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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by stillborncrisps on Apr 20, 2008 1:09:37 GMT 1, Thanks or the info Snakes, will pass it on. My mate has read up quite a bit on how to look after them, but somehow can't seem to master the eggs part. But the pair he has live permanently together in one tank and he don't do any of the Brumation stuff... she just naturally lays eggs once a year.
She's an albino, and my mate reckons the prospect of the children then being able to have albino offspring means he shouldn't have too much trouble offloading them to other breeders. Dunno how accurate such a statement is, but the albino gene adds an exciting element to it all. 
Thanks or the info Snakes, will pass it on. My mate has read up quite a bit on how to look after them, but somehow can't seem to master the eggs part. But the pair he has live permanently together in one tank and he don't do any of the Brumation stuff... she just naturally lays eggs once a year. She's an albino, and my mate reckons the prospect of the children then being able to have albino offspring means he shouldn't have too much trouble offloading them to other breeders. Dunno how accurate such a statement is, but the albino gene adds an exciting element to it all. |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by kj on Apr 20, 2008 1:38:36 GMT 1, is dad a common/normal coloured one?
if you breed it to the albino (assuming there are no hets), all the offspring will be normal. if you breed those offspring to each other, about a quarter of their clutch will be albino, but if you breed one of the male offspring back to mum instead of to a sibling, about half of their clutch will be albino instead of a quarter.
is dad a common/normal coloured one?
if you breed it to the albino (assuming there are no hets), all the offspring will be normal. if you breed those offspring to each other, about a quarter of their clutch will be albino, but if you breed one of the male offspring back to mum instead of to a sibling, about half of their clutch will be albino instead of a quarter.
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by stillborncrisps on Apr 20, 2008 14:47:38 GMT 1, sorry - got it the wrong way round - the dad is the albino, the female is normal coloured. dunno if that affects the odds. We've never sat down and worked them out as you've described. Realise the albino gene will not be apparent in the first generation, but didn't realise you could breed kids with parents, seems a bit sick! - is that sort of thing normal for breeders?
What are hets BTW?
sorry - got it the wrong way round - the dad is the albino, the female is normal coloured. dunno if that affects the odds. We've never sat down and worked them out as you've described. Realise the albino gene will not be apparent in the first generation, but didn't realise you could breed kids with parents, seems a bit sick! - is that sort of thing normal for breeders?
What are hets BTW?
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by manchestermike on Apr 20, 2008 14:57:16 GMT 1,
They're what the Royal family wear on their heads
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by kj on Apr 20, 2008 15:47:17 GMT 1, sorry - got it the wrong way round - the dad is the albino, the female is normal coloured. dunno if that affects the odds. We've never sat down and worked them out as you've described. Realise the albino gene will not be apparent in the first generation, but didn't realise you could breed kids with parents, seems a bit sick! - is that sort of thing normal for breeders? What are hets BTW?
its quite common to breed back to the parents to increase the numbers of albinos and stuff. if you dont breed a parent back to its offspring, you'd be breeding a brother to its sister... just as bad i reckon! but snakes dont have the same sense of family as humans do so its not sick really. it can cause side-effects if you inbreed for too many generations though, so if possible, it might be an idea to get another adult pair (or at least another female) so you always have unrelated snakes in your breeding stock if you want to do it every year.
hets are... sort of hidden genes. (het is short for heterozygous.)
im not very good at explaining but i'll try...
if the father is albino and the mother is normal, the offspring will be normal het for albino, meaning they have the albino gene, but they arent visually albino.
if you breed two normal het for albino snakes, a quarter of the offspring will be visibly albino, half will be normal het for albino and a quater will be normal with no het. (its impossible to tell which normal ones have the hidden albino gene and which ones dont)
if you breed a het for albino with a visual albino, half will be albino and half will be het... which is why it's better to breed the offspring back to dad.
what i meant in my original post about having hets is that if your female snake is het for albino and you didnt know, there's a chance you may end up with some albinos in your first generation of offspring... which would be nice!
its taken me years of reading up on snake genetics to learn the basics... there are so many different variations and combinations that it gets a bit mad sometimes. im still learning so sorry if that was confusing!
sorry - got it the wrong way round - the dad is the albino, the female is normal coloured. dunno if that affects the odds. We've never sat down and worked them out as you've described. Realise the albino gene will not be apparent in the first generation, but didn't realise you could breed kids with parents, seems a bit sick! - is that sort of thing normal for breeders? What are hets BTW? its quite common to breed back to the parents to increase the numbers of albinos and stuff. if you dont breed a parent back to its offspring, you'd be breeding a brother to its sister... just as bad i reckon! but snakes dont have the same sense of family as humans do so its not sick really. it can cause side-effects if you inbreed for too many generations though, so if possible, it might be an idea to get another adult pair (or at least another female) so you always have unrelated snakes in your breeding stock if you want to do it every year. hets are... sort of hidden genes. (het is short for heterozygous.) im not very good at explaining but i'll try... if the father is albino and the mother is normal, the offspring will be normal het for albino, meaning they have the albino gene, but they arent visually albino. if you breed two normal het for albino snakes, a quarter of the offspring will be visibly albino, half will be normal het for albino and a quater will be normal with no het. (its impossible to tell which normal ones have the hidden albino gene and which ones dont) if you breed a het for albino with a visual albino, half will be albino and half will be het... which is why it's better to breed the offspring back to dad. what i meant in my original post about having hets is that if your female snake is het for albino and you didnt know, there's a chance you may end up with some albinos in your first generation of offspring... which would be nice! its taken me years of reading up on snake genetics to learn the basics... there are so many different variations and combinations that it gets a bit mad sometimes. im still learning so sorry if that was confusing! |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by chrisps303 on Apr 20, 2008 18:16:46 GMT 1, They're what the Royal family wear on their heads
LOL
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by dmandpenfold on Apr 20, 2008 18:36:08 GMT 1, ...Looking forward to my next 'bus mans' holiday to Ozzy where I can see and learn more about them in their home environment yet again! ;D
shame Steve Irwin's not still about, you could have probably got a look at his collection in QLD. The snakes at Australia zoo just north of Brisbane (now run by mrs Irwin) are pretty amazing some nasty little critters too including a "Fierce Snake" (or inland Taipan)
Having lived in rural and townie Australia i'm not too keen on snakes (or spiders) in the house, however i can see the fascination, i've come across about 10 in the wild there ranging from the venomous to a harmless tree snake in tropical Qld and rather clumsily even stood on the tail of a brown snake, he took a pop at me and bit my work trousers, obviously i didnt hang around and once i got off him he buggered off smart-ish too, anyway my point is as far as busmans hols go for snakes you probably couldnt get a better place as there are about 140 species there.
...Looking forward to my next 'bus mans' holiday to Ozzy where I can see and learn more about them in their home environment yet again! ;D shame Steve Irwin's not still about, you could have probably got a look at his collection in QLD. The snakes at Australia zoo just north of Brisbane (now run by mrs Irwin) are pretty amazing some nasty little critters too including a "Fierce Snake" (or inland Taipan) Having lived in rural and townie Australia i'm not too keen on snakes (or spiders) in the house, however i can see the fascination, i've come across about 10 in the wild there ranging from the venomous to a harmless tree snake in tropical Qld and rather clumsily even stood on the tail of a brown snake, he took a pop at me and bit my work trousers, obviously i didnt hang around and once i got off him he buggered off smart-ish too, anyway my point is as far as busmans hols go for snakes you probably couldnt get a better place as there are about 140 species there. |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by spencerlee on Apr 20, 2008 19:44:23 GMT 1, Fascinating thread. Makes a change from Nick Walker....
Fascinating thread. Makes a change from Nick Walker....
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by snakes on Apr 20, 2008 22:16:15 GMT 1, ...Looking forward to my next 'bus mans' holiday to Ozzy where I can see and learn more about them in their home environment yet again! ;D shame Steve Irwin's not still about, you could have probably got a look at his collection in QLD. The snakes at Australia zoo just north of Brisbane (now run by mrs Irwin) are pretty amazing some nasty little critters too including a "Fierce Snake" (or inland Taipan) Having lived in rural and townie Australia i'm not too keen on snakes (or spiders) in the house, however i can see the fascination, i've come across about 10 in the wild there ranging from the venomous to a harmless tree snake in tropical Qld and rather clumsily even stood on the tail of a brown snake, he took a pop at me and bit my work trousers, obviously i didnt hang around and once i got off him he buggered off smart-ish too, anyway my point is as far as busmans hols go for snakes you probably couldnt get a better place as there are about 140 species there.
Yeah I love the place mate. I think it will be about my 7th time back in the past 8 years. Give me tropical northern QLD any day though especially Cairns, Gordonvale, Cooktown and the table lands!
..and how has Australia Zoo changed over the years; from a back garden zoo into a real one with a crocodile arena. God bless Steve Irwin and what he managed to do in his short time..
...Looking forward to my next 'bus mans' holiday to Ozzy where I can see and learn more about them in their home environment yet again! ;D shame Steve Irwin's not still about, you could have probably got a look at his collection in QLD. The snakes at Australia zoo just north of Brisbane (now run by mrs Irwin) are pretty amazing some nasty little critters too including a "Fierce Snake" (or inland Taipan) Having lived in rural and townie Australia i'm not too keen on snakes (or spiders) in the house, however i can see the fascination, i've come across about 10 in the wild there ranging from the venomous to a harmless tree snake in tropical Qld and rather clumsily even stood on the tail of a brown snake, he took a pop at me and bit my work trousers, obviously i didnt hang around and once i got off him he buggered off smart-ish too, anyway my point is as far as busmans hols go for snakes you probably couldnt get a better place as there are about 140 species there. Yeah I love the place mate. I think it will be about my 7th time back in the past 8 years. Give me tropical northern QLD any day though especially Cairns, Gordonvale, Cooktown and the table lands! ..and how has Australia Zoo changed over the years; from a back garden zoo into a real one with a crocodile arena. God bless Steve Irwin and what he managed to do in his short time.. |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by froz on Apr 20, 2008 22:28:26 GMT 1, Nice, My ex and I caught a baby Western Diamond back rattler (yes stupid I know) but he didnt seem to be really scared and he never tried attacking us. Nuff said we let him go a few days later. Was trying to save him from getting his head cut off by a shovel by the grounds people of the apartment complex. 
Nice, My ex and I caught a baby Western Diamond back rattler (yes stupid I know) but he didnt seem to be really scared and he never tried attacking us. Nuff said we let him go a few days later. Was trying to save him from getting his head cut off by a shovel by the grounds people of the apartment complex. |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by richy00 on Apr 20, 2008 22:41:09 GMT 1, ive been to australia zoo too, its pretty cool place. i have a house on mt tambourine in QLD and we have snakes about all the time, my girlfriend has 7 of them in her house too, but i cant stand them, far too scary... im fine with my tortoise!!
ive been to australia zoo too, its pretty cool place. i have a house on mt tambourine in QLD and we have snakes about all the time, my girlfriend has 7 of them in her house too, but i cant stand them, far too scary... im fine with my tortoise!!
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by dmandpenfold on Apr 20, 2008 23:56:47 GMT 1, tortoise...did you meet Harriet at Aus Zoo? apparently 175 years old (until she died in 2006). Legend has it Charles Darwin brought the beast from the Galapagos to the UK and she eventually ended up in Australia, imagine that being old enough to have met Mr Darwin
tortoise...did you meet Harriet at Aus Zoo? apparently 175 years old (until she died in 2006). Legend has it Charles Darwin brought the beast from the Galapagos to the UK and she eventually ended up in Australia, imagine that being old enough to have met Mr Darwin
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by welshboy on Apr 21, 2008 8:39:04 GMT 1, Hmmm.Nice eggs on toast for a change!!
Hmmm.Nice eggs on toast for a change!!
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by stillborncrisps on Apr 21, 2008 11:24:15 GMT 1, what i meant in my original post about having hets is that if your female snake is het for albino and you didnt know, there's a chance you may end up with some albinos in your first generation of offspring... which would be nice!
Ahh... got it. That'd be cool if she was, as I'm sure my mate doesn't know or hadn't even thought about if she's carrying the het for albino.
I'm gonna get on to my mate to start breeding properly just for the fun of such surprises - it's better than opening xmas presents. ;D
what i meant in my original post about having hets is that if your female snake is het for albino and you didnt know, there's a chance you may end up with some albinos in your first generation of offspring... which would be nice! Ahh... got it. That'd be cool if she was, as I'm sure my mate doesn't know or hadn't even thought about if she's carrying the het for albino. I'm gonna get on to my mate to start breeding properly just for the fun of such surprises - it's better than opening xmas presents. ;D |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by snakes on May 11, 2008 10:41:56 GMT 1, Just a tad over two weeks till hatching.
Wondering what the little blighters will look like? Will they look closer to diamond pythons (like the mothers sister), look like a mix between the two (the mother) or more like a true jungle carpet (the father)?
Only time shall tell, eh!
ps. will be flipping a few once they have had their post hatching shed and have settled into a regular feeding pattern.
Just a tad over two weeks till hatching.
Wondering what the little blighters will look like? Will they look closer to diamond pythons (like the mothers sister), look like a mix between the two (the mother) or more like a true jungle carpet (the father)?
Only time shall tell, eh!
ps. will be flipping a few once they have had their post hatching shed and have settled into a regular feeding pattern.
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by discoduster on May 11, 2008 13:22:22 GMT 1, Please don't keep them in one basket.
Do you know Slash? he loves snakes aswell, you two should go bowling.
Please don't keep them in one basket.
Do you know Slash? he loves snakes aswell, you two should go bowling.
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by dmandpenfold on May 12, 2008 12:54:21 GMT 1, Please don't keep them in one basket. Do you know Slash? he loves snakes aswell, you two should go bowling.
they did last week, seen in Lawn Bowls Digest.
Please don't keep them in one basket. Do you know Slash? he loves snakes aswell, you two should go bowling. they did last week, seen in Lawn Bowls Digest. |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by streetgirl on May 12, 2008 13:10:00 GMT 1, Hey Snakes,
Congrats. Coincidentally I had a snake question last night.
Was flicking through channels and caught a couple of minutes of Bear Grylls in Panama, he'd literally just caught this small bluish snake and bit it's head off, discarded it. And whilst the body was still writhing around (muscle contortions), he bit into it and chewed on.
Any idea what snake that was?
Hey Snakes,
Congrats. Coincidentally I had a snake question last night.
Was flicking through channels and caught a couple of minutes of Bear Grylls in Panama, he'd literally just caught this small bluish snake and bit it's head off, discarded it. And whilst the body was still writhing around (muscle contortions), he bit into it and chewed on.
Any idea what snake that was?
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by dmandpenfold on May 12, 2008 13:11:58 GMT 1, grylls is weird he's always eating stuff that's still wriggly
grylls is weird he's always eating stuff that's still wriggly
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by streetgirl on May 12, 2008 14:19:38 GMT 1, Agreed dm - kinda grosses me out, but can't help watching.
Led to a debate with friends over whether, put in that situation, you'd bite into the live snake or squeeze the juice out of dung for hydration.
I went with the dung.
Agreed dm - kinda grosses me out, but can't help watching. Led to a debate with friends over whether, put in that situation, you'd bite into the live snake or squeeze the juice out of dung for hydration. I went with the dung. |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by dmandpenfold on May 12, 2008 21:06:02 GMT 1, hmmmmm bum juice.... 
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by snakes on May 12, 2008 22:33:00 GMT 1, Hey Snakes, Congrats. Coincidentally I had a snake question last night. Was flicking through channels and caught a couple of minutes of Bear Grylls in Panama, he'd literally just caught this small bluish snake and bit it's head off, discarded it. And whilst the body was still writhing around (muscle contortions), he bit into it and chewed on. Any idea what snake that was?
I dont know as I did not see it but I hope it gave the twerp the squits ;D
Hey Snakes, Congrats. Coincidentally I had a snake question last night. Was flicking through channels and caught a couple of minutes of Bear Grylls in Panama, he'd literally just caught this small bluish snake and bit it's head off, discarded it. And whilst the body was still writhing around (muscle contortions), he bit into it and chewed on. Any idea what snake that was? I dont know as I did not see it but I hope it gave the twerp the squits ;D |
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by snakes on May 17, 2008 8:48:32 GMT 1, Bear Grylls aside as he is a prize plum the first on the snakes hatched yesterday.
There is a further one sticking his head out of the egg this morning and hopefully the other four will be out within the next few days..
Bear Grylls aside as he is a prize plum the first on the snakes hatched yesterday.
There is a further one sticking his head out of the egg this morning and hopefully the other four will be out within the next few days..
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by displaced bear on May 17, 2008 10:00:57 GMT 1, show some pics snakes!
show some pics snakes!
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by Heavyconsumer on May 17, 2008 20:44:39 GMT 1, Hello little snakey!
Congrats Snakes, you must be very proud!
Hello little snakey!
Congrats Snakes, you must be very proud!
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by snakes on May 17, 2008 20:47:58 GMT 1, Yeah it's good to see them slit the egg and pop their head out and see the world for the first time.
Shame the first thing they see is my ugly mug and the inside of a pack lunch box!
Yeah it's good to see them slit the egg and pop their head out and see the world for the first time.
Shame the first thing they see is my ugly mug and the inside of a pack lunch box!
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by corndoll on May 17, 2008 20:54:25 GMT 1, AAhhh I want one- but not really practical.
How big are they when they first hatch?
Congratulations BTW
AAhhh I want one- but not really practical.
How big are they when they first hatch?
Congratulations BTW
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by bobbyt23 on May 17, 2008 21:18:26 GMT 1, Cool picture Snakes. Keep em coming. I want to see their progress.
Cool picture Snakes. Keep em coming. I want to see their progress.
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SNAKES HAS EGGS !!!!! EGG WATCH !!!, by snakes on May 18, 2008 9:45:53 GMT 1, A very pleasant surprise as this egg has twins ;D
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