rydal
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by rydal on Apr 8, 2008 13:17:32 GMT 1, I'm embarrassed to admit this but I'm still not really sure what constitutes "an original", the way I see it there are several types of work that could be regarded as an original?
(1) A true, one off piece, un-numbered produced by the artists own hand rather than a print. This is what I think of as an original.
(2) A print that is numbered 1/1. Although a one-off is this an original? Why the need to number it all? Can a print ever be an original? What about when it is rehashed by the artist as with the Dface collages?
(3) A run of say 20 canvasses that have each been individually produced by hand. Is each of these an original despite being part of a numbered edition??
Is there a right and wrong answer or is it a matter of indivual interpretation?
Just curious, all views welcomed. Cheers.
I'm embarrassed to admit this but I'm still not really sure what constitutes "an original", the way I see it there are several types of work that could be regarded as an original?
(1) A true, one off piece, un-numbered produced by the artists own hand rather than a print. This is what I think of as an original.
(2) A print that is numbered 1/1. Although a one-off is this an original? Why the need to number it all? Can a print ever be an original? What about when it is rehashed by the artist as with the Dface collages?
(3) A run of say 20 canvasses that have each been individually produced by hand. Is each of these an original despite being part of a numbered edition??
Is there a right and wrong answer or is it a matter of indivual interpretation?
Just curious, all views welcomed. Cheers.
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seidbereit
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by seidbereit on Apr 8, 2008 13:29:36 GMT 1, I've often wondered about it myself and my take on it is
1) is defintely an original (although I don't think it makes any difference if they number it 1/1 - I think every artist has their own way of marking pieces) - especially if it's something like a Denning, where none of the works are done in editions. Similarly works like the Blek le Rat monoprints (even though there are 20 of them) all count as originals for me.
2) I actually have a print marked AP 1/1 where the artist originally intended to do an edition run but then abandoned the plan, therefore - to me at any rate - it counts as an original as there is no other copy of it in any form.
3) I would tend to say editioned canvases are originals purely because they'll all differ in some way from the others in the edition.
I've often wondered about it myself and my take on it is
1) is defintely an original (although I don't think it makes any difference if they number it 1/1 - I think every artist has their own way of marking pieces) - especially if it's something like a Denning, where none of the works are done in editions. Similarly works like the Blek le Rat monoprints (even though there are 20 of them) all count as originals for me.
2) I actually have a print marked AP 1/1 where the artist originally intended to do an edition run but then abandoned the plan, therefore - to me at any rate - it counts as an original as there is no other copy of it in any form.
3) I would tend to say editioned canvases are originals purely because they'll all differ in some way from the others in the edition.
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by Daniel Silk on Apr 8, 2008 13:29:58 GMT 1, I guess you can have an edition of Originals a run of prints or canvases that are of the same image, but each one is slightly different.
I guess you can have an edition of Originals a run of prints or canvases that are of the same image, but each one is slightly different.
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by manchestermike on Apr 8, 2008 13:34:59 GMT 1, I think the big differential is between "original" and "one-off"
I think the big differential is between "original" and "one-off"
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by Agent Provocateur on Apr 8, 2008 13:35:32 GMT 1, mmm
i think i have a slightly more simplistic view on this... isn't an original anything that an artist produces, whether:
a street piece a one-off canvas a series of canvases a limited edition print (any number)
they are all originals by the artists. what are not originals are:
an unlimited litho version of an original (see above) a copy by someone else a fake
mmm i think i have a slightly more simplistic view on this... isn't an original anything that an artist produces, whether: a street piece a one-off canvas a series of canvases a limited edition print (any number) they are all originals by the artists. what are not originals are: an unlimited litho version of an original (see above) a copy by someone else a fake
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rydal
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by rydal on Apr 8, 2008 13:48:49 GMT 1, To my mind at least, I don't really see any print as an original. I feel an original must be produced by the artist and not by printers, a print certainly can be a "one off" or a 1/1 but an original??
To my mind at least, I don't really see any print as an original. I feel an original must be produced by the artist and not by printers, a print certainly can be a "one off" or a 1/1 but an original??
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by slowmo on Apr 8, 2008 13:59:21 GMT 1, To my mind at least, I don't really see any print as an original. I feel an original must be produced by the artist and not by printers, a print certainly can be a "one off" or a 1/1 but an original??
Many times the artist themselves create their own prints, Warhol used to (not always), it was a major part of his original works.
To my mind at least, I don't really see any print as an original. I feel an original must be produced by the artist and not by printers, a print certainly can be a "one off" or a 1/1 but an original?? Many times the artist themselves create their own prints, Warhol used to (not always), it was a major part of his original works.
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by onemandown72 on Apr 8, 2008 14:14:14 GMT 1, I think that this is down to each individual, and it almost seems that you are trying to use scarcity to increase the concept of being "Original". If you were to split hairs over this you have two seperate areas here:
1. The image / idea / concept itself. 2. The media it is produced in & who produced it.
In it's purest form the idea is thought of and then executed by the artist, regardless of how many times as each and everyone will be slightly different. (runs of handfinished prints are all finshed by the artist so in my mind all originals by the artist) With any print you've got the original image produced by the artist, then reproduced by whichever printhouse the work is given to, so whilst the image originally from the artist, the print is also an original of a printhouse (Banksy & POW for example)
I think that this becomes relevant when you are looking at owning a piece of art that has been created wholeheartedly by the artist and has as little outside input as possible - which goes back to my point on an artist owning the whole process from conception to execution
Bit long winded buyt I hope makes sense.
I think that this is down to each individual, and it almost seems that you are trying to use scarcity to increase the concept of being "Original". If you were to split hairs over this you have two seperate areas here:
1. The image / idea / concept itself. 2. The media it is produced in & who produced it.
In it's purest form the idea is thought of and then executed by the artist, regardless of how many times as each and everyone will be slightly different. (runs of handfinished prints are all finshed by the artist so in my mind all originals by the artist) With any print you've got the original image produced by the artist, then reproduced by whichever printhouse the work is given to, so whilst the image originally from the artist, the print is also an original of a printhouse (Banksy & POW for example)
I think that this becomes relevant when you are looking at owning a piece of art that has been created wholeheartedly by the artist and has as little outside input as possible - which goes back to my point on an artist owning the whole process from conception to execution
Bit long winded buyt I hope makes sense.
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by linderman on Apr 8, 2008 15:22:17 GMT 1, a print is a copy of the original therefore can not be called original in my opinion
a print is a copy of the original therefore can not be called original in my opinion
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seidbereit
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by seidbereit on Apr 8, 2008 15:29:24 GMT 1, To my mind at least, I don't really see any print as an original. I feel an original must be produced by the artist and not by printers, a print certainly can be a "one off" or a 1/1 but an original??
I'm not sure where a print stands where the image was produced by the artist on a computer and only printed once (as a giclee) as is the case with the print I refered to above. I suppose strictly speaking I'd have to have the computer file to have the original (or would I actually need his hard drive?). I do see what you mean about whether a print can be an original or not though.
To my mind at least, I don't really see any print as an original. I feel an original must be produced by the artist and not by printers, a print certainly can be a "one off" or a 1/1 but an original?? I'm not sure where a print stands where the image was produced by the artist on a computer and only printed once (as a giclee) as is the case with the print I refered to above. I suppose strictly speaking I'd have to have the computer file to have the original (or would I actually need his hard drive?). I do see what you mean about whether a print can be an original or not though.
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Eton Groover
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So what exactly is an "original"??, by Eton Groover on Apr 8, 2008 16:39:53 GMT 1, Good question,
i was looking for a faile original and had to phrase my question as "original/unique" not sure what i meant myself.
Basically something original should have the feel of the artists contribution to its being. ie they drew it, hand sprayed it etc. Hand finishing a print does not make it original as it is not 100% the artist.
When you see a van gogh you can really see where he has been in the brush strokes. If he hand painted two sunflowers it would not make them less original.
Obviously my opinion and i am not qualified to say really....but there you go.
Good question,
i was looking for a faile original and had to phrase my question as "original/unique" not sure what i meant myself.
Basically something original should have the feel of the artists contribution to its being. ie they drew it, hand sprayed it etc. Hand finishing a print does not make it original as it is not 100% the artist.
When you see a van gogh you can really see where he has been in the brush strokes. If he hand painted two sunflowers it would not make them less original.
Obviously my opinion and i am not qualified to say really....but there you go.
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