leumasdarnley
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by leumasdarnley on Nov 12, 2007 20:24:31 GMT 1, Hey does anyone know how to verify a print purchased through Tom Tom in like the early 2003. I have a name and a print number for a Banksy piece. Any help would be great. Is Tom Tom now art republic?
Cheers -L
Hey does anyone know how to verify a print purchased through Tom Tom in like the early 2003. I have a name and a print number for a Banksy piece. Any help would be great. Is Tom Tom now art republic?
Cheers -L
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danvnuk
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 12, 2007 21:42:40 GMT 1, If you know it was purchased from Tom Tom and the print number - POW should be able to confirm if that paticular print was registered to Tom Tom for sale.
I bought mine from Tom Tom in 2004, and have confirmed with POW that it was registered to them originally.
If you know it was purchased from Tom Tom and the print number - POW should be able to confirm if that paticular print was registered to Tom Tom for sale.
I bought mine from Tom Tom in 2004, and have confirmed with POW that it was registered to them originally.
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leumasdarnley
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by leumasdarnley on Nov 12, 2007 21:44:20 GMT 1, Thanks Guys !
Thanks Guys !
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ratpack
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by ratpack on Nov 12, 2007 21:47:56 GMT 1, If you know it was purchased from Tom Tom and the print number - POW should be able to confirm if that paticular print was registered to Tom Tom for sale. I bought mine from Tom Tom in 2004, and have confirmed with POW that it was registered to them originally.
I'm in a similar situation. Is that enough provenance for the print? Even you haven't got proof that you actually bought it from Tom Tom?
If you know it was purchased from Tom Tom and the print number - POW should be able to confirm if that paticular print was registered to Tom Tom for sale. I bought mine from Tom Tom in 2004, and have confirmed with POW that it was registered to them originally. I'm in a similar situation. Is that enough provenance for the print? Even you haven't got proof that you actually bought it from Tom Tom? |
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danvnuk
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 12, 2007 21:59:20 GMT 1, If you know it was purchased from Tom Tom and the print number - POW should be able to confirm if that paticular print was registered to Tom Tom for sale. I bought mine from Tom Tom in 2004, and have confirmed with POW that it was registered to them originally. I'm in a similar situation. Is that enough provenance for the print? Even you haven't got proof that you actually bought it from Tom Tom?
I don't know. It's all the provenance a lot of people have with the older prints - they were so cheap back then that a lot of people never kept reciepts.
(personally, it was the first piece of art I ever bought, so although I had this nagging suspicion that I should ask for a written receipt - I never bothered)
If you were selling, and you can name the original owner of the print (Tom Tom) and the buyer can confirm with POW that paticular print no. was registered to them originally, then I'd say that was pretty good provenance.
If you have credit card statements etc to back that up (I have) then that would be even better, but I wouldn't say it was essential.
If you know it was purchased from Tom Tom and the print number - POW should be able to confirm if that paticular print was registered to Tom Tom for sale. I bought mine from Tom Tom in 2004, and have confirmed with POW that it was registered to them originally. I'm in a similar situation. Is that enough provenance for the print? Even you haven't got proof that you actually bought it from Tom Tom? I don't know. It's all the provenance a lot of people have with the older prints - they were so cheap back then that a lot of people never kept reciepts. (personally, it was the first piece of art I ever bought, so although I had this nagging suspicion that I should ask for a written receipt - I never bothered) If you were selling, and you can name the original owner of the print (Tom Tom) and the buyer can confirm with POW that paticular print no. was registered to them originally, then I'd say that was pretty good provenance. If you have credit card statements etc to back that up (I have) then that would be even better, but I wouldn't say it was essential. |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by ABC on Nov 12, 2007 22:21:34 GMT 1, I have an Old TomTom receipt, its fine, registered to POW. The issue last year was with Tom Tom authenticating Banksys prints, something they cannot do.
I have an Old TomTom receipt, its fine, registered to POW. The issue last year was with Tom Tom authenticating Banksys prints, something they cannot do.
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by RBK on Nov 12, 2007 22:24:05 GMT 1, You can get provenance from POW stating that they sold #X of a certain print to Tom Tom.
You can get provenance from POW stating that they sold #X of a certain print to Tom Tom.
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by wezzley on Nov 12, 2007 22:24:26 GMT 1, Ive tried tomtom recentley on this front, they dont have any records from the old tomtom apparently....
just being able to check the number with POW to confirm it was sold at TomTom is considered enough by many though.
Ive tried tomtom recentley on this front, they dont have any records from the old tomtom apparently....
just being able to check the number with POW to confirm it was sold at TomTom is considered enough by many though.
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by gm on Nov 13, 2007 0:19:58 GMT 1, TomTom didn't/don't only sell from new tho. It's possible there was at least one previous owner before it got to them.
TomTom didn't/don't only sell from new tho. It's possible there was at least one previous owner before it got to them.
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snelj8
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by snelj8 on Nov 13, 2007 1:14:13 GMT 1, Curious what provenance you guys have from TomTom, what do your 'receipts' look like? I have a banksy with the print # and buyer name on a Tomtom business card with a signature on it. Is this same type you all have?
Curious what provenance you guys have from TomTom, what do your 'receipts' look like? I have a banksy with the print # and buyer name on a Tomtom business card with a signature on it. Is this same type you all have?
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snelj8
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by snelj8 on Nov 14, 2007 7:36:34 GMT 1, any help for the post above? may be landing a banksy but would like to verify the provenance. thanks!
any help for the post above? may be landing a banksy but would like to verify the provenance. thanks!
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danvnuk
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 14, 2007 11:16:20 GMT 1, any help for the post above? may be landing a banksy but would like to verify the provenance. thanks!
I've seen a pic of a Tom Tom written receipt with a recently sold piece on E-Bay, and it wasn't a business card, but that's not to say they haven't wrote out a receipt on a business card before, it's entirely feasible.
Provenance wise, personally I'd be more interested to see if the print is registered to Tom Tom through POW.
Although again, there's a chance that Tom Tom may have sold a print on that wasn't allocated to them directly through POW and would therefore not be the original owner. But it's worth checking.
any help for the post above? may be landing a banksy but would like to verify the provenance. thanks! I've seen a pic of a Tom Tom written receipt with a recently sold piece on E-Bay, and it wasn't a business card, but that's not to say they haven't wrote out a receipt on a business card before, it's entirely feasible. Provenance wise, personally I'd be more interested to see if the print is registered to Tom Tom through POW. Although again, there's a chance that Tom Tom may have sold a print on that wasn't allocated to them directly through POW and would therefore not be the original owner. But it's worth checking. |
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gm
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by gm on Nov 14, 2007 14:08:21 GMT 1, Curious what provenance you guys have from TomTom, what do your 'receipts' look like? I have a banksy with the print # and buyer name on a Tomtom business card with a signature on it. Is this same type you all have?
I don't have any provenance with mine - was supposed to pick up a letter from them but never could be bothered, and I lost the CC receipt from when I paid 
Curious what provenance you guys have from TomTom, what do your 'receipts' look like? I have a banksy with the print # and buyer name on a Tomtom business card with a signature on it. Is this same type you all have? I don't have any provenance with mine - was supposed to pick up a letter from them but never could be bothered, and I lost the CC receipt from when I paid |
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danvnuk
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 14, 2007 14:24:24 GMT 1, Curious what provenance you guys have from TomTom, what do your 'receipts' look like? I have a banksy with the print # and buyer name on a Tomtom business card with a signature on it. Is this same type you all have? I don't have any provenance with mine - was supposed to pick up a letter from them but never could be bothered, and I lost the CC receipt from when I paid
If you know the year and have a rough idea of the Month you got it, you can ask your C/C company to send you copies of your statements showing a purchase from Tom Tom - costs a couple of quid.
Curious what provenance you guys have from TomTom, what do your 'receipts' look like? I have a banksy with the print # and buyer name on a Tomtom business card with a signature on it. Is this same type you all have? I don't have any provenance with mine - was supposed to pick up a letter from them but never could be bothered, and I lost the CC receipt from when I paid If you know the year and have a rough idea of the Month you got it, you can ask your C/C company to send you copies of your statements showing a purchase from Tom Tom - costs a couple of quid. |
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sillyboy
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by sillyboy on Nov 14, 2007 21:28:33 GMT 1, the prints i got from tom tom.. some had their provenance written on a paper slip with the tom tom logo on it and some were on a postcard with jamie ried's god save the queen design on the front..
the prints i got from tom tom.. some had their provenance written on a paper slip with the tom tom logo on it and some were on a postcard with jamie ried's god save the queen design on the front..
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by redscab on Nov 14, 2007 21:33:49 GMT 1, I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery.
I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery.
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by sillyboy on Nov 14, 2007 21:36:25 GMT 1, Hey does anyone know how to verify a print purchased through Tom Tom in like the early 2003. I have a name and a print number for a Banksy piece. Any help would be great. Is Tom Tom now art republic? Cheers -L
what banksy print is it?
Hey does anyone know how to verify a print purchased through Tom Tom in like the early 2003. I have a name and a print number for a Banksy piece. Any help would be great. Is Tom Tom now art republic? Cheers -L what banksy print is it? |
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snelj8
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by snelj8 on Nov 14, 2007 21:55:27 GMT 1, I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery.
anyone have a sample pic of the comp slip? or any other prov?
thanks!
I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery. anyone have a sample pic of the comp slip? or any other prov? thanks! |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by snelj8 on Nov 14, 2007 21:58:04 GMT 1, found a sample.. is this what you guys received?
found a sample.. is this what you guys received? |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by buster on Nov 14, 2007 22:48:46 GMT 1, I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery.
I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery. .... and some came from e-bay that were ropey and they made up their own provenance..... leading to POW disowning any association with them. |
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danvnuk
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 14, 2007 23:00:26 GMT 1, I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery. .... and some came from e-bay that were ropey and they made up their own provenance..... leading to POW disowning any association with them.
Care to define ropey?
The Statement I saw from POW on the old Ebay forum basically cut Tom Tom off at the knees for authenticating works by Banksy, but a second statement released by POW (after people started freaking out) stressed there was nothing untoward about any of the work they'd sold, just that the only people able to authenticate Banskys work were POW or LAZ.
I purchased 5 Banksys from Tom Tom during the Period 2003 - 2005 - provenance came in the form of a post card or Comp slip - but a couple of prints that I purchased I never got nothing - I tried this year to get some type of provenance from the Ex owner Gary who was only giving provenance if he was Paid!!!!! Not all prints came from P.O.W at Tom Tom - I was also made aware recently that some of the prints came directly from The Lazinc gallery. .... and some came from e-bay that were ropey and they made up their own provenance..... leading to POW disowning any association with them. Care to define ropey? The Statement I saw from POW on the old Ebay forum basically cut Tom Tom off at the knees for authenticating works by Banksy, but a second statement released by POW (after people started freaking out) stressed there was nothing untoward about any of the work they'd sold, just that the only people able to authenticate Banskys work were POW or LAZ. |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by sillyboy on Nov 14, 2007 23:44:46 GMT 1, found a sample.. is this what you guys received?
thats the same as a few of mine...
found a sample.. is this what you guys received? thats the same as a few of mine... |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by redscab on Nov 14, 2007 23:48:11 GMT 1, Thats what I have as well - but I also have the Jamie Reid / Sex Pistols postcard as well.
Thats what I have as well - but I also have the Jamie Reid / Sex Pistols postcard as well.
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by redscab on Nov 14, 2007 23:58:13 GMT 1, I never thought that there was anything ' Ropey' about Tom Tom - did any of us a couple years back think that our prints were going to be the subject of provenance so that we can all cash in & be something that Banksy was against? ??
I never thought that there was anything ' Ropey' about Tom Tom - did any of us a couple years back think that our prints were going to be the subject of provenance so that we can all cash in & be something that Banksy was against? ?? |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by buster on Nov 15, 2007 8:50:36 GMT 1, .... and some came from e-bay that were ropey and they made up their own provenance..... leading to POW disowning any association with them. Care to define ropey? The Statement I saw from POW on the old Ebay forum basically cut Tom Tom off at the knees for authenticating works by Banksy, but a second statement released by POW (after people started freaking out) stressed there was nothing untoward about any of the work they'd sold, just that the only people able to authenticate Banskys work were POW or LAZ.
Buying a green backdoor wsm from ebay and authenticating it before selling it on as genuine is ropey in my book. Maybe others have a different deffinition or ropey.
.... and some came from e-bay that were ropey and they made up their own provenance..... leading to POW disowning any association with them. Care to define ropey? The Statement I saw from POW on the old Ebay forum basically cut Tom Tom off at the knees for authenticating works by Banksy, but a second statement released by POW (after people started freaking out) stressed there was nothing untoward about any of the work they'd sold, just that the only people able to authenticate Banskys work were POW or LAZ. POW stated that the prints they supp,lied to tomtom were fine. Buying a green backdoor wsm from ebay and authenticating it before selling it on as genuine is ropey in my book. Maybe others have a different deffinition or ropey. |
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danvnuk
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 15, 2007 10:28:37 GMT 1, Care to define ropey? The Statement I saw from POW on the old Ebay forum basically cut Tom Tom off at the knees for authenticating works by Banksy, but a second statement released by POW (after people started freaking out) stressed there was nothing untoward about any of the work they'd sold, just that the only people able to authenticate Banskys work were POW or LAZ. POW stated that the prints they supp,lied to tomtom were fine. Buying a green backdoor wsm from ebay and authenticating it before selling it on as genuine is ropey in my book. Maybe others have a different deffinition or ropey.
Not that's definately 'ropey' practice, ;D
Now you mention it, I remember hearing about that now.
I just think people have to choose their words carefully, what with so many forum members having bought prints from Tom Tom in the past (including myself) that newer forum members not aware of the background history associate the word 'ropey' with 'fake' or 'fraudulent' and tar everything Tom Tom sold with the same brush.
Which certainly isn't the case.
Care to define ropey? The Statement I saw from POW on the old Ebay forum basically cut Tom Tom off at the knees for authenticating works by Banksy, but a second statement released by POW (after people started freaking out) stressed there was nothing untoward about any of the work they'd sold, just that the only people able to authenticate Banskys work were POW or LAZ. POW stated that the prints they supp,lied to tomtom were fine. Buying a green backdoor wsm from ebay and authenticating it before selling it on as genuine is ropey in my book. Maybe others have a different deffinition or ropey. Not that's definately 'ropey' practice, ;D Now you mention it, I remember hearing about that now. I just think people have to choose their words carefully, what with so many forum members having bought prints from Tom Tom in the past (including myself) that newer forum members not aware of the background history associate the word 'ropey' with 'fake' or 'fraudulent' and tar everything Tom Tom sold with the same brush. Which certainly isn't the case. |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by buster on Nov 15, 2007 10:50:37 GMT 1, POW stated that the prints they supp,lied to tomtom were fine. Buying a green backdoor wsm from ebay and authenticating it before selling it on as genuine is ropey in my book. Maybe others have a different deffinition or ropey. Not that's definately 'ropey' practice, ;D Now you mention it, I remember hearing about that now. I just think people have to choose their words carefully, what with so many forum members having bought prints from Tom Tom in the past (including myself) that newer forum members not aware of the background history associate the word 'ropey' with 'fake' or 'fraudulent' and tar everything Tom Tom sold with the same brush. Which certainly isn't the case.
POW stated that the prints they supp,lied to tomtom were fine. Buying a green backdoor wsm from ebay and authenticating it before selling it on as genuine is ropey in my book. Maybe others have a different deffinition or ropey. Not that's definately 'ropey' practice, ;D Now you mention it, I remember hearing about that now. I just think people have to choose their words carefully, what with so many forum members having bought prints from Tom Tom in the past (including myself) that newer forum members not aware of the background history associate the word 'ropey' with 'fake' or 'fraudulent' and tar everything Tom Tom sold with the same brush. Which certainly isn't the case. Indeed Dan, As I mentioned their ropey practices, I should also mention that they had a long running and trouble free relationship with PMYC / POW, where they were supplied with prints by POW and sold them as a recognised outlet. The great majority of prints bought through tomtom are 100% bang on, and no reason to think otherwise. If you bought something a bit special or out of the ordinary ( such as a green wsm, long pulp fiction, signed but not numbered prints etc...)from them after june 06, it might be better to get the piece checked out by a secondary source such as POW, if you want it verified. |
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by danvnuk on Nov 15, 2007 11:42:29 GMT 1, Good advice Buster and +1 for the clarification. ;D
Good advice Buster and +1 for the clarification. ;D
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Older Tom Tom Provenance Help, by artlover on Jan 18, 2008 6:43:35 GMT 1, Does anyone have an email address for the new incarnation of TomTom? Do they still have the old records of sales?
I have a receipt in the form of a Jamie Reid postcard but know they were selling the print on behalf of the original purchaser from POW. If I can get that person's name - I could complete the full history of ownership through emailing POW. Any help/advice/email addresses is appreciated.
Does anyone have an email address for the new incarnation of TomTom? Do they still have the old records of sales?
I have a receipt in the form of a Jamie Reid postcard but know they were selling the print on behalf of the original purchaser from POW. If I can get that person's name - I could complete the full history of ownership through emailing POW. Any help/advice/email addresses is appreciated.
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