jonesy
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using tv/copyright imagery, by jonesy on Jan 10, 2008 14:01:40 GMT 1, I have been asked about producing a number of prints using characters from various uk and us tv shows. As street art they are fine and I don't have a problem using them as grafitti images, but as prints for sale would the publisher/artist get hammered for breach of copyright? Has anyone using BBC, Disney or MacDonalds images for example, had problems..we are a fledgling set up with no money, and while there may be no such thing as bad publicity, we want to be able to do our stuff, cause some amusement and thought, but not get closed down by a law suit within weeks.
The themes are diverse and subversive, but won't be saying 'such and such is a carp product', just want to use familiar icons to make a number of points. Not wildly original I know, but lots of fun to be had still, and we have ideas that make us jump up and down with glee and we want to get them out there. Thanks for any feedback.
I have been asked about producing a number of prints using characters from various uk and us tv shows. As street art they are fine and I don't have a problem using them as grafitti images, but as prints for sale would the publisher/artist get hammered for breach of copyright? Has anyone using BBC, Disney or MacDonalds images for example, had problems..we are a fledgling set up with no money, and while there may be no such thing as bad publicity, we want to be able to do our stuff, cause some amusement and thought, but not get closed down by a law suit within weeks.
The themes are diverse and subversive, but won't be saying 'such and such is a carp product', just want to use familiar icons to make a number of points. Not wildly original I know, but lots of fun to be had still, and we have ideas that make us jump up and down with glee and we want to get them out there. Thanks for any feedback.
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loucastel
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using tv/copyright imagery, by loucastel on Jan 10, 2008 14:20:05 GMT 1, I do know that Disney are very hot on having their images reproduced without permission. the others I dont know I'm sure others on here will be able to help, good luck with your new business.
I do know that Disney are very hot on having their images reproduced without permission. the others I dont know I'm sure others on here will be able to help, good luck with your new business.
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Michael Jacob
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using tv/copyright imagery, by Michael Jacob on Jan 10, 2008 14:36:31 GMT 1, thats a tough question. legally, you shouldnt do it, but it seems everyone does. I too want to use images that are either copyrighted or at least someone elses intellectual property. Look at Banksys napalm. Hes using the famous war photo image (the photographers property), Ronald McDonald and Mickey Mouse. Talk about a powerhouse of images!
What about Dorothy from Wizard of Oz? What about Kate Moss? What about Golf Sale? What about HMV? What about Pulp Fiction?
These are just a few that come to mind. Take a look at Warhol, he did the same thing. If you find out any more, Id really like to hear what others said. Good post.
thats a tough question. legally, you shouldnt do it, but it seems everyone does. I too want to use images that are either copyrighted or at least someone elses intellectual property. Look at Banksys napalm. Hes using the famous war photo image (the photographers property), Ronald McDonald and Mickey Mouse. Talk about a powerhouse of images!
What about Dorothy from Wizard of Oz? What about Kate Moss? What about Golf Sale? What about HMV? What about Pulp Fiction?
These are just a few that come to mind. Take a look at Warhol, he did the same thing. If you find out any more, Id really like to hear what others said. Good post.
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using tv/copyright imagery, by imbue on Jan 10, 2008 14:43:48 GMT 1, Did'nt Banksy face some legal action with Disney over the greenpeace 'save or delete' poster?
imbue.
Did'nt Banksy face some legal action with Disney over the greenpeace 'save or delete' poster?
imbue.
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mievin
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using tv/copyright imagery, by mievin on Jan 10, 2008 14:50:56 GMT 1, I saw a Ron English documentary a few months ago and as I recall both Disney and McDonalds (or one of them) initially tried to stop him doing his art but then eventually left him alone as they felt that the publicity they would receive would not be good. I know on official Warhol Soup posters the small print on it states "Trademarks licensed by Campbells Soup" but Banksy's Tesco ones don't!
I saw a Ron English documentary a few months ago and as I recall both Disney and McDonalds (or one of them) initially tried to stop him doing his art but then eventually left him alone as they felt that the publicity they would receive would not be good. I know on official Warhol Soup posters the small print on it states "Trademarks licensed by Campbells Soup" but Banksy's Tesco ones don't!
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jonesy
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using tv/copyright imagery, by jonesy on Jan 10, 2008 23:17:31 GMT 1, Thanks for interesting examples. Some of the people we want to use are dead, some are alive and themselves while others are characters from current/recent tv series. Will probably just go for it, always better to apologise afterwards than ask permission before...
Thanks for interesting examples. Some of the people we want to use are dead, some are alive and themselves while others are characters from current/recent tv series. Will probably just go for it, always better to apologise afterwards than ask permission before...
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kingleopald
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using tv/copyright imagery, by kingleopald on Jan 10, 2008 23:46:07 GMT 1, i don't think there's a chance of a lawsuit 'closing you down'. basically if their lawyers do get to hear about it you'd get issued with a writ to cease and desist. obviously if you got one of those you would claim the images have all been distributed and promise to behave in the future. if you're prints get enough exposure to get that kind of response, youre laughing!
i don't think there's a chance of a lawsuit 'closing you down'. basically if their lawyers do get to hear about it you'd get issued with a writ to cease and desist. obviously if you got one of those you would claim the images have all been distributed and promise to behave in the future. if you're prints get enough exposure to get that kind of response, youre laughing!
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jonesy
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using tv/copyright imagery, by jonesy on Jan 11, 2008 0:44:55 GMT 1, That sounds fine, thanks for that.
That sounds fine, thanks for that.
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leumasdarnley
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BONGO
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using tv/copyright imagery, by BONGO on Jan 11, 2008 11:49:45 GMT 1, CORPORATE IMAGES ARE COPYRIGHT FOR A REASON.
MONEY
BONGO IS NOT BEING PERSONAL, BUT SUGGEST THAT THE MANIPULATION OF RECOGNISABLE ICONS TO CONVEY AN ALTERNATE OR SUBVERSIVE MESSAGE IS NEITHER NEW NOR ORIGINAL.
SADLY IT ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TO CREATE BUSINESS FOR AMBULANCE CHASING LAWYERS RETAINED BY CORPORATIONS
BONGO WOULD HUMBLY SUGGEST THAT THE USE OF A CORPORATE IMAGE SHOULD BE TRULY ORIGINAL IN ITS NEW INTERPRETATION FOR BEST EFFECT AND ANONIMITY SHOULD BE THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ANYONE WHO PRODUCES SUCH AN IMAGE. BONGO KNOWS THAT AS BRANDS ARE USING GUERILLA TACTICS THEMSELVES TO PUSH THEIR PRODUCT TO SEEP INTO OUR CONSCIOUSNESS, ECVEN THE SUBVERSIVE SIDE OF ART MAY NOT BE WHAT IT SEEMS
A NEW PARADIGM MAYE BE REQUIRED
CORPORATE IMAGES ARE COPYRIGHT FOR A REASON.
MONEY
BONGO IS NOT BEING PERSONAL, BUT SUGGEST THAT THE MANIPULATION OF RECOGNISABLE ICONS TO CONVEY AN ALTERNATE OR SUBVERSIVE MESSAGE IS NEITHER NEW NOR ORIGINAL.
SADLY IT ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TO CREATE BUSINESS FOR AMBULANCE CHASING LAWYERS RETAINED BY CORPORATIONS
BONGO WOULD HUMBLY SUGGEST THAT THE USE OF A CORPORATE IMAGE SHOULD BE TRULY ORIGINAL IN ITS NEW INTERPRETATION FOR BEST EFFECT AND ANONIMITY SHOULD BE THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ANYONE WHO PRODUCES SUCH AN IMAGE. BONGO KNOWS THAT AS BRANDS ARE USING GUERILLA TACTICS THEMSELVES TO PUSH THEIR PRODUCT TO SEEP INTO OUR CONSCIOUSNESS, ECVEN THE SUBVERSIVE SIDE OF ART MAY NOT BE WHAT IT SEEMS
A NEW PARADIGM MAYE BE REQUIRED
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jonesy
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using tv/copyright imagery, by jonesy on Jan 11, 2008 16:12:53 GMT 1, Yes Bongo I fully agree, and I have concerns about it, but the images I want to use are not logos but characters and personalities from other media. Monroe and Che are the obvious examples that are copyright images used by thousands without worry, I'm interested in the way smaller figures in our cultural experience (childhood / teen tv faves, pop culture icons), resonate now, and what messages they can carry. For instance, if I wanted to use an image of Richard and Judy in some way, there would be a wide spectrum of possibilities for what they could be doing in that image , but are they a 'brand' that is protected ? The weight and impact many tv characters / actors carry in our cultural memory is fascinating, and while I know it is cliche'd there are still so many themes to explore in this, I feel, but I take your point all the same.
Yes Bongo I fully agree, and I have concerns about it, but the images I want to use are not logos but characters and personalities from other media. Monroe and Che are the obvious examples that are copyright images used by thousands without worry, I'm interested in the way smaller figures in our cultural experience (childhood / teen tv faves, pop culture icons), resonate now, and what messages they can carry. For instance, if I wanted to use an image of Richard and Judy in some way, there would be a wide spectrum of possibilities for what they could be doing in that image , but are they a 'brand' that is protected ? The weight and impact many tv characters / actors carry in our cultural memory is fascinating, and while I know it is cliche'd there are still so many themes to explore in this, I feel, but I take your point all the same.
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jonesy
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using tv/copyright imagery, by jonesy on Jan 11, 2008 16:18:29 GMT 1, And isnt there another post around of advertising using spray images of Sylvester Stallone to promote his last film? Bongo is quite correct to highlight the corporate hijacking of this art...eyes open.
And isnt there another post around of advertising using spray images of Sylvester Stallone to promote his last film? Bongo is quite correct to highlight the corporate hijacking of this art...eyes open.
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BK83
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using tv/copyright imagery, by BK83 on Jan 11, 2008 16:33:36 GMT 1, I believe there is something called the "artists bill of rights", whereupon if the art is intended as some sort of social commentary and is 'part' of the larger image, as opposed to 'being the focus of the larger image' then the artist is protected under first ammendment rights (free speech).
Also, something worth noting. If you use the original of something you own, ie. A McDonald's bag, a coca cola wrapper, actual pieces from disney toy packaging, or etc. (I'm talking something paid for or that has come into your posession legally -- by law that constitutes some sort of 'trade agreement'), then you are fit to change/alter/paint on/whatever and sell said art piece without the threat of legal action because a.) you own it and it is therefore yours to do with as you please and b.) you have not "copied" anything, you are using the original product. Intellectual copyright issues refer to the act of 'copying'. anytime a reproduction is made of a copyrighted image that is where you come into copyright law. If you tamper with the original of something you are fine - again you are protected under first ammendment rights (free speech).
I believe there is something called the "artists bill of rights", whereupon if the art is intended as some sort of social commentary and is 'part' of the larger image, as opposed to 'being the focus of the larger image' then the artist is protected under first ammendment rights (free speech).
Also, something worth noting. If you use the original of something you own, ie. A McDonald's bag, a coca cola wrapper, actual pieces from disney toy packaging, or etc. (I'm talking something paid for or that has come into your posession legally -- by law that constitutes some sort of 'trade agreement'), then you are fit to change/alter/paint on/whatever and sell said art piece without the threat of legal action because a.) you own it and it is therefore yours to do with as you please and b.) you have not "copied" anything, you are using the original product. Intellectual copyright issues refer to the act of 'copying'. anytime a reproduction is made of a copyrighted image that is where you come into copyright law. If you tamper with the original of something you are fine - again you are protected under first ammendment rights (free speech).
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Michael Jacob
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using tv/copyright imagery, by Michael Jacob on Jan 11, 2008 16:45:31 GMT 1, leumasdarnley,
great read on recut, reframe and recycle!
leumasdarnley,
great read on recut, reframe and recycle!
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gozgoz
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using tv/copyright imagery, by gozgoz on Jan 11, 2008 16:57:38 GMT 1, This probably has been posted a million times but its an article on how Shep Fairey rips off just about everything without bothering to even add his own personal touches to it.
www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm
This probably has been posted a million times but its an article on how Shep Fairey rips off just about everything without bothering to even add his own personal touches to it. www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm
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jonesy
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using tv/copyright imagery, by jonesy on Jan 11, 2008 17:27:35 GMT 1, Thanks for links and info, great reading and food for thought
Thanks for links and info, great reading and food for thought
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gozgoz
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using tv/copyright imagery, by gozgoz on Jan 11, 2008 17:29:00 GMT 1, Shouldnt Disney be mighty annoyed with Bast then?
Shouldnt Disney be mighty annoyed with Bast then?
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BK83
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using tv/copyright imagery, by BK83 on Jan 13, 2008 7:45:01 GMT 1, This probably has been posted a million times but its an article on how Shep Fairey rips off just about everything without bothering to even add his own personal touches to it. www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm
Great link, great read. +1
I think what needs to be addressed here is that Shep's Obey Campaign did not initially start out about the art/imagery. It was about getting up anywhere, anytime! So with regards to his ealry pieces that may have been plagiarized, who cares. now thathe is big time though, I think he realy needs to readdress this thing. especially considering he has a ridiculous team of graphic designers working for him now. I mean the Greeting from Iraq pieces is fairly new, so why he was copying that I have no idea?! you'd think 15 years in the game he would have some sort of orignality?! I dont mind artists being influenced by a certain style of art, but this sort of copying is balls to the wall embarasing for Shep/.
This probably has been posted a million times but its an article on how Shep Fairey rips off just about everything without bothering to even add his own personal touches to it. www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htmGreat link, great read. +1 I think what needs to be addressed here is that Shep's Obey Campaign did not initially start out about the art/imagery. It was about getting up anywhere, anytime! So with regards to his ealry pieces that may have been plagiarized, who cares. now thathe is big time though, I think he realy needs to readdress this thing. especially considering he has a ridiculous team of graphic designers working for him now. I mean the Greeting from Iraq pieces is fairly new, so why he was copying that I have no idea?! you'd think 15 years in the game he would have some sort of orignality?! I dont mind artists being influenced by a certain style of art, but this sort of copying is balls to the wall embarasing for Shep/.
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