loucastel
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Low print number, by loucastel on Jan 5, 2008 19:20:31 GMT 1, Does it make much difference if you have a low print number from an edition, as I have seen a lot of people on here want low numbers.
Does it make much difference if you have a low print number from an edition, as I have seen a lot of people on here want low numbers.
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Low print number, by mred on Jan 5, 2008 19:29:53 GMT 1, My understanding was historically the first print to be printed was numbered 1, second 2, etc. That meant low print numbers should be crisper prints, i.e. screens not clogged up, than high print numbers.
Whether this is complete crap as screens do not clog and for that matter first printed print is always signed 1 etc i.e. not all muddled up as printed and sent around the world not sure.
Sounds convincing but willing to be corrected. ;D ;D
My understanding was historically the first print to be printed was numbered 1, second 2, etc. That meant low print numbers should be crisper prints, i.e. screens not clogged up, than high print numbers.
Whether this is complete crap as screens do not clog and for that matter first printed print is always signed 1 etc i.e. not all muddled up as printed and sent around the world not sure.
Sounds convincing but willing to be corrected. ;D ;D
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Low print number, by manchestermike on Jan 5, 2008 19:32:07 GMT 1, It used to be the case... now not so much... plus they're probably signed in any order... like APs of the same image it makes absolutely no difference... although some people prefer it...
It used to be the case... now not so much... plus they're probably signed in any order... like APs of the same image it makes absolutely no difference... although some people prefer it...
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Low print number, by craigf on Jan 5, 2008 19:52:30 GMT 1, If given a choice I would pick a low or favourite number, but it wouldn't influence me re the price. I do have #500 unsigned Grannies which is nice ;D
If given a choice I would pick a low or favourite number, but it wouldn't influence me re the price. I do have #500 unsigned Grannies which is nice ;D
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Low print number, by Coach on Jan 5, 2008 19:53:10 GMT 1, it's an odd one this. i like to think that it means nothing at all these days. but then when i get a low number i cant help myself feeling a bit extra pleased about it. i've got a very low number mwih and i would be lying if i said that it makes no difference to me. but i know its not important, and the numbering would certainly never change my view as to whether to/not to buy a piece.
my 2p
it's an odd one this. i like to think that it means nothing at all these days. but then when i get a low number i cant help myself feeling a bit extra pleased about it. i've got a very low number mwih and i would be lying if i said that it makes no difference to me. but i know its not important, and the numbering would certainly never change my view as to whether to/not to buy a piece.
my 2p
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Low print number, by guest2 on Jan 5, 2008 20:10:16 GMT 1, I often get asked for the lowest number possible and I find if you have a print with the edition number under 10 then it can be the deciding factor in a sale. People seem to like single figures for sure. Personally if I had a choice I'd like no.1 or the last number of the edition, ie 50 of 50. But to be honest I couldn't care less and if it's a print I really want then just having it is enough.
I often get asked for the lowest number possible and I find if you have a print with the edition number under 10 then it can be the deciding factor in a sale. People seem to like single figures for sure. Personally if I had a choice I'd like no.1 or the last number of the edition, ie 50 of 50. But to be honest I couldn't care less and if it's a print I really want then just having it is enough.
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loucastel
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Low print number, by loucastel on Jan 5, 2008 21:24:22 GMT 1, Just curious as there was a S&S on the bay and the guy wanted ยฃ3.5 K for it and was making such a big deal about how it was the lowest one on there, I couldnt understand why anyone would pay nearly twice the price for it.
Just curious as there was a S&S on the bay and the guy wanted ยฃ3.5 K for it and was making such a big deal about how it was the lowest one on there, I couldnt understand why anyone would pay nearly twice the price for it.
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Low print number, by Coach on Jan 5, 2008 21:49:41 GMT 1, Just curious as there was a S&S on the bay and the guy wanted ยฃ3.5 K for it and was making such a big deal about how it was the lowest one on there, I couldnt understand why anyone would pay nearly twice the price for it.
wouldnt pay more for a low number - maybe a bit more for number 1 - but certainly not worth a big premium.
Just curious as there was a S&S on the bay and the guy wanted ยฃ3.5 K for it and was making such a big deal about how it was the lowest one on there, I couldnt understand why anyone would pay nearly twice the price for it. wouldnt pay more for a low number - maybe a bit more for number 1 - but certainly not worth a big premium. |
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Low print number, by wimpy on Jan 5, 2008 22:35:11 GMT 1, I'd hunt for a low number depending on the printing process. With all these screenprints, as long as the screens are cared for properly, the image degradation over an edition is so minimal.
If you are talking about a linocut, woodcut, etching, collograph, etc there is a much better chance of loss of clarity of the image as ink can fill the cutout parts or the material itself can wear a bit from the pressure of the press. The ink also just builds up and gets tacky pretty quickly. Your copper, linoleum, and so on can be cleaned during a run but it just isn't practical.
Hell... some people like later numbers because they enjoy the image degrading a touch. I know I'm happy as hell to have a super low number of Sepia Morons as I hate the nasty green ink mixture they ended up with during the later part of the edition.
Then you just have people that are OCD and need to have even numbers or odd. Add superstition, astrology, and whatever other crazy crap on top of that... 
I'd hunt for a low number depending on the printing process. With all these screenprints, as long as the screens are cared for properly, the image degradation over an edition is so minimal. If you are talking about a linocut, woodcut, etching, collograph, etc there is a much better chance of loss of clarity of the image as ink can fill the cutout parts or the material itself can wear a bit from the pressure of the press. The ink also just builds up and gets tacky pretty quickly. Your copper, linoleum, and so on can be cleaned during a run but it just isn't practical. Hell... some people like later numbers because they enjoy the image degrading a touch. I know I'm happy as hell to have a super low number of Sepia Morons as I hate the nasty green ink mixture they ended up with during the later part of the edition. Then you just have people that are OCD and need to have even numbers or odd. Add superstition, astrology, and whatever other crazy crap on top of that... |
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Low print number, by snakes on Jan 5, 2008 22:54:54 GMT 1, If given a choice I would pick a low or favourite number, but it wouldn't influence me re the price. I do have #500 unsigned Grannies which is nice ;D
I have no. 350 unsigned grannies which is also quite nice too but would rather have 333!
If given a choice I would pick a low or favourite number, but it wouldn't influence me re the price. I do have #500 unsigned Grannies which is nice ;D I have no. 350 unsigned grannies which is also quite nice too but would rather have 333! |
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Low print number, by snakes on Jan 5, 2008 22:56:18 GMT 1, Just curious as there was a S&S on the bay and the guy wanted ยฃ3.5 K for it and was making such a big deal about how it was the lowest one on there, I couldnt understand why anyone would pay nearly twice the price for it.
also how would he know it is or was the lowest number on there when every one blanks their number these days!
Just curious as there was a S&S on the bay and the guy wanted ยฃ3.5 K for it and was making such a big deal about how it was the lowest one on there, I couldnt understand why anyone would pay nearly twice the price for it. also how would he know it is or was the lowest number on there when every one blanks their number these days! |
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loucastel
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Low print number, by Art-el on Jan 6, 2008 0:18:01 GMT 1, Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666
Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666
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Low print number, by Coach on Jan 6, 2008 0:30:55 GMT 1, Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666
good call
Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 good call |
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Low print number, by guest2 on Jan 6, 2008 0:44:48 GMT 1, Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 good call
very good call!
Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 good call very good call! |
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Low print number, by Zippy on Jan 6, 2008 0:48:26 GMT 1, I've got Micallef Head.
No 69.
Z
I've got Micallef Head.
No 69.
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Low print number, by Daniel Silk on Jan 6, 2008 0:53:30 GMT 1, I think some people like to have a low number or better still number 1  just so that when its all framed up on the wall and they are showing it off to everyone that visits  by having a low number it means you were in with that Artist right at the start of the print run, so must be a serious fan to get such a low number.
I think some people like to have a low number or better still number 1 just so that when its all framed up on the wall and they are showing it off to everyone that visits by having a low number it means you were in with that Artist right at the start of the print run, so must be a serious fan to get such a low number. |
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Low print number, by slacker on Jan 6, 2008 1:33:29 GMT 1, Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666
hehe
i seem to remember that somebody on here got it? was it not agent bacardi?
Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 hehe i seem to remember that somebody on here got it? was it not agent bacardi? |
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Low print number, by Ron Goldsurfer on Jan 6, 2008 1:35:44 GMT 1, Hell... some people like later numbers because they enjoy the image degrading a touch. I know I'm happy as hell to have a super low number of Sepia Morons as I hate the nasty green ink mixture they ended up with during the later part of the edition.
As a pro graphic artist I wouldยดnt care if it is a high or low edition number. Especially when it comes to screen prints. All this fuzz about Morons are actually the fault of the artist, there is no technical excuse why there is different background colors within the same edition. Here you can blame the artist totally, he screwed up! If it not was with intent...
My simple idea why this happened was a misscalculation of the amount of colors that where needed to do the edition and that Banksy just said - " What the fuck, take this batch of colour and make the print ready for delivery!" And then he gave his blessing by signing the bunch ;-)
BTW, I own one of the more greenish versions instead of the color of baby pooh ;-) and I am not really happy, I actually bought a image that should have had the color of sepia...
Ok, I am aware that I am gonna be neggยดd by this but do you know what`? I donยดt fuckin care as long as I have the right and possibilty to say my meaning. Take care! and donยดt believe everything you read...
Hell... some people like later numbers because they enjoy the image degrading a touch. I know I'm happy as hell to have a super low number of Sepia Morons as I hate the nasty green ink mixture they ended up with during the later part of the edition. As a pro graphic artist I wouldยดnt care if it is a high or low edition number. Especially when it comes to screen prints. All this fuzz about Morons are actually the fault of the artist, there is no technical excuse why there is different background colors within the same edition. Here you can blame the artist totally, he screwed up! If it not was with intent... My simple idea why this happened was a misscalculation of the amount of colors that where needed to do the edition and that Banksy just said - " What the fuck, take this batch of colour and make the print ready for delivery!" And then he gave his blessing by signing the bunch ;-) BTW, I own one of the more greenish versions instead of the color of baby pooh ;-) and I am not really happy, I actually bought a image that should have had the color of sepia... Ok, I am aware that I am gonna be neggยดd by this but do you know what`? I donยดt fuckin care as long as I have the right and possibilty to say my meaning. Take care! and donยดt believe everything you read... |
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Low print number, by lostinshanghai on Jan 6, 2008 13:53:41 GMT 1, The way i understand it the print number has no relevence to the order the prints were made.
After the edition is finished the print master and artist will check the quality of each print then go about signing and numbering the prints.
As a gallery I have collectors that want odds or evens, highs and lows. Most are just happy to get the works and the quality is the same with each print.
However as a gallery in China I can command a premium for number 8 as they considered it to be very lucky.
So I look for 8's as they can be worth more or 88 etc.
Car number plates and mobile phones with lots of 8's sell for a lot of money here.
So I buy 8's and stay away from 4's (sounds like death in Chinese) and 13 (westerners can also be superstitious)
However doesnt really matter they are all the same and has no relevence to the order they were made.
Photography though it does matter the lower the number the better, not 100% sure why but thats the way it works.
Hope that helps
Andrew
The way i understand it the print number has no relevence to the order the prints were made.
After the edition is finished the print master and artist will check the quality of each print then go about signing and numbering the prints.
As a gallery I have collectors that want odds or evens, highs and lows. Most are just happy to get the works and the quality is the same with each print.
However as a gallery in China I can command a premium for number 8 as they considered it to be very lucky.
So I look for 8's as they can be worth more or 88 etc.
Car number plates and mobile phones with lots of 8's sell for a lot of money here.
So I buy 8's and stay away from 4's (sounds like death in Chinese) and 13 (westerners can also be superstitious)
However doesnt really matter they are all the same and has no relevence to the order they were made.
Photography though it does matter the lower the number the better, not 100% sure why but thats the way it works.
Hope that helps
Andrew
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Low print number, by loucastel on Jan 6, 2008 14:13:31 GMT 1, So the low number thing is really down to asthetics, as the prints are signed and numbered in no particular order, even though some people prefer a low number and in some cases are prepared to pay a slight premium. I never get the choice ,happy to have whatever I get.
So the low number thing is really down to asthetics, as the prints are signed and numbered in no particular order, even though some people prefer a low number and in some cases are prepared to pay a slight premium. I never get the choice ,happy to have whatever I get.
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Low print number, by mydeaddogwontwoof on Jan 6, 2008 14:42:47 GMT 1, Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666
Yeah, i think i would throw a few extra quid at that one!, other than that i couldn't give a shit what number it was!, saying that, i have a Mantis all fall down with a number i like (7/77), one of the few that is still with its original owner!....
Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 Yeah, i think i would throw a few extra quid at that one!, other than that i couldn't give a s hit what number it was!, saying that, i have a Mantis all fall down with a number i like (7/77), one of the few that is still with its original owner!.... |
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Low print number, by guest2 on Jan 6, 2008 14:57:14 GMT 1, Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 Yeah, i think i would throw a few extra quid at that one!, other than that i couldn't give a s hit what number it was!, saying that, i have a Mantis all fall down with a number i like (7/77), one of the few that is still with its original owner!....
I think Mantis kept 6 of 66 of that print. I framed up AP No.1. Talking of Mantis, just went on his site (www.themantisproject.co.uk) and noticed this piece what he's painted in Oz recently, at least it wasn't there last time I looked so I'm guessing it's new.
Only print I'd pay over the odds for a number would be Micallef GIWBB no 666 Yeah, i think i would throw a few extra quid at that one!, other than that i couldn't give a s hit what number it was!, saying that, i have a Mantis all fall down with a number i like (7/77), one of the few that is still with its original owner!.... I think Mantis kept 6 of 66 of that print. I framed up AP No.1. Talking of Mantis, just went on his site (www.themantisproject.co.uk) and noticed this piece what he's painted in Oz recently, at least it wasn't there last time I looked so I'm guessing it's new. |
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Low print number, by mydeaddogwontwoof on Jan 6, 2008 15:01:32 GMT 1, Yeah, i think i would throw a few extra quid at that one!, other than that i couldn't give a s hit what number it was!, saying that, i have a Mantis all fall down with a number i like (7/77), one of the few that is still with its original owner!.... I think Mantis kept 6 of 66 of that print. I framed up AP No.1. Talking of Mantis, just went on his site (www.themantisproject.co.uk) and noticed this piece what he's painted in Oz recently, at least it wasn't there last time I looked so I'm guessing it's new. How did he get 6/66? i thought it was a run of 77!!
Yeah, i think i would throw a few extra quid at that one!, other than that i couldn't give a s hit what number it was!, saying that, i have a Mantis all fall down with a number i like (7/77), one of the few that is still with its original owner!.... I think Mantis kept 6 of 66 of that print. I framed up AP No.1. Talking of Mantis, just went on his site (www.themantisproject.co.uk) and noticed this piece what he's painted in Oz recently, at least it wasn't there last time I looked so I'm guessing it's new. How did he get 6/66? i thought it was a run of 77!! |
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Low print number, by Studiocromie on Jan 6, 2008 15:24:52 GMT 1, people ask me low number as well. i dont get it. but at the same time, i keep the first one for me, so i think i do the same. 
anyway, here at studiocromie the first print is always the worst. the one where the ink is not so flat and there can be some mistake. i like mistakes on prints though.
people ask me low number as well. i dont get it. but at the same time, i keep the first one for me, so i think i do the same. anyway, here at studiocromie the first print is always the worst. the one where the ink is not so flat and there can be some mistake. i like mistakes on prints though. |
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Low print number, by guest2 on Jan 6, 2008 15:40:48 GMT 1, How did he get 6/66? i thought it was a run of 77!! Sorry, mistake sort of ...I just checked the spread sheet, he did keep 66/77. Something about good and evil if i remember.
How did he get 6/66? i thought it was a run of 77!! Sorry, mistake sort of ...I just checked the spread sheet, he did keep 66/77. Something about good and evil if i remember. |
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Low print number, by guest2 on Jan 6, 2008 15:45:36 GMT 1, people ask me low number as well. i dont get it. but at the same time, i keep the first one for me, so i think i do the same. anyway, here at studiocromie the first print is always the worst. the one where the ink is not so flat and there can be some mistake. i like mistakes on prints though.
Yes I like the odd mistake, I have a CND soldiers with a splash of red ink on it. Not supposed to be there but it looks better!
people ask me low number as well. i dont get it. but at the same time, i keep the first one for me, so i think i do the same. anyway, here at studiocromie the first print is always the worst. the one where the ink is not so flat and there can be some mistake. i like mistakes on prints though. Yes I like the odd mistake, I have a CND soldiers with a splash of red ink on it. Not supposed to be there but it looks better! |
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Low print number, by loucastel on Jan 6, 2008 18:28:13 GMT 1, people ask me low number as well. i dont get it. but at the same time, i keep the first one for me, so i think i do the same. anyway, here at studiocromie the first print is always the worst. the one where the ink is not so flat and there can be some mistake. i like mistakes on prints though. Yes I like the odd mistake, I have a CND soldiers with a splash of red ink on it. Not supposed to be there but it looks better!
people ask me low number as well. i dont get it. but at the same time, i keep the first one for me, so i think i do the same. anyway, here at studiocromie the first print is always the worst. the one where the ink is not so flat and there can be some mistake. i like mistakes on prints though. Yes I like the odd mistake, I have a CND soldiers with a splash of red ink on it. Not supposed to be there but it looks better! Again reading your thread people have sent their print back because of Ink or what have you, I would have thought that unless it is damaged i.e creased or torn, a mistake like that enhances the print, for me as it shows that it is not turned out by the thousand and had a bit of human contact, perhaps |
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Low print number, by craigf on Jan 6, 2008 18:33:29 GMT 1, I have an odd background colour to my Napalm print, it's a bit lighter in one corner. Adds to the print imho, makes mine just a little bit different (but not as different or nice as some of the AP's I've seen ;D )
666 would be a great number for GIWTBB and a 69 Head LOL
I have an odd background colour to my Napalm print, it's a bit lighter in one corner. Adds to the print imho, makes mine just a little bit different (but not as different or nice as some of the AP's I've seen ;D ) 666 would be a great number for GIWTBB and a 69 Head LOL |
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Low print number, by spencerlee on Jan 6, 2008 19:22:19 GMT 1, Yeah, people have wanted lower numbers for years. Just appeals to the collector mentality. Beatles - White Album vinyl originally came out with a number stamp on it, and traditionally the lower numbers are more sought after. The very first ones went to the band and friends obviously.
Yeah, people have wanted lower numbers for years. Just appeals to the collector mentality. Beatles - White Album vinyl originally came out with a number stamp on it, and traditionally the lower numbers are more sought after. The very first ones went to the band and friends obviously.
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just so that when its all framed up on the wall and they are showing it off to everyone that visits 
by having a low number it means you were in with that Artist right at the start of the print run, so must be a serious fan to get such a low number.
