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are we all going crazy., by felix on May 19, 2008 21:53:02 GMT 1, Huh!? where do I buy these computers... LOL -- yeah i wish !! i think you know i missed a zero - shoudlve been £1000 Ahh I see!
My 2 pence to the thread. Buy what you like and what you can afford. Don't live beyond your means, i.e. I know some people who quite happily spend £500 on a print - but then struggle to pay their mortgage/rent. DON'T buy with your credit card (I shred all mine along time ago!).
Work hard and be nice to people.
Huh!? where do I buy these computers... LOL -- yeah i wish !! i think you know i missed a zero - shoudlve been £1000 Ahh I see! My 2 pence to the thread. Buy what you like and what you can afford. Don't live beyond your means, i.e. I know some people who quite happily spend £500 on a print - but then struggle to pay their mortgage/rent. DON'T buy with your credit card (I shred all mine along time ago!). Work hard and be nice to people.
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spirit
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are we all going crazy., by spirit on May 19, 2008 21:54:52 GMT 1, One thing I would add is that I think the current tate modern exhibition is by far the biggest sign that this art that we love has at least made it into the history books. How big a chapter it gets remains to be seen.
One thing I would add is that I think the current tate modern exhibition is by far the biggest sign that this art that we love has at least made it into the history books. How big a chapter it gets remains to be seen.
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are we all going crazy., by clipit101 on May 19, 2008 21:58:52 GMT 1, Good point spirit. All i'll say is its still a very exciting time for this genre of art
Good point spirit. All i'll say is its still a very exciting time for this genre of art
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are we all going crazy., by slowmo on May 19, 2008 23:42:26 GMT 1, no
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are we all going crazy., by aginghippie on May 20, 2008 0:11:35 GMT 1, That is doubtless true if you have a lot of money to invest - but you can't buy many artists work with a ten year auction history for a couple of hundred quid can you. A lot of the attraction of this scene as an investment is that people are hoping they are getting in early and that their relatively small investments now will be worth a fortune years down the line. this is the danger you need a good eye to sort the gems from the s**te, and not everyone has it True, and not just that but you also need to be able to know what will be thought a gem in ten years time.
I buy this work because I like it and would never dream of buying it as an investment. With money I can't afford to lose I buy more expensive works because wall space is the limiting factor so I can adjust my budget to fill that space. Why have work you are never going to hang, better to sell some every so often and change it.
That is doubtless true if you have a lot of money to invest - but you can't buy many artists work with a ten year auction history for a couple of hundred quid can you. A lot of the attraction of this scene as an investment is that people are hoping they are getting in early and that their relatively small investments now will be worth a fortune years down the line. this is the danger you need a good eye to sort the gems from the s**te, and not everyone has it True, and not just that but you also need to be able to know what will be thought a gem in ten years time. I buy this work because I like it and would never dream of buying it as an investment. With money I can't afford to lose I buy more expensive works because wall space is the limiting factor so I can adjust my budget to fill that space. Why have work you are never going to hang, better to sell some every so often and change it.
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are we all going crazy., by giiiant on May 20, 2008 0:22:55 GMT 1, in every art movement it's normal to have the good and the bad but 'urban art' takes it to a whole new level - worst of all is the fact people buy it all up anyway, giving artists no motivation to improve and setting the quality standard ridiculously low
in every art movement it's normal to have the good and the bad but 'urban art' takes it to a whole new level - worst of all is the fact people buy it all up anyway, giving artists no motivation to improve and setting the quality standard ridiculously low
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are we all going crazy., by Gentle Mental on May 20, 2008 2:20:09 GMT 1, As a movement, it's, 95% of the time, crass, shallow, obvious, loud, advertising-like, ugly, derivative.
Like a bad photocopy of warhol's pop.
Very unoriginal. And insignificant. Hard to see how this can survive a decade....
It's what i suspect... but really afraid to think so..
As a movement, it's, 95% of the time, crass, shallow, obvious, loud, advertising-like, ugly, derivative.
Like a bad photocopy of warhol's pop.
Very unoriginal. And insignificant. Hard to see how this can survive a decade....
It's what i suspect... but really afraid to think so..
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are we all going crazy., by leumasdarnley on May 20, 2008 2:35:09 GMT 1, I sleep well knowing that my Sickboy AP is safe in its tube under my bed....
I sleep well knowing that my Sickboy AP is safe in its tube under my bed....
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are we all going crazy., by bobbymeachamjr on May 20, 2008 6:56:13 GMT 1, in every art movement it's normal to have the good and the bad but 'urban art' takes it to a whole new level - worst of all is the fact people buy it all up anyway, giving artists no motivation to improve and setting the quality standard ridiculously low
100% dead on. Especially that very last statement...
in every art movement it's normal to have the good and the bad but 'urban art' takes it to a whole new level - worst of all is the fact people buy it all up anyway, giving artists no motivation to improve and setting the quality standard ridiculously low 100% dead on. Especially that very last statement...
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weeble
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are we all going crazy., by weeble on May 20, 2008 7:36:53 GMT 1, I sleep well knowing that my Sickboy AP is safe in its tube under my bed....
well don't be - keeping it rolled up like that for the next 5 years aint gonna help it! Get it on the bloody wall!
I sleep well knowing that my Sickboy AP is safe in its tube under my bed.... well don't be - keeping it rolled up like that for the next 5 years aint gonna help it! Get it on the bloody wall!
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r1
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are we all going crazy., by r1 on May 20, 2008 7:57:07 GMT 1, Surely your meant to buy a piece of art because you like it, Then weather it increases of decreases in value, it doesn't matter because it means something to you. But i do think the movement is just going to keep rising, becoming more popular with the masses, major galleries are beginning to show an interest and i think this is only the beginning.
Surely your meant to buy a piece of art because you like it, Then weather it increases of decreases in value, it doesn't matter because it means something to you. But i do think the movement is just going to keep rising, becoming more popular with the masses, major galleries are beginning to show an interest and i think this is only the beginning.
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low3
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are we all going crazy., by low3 on May 20, 2008 12:57:27 GMT 1, As i see it, you should buy art because you like it; price is irrelevant to a certain degree. you're buying it (or should be) because you like the artwork, and are happy that you'll be getting value for money for it in terms of enjoying it for years to come. if you like it now, chances are you'll like in ten years time. I think the only people who will get their fingers burnt are those that buy art and hide it away to never see the light of day, and expect it to be an appreciating asset, and those who buy stuff at over inflated prices with the notion that it'll be worth more than they paid for it i years to come.
at the end of the day, these people aren't really buying art for how it makes them feel, they're just trying to make some money. If you buy something you like and then it does go up in value: BONUS!!! If it doesn't: SO WHAT?! at least you've had the pleasure of looking at it and appreciating it!!
It does seem at the mo though there are some expensive and not very good prints about....
BUYER BEWARE!!!
As i see it, you should buy art because you like it; price is irrelevant to a certain degree. you're buying it (or should be) because you like the artwork, and are happy that you'll be getting value for money for it in terms of enjoying it for years to come. if you like it now, chances are you'll like in ten years time. I think the only people who will get their fingers burnt are those that buy art and hide it away to never see the light of day, and expect it to be an appreciating asset, and those who buy stuff at over inflated prices with the notion that it'll be worth more than they paid for it i years to come.
at the end of the day, these people aren't really buying art for how it makes them feel, they're just trying to make some money. If you buy something you like and then it does go up in value: BONUS!!! If it doesn't: SO WHAT?! at least you've had the pleasure of looking at it and appreciating it!!
It does seem at the mo though there are some expensive and not very good prints about....
BUYER BEWARE!!!
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are we all going crazy., by dh on May 20, 2008 13:50:57 GMT 1, I am not going to lie and say I don't mind if it's worthless in years to come. I like to have art on the wall but I also like knowing that its worth what I paid for it on the market.
I am not going to lie and say I don't mind if it's worthless in years to come. I like to have art on the wall but I also like knowing that its worth what I paid for it on the market.
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are we all going crazy., by leumasdarnley on May 20, 2008 20:08:02 GMT 1, I sleep well knowing that my Sickboy AP is safe in its tube under my bed.... well don't be - keeping it rolled up like that for the next 5 years aint gonna help it! Get it on the bloody wall! that is a nice frame job though weeble sorry for the sarcasm but the 200+ quid for a Sickboy A/P made my eyes cross. Don't get me wrong good street artist but...
I sleep well knowing that my Sickboy AP is safe in its tube under my bed.... well don't be - keeping it rolled up like that for the next 5 years aint gonna help it! Get it on the bloody wall! that is a nice frame job though weeble sorry for the sarcasm but the 200+ quid for a Sickboy A/P made my eyes cross. Don't get me wrong good street artist but...
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weeble
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are we all going crazy., by weeble on May 20, 2008 20:53:42 GMT 1, well don't be - keeping it rolled up like that for the next 5 years aint gonna help it! Get it on the bloody wall! that is a nice frame job though weeble sorry for the sarcasm but the 200+ quid for a Sickboy A/P made my eyes cross. Don't get me wrong good street artist but...[/quote haha yeah i was only playin with ya lol. i think you're probably right about the price tho. i like his stuff, and i also like getting his stuff on my walls cause he's a local lad an all that.
well don't be - keeping it rolled up like that for the next 5 years aint gonna help it! Get it on the bloody wall! that is a nice frame job though weeble sorry for the sarcasm but the 200+ quid for a Sickboy A/P made my eyes cross. Don't get me wrong good street artist but...[/quote haha yeah i was only playin with ya lol. i think you're probably right about the price tho. i like his stuff, and i also like getting his stuff on my walls cause he's a local lad an all that.
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are we all going crazy., by angryboy on May 20, 2008 21:17:27 GMT 1, Looking at other art movements is there any history of 1 of 500 couple of colour lithos and screenprints being worth loads of money (enough to qualify their few thousand cost now as an invetsment) in years to come? It's not something I'm at all knowledgeable on.
I see original art from this scene moving onwards and upwards to proper big prices but find it hard to see (albeit based on nothing but a feeling) all these 500 editions going onwards and upwards beyond the few thousand some are selling at already.
Looking at other art movements is there any history of 1 of 500 couple of colour lithos and screenprints being worth loads of money (enough to qualify their few thousand cost now as an invetsment) in years to come? It's not something I'm at all knowledgeable on.
I see original art from this scene moving onwards and upwards to proper big prices but find it hard to see (albeit based on nothing but a feeling) all these 500 editions going onwards and upwards beyond the few thousand some are selling at already.
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low3
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are we all going crazy., by low3 on May 21, 2008 1:10:08 GMT 1, The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as shit artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive.
£250 for a cartrain anyone???
Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar!
The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as shit artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive.
£250 for a cartrain anyone???
Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar!
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are we all going crazy., by Deleted on May 21, 2008 13:08:09 GMT 1, The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as s**t artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive. £250 for a cartrain anyone??? Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar!
I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about, and i have been working now on street art for the past 3 years this is the first time i have ever sold anything with a gallery and i stand by the price of £250 i think its good value for money
The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as s**t artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive. £250 for a cartrain anyone??? Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar! I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about, and i have been working now on street art for the past 3 years this is the first time i have ever sold anything with a gallery and i stand by the price of £250 i think its good value for money
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are we all going crazy., by hopelessquest on May 21, 2008 14:10:08 GMT 1, I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about Cartrain: tip of the day, don't refer to yourself in the third person, it makes you sound like a complete tosser.
I think if you purchase something in the "urban art" category for the asthetic, then you are mostly fine, who cares about the projected value of the thing, if however you purchase a piece and the value is important to you then you need to figure out how the art world applies value to art (since you will now be operating in their sphere). Mostly it is down to good old supply and demand, which is why hype is a factor, so interesting content or an artist with an interesting story are all good to keep the hype machine churning and interest high enough to make sure demand exceeds supply, the main factors however in valuation of art after they have been sold by the original artist (it would seem to me), are the age of the piece, amount of time the artist has been at it, and how long the artist will still be at it (or if they are dead, which helps). If you choose "urban art" as an investment, then treat it as such and do your homework, even then, like all investments, there is an element of risk, but no risk... no reward.
I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about Cartrain: tip of the day, don't refer to yourself in the third person, it makes you sound like a complete tosser. I think if you purchase something in the "urban art" category for the asthetic, then you are mostly fine, who cares about the projected value of the thing, if however you purchase a piece and the value is important to you then you need to figure out how the art world applies value to art (since you will now be operating in their sphere). Mostly it is down to good old supply and demand, which is why hype is a factor, so interesting content or an artist with an interesting story are all good to keep the hype machine churning and interest high enough to make sure demand exceeds supply, the main factors however in valuation of art after they have been sold by the original artist (it would seem to me), are the age of the piece, amount of time the artist has been at it, and how long the artist will still be at it (or if they are dead, which helps). If you choose "urban art" as an investment, then treat it as such and do your homework, even then, like all investments, there is an element of risk, but no risk... no reward.
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are we all going crazy., by Montubu7 on May 21, 2008 14:13:15 GMT 1, The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as s**t artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive. £250 for a cartrain anyone??? Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar! I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about, and i have been working now on street art for the past 3 years this is the first time i have ever sold anything with a gallery and i stand by the price of £250 i think its good value for money
I think your credit is deserved Copyright, you have spent a long time on the streets building a style & fair play now is the time to have a good show & sell some good art & make a few quid.
Cartrain still needs to develop his style & imo he is nowhere near ready for a pricepoint of £250 based on the the quality of work seen so far. BUT if he keeps developing his style & moving forward he may have a good future ahead of him?
Fair play to him he is very young ( i do believe he has been this age for the past 2 years tho?) so he has pretty much all the time in the world to move forward.
The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as s**t artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive. £250 for a cartrain anyone??? Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar! I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about, and i have been working now on street art for the past 3 years this is the first time i have ever sold anything with a gallery and i stand by the price of £250 i think its good value for money I think your credit is deserved Copyright, you have spent a long time on the streets building a style & fair play now is the time to have a good show & sell some good art & make a few quid. Cartrain still needs to develop his style & imo he is nowhere near ready for a pricepoint of £250 based on the the quality of work seen so far. BUT if he keeps developing his style & moving forward he may have a good future ahead of him? Fair play to him he is very young ( i do believe he has been this age for the past 2 years tho?) so he has pretty much all the time in the world to move forward.
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are we all going crazy., by cashman on May 21, 2008 14:37:26 GMT 1, longterm your moneys far better with originals, its a no brainer
longterm your moneys far better with originals, its a no brainer
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are we all going crazy., by nixon451 on May 21, 2008 19:01:38 GMT 1, The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as s**t artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive. £250 for a cartrain anyone??? Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar! I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about, and i have been working now on street art for the past 3 years this is the first time i have ever sold anything with a gallery and i stand by the price of £250 i think its good value for money
You are wrong.
The bit that's getting to me is the fact that some newer artists and some not so new but equally as s**t artists seem to be jumping on the cash cow and releasing sub-standard prints and non-imaginative work at over inflated prices because the whole "urban art" scene seems to be on an up. All this will do is make the nicer stuff that more people like, even more expensive. £250 for a cartrain anyone??? Spend a few years building a fan base with some good work before you bow to the almighty dollar! I think all of us here have established that cartrain is not jumping on this cash cow you talk about, and i have been working now on street art for the past 3 years this is the first time i have ever sold anything with a gallery and i stand by the price of £250 i think its good value for money You are wrong.
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are we all going crazy., by bmjt on May 21, 2008 19:47:57 GMT 1, My opinion: Very poor value for money. Sorry.
This work is mediocre art GSCE level for me, in regards to skill, message and composition.
My opinion: Very poor value for money. Sorry.
This work is mediocre art GSCE level for me, in regards to skill, message and composition.
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