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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Jan 29, 2008 0:29:36 GMT 1, I realise this is in the wrong section but could do with a speedy answer - please bear with me.
What is so bad about framing prints against the glass?
I've read that it is not advisable in the framing section but no one explains why.
Can anyone offer advice? I've just handed my print in to be framed and am now keeking myself that it is going to get trashed by being placed against the glass. The reason it is against the glass is due to the fact that it is being placed above the mounting card.
Cheers,
G
I realise this is in the wrong section but could do with a speedy answer - please bear with me. What is so bad about framing prints against the glass? I've read that it is not advisable in the framing section but no one explains why. Can anyone offer advice? I've just handed my print in to be framed and am now keeking myself that it is going to get trashed by being placed against the glass. The reason it is against the glass is due to the fact that it is being placed above the mounting card. Cheers, G
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 0:31:59 GMT 1, its being float mounted?. there will probably be spacers keeping it away from the glass. check with your framer.
its being float mounted?. there will probably be spacers keeping it away from the glass. check with your framer.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Jan 29, 2008 0:45:19 GMT 1, I didn't specifically ask for it to be float mounted and when I asked how they would stop the print from curling they said it wouldn't due to being placed against the glass.
Does it make a huge difference if it placed against the glass? What can go wrong?
I didn't specifically ask for it to be float mounted and when I asked how they would stop the print from curling they said it wouldn't due to being placed against the glass.
Does it make a huge difference if it placed against the glass? What can go wrong?
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by bullet on Jan 29, 2008 0:46:42 GMT 1, Some people might say moisture can make it stick, but in 10 years i have never ever had that issue. You would if you lived in a bathroom or in a swimming pool, but not in a normal heated home.
Some people might say moisture can make it stick, but in 10 years i have never ever had that issue. You would if you lived in a bathroom or in a swimming pool, but not in a normal heated home.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Jan 29, 2008 0:51:35 GMT 1, Good man, Pan.
Top advice. I've never had moisture problems (with regards to prints, ahem) historically so don't foresee any arising in the future.
Is everyone else in agreement on this subject?
Good man, Pan.
Top advice. I've never had moisture problems (with regards to prints, ahem) historically so don't foresee any arising in the future.
Is everyone else in agreement on this subject?
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Jan 29, 2008 0:52:37 GMT 1, Ha, just became a 2 star member. It's the litle things that count in life!
Ha, just became a 2 star member. It's the litle things that count in life!
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by foreman on Jan 29, 2008 1:21:30 GMT 1, ive had moister seep into a frame before and dew up on the glass on the inside... i live by the ocean.. so this could be the cause of it... my print was float mounted with spaces so i didnt worry... but i assume if the print was pressed against the glass and the moisture seeped in, the print could end up sticking to the glass.. then when you remove the print from the frame at a later time it could peel off some of the paper that was stuck to the glass on the inside leaving the paper damaged...
ive had moister seep into a frame before and dew up on the glass on the inside... i live by the ocean.. so this could be the cause of it... my print was float mounted with spaces so i didnt worry... but i assume if the print was pressed against the glass and the moisture seeped in, the print could end up sticking to the glass.. then when you remove the print from the frame at a later time it could peel off some of the paper that was stuck to the glass on the inside leaving the paper damaged...
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by Gallery Grace on Jan 29, 2008 1:42:46 GMT 1, Personally I wouldnโt take the risk, Iโve seen a beautiful flower thrower damaged by being framed this way.
You may not have damp now but you donโt want to find out that you do when your print wont come away from the glass.
Personally I wouldnโt take the risk, Iโve seen a beautiful flower thrower damaged by being framed this way.
You may not have damp now but you donโt want to find out that you do when your print wont come away from the glass.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by afroken on Jan 29, 2008 2:10:10 GMT 1, I have a print from 1938 that has some very minor acid damage from being 'mistreated' for 60 odd years. That's how long it takes. Depends how important that is to you.
I have a print from 1938 that has some very minor acid damage from being 'mistreated' for 60 odd years. That's how long it takes. Depends how important that is to you.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by Gentle Mental on Jan 29, 2008 3:19:17 GMT 1, Spacers aren't that expensive compared to the print you're framing.... why risk it?
Spacers aren't that expensive compared to the print you're framing.... why risk it?
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by ABC on Jan 29, 2008 6:13:52 GMT 1, A good framer will never let the print have direct contact with the glass. Unless they are using a clip frame, you should be fine. A mounted frame will keep it off the glass so will float mounting, dont worry. Post pics when its down and hopefully I'm right
A good framer will never let the print have direct contact with the glass. Unless they are using a clip frame, you should be fine. A mounted frame will keep it off the glass so will float mounting, dont worry. Post pics when its down and hopefully I'm right
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by foundation on Jan 29, 2008 8:58:37 GMT 1, I realise this is in the wrong section but could do with a speedy answer - please bear with me. What is so bad about framing prints against the glass? I've read that it is not advisable in the framing section but no one explains why. Can anyone offer advice? I've just handed my print in to be framed and am now keeking myself that it is going to get trashed by being placed against the glass. The reason it is against the glass is due to the fact that it is being placed above the mounting card. Cheers, G There are several reasons why you should avoid framing prints dierectly against glass, as has already been mentioned, there can be moisture problems ( these are rarer than you might be lead to believe). Framing newer prints directly against glass is a terrible idea due to the pigments used in almost every type of printing and painting. Oils are present in pigments, and these oils need to be allowed to dry naturally and evaporate off at their own rate ( hence the great whiff of a new print in a tube against the less offensive aroma of an older print in a tube). If a print is in contact with glass, there will be a surface tension / pressure between the glass and print, as oils gradually seep from the pigment they will not be able to evaporate, leaving a sticky oily residue, bonding the print to the glass. Older prints have usually had time for this process to occur and are less likely to stick to the glass ( but if it has spent its time drying out in a tube, the pigment will have dried into a cylindrical shape, that really doesnt like to be flattened, hence the cracking seen on heavily pigmented older prints ( HMV being a good example)). There isnt a set time you need to wait as it depends on what pigments and paper have been used, coupled with the environment the framed print will be kept in ( hot and dry, as in above a radiator, can dry the print too fast, hot and moist / steamy can cause the paper to develop mould...... etc etc ) End of the day you want a framer to treat your print right, if your current one cant, then find another framer, dont let them potentially ruin your print through their lazyness.
I realise this is in the wrong section but could do with a speedy answer - please bear with me. What is so bad about framing prints against the glass? I've read that it is not advisable in the framing section but no one explains why. Can anyone offer advice? I've just handed my print in to be framed and am now keeking myself that it is going to get trashed by being placed against the glass. The reason it is against the glass is due to the fact that it is being placed above the mounting card. Cheers, G There are several reasons why you should avoid framing prints dierectly against glass, as has already been mentioned, there can be moisture problems ( these are rarer than you might be lead to believe). Framing newer prints directly against glass is a terrible idea due to the pigments used in almost every type of printing and painting. Oils are present in pigments, and these oils need to be allowed to dry naturally and evaporate off at their own rate ( hence the great whiff of a new print in a tube against the less offensive aroma of an older print in a tube). If a print is in contact with glass, there will be a surface tension / pressure between the glass and print, as oils gradually seep from the pigment they will not be able to evaporate, leaving a sticky oily residue, bonding the print to the glass. Older prints have usually had time for this process to occur and are less likely to stick to the glass ( but if it has spent its time drying out in a tube, the pigment will have dried into a cylindrical shape, that really doesnt like to be flattened, hence the cracking seen on heavily pigmented older prints ( HMV being a good example)). There isnt a set time you need to wait as it depends on what pigments and paper have been used, coupled with the environment the framed print will be kept in ( hot and dry, as in above a radiator, can dry the print too fast, hot and moist / steamy can cause the paper to develop mould...... etc etc ) End of the day you want a framer to treat your print right, if your current one cant, then find another framer, dont let them potentially ruin your print through their lazyness.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by slowmo on Jan 29, 2008 9:47:09 GMT 1, Yep, for the sake of an extra ยฃ20 odd, get it mounted
Yep, for the sake of an extra ยฃ20 odd, get it mounted
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by danvnuk on Jan 29, 2008 12:33:24 GMT 1, Got to be honest - If I'd taken my signed coloured trolleys - ยฃ1,500 worth of print (on the secondary market) in the framers and they said it was going to be framed touching the glass....I'd take it somewhere else, they sound like right cowboys.
I've never seen it personally, but I've heard enough horror stories of moisture or condesation getting in and the print sticking to the glass = expensive print ruined, to know it's just not done.
Whereabouts in the country are you? I'm sure someone on here can recommend a decent framer.
Got to be honest - If I'd taken my signed coloured trolleys - ยฃ1,500 worth of print (on the secondary market) in the framers and they said it was going to be framed touching the glass....I'd take it somewhere else, they sound like right cowboys.
I've never seen it personally, but I've heard enough horror stories of moisture or condesation getting in and the print sticking to the glass = expensive print ruined, to know it's just not done.
Whereabouts in the country are you? I'm sure someone on here can recommend a decent framer.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Jan 29, 2008 14:19:40 GMT 1, Thanks everyone for all the advice, going to phone the framers today and have a chat, put my mind at ease.
I currently resdide in the Southside of Glas-Vegas (Glasgow to the uneducated). Anybody able to recommend a good Weejy framers to me? Currently using 'The Picture Framers' located in the Shawlands Arcade.
G
Thanks everyone for all the advice, going to phone the framers today and have a chat, put my mind at ease.
I currently resdide in the Southside of Glas-Vegas (Glasgow to the uneducated). Anybody able to recommend a good Weejy framers to me? Currently using 'The Picture Framers' located in the Shawlands Arcade.
G
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by danvnuk on Jan 29, 2008 14:48:05 GMT 1, Thanks everyone for all the advice, going to phone the framers today and have a chat, put my mind at ease. I currently resdide in the Southside of Glas-Vegas (Glasgow to the uneducated). Anybody able to recommend a good Weejy framers to me? Currently using 'The Picture Framers' located in the Shawlands Arcade. G
Can't help you for framers in Glasgow - I'm the opposite end of the country.
But if I was you - I'd stress the value of the print to the framer and say you want it framed properly, so print hinged to conservation board preferably with those Japanese paper hinges, mount or spacers (so the print isn't touching the glass) frame sealed with conservation tape.
Upto you with choice of glass - personal preference and cost etc - a lot of people on the forum go for the UV protective stuff. (So far, I've gone for normal float glass - and made sure not to hang anything where sunlight will affect it. But over time, I may get the glass upgraded)
Thanks everyone for all the advice, going to phone the framers today and have a chat, put my mind at ease. I currently resdide in the Southside of Glas-Vegas (Glasgow to the uneducated). Anybody able to recommend a good Weejy framers to me? Currently using 'The Picture Framers' located in the Shawlands Arcade. G Can't help you for framers in Glasgow - I'm the opposite end of the country. But if I was you - I'd stress the value of the print to the framer and say you want it framed properly, so print hinged to conservation board preferably with those Japanese paper hinges, mount or spacers (so the print isn't touching the glass) frame sealed with conservation tape. Upto you with choice of glass - personal preference and cost etc - a lot of people on the forum go for the UV protective stuff. (So far, I've gone for normal float glass - and made sure not to hang anything where sunlight will affect it. But over time, I may get the glass upgraded)
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by foundation on Jan 29, 2008 14:51:45 GMT 1, Thanks everyone for all the advice, going to phone the framers today and have a chat, put my mind at ease. I currently resdide in the Southside of Glas-Vegas (Glasgow to the uneducated). Anybody able to recommend a good Weejy framers to me? Currently using 'The Picture Framers' located in the Shawlands Arcade. G I know some good places in stirling, but as for Galsgow, Graeme501 might know as he's from that neck of the woods ( although he uses mrframeman for some of his stuff, he might be able to help).
Thanks everyone for all the advice, going to phone the framers today and have a chat, put my mind at ease. I currently resdide in the Southside of Glas-Vegas (Glasgow to the uneducated). Anybody able to recommend a good Weejy framers to me? Currently using 'The Picture Framers' located in the Shawlands Arcade. G I know some good places in stirling, but as for Galsgow, Graeme501 might know as he's from that neck of the woods ( although he uses mrframeman for some of his stuff, he might be able to help).
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by danvnuk on Jan 29, 2008 17:12:24 GMT 1, Reading another post and it just hit me - Gary, (Mr frameman) collects and frames your prints - not sure if he covers Glasgow - but he comes highly recommended.
Reading another post and it just hit me - Gary, (Mr frameman) collects and frames your prints - not sure if he covers Glasgow - but he comes highly recommended.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Jan 29, 2008 22:49:04 GMT 1, A huge THANK YOU to everyone that contributed to this thread.
I got in touch with the framer and explained that both items being framed were valuable. For an extra ten squids they are placing spacers on each. Sounded like they know what they were doing and changed their approach when they discovered prices.
No more worries about images against the glass.
Thanks for all your suggestions and support.
In the olden days it would've been a +1 for you all - ho hum.
G
A huge THANK YOU to everyone that contributed to this thread.
I got in touch with the framer and explained that both items being framed were valuable. For an extra ten squids they are placing spacers on each. Sounded like they know what they were doing and changed their approach when they discovered prices.
No more worries about images against the glass.
Thanks for all your suggestions and support.
In the olden days it would've been a +1 for you all - ho hum.
G
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by Lord Lucas Roham on Jan 30, 2008 1:00:47 GMT 1, I was going to recommend Stirling as well actually.
Framed Images to be specific
I was going to recommend Stirling as well actually.
Framed Images to be specific
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by chas on Feb 2, 2008 1:12:20 GMT 1, A huge THANK YOU to everyone that contributed to this thread. I got in touch with the framer and explained that both items being framed were valuable. For an extra ten squids they are placing spacers on each. Sounded like they know what they were doing and changed their approach when they discovered prices. No more worries about images against the glass. Thanks for all your suggestions and support. In the olden days it would've been a +1 for you all - ho hum. G
I have just moved to shawlands from London, let me know how the print turns out?? I need to find a decent framer for my new Eine!
Cheers.
A huge THANK YOU to everyone that contributed to this thread. I got in touch with the framer and explained that both items being framed were valuable. For an extra ten squids they are placing spacers on each. Sounded like they know what they were doing and changed their approach when they discovered prices. No more worries about images against the glass. Thanks for all your suggestions and support. In the olden days it would've been a +1 for you all - ho hum. G I have just moved to shawlands from London, let me know how the print turns out?? I need to find a decent framer for my new Eine! Cheers.
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Coloured Trolleys Print Against Glass , by JockoLad on Feb 3, 2008 19:34:32 GMT 1, Will do Chas. Hopefully all will go well.
Hope your move to Glasgow has gone well, it's a city like no other!!!!
Will do Chas. Hopefully all will go well.
Hope your move to Glasgow has gone well, it's a city like no other!!!!
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