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Banksy wasn't the first, by anewspace on Feb 27, 2008 11:55:29 GMT 1, There so much hype at the moment about Banksy and the sale of street pieces that we have all got to remember this has all happened before.
Keith Haring was a street artist first and became hughly successful in his life time and even more so in his death.
But when his street works started being sold he - took a different route then destroying works or b**ching. He started doing public works such as play grounds and murals.
Anyway here's a picture of the great man at work in 1981
Go check him out on www.haring.com
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Sorry but I think people are missing my point
Ernest P. Ernest, Blek are all successful but not on the same level. Banksy is now an art star, for want of a better word.
What happening to his work has happened before. Haring and Basquiat were supported by Warhol, just as Banksy is being supported by Hirst. Street pieces were sold for silly money. Just like ebay now. But, Its what happen next, that important.
I think he has started to see the power of his position and that why we're seeing so much charity work. But I hope he can take inspiration from haring and develop his work in the public arena.
It must be annoying to always be working on the run.
Imagine a Banksy street piece that took a week to create.
Now that would be a great next step
There so much hype at the moment about Banksy and the sale of street pieces that we have all got to remember this has all happened before. Keith Haring was a street artist first and became hughly successful in his life time and even more so in his death. But when his street works started being sold he - took a different route then destroying works or b**ching. He started doing public works such as play grounds and murals. Anyway here's a picture of the great man at work in 1981 Go check him out on www.haring.comUpdate Sorry but I think people are missing my point Ernest P. Ernest, Blek are all successful but not on the same level. Banksy is now an art star, for want of a better word. What happening to his work has happened before. Haring and Basquiat were supported by Warhol, just as Banksy is being supported by Hirst. Street pieces were sold for silly money. Just like ebay now. But, Its what happen next, that important. I think he has started to see the power of his position and that why we're seeing so much charity work. But I hope he can take inspiration from haring and develop his work in the public arena. It must be annoying to always be working on the run. Imagine a Banksy street piece that took a week to create. Now that would be a great next step |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by moonmorals on Feb 27, 2008 12:27:09 GMT 1, Any nominations for the very first street artist then???
Does it need putting in sections...
Graffiti
Paste-up
Stencil
Alterations
My votes with caveman 
Any nominations for the very first street artist then??? Does it need putting in sections... Graffiti Paste-up Stencil Alterations My votes with caveman |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by leumasdarnley on Feb 27, 2008 12:34:37 GMT 1, Ron English was an early pioneer  even Banksy says most of his ideas Blek did many years ago so I don't think anyone ever said he was the first but cool picture
Ron English was an early pioneer even Banksy says most of his ideas Blek did many years ago so I don't think anyone ever said he was the first but cool picture |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Macdeee on Feb 27, 2008 12:36:12 GMT 1, Jean-Michel Basquiat's street work was also taken off the streets and sold for a massive profit in the 80's. This isnt new... Its just annoying.
Jean-Michel Basquiat's street work was also taken off the streets and sold for a massive profit in the 80's. This isnt new... Its just annoying.
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Trismanco on Feb 27, 2008 12:45:11 GMT 1, www.pignon-ernest.com/
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Banksy wasn't the first, by moonmorals on Feb 27, 2008 13:18:53 GMT 1, Thanks Romanywg, trismanco. Ernests' work looks amazing...
looks like i've learnt something today
Thanks Romanywg, trismanco. Ernests' work looks amazing... looks like i've learnt something today |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by anewspace on Feb 27, 2008 13:20:41 GMT 1, Sorry but I think people are missing my point
Ernest P. Ernest, Blek are all successful but not on the same level. Banksy is now an art star, for want of a better word.
What happening to his work has happened before. Haring and Basquiat were supported by Warhol, just as Banksy is being supported by Hirst. Street pieces were sold for silly money. Just like ebay now. But, Its what happen next, that important.
I think he has started to see the power of his position and that why we're seeing so much charity work. But I hope he can take inspiration from haring and develop his work in the public arena.
It must be annoying to always be working on the run.
Imagine a Banksy street piece that took a week to create.
Now that would be a great next step
Sorry but I think people are missing my point
Ernest P. Ernest, Blek are all successful but not on the same level. Banksy is now an art star, for want of a better word.
What happening to his work has happened before. Haring and Basquiat were supported by Warhol, just as Banksy is being supported by Hirst. Street pieces were sold for silly money. Just like ebay now. But, Its what happen next, that important.
I think he has started to see the power of his position and that why we're seeing so much charity work. But I hope he can take inspiration from haring and develop his work in the public arena.
It must be annoying to always be working on the run.
Imagine a Banksy street piece that took a week to create.
Now that would be a great next step
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Banksy wasn't the first, by leumasdarnley on Feb 27, 2008 13:46:46 GMT 1, Sorry but I think people are missing my point Ernest P. Ernest, Blek are all successful but not on the same level. Banksy is now an art star, for want of a better word. What happening to his work has happened before. Haring and Basquiat were supported by Warhol, just as Banksy is being supported by Hirst. Street pieces were sold for silly money. Just like ebay now. But, Its what happen next, that important. I think he has started to see the power of his position and that why we're seeing so much charity work. But I hope he can take inspiration from haring and develop his work in the public arena. It must be annoying to always be working on the run. Imagine a Banksy street piece that took a week to create. Now that would be a great next step
Well I believe in todays world a street piece that takes a week to create results in jail time...  But I hear your point
Sorry but I think people are missing my point Ernest P. Ernest, Blek are all successful but not on the same level. Banksy is now an art star, for want of a better word. What happening to his work has happened before. Haring and Basquiat were supported by Warhol, just as Banksy is being supported by Hirst. Street pieces were sold for silly money. Just like ebay now. But, Its what happen next, that important. I think he has started to see the power of his position and that why we're seeing so much charity work. But I hope he can take inspiration from haring and develop his work in the public arena. It must be annoying to always be working on the run. Imagine a Banksy street piece that took a week to create. Now that would be a great next step Well I believe in todays world a street piece that takes a week to create results in jail time... But I hear your point |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by moonmorals on Feb 27, 2008 13:49:44 GMT 1, Sorry might have hijacked your post a bit Just made me wonder who people consider the first or the original Street Artist?
As far as your question goes 'What happens next', Only time will tell, although history has a habit of repeating itself so maybe look to artists like Blek and Ernest Pignon.
Sorry might have hijacked your post a bit Just made me wonder who people consider the first or the original Street Artist? As far as your question goes 'What happens next', Only time will tell, although history has a habit of repeating itself so maybe look to artists like Blek and Ernest Pignon. |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Jef Aerosol on Feb 27, 2008 13:50:37 GMT 1, I'm happy people start to mention Ernest on here at last ! I have already posted a lot about him and have insisted on how important he has been to urban art and what an inspiration he was when I started. He is an extremely nice and friendly man and I was tremendously happy and proud to exhibit my works near his in the "Section Urbaine" group show in Paris (2005). We exchange emails now and then and he's always so kind and supportive in his messages.
You should all purchase his amazing book, that was released last year. You'll find many books about him but that one is really the most incredible : it's awesome...
Ernest was the first one to stencil life size characters in 1966, on the Plateau d'Albion (Vaucluse, south of France). Then he switched to pasted screenprints, and also some very interesting and impressive experiences (the Arbrorigรจnes, etc.)
I would also like to mention another pioneer who has also always been very friendly with me and rang me in a very cool way when my book was released : Gรฉrard Zlotykamien, usually called "Zloty"... I met Zloty in 1992 when we all went to Leipzig (Germany) for that big stencil event (there was Blek, Miss Tic, VR, Epsylon, Zloty, Nice Art, myself...). Zloty started spraypainting on the streets in 1963 and he was a real inspiration to us all.
I think his work has never been recognized to its value.
His "ephemeres" are the very first street art pieces I saw, long ago, even before Ernest started, I think...
When I started in 1982, there was also my good friend Etienne (aka Epsylon Point) who had already been spraypainting in Paris and who still does. He's a mighty man.
I'm happy people start to mention Ernest on here at last ! I have already posted a lot about him and have insisted on how important he has been to urban art and what an inspiration he was when I started. He is an extremely nice and friendly man and I was tremendously happy and proud to exhibit my works near his in the "Section Urbaine" group show in Paris (2005). We exchange emails now and then and he's always so kind and supportive in his messages.
You should all purchase his amazing book, that was released last year. You'll find many books about him but that one is really the most incredible : it's awesome...
Ernest was the first one to stencil life size characters in 1966, on the Plateau d'Albion (Vaucluse, south of France). Then he switched to pasted screenprints, and also some very interesting and impressive experiences (the Arbrorigรจnes, etc.)
I would also like to mention another pioneer who has also always been very friendly with me and rang me in a very cool way when my book was released : Gรฉrard Zlotykamien, usually called "Zloty"... I met Zloty in 1992 when we all went to Leipzig (Germany) for that big stencil event (there was Blek, Miss Tic, VR, Epsylon, Zloty, Nice Art, myself...). Zloty started spraypainting on the streets in 1963 and he was a real inspiration to us all.
I think his work has never been recognized to its value.
His "ephemeres" are the very first street art pieces I saw, long ago, even before Ernest started, I think...
When I started in 1982, there was also my good friend Etienne (aka Epsylon Point) who had already been spraypainting in Paris and who still does. He's a mighty man.
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Simococo on Feb 27, 2008 14:08:56 GMT 1, great thread, great read
great thread, great read
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Banksy wasn't the first, by moonmorals on Feb 27, 2008 14:09:56 GMT 1,
Thats right....Art history isn't important 
Thats right....Art history isn't important |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by cashman on Feb 27, 2008 14:10:23 GMT 1, i also claim to be the first street artist, when I was vandalising trees, i can still see "AB 4 MT" etched in a tree near where i live, and I did that nearly 35 years ago!!! point is............... who gives a s**t?  ?
What are you doing here ??
Its called street art history and most people find this intresting.
i also claim to be the first street artist, when I was vandalising trees, i can still see "AB 4 MT" etched in a tree near where i live, and I did that nearly 35 years ago!!! point is............... who gives a s**t? ? What are you doing here ?? Its called street art history and most people find this intresting. |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by moonmorals on Feb 27, 2008 14:12:44 GMT 1, Thanks Jef...great post, really interesting
Thanks Jef...great post, really interesting |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by cashman on Feb 27, 2008 14:21:04 GMT 1, Thats right....Art history isn't important
if he wasnt boverd ....why take the time to write a shitty comment
U say art history isnt important but with out it we wouldnt have banksy today
Thats right....Art history isn't important if he wasnt boverd ....why take the time to write a shitty comment U say art history isnt important but with out it we wouldnt have banksy today |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by moonmorals on Feb 27, 2008 14:25:16 GMT 1, Sorry Cashman my sarcasm got the better of you!!
Sorry Cashman my sarcasm got the better of you!!
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Banksy wasn't the first, by cashman on Feb 27, 2008 14:41:16 GMT 1, Sorry Cashman my sarcasm got the better of you!!
sorry bro, ive not been up long ..... peaceout
Sorry Cashman my sarcasm got the better of you!! sorry bro, ive not been up long ..... peaceout |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by anewspace on Feb 27, 2008 15:02:56 GMT 1, Calm down, calm down !!!!!
Take a deep breath.
To answer your points -
I'm not bitching Banksy. I'm a fan but not a blind follower.
In the past 3 months Banksy has been involved in several high profile charity projects - Santa Ghetto / Graffle / Red Auction.
He collaborated with Hirst for the Red Auction and Hirst is a major collector of Banksys work. He has publicly endorsed Banksy in the papers, Tv and in the exhibitions he has curated. Hirst is a hugely influential collector and the most expensive living artist. He word carrys weight.
Haring works show up on Ebay all the time. But all that we're trying to do here is a have chat. If I've offended you in some way I'm sorry
Calm down, calm down !!!!!
Take a deep breath.
To answer your points -
I'm not bitching Banksy. I'm a fan but not a blind follower.
In the past 3 months Banksy has been involved in several high profile charity projects - Santa Ghetto / Graffle / Red Auction.
He collaborated with Hirst for the Red Auction and Hirst is a major collector of Banksys work. He has publicly endorsed Banksy in the papers, Tv and in the exhibitions he has curated. Hirst is a hugely influential collector and the most expensive living artist. He word carrys weight.
Haring works show up on Ebay all the time. But all that we're trying to do here is a have chat. If I've offended you in some way I'm sorry
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Rourke on Feb 27, 2008 16:13:20 GMT 1, Cheers romanywg, I think Ernest P. Ernest's are absolutely brilliant
Cheers romanywg, I think Ernest P. Ernest's are absolutely brilliant
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Banksy wasn't the first, by seidbereit on Feb 27, 2008 16:15:03 GMT 1, Great thread anewspace! Some great reading and names to look up.
My earliest personal experience with wall art was adding the words "are shit" under "M.U.F.C" on the inside of a pub toilet cubicle c. 1980 thus predating alsbaber.
Great thread anewspace! Some great reading and names to look up. My earliest personal experience with wall art was adding the words "are shit" under "M.U.F.C" on the inside of a pub toilet cubicle c. 1980 thus predating alsbaber. |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by romanywg on Feb 27, 2008 16:23:21 GMT 1, My first sight of graffiti was 'Cats like plain crisps' in the early 70's all around Richmond, Surrey.
My first sight of graffiti was 'Cats like plain crisps' in the early 70's all around Richmond, Surrey.
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Rourke on Feb 27, 2008 16:35:32 GMT 1, Bit off track...
But
I think the first graffiti in my memory were N. ireland stuff on the walls.
Really powerful suff.
They always stick out in my mind.
Does anybody no any links, or artists that did this stuff?
Bit off track...
But
I think the first graffiti in my memory were N. ireland stuff on the walls.
Really powerful suff.
They always stick out in my mind.
Does anybody no any links, or artists that did this stuff?
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Banksy wasn't the first, by anewspace on Feb 27, 2008 17:03:40 GMT 1, I used to remember lots of that stuff up in Belfast and you see stuff sprayed around Dublin. But here's some examples of murals in Belfast. They used to be every where in both areas
These image are not meant to offend
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Rourke on Feb 27, 2008 17:11:12 GMT 1, Thankyou anewspace, top 2, hit home, (bloody sunday?)
where did you find em, have you got any links
Thankyou anewspace, top 2, hit home, (bloody sunday?)
where did you find em, have you got any links
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Banksy wasn't the first, by anewspace on Feb 27, 2008 17:44:36 GMT 1, Those were done in the last 10 years by guys call Bogside Artists
www.bogsideartists.com
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Banksy wasn't the first, by Rourke on Feb 27, 2008 17:47:40 GMT 1, Thankyou 
Thankyou |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by jamesreeve5 on Feb 27, 2008 18:26:36 GMT 1, I don't think that anewspace was really trying to tell everyone that Haring was the first significant graffiti artist, but to continue a thread that has already been hijacked...
Any real art historian will tell you that this is obviously the first graffiti!
but in all seriousness...
The first modern (from a spray can) NY graffiti came from artists whose signature was a piece or permutatuion of their name followed by the street they lived on. The most famous of these probably being Taki 183. (No money)
Then came artists like Dondi White and Futura. (Little money)
Then Basquiat and Haring. (Lots of money).
and to help anewspace's point out a little here, the banksy / hirst collaboration isn't all that original...
I don't think that anewspace was really trying to tell everyone that Haring was the first significant graffiti artist, but to continue a thread that has already been hijacked... Any real art historian will tell you that this is obviously the first graffiti! but in all seriousness... The first modern (from a spray can) NY graffiti came from artists whose signature was a piece or permutatuion of their name followed by the street they lived on. The most famous of these probably being Taki 183. (No money) Then came artists like Dondi White and Futura. (Little money) Then Basquiat and Haring. (Lots of money). and to help anewspace's point out a little here, the banksy / hirst collaboration isn't all that original... |
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Banksy wasn't the first, by teatwosugars on Feb 27, 2008 22:14:35 GMT 1, i also claim to be the first street artist, when I was vandalising trees, i can still see "AB 4 MT" etched in a tree near where i live, and I did that nearly 35 years ago!!! point is............... who gives a s**t? ?
Maggie Thatcher?
i also claim to be the first street artist, when I was vandalising trees, i can still see "AB 4 MT" etched in a tree near where i live, and I did that nearly 35 years ago!!! point is............... who gives a s**t? ? Maggie Thatcher? |
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even Banksy says most of his ideas Blek did many years ago so I don't think anyone ever said he was the first but cool picture 
But I hear your point
