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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 11:07:02 GMT 1, I know there's a few arsenal fans on here. just wondering what there views on Martin Taylor are after all the media initial reaction has died down. I really feel for eduardo & it was apparent to see that it was a bad injury but i can't believe how people think it was intentional - i've looked at his disciplinary record, only 3 yellows this sesaon & the last time he received a straight red was 8 and a half years ago. The lad just got dazzled by eduardo's super quick feet in my opinion.
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I know there's a few arsenal fans on here. just wondering what there views on Martin Taylor are after all the media initial reaction has died down. I really feel for eduardo & it was apparent to see that it was a bad injury but i can't believe how people think it was intentional - i've looked at his disciplinary record, only 3 yellows this sesaon & the last time he received a straight red was 8 and a half years ago. The lad just got dazzled by eduardo's super quick feet in my opinion.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by pezlow on Feb 25, 2008 11:16:25 GMT 1, I'm sure he didn't mean to injure the bloke but if you go in studs showing and hit someone at shin height then it is very dangerous and you can injure people. For lawrenson to say it was "just clumsy" is ridiculous.
Wenger's analogy with murder was interesting because in order to be guilty of murder you don't have to "intend" to kill someone you only have to intend to commit GBH. Now with Taylor he may not have intended to injure Eduardo but he intended to foul him, intended to give him a kick etc. That is serious foul play and he should be punished accordingly.
I'm sure he didn't mean to injure the bloke but if you go in studs showing and hit someone at shin height then it is very dangerous and you can injure people. For lawrenson to say it was "just clumsy" is ridiculous.
Wenger's analogy with murder was interesting because in order to be guilty of murder you don't have to "intend" to kill someone you only have to intend to commit GBH. Now with Taylor he may not have intended to injure Eduardo but he intended to foul him, intended to give him a kick etc. That is serious foul play and he should be punished accordingly.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by shower on Feb 25, 2008 11:24:08 GMT 1, he deserved a red card, it was a shocking challenge but taylor isnt a dirty player. the injury to eduardo was awful and i really hope he makes a swift recovery! but you have seen similar challenges this year but with different outcomes, a red card yes but no broken leg. i think hanson summed up the event perfectly on motd...
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7261383.stm
he deserved a red card, it was a shocking challenge but taylor isnt a dirty player. the injury to eduardo was awful and i really hope he makes a swift recovery! but you have seen similar challenges this year but with different outcomes, a red card yes but no broken leg. i think hanson summed up the event perfectly on motd... news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7261383.stm
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Eduardo Da Silva, by manchestermike on Feb 25, 2008 11:33:12 GMT 1, He wasn't going to get a red card until the referee saw the injury... watch the replay of it on match of the day and the ref doesn't go for it until he sees the break. Likewise there was no major uproar like their would be if the players thought it was a bad tackle
The actual tackle was going to get him booked, it was slightly late, but there was no malice in it. Half a second earlier or later Eduardo would have got up and carried on. Taylor would have been booked, at the most and the game would have carried on. Taylor caught him at just the wrong point in the tackle.
He wasn't going to get a red card until the referee saw the injury... watch the replay of it on match of the day and the ref doesn't go for it until he sees the break. Likewise there was no major uproar like their would be if the players thought it was a bad tackle
The actual tackle was going to get him booked, it was slightly late, but there was no malice in it. Half a second earlier or later Eduardo would have got up and carried on. Taylor would have been booked, at the most and the game would have carried on. Taylor caught him at just the wrong point in the tackle.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Macdeee on Feb 25, 2008 11:37:33 GMT 1, This injury could and most probably WILL end Eduardo's carreer... I think he should be punished... Not sure how, but something needs to be done in order to try to stop this sort of thing happening. A look at his past disciplinary record doesnt really mean much. He didnt mean to break his leg, but it happened because he whent in studs showing. A pretty rough day on saturday for all us gooners.
Still gonna have the league though!
This injury could and most probably WILL end Eduardo's carreer... I think he should be punished... Not sure how, but something needs to be done in order to try to stop this sort of thing happening. A look at his past disciplinary record doesnt really mean much. He didnt mean to break his leg, but it happened because he whent in studs showing. A pretty rough day on saturday for all us gooners.
Still gonna have the league though!
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Eduardo Da Silva, by manchestermike on Feb 25, 2008 11:50:40 GMT 1, This injury could and most probably WILL end Eduardo's carreer... I think he should be punished... Not sure how, but something needs to be done in order to try to stop this sort of thing happening. A look at his past disciplinary record doesnt really mean much. He didnt mean to break his leg, but it happened because he whent in studs showing. A pretty rough day on saturday for all us gooners. Still gonna have the league though!
He already has been with the red card... It was an accident, there was no intention or malice in the tackle - like I said, until the ref saw the injury he wouldn't have got a red card... To further punish him would be totally wrong.
This injury could and most probably WILL end Eduardo's carreer... I think he should be punished... Not sure how, but something needs to be done in order to try to stop this sort of thing happening. A look at his past disciplinary record doesnt really mean much. He didnt mean to break his leg, but it happened because he whent in studs showing. A pretty rough day on saturday for all us gooners. Still gonna have the league though! He already has been with the red card... It was an accident, there was no intention or malice in the tackle - like I said, until the ref saw the injury he wouldn't have got a red card... To further punish him would be totally wrong.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Martin Whatson on Feb 25, 2008 11:55:28 GMT 1, This is what you risk when playing a sport of any kind. I feel really bad for Eduardo, but you know you can and probably WILL get injured when playing professional football. Same as when you do illegal streetart or graffiti, you know there is a risk of getting caught and getting fines!
But it did not look good at all! :S
This is what you risk when playing a sport of any kind. I feel really bad for Eduardo, but you know you can and probably WILL get injured when playing professional football. Same as when you do illegal streetart or graffiti, you know there is a risk of getting caught and getting fines!
But it did not look good at all! :S
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Eduardo Da Silva, by woodsman on Feb 25, 2008 12:03:18 GMT 1, As a blue's fan i know that Taylor isnโt a dirty player. He's a big man and slow, but not dirty.
As a blue's fan i know that Taylor isnโt a dirty player. He's a big man and slow, but not dirty.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 12:05:57 GMT 1, Everytime I have managed to watch a match in which eduado has been playing i've alway's been impressed & really hope he maked a comeback. it's also probably going to put an end to the loanee's wev'e had in the past. on another note i was glad we gave Bendtner a rousing reception. we would not be in the prem if it wasn't for performances last year from him, fabrice & larsson. the last third of the season is going to be interesting for all.
Everytime I have managed to watch a match in which eduado has been playing i've alway's been impressed & really hope he maked a comeback. it's also probably going to put an end to the loanee's wev'e had in the past. on another note i was glad we gave Bendtner a rousing reception. we would not be in the prem if it wasn't for performances last year from him, fabrice & larsson. the last third of the season is going to be interesting for all.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 12:06:45 GMT 1, As a blue's fan i know that Taylor isnโt a dirty player. He's a big man and slow, but not dirty.
Keep Right On
As a blue's fan i know that Taylor isnโt a dirty player. He's a big man and slow, but not dirty. Keep Right On
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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 12:10:57 GMT 1, alsabar... that's not what i saw at all - Taylor looked mortified in my opinion from all replays and pictures i've scoured.
alsabar... that's not what i saw at all - Taylor looked mortified in my opinion from all replays and pictures i've scoured.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Macdeee on Feb 25, 2008 12:23:26 GMT 1, I have gotta say... Taylor sure didn't look shocked or saddened by it. Smug? Maybe not, but this is potentially the end of a career he is looking at!
I have gotta say... Taylor sure didn't look shocked or saddened by it. Smug? Maybe not, but this is potentially the end of a career he is looking at!
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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 12:32:22 GMT 1, thanks alslabar, i would be gutted if we had such a player of eduardo's capability in our team so can understand that it would be renching for a arsenal fan to have been dealt this blow. i really thought your boy's would have really tried to put on a show with us down to 10 men but that's 2 draws this season now with us so 2 unexpected points gained from our point of view. what was your opinion of gallas at the end alslabar ?
thanks alslabar, i would be gutted if we had such a player of eduardo's capability in our team so can understand that it would be renching for a arsenal fan to have been dealt this blow. i really thought your boy's would have really tried to put on a show with us down to 10 men but that's 2 draws this season now with us so 2 unexpected points gained from our point of view. what was your opinion of gallas at the end alslabar ?
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Macdeee on Feb 25, 2008 12:37:44 GMT 1, By the way Alsbabar... Im an Armchair Arsenal supporter... Not every Arsenal supporter can be a Season ticket holder... the Emirates only holds 60,355. I still go to 5 or 6 games a season. A gooner is a gooner in my opinion.
By the way Alsbabar... Im an Armchair Arsenal supporter... Not every Arsenal supporter can be a Season ticket holder... the Emirates only holds 60,355. I still go to 5 or 6 games a season. A gooner is a gooner in my opinion.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by streetgirl on Feb 25, 2008 12:42:30 GMT 1, I think Hanson summed up Gallas' behaviour perfectly, saying that whilst Alex Ferguson would have hated to see the Eduardo injury, he would have loved seeing Gallas at the end, because that was all the evidence he needed of pressure showing and getting to Arsenal...that kind of stuff should be kept behind closed doors.
Alsabar, do you think he should get punished for his little display of petulance?
I think Hanson summed up Gallas' behaviour perfectly, saying that whilst Alex Ferguson would have hated to see the Eduardo injury, he would have loved seeing Gallas at the end, because that was all the evidence he needed of pressure showing and getting to Arsenal...that kind of stuff should be kept behind closed doors.
Alsabar, do you think he should get punished for his little display of petulance?
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Eduardo Da Silva, by pezlow on Feb 25, 2008 12:44:30 GMT 1, Alsbabar you really are talking a lot of sense on this thread. Maybe you should stick to football and not art
Where do you sit? I am east stand block 18 lower tier.
As for gallas I think he lost it completely. For me the real leader of that team is Flamini. he should be captain. Watch him for 5 mins during a match - he is always cajoling and encouraging all his teammates. He is a proper captain.
Alsbabar you really are talking a lot of sense on this thread. Maybe you should stick to football and not art Where do you sit? I am east stand block 18 lower tier. As for gallas I think he lost it completely. For me the real leader of that team is Flamini. he should be captain. Watch him for 5 mins during a match - he is always cajoling and encouraging all his teammates. He is a proper captain.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by pezlow on Feb 25, 2008 12:47:33 GMT 1, Likewise there was no major uproar like their would be if the players thought it was a bad tackle
In fairness Mike I think there was no major uproar because the players were so shocked by the nature of eduardo's injury.
Likewise there was no major uproar like their would be if the players thought it was a bad tackle In fairness Mike I think there was no major uproar because the players were so shocked by the nature of eduardo's injury.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 12:48:25 GMT 1, I agree with that, he sent the wrong message out in my opinion but hey it would be hard not to be frustrated. , think fabregas would be a good captain for you in the future. i also think that adebayor's relationship with bendtner is key for the next few games for you. really should have played him in for what would have been a tap in to put the game away. good luck for the rest of the season bro.
I agree with that, he sent the wrong message out in my opinion but hey it would be hard not to be frustrated. , think fabregas would be a good captain for you in the future. i also think that adebayor's relationship with bendtner is key for the next few games for you. really should have played him in for what would have been a tap in to put the game away. good luck for the rest of the season bro.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Macdeee on Feb 25, 2008 12:51:56 GMT 1, No worries Alsbaber... Im insanely jealous of season ticket holders. My first few years on this earth were spent a few doors away from Highbury.
Fair point about Gallas... Poor poor show in front of all the fans and the media. Captains need to be able to hide these raw feelings.
No worries Alsbaber... Im insanely jealous of season ticket holders. My first few years on this earth were spent a few doors away from Highbury.
Fair point about Gallas... Poor poor show in front of all the fans and the media. Captains need to be able to hide these raw feelings.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by pezlow on Feb 25, 2008 12:52:00 GMT 1, Fabregas is very quiet though - just like to do his own thing really. Adebayor and bendtner need to sort themselves out. Also when is Van Persie back???
Cheers for the good wishes, keep right on and hopefully you can avoid the drop too.
Fabregas is very quiet though - just like to do his own thing really. Adebayor and bendtner need to sort themselves out. Also when is Van Persie back???
Cheers for the good wishes, keep right on and hopefully you can avoid the drop too.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by crazyarsemother on Feb 25, 2008 12:57:29 GMT 1, emotions still running high on this one. Could not think about much else all weekend. Its horrific. It does not just with playing football. I have played for 18 years and never witnessed a tackle or injury like that. Its so true that if that had been Eduardo's tackle on good old honest 'he's just big and a bit slow' Taylor there would be outrage. If a player tackles like that legs get broken. Its typical that all the press do is concentrate on Wenger's and Gallas' reaction. I pray that he makes a recovery and has the career that he deserves. Its irrelevant that the ref was going to give him a yellow or nothing. The pictures and the results prove everything.
emotions still running high on this one. Could not think about much else all weekend. Its horrific. It does not just with playing football. I have played for 18 years and never witnessed a tackle or injury like that. Its so true that if that had been Eduardo's tackle on good old honest 'he's just big and a bit slow' Taylor there would be outrage. If a player tackles like that legs get broken. Its typical that all the press do is concentrate on Wenger's and Gallas' reaction. I pray that he makes a recovery and has the career that he deserves. Its irrelevant that the ref was going to give him a yellow or nothing. The pictures and the results prove everything.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by daveanthony28 on Feb 25, 2008 13:00:12 GMT 1, Thanks Pez. got a hopeful feeling now to be honest, apart from Wigans good form recently. ah flamini - so close we were to obtaining apparently and glad he's getting some decent time on the pitch for you. Think sky said van persie is a couple of weeks away !
Thanks Pez. got a hopeful feeling now to be honest, apart from Wigans good form recently. ah flamini - so close we were to obtaining apparently and glad he's getting some decent time on the pitch for you. Think sky said van persie is a couple of weeks away !
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Eduardo Da Silva, by graeme501 on Feb 25, 2008 13:05:37 GMT 1, backlash coming here
the tackle was bad but not that bad, was one footed and from a standing start, there has been much much worse this season in the premiership, edwardo was just unlucky he got such a bad injury
if he hadnt have broken his leg it would have been a yellow card and no1 would have remembered it
backlash coming here
the tackle was bad but not that bad, was one footed and from a standing start, there has been much much worse this season in the premiership, edwardo was just unlucky he got such a bad injury
if he hadnt have broken his leg it would have been a yellow card and no1 would have remembered it
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Eduardo Da Silva, by crazyarsemother on Feb 25, 2008 13:06:34 GMT 1, Who gives a f@.k what Hansen says or what Fergusons thinking. Sorry but its really upset me this one. I can't image how it must effect your collegues. Come on The Arsenal. I just hope they can get back to playing the football that has put them were they belong.
Who gives a f@.k what Hansen says or what Fergusons thinking. Sorry but its really upset me this one. I can't image how it must effect your collegues. Come on The Arsenal. I just hope they can get back to playing the football that has put them were they belong.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by crazyarsemother on Feb 25, 2008 13:10:31 GMT 1, I will make this my last post. Probably best. My view will never be balanced or objective on this one but that's the nature of the beast I guess. They may well have been worse tackles but that is no excuse IMO. There have been a lot of red cards dished out for lunge tackles this season and I think this proves the justification.
I will make this my last post. Probably best. My view will never be balanced or objective on this one but that's the nature of the beast I guess. They may well have been worse tackles but that is no excuse IMO. There have been a lot of red cards dished out for lunge tackles this season and I think this proves the justification.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by manchestermike on Feb 25, 2008 13:20:19 GMT 1, Likewise there was no major uproar like their would be if the players thought it was a bad tackle In fairness Mike I think there was no major uproar because the players were so shocked by the nature of eduardo's injury.
I meant immediately... look at any bad tackle and players are clamouring for cards before the player hits the deck. There was none of that here...
What Graeme says hits the nail on the head really.
I seriously feel for Eduardo, but I think it is very harsh to punish Taylor further
Likewise there was no major uproar like their would be if the players thought it was a bad tackle In fairness Mike I think there was no major uproar because the players were so shocked by the nature of eduardo's injury. I meant immediately... look at any bad tackle and players are clamouring for cards before the player hits the deck. There was none of that here... What Graeme says hits the nail on the head really. I seriously feel for Eduardo, but I think it is very harsh to punish Taylor further
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Eduardo Da Silva, by pezlow on Feb 25, 2008 13:25:11 GMT 1, other myself and Pez who else goes to the Arsenal, perhaps we should arrange to meet up, pre game beers?
Zippy is a season ticket holder too although we have not yet managed a meet up.
other myself and Pez who else goes to the Arsenal, perhaps we should arrange to meet up, pre game beers? Zippy is a season ticket holder too although we have not yet managed a meet up.
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Eduardo Da Silva, by qprfc1967 on Feb 25, 2008 16:13:36 GMT 1, when a player goes in two footed from a distance with all studs showing then yes ban them ( if someones injured or not ) eduardo was just very unlucky , a mistimed tackle , his own foot stuck in the ground and the weight of his body leaning the opposite way . taylours not innocent but when he makes the tackle theres no gritted teeth , no leg lifted up and pushed down with malice and no two footed lunge , and i remember a certain ian wright and p viera both guilty of much worse tackles on more than one occasion but because no one was as badly hurt as eduardo ( thankfully ) as someone said earlier no one remembers come on you R s
eduardo may be out for a long time , but i bet Ray Jones parents wish he was only out for while . No 31 gone forever forgotten never
when a player goes in two footed from a distance with all studs showing then yes ban them ( if someones injured or not ) eduardo was just very unlucky , a mistimed tackle , his own foot stuck in the ground and the weight of his body leaning the opposite way . taylours not innocent but when he makes the tackle theres no gritted teeth , no leg lifted up and pushed down with malice and no two footed lunge , and i remember a certain ian wright and p viera both guilty of much worse tackles on more than one occasion but because no one was as badly hurt as eduardo ( thankfully ) as someone said earlier no one remembers come on you R s
eduardo may be out for a long time , but i bet Ray Jones parents wish he was only out for while . No 31 gone forever forgotten never
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Nuno on Feb 25, 2008 17:04:52 GMT 1, that was not a mistimed tackle, if slide along the floor, with your right leg leading along the ground, and you hit the player on the foot and break his metatarsal, then yes I would agree. Look again at the height of Taylors right foot, he went over the ball, and no matter what anyone tells me, that is a nasty malicious tackle, and it merits Taylor being punished further. What will you say when he breaks another persons leg?
taylor has only had one other red card in his pro career, 9 years ago i believe. Now whilst it was a bad challenge etc, people like essien and mikel have done worse this season, two footed jumping tackles. I think the 3 match ban and the media histeria around him will be punishment enough
that was not a mistimed tackle, if slide along the floor, with your right leg leading along the ground, and you hit the player on the foot and break his metatarsal, then yes I would agree. Look again at the height of Taylors right foot, he went over the ball, and no matter what anyone tells me, that is a nasty malicious tackle, and it merits Taylor being punished further. What will you say when he breaks another persons leg? taylor has only had one other red card in his pro career, 9 years ago i believe. Now whilst it was a bad challenge etc, people like essien and mikel have done worse this season, two footed jumping tackles. I think the 3 match ban and the media histeria around him will be punishment enough
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Eduardo Da Silva, by Heavyconsumer on Feb 25, 2008 17:11:19 GMT 1, I've seen Essien make much worse tackles than that this season! I would not wish that type of injuy on any player, even a gooner scumbag! It was horrific and my eyes water just thinking about it. These lads are all professionals and to have their livelyhood at stake is one thing, although I'm certain they're all very well insured on the financial side. However the shock and physical agony that something like that must cause is surely unimaginable.
But while going in with studs leading is clearly unacceptable, Taylor should not be further punished. It's clear that he's not the type of player who dives in 2-footed or can be seen regularly tackling with complete disregard for the health of his opponents. I cannot remember any other such incident involving him. This should be kept in context and used as a reminder, to make sure that such players are suitably punished, regardless of the outcomes of their tackles.
I've seen Essien make much worse tackles than that this season! I would not wish that type of injuy on any player, even a gooner scumbag! It was horrific and my eyes water just thinking about it. These lads are all professionals and to have their livelyhood at stake is one thing, although I'm certain they're all very well insured on the financial side. However the shock and physical agony that something like that must cause is surely unimaginable.
But while going in with studs leading is clearly unacceptable, Taylor should not be further punished. It's clear that he's not the type of player who dives in 2-footed or can be seen regularly tackling with complete disregard for the health of his opponents. I cannot remember any other such incident involving him. This should be kept in context and used as a reminder, to make sure that such players are suitably punished, regardless of the outcomes of their tackles.
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