into the consignment depts of galleries so soon... Well as I said, I think most people are going to hold rather than dump anything unless it's by a questionable artist.
fair point ;D
One example is how many newer Walker originals are finding their ways into the consignment depts of galleries so soon... Well as I said, I think most people are going to hold rather than dump anything unless it's by a questionable artist. fair point ;D
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