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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Yessir on Dec 21, 2007 0:52:19 GMT 1, I wonder what Banksy has got lined up for 2008 obviously after the LA series of prints is done and dusted.
Part of me wondered if he might pull the plug on his career, sooner rather than later, after achieving most of the things he set out to do.
But with LAZ opening the new shop, I can't really see that happening now?
Input welcome from all ( waves olive branch frantically)
I wonder what Banksy has got lined up for 2008 obviously after the LA series of prints is done and dusted.
Part of me wondered if he might pull the plug on his career, sooner rather than later, after achieving most of the things he set out to do.
But with LAZ opening the new shop, I can't really see that happening now?
Input welcome from all ( waves olive branch frantically)
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Daniel Silk on Dec 21, 2007 0:57:15 GMT 1, Be interesting to see how the Laz Print Shop and POW pans out, Whos gonna print and sell what? Would the printing of future Banksy's be done at Laz? or is that place only really set up to handle small run of 10-50 print at a time.
Be interesting to see how the Laz Print Shop and POW pans out, Whos gonna print and sell what? Would the printing of future Banksy's be done at Laz? or is that place only really set up to handle small run of 10-50 print at a time.
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by bullet on Dec 21, 2007 0:57:26 GMT 1, Well if this hirst and banksy collaboration is true then anything can happen. Prices will go mental IMO as he will really be getting into the big league of major art galleries. This time it will be for real rather than him smuggling stuff in to put on show...
Well if this hirst and banksy collaboration is true then anything can happen. Prices will go mental IMO as he will really be getting into the big league of major art galleries. This time it will be for real rather than him smuggling stuff in to put on show...
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Coach on Dec 21, 2007 1:00:50 GMT 1, can't see him packing it all in. he's an artist, so i imagine he has a creative urge that needs to be expressed.
whether there will be more prints, thats a different matter. who knows? only him i guess.
my guess is more street work, but just a guess
can't see him packing it all in. he's an artist, so i imagine he has a creative urge that needs to be expressed. whether there will be more prints, thats a different matter. who knows? only him i guess. my guess is more street work, but just a guess |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Yessir on Dec 21, 2007 1:04:01 GMT 1, Hirst and Banksy 
If that is true 2008 is going to be a monster, I read an article somewhere and LAZ spoke very highly of Hirst, so it could have some logic to it.
Plus you know Hirst is a fan of the scene, P Insect will know what I'm talking about 
Hirst and Banksy If that is true 2008 is going to be a monster, I read an article somewhere and LAZ spoke very highly of Hirst, so it could have some logic to it. Plus you know Hirst is a fan of the scene, P Insect will know what I'm talking about |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Daniel Silk on Dec 21, 2007 1:09:51 GMT 1, Seem to remember reading a piece ages ago about Hirst rents a studio to Banksy so they must know each other pretty well.
Seem to remember reading a piece ages ago about Hirst rents a studio to Banksy so they must know each other pretty well. |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by matbat on Dec 21, 2007 1:24:20 GMT 1, yep hirst and banksy are definitely bummers. I reckon Banksy will be on "relocation, relocation" in a few years doing up his ideal cottage in the woods. Maybe he will lend his crayon to hirst for his signatures. really bad signature banksy.
sort it out graffman.
yep hirst and banksy are definitely bummers. I reckon Banksy will be on "relocation, relocation" in a few years doing up his ideal cottage in the woods. Maybe he will lend his crayon to hirst for his signatures. really bad signature banksy.
sort it out graffman.
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by bullet on Dec 21, 2007 1:28:04 GMT 1, its more of a tag to be honest, its not a signature.
your would get cramp as well if you had to sign your name 500 times for one print run.
its more of a tag to be honest, its not a signature.
your would get cramp as well if you had to sign your name 500 times for one print run.
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by morrissey1 on Dec 21, 2007 2:41:16 GMT 1, Not that it would happen, but wouldn't it be nice to see Banksy and Hirst collaborate on a whole show? Prints, originals, books...the whole thing....not that any of us would be able to afford any of it, but still, would be a nice dream
Not that it would happen, but wouldn't it be nice to see Banksy and Hirst collaborate on a whole show? Prints, originals, books...the whole thing....not that any of us would be able to afford any of it, but still, would be a nice dream
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by arcam on Dec 21, 2007 2:45:53 GMT 1, I don't get the appeal of Hirst. 
I don't get the appeal of Hirst. |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by morrissey1 on Dec 21, 2007 3:12:27 GMT 1, I don't get the appeal of Hirst.
the only thing of Hirst's that I love, and was able to get, was/is the dots. I love those things. I came along too late and now they're a touch expensive, but still, they are at the top of my "want" list....any version......I think Hirst's ability to question 'what really is art' mixed with Banksy's ability to question 'who cares what art really is' balances each other off perfectly -- ( I envision monkeys, and dots, and skulls, and rats, and syringes.......)
I don't get the appeal of Hirst. the only thing of Hirst's that I love, and was able to get, was/is the dots. I love those things. I came along too late and now they're a touch expensive, but still, they are at the top of my "want" list....any version......I think Hirst's ability to question 'what really is art' mixed with Banksy's ability to question 'who cares what art really is' balances each other off perfectly -- ( I envision monkeys, and dots, and skulls, and rats, and syringes.......) |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by otomi on Dec 21, 2007 3:36:06 GMT 1, I wonder what Banksy has got lined up for 2008 obviously after the LA series of prints is done and dusted. Part of me wondered if he might pull the plug on his career, sooner rather than later, after achieving most of the things he set out to do. But with LAZ opening the new shop, I can't really see that happening now? Input welcome from all ( waves olive branch frantically)
banksy isn't just going to stop it is a passion to him he is an real artist he doesn't stop because he made some money - opposite now he can do even more
I wonder what Banksy has got lined up for 2008 obviously after the LA series of prints is done and dusted. Part of me wondered if he might pull the plug on his career, sooner rather than later, after achieving most of the things he set out to do. But with LAZ opening the new shop, I can't really see that happening now? Input welcome from all ( waves olive branch frantically) banksy isn't just going to stop it is a passion to him he is an real artist he doesn't stop because he made some money - opposite now he can do even more |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by BK83 on Dec 21, 2007 6:20:06 GMT 1, Why would Banksy stop?! Thats ludicrous. No artist stops! If this Banksy and Hirst thing does happen then I guess a lot of art critics will be eating their words about the Banksy bubble bursting, won't they!?!
Why would Banksy stop?! Thats ludicrous. No artist stops! If this Banksy and Hirst thing does happen then I guess a lot of art critics will be eating their words about the Banksy bubble bursting, won't they!?!
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by mammal2 on Dec 21, 2007 7:06:59 GMT 1, Banksy is for life not just for Christmas. The orginals that Hirst has off Banksy are simply mind blowing. The Napalm is MAAASSSIIIVVVE!
Banksy is for life not just for Christmas. The orginals that Hirst has off Banksy are simply mind blowing. The Napalm is MAAASSSIIIVVVE!
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by wimpy on Dec 21, 2007 11:50:47 GMT 1, I think Hirst's ability to question 'what really is art' mixed with Banksy's ability to question 'who cares what art really is' balances each other off perfectly
Well said. +
I think Hirst's ability to question 'what really is art' mixed with Banksy's ability to question 'who cares what art really is' balances each other off perfectly Well said. + |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by slowmo on Dec 21, 2007 11:56:53 GMT 1, Sound like hype from helium gallery. Cant see Banksy and Hirst working together, could see an american gallery doing an unauthorised Banksy vs Hirst in the Warhol vs Banksy style. Hirst has already helped Banksy out plenty and Banksy doesn't really need any more help these days.
Sound like hype from helium gallery. Cant see Banksy and Hirst working together, could see an american gallery doing an unauthorised Banksy vs Hirst in the Warhol vs Banksy style. Hirst has already helped Banksy out plenty and Banksy doesn't really need any more help these days.
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by uksnowman on Dec 21, 2007 16:55:40 GMT 1, I don't get the appeal of Hirst.
I don't get it either. Can someone explain? Maybe seeing is believing and I haven't seen any of his work in the flesh...
I don't get the appeal of Hirst. I don't get it either. Can someone explain? Maybe seeing is believing and I haven't seen any of his work in the flesh... |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by krazy on Dec 21, 2007 23:24:48 GMT 1, I can definitely see Hirst and Banksy working together.
I was told awhile ago by a prominent artist, and close friend of mine how Banksy and Hirst met... and how Hirst initially bankrolled Banksy years ago.
I can definitely see Hirst and Banksy working together.
I was told awhile ago by a prominent artist, and close friend of mine how Banksy and Hirst met... and how Hirst initially bankrolled Banksy years ago.
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Yessir on Dec 21, 2007 23:37:49 GMT 1, I can definitely see Hirst and Banksy working together. I was told awhile ago by a prominent artist, and close friend of mine how Banksy and Hirst met... and how Hirst initially bankrolled Banksy years ago.
I hope it does happen, I can't start to imagine what them two would come up with....
I can definitely see Hirst and Banksy working together. I was told awhile ago by a prominent artist, and close friend of mine how Banksy and Hirst met... and how Hirst initially bankrolled Banksy years ago. I hope it does happen, I can't start to imagine what them two would come up with.... |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by manchestermike on Dec 21, 2007 23:41:53 GMT 1, Is the LAZ print shop a Ghetto equivalent or a permanent fixture? According to the Laz site it shuts xmas eve, but that may just be for xmas
Oh, and Yessir... how about you do me the courtesy of replying to my thread, or if you don't want to in public at least my PMs
Is the LAZ print shop a Ghetto equivalent or a permanent fixture? According to the Laz site it shuts xmas eve, but that may just be for xmas
Oh, and Yessir... how about you do me the courtesy of replying to my thread, or if you don't want to in public at least my PMs
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by graeme501 on Dec 22, 2007 0:40:08 GMT 1, i dont
i dont
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by slowmo on Dec 22, 2007 10:45:12 GMT 1, Sorry to say it guys, I can see bad things for Banksy in 2008. Don't get me wrong I have been a fan for longer than most, 1998 to be exact, I have followed his work with great interest and picked up some nice work along the way. But and it's a big But, because I have been a fan for so long I have heard a lot also and I am afraid the thing I hear the most is how Laz is not doing it for Banksy and what will be his legacy. It really is a string of disasters, COA is one of the main issues that will come back to haunt Banksy's work forever, how many of you have had proper COA letters and I am not talking about POW email reciepts which will mean F**K ALL in 10 years time, also if any of you have had to deal with Laz you will know what I am talking about. I was just talking today to a very big art dealer in Kensington, I think you might know who I mean and he thinks the whole signature change thing is just a Joke a very bad one. Think of it this way, imagine you have followed the release of the LA Banksy set on POW and you managed to purchase all of the prints thus far. How mad would you be when the trollies gets released and you find Banksy has changed his signature, that ain't going to look to good on the wall is it.
Wouldnt pay a lot of attention to the sig comment
Didnt put people off Picasso in the long run
Sorry to say it guys, I can see bad things for Banksy in 2008. Don't get me wrong I have been a fan for longer than most, 1998 to be exact, I have followed his work with great interest and picked up some nice work along the way. But and it's a big But, because I have been a fan for so long I have heard a lot also and I am afraid the thing I hear the most is how Laz is not doing it for Banksy and what will be his legacy. It really is a string of disasters, COA is one of the main issues that will come back to haunt Banksy's work forever, how many of you have had proper COA letters and I am not talking about POW email reciepts which will mean F**K ALL in 10 years time, also if any of you have had to deal with Laz you will know what I am talking about. I was just talking today to a very big art dealer in Kensington, I think you might know who I mean and he thinks the whole signature change thing is just a Joke a very bad one. Think of it this way, imagine you have followed the release of the LA Banksy set on POW and you managed to purchase all of the prints thus far. How mad would you be when the trollies gets released and you find Banksy has changed his signature, that ain't going to look to good on the wall is it. Wouldnt pay a lot of attention to the sig comment Didnt put people off Picasso in the long run |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by lesroy on Dec 22, 2007 12:30:11 GMT 1, I reckon another Stop & Search type print atleast... all of his street pieces have been along that theme since glastonbury (my fav one!)
I reckon another Stop & Search type print atleast... all of his street pieces have been along that theme since glastonbury (my fav one!)
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by Yessir on Dec 22, 2007 12:39:15 GMT 1, I reckon another Stop & Search type print atleast... all of his street pieces have been along that theme since glastonbury (my fav one!)
I was speaking to a friend recently, who said Banksy directed one of Blak Twang's music videos "kik off" and might be doing a bit more directing in 2008, but nothing is set in concrete, you just never know with Mr B.
I reckon another Stop & Search type print atleast... all of his street pieces have been along that theme since glastonbury (my fav one!) I was speaking to a friend recently, who said Banksy directed one of Blak Twang's music videos "kik off" and might be doing a bit more directing in 2008, but nothing is set in concrete, you just never know with Mr B. |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by aginghippie on Dec 22, 2007 13:16:51 GMT 1, Sorry to say it guys, I can see bad things for Banksy in 2008. ... It really is a string of disasters, COA is one of the main issues that will come back to haunt Banksy's work forever, how many of you have had proper COA letters and I am not talking about POW email reciepts which will mean F**K ALL in 10 years time, also if any of you have had to deal with Laz you will know what I am talking about.
That's bang on target. Today people buying and selling are enthusiasts and COA are not that important. At some point down the road that is going to have to change if Banksy is to hit the big time because the broader market cares about this. Prices are still low enough for this to be a bit of fun, but I would never buy an expensive piece without rock solid provenance.
You might not want to sell now but what happens when a piece you *really* want comes along? Art collecting is about trading up rather than simply covering walls - I like this piece, I'd love that piece... If you want that piece at some point you will need to sell so this really does matter.
The other point is that at some point it will become worth seriously counterfeiting these prints (in some cases it may already be) but large unsigned runs with multiple editions lend themselves to this. Are you buying a real print or a knock-off, do you care?
Sorry to say it guys, I can see bad things for Banksy in 2008. ... It really is a string of disasters, COA is one of the main issues that will come back to haunt Banksy's work forever, how many of you have had proper COA letters and I am not talking about POW email reciepts which will mean F**K ALL in 10 years time, also if any of you have had to deal with Laz you will know what I am talking about. That's bang on target. Today people buying and selling are enthusiasts and COA are not that important. At some point down the road that is going to have to change if Banksy is to hit the big time because the broader market cares about this. Prices are still low enough for this to be a bit of fun, but I would never buy an expensive piece without rock solid provenance. You might not want to sell now but what happens when a piece you *really* want comes along? Art collecting is about trading up rather than simply covering walls - I like this piece, I'd love that piece... If you want that piece at some point you will need to sell so this really does matter. The other point is that at some point it will become worth seriously counterfeiting these prints (in some cases it may already be) but large unsigned runs with multiple editions lend themselves to this. Are you buying a real print or a knock-off, do you care? |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by monstris on Dec 24, 2007 4:13:41 GMT 1, I can definitely see Hirst and Banksy working together. I was told awhile ago by a prominent artist, and close friend of mine how Banksy and Hirst met... and how Hirst initially bankrolled Banksy years ago.
When the TomTom Gallery was still up and running, a huge Hirst dots piece was complimented with the Banksy 'Glory' canvas and a few other pieces. Looked really nice.
I can definitely see Hirst and Banksy working together. I was told awhile ago by a prominent artist, and close friend of mine how Banksy and Hirst met... and how Hirst initially bankrolled Banksy years ago. When the TomTom Gallery was still up and running, a huge Hirst dots piece was complimented with the Banksy 'Glory' canvas and a few other pieces. Looked really nice. |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by RBK on Dec 24, 2007 4:42:24 GMT 1, Think of it this way, imagine you have followed the release of the LA Banksy set on POW and you managed to purchase all of the prints thus far. How mad would you be when the trollies gets released and you find Banksy has changed his signature, that ain't going to look to good on the wall is it.
I'm extremely anal-retentive/obsessive/type-A - and even I can say if you are buying works of art because of 'signature conformity' you:
1. should probably get some medication
2. are missing the point of the actual art
Think of it this way, imagine you have followed the release of the LA Banksy set on POW and you managed to purchase all of the prints thus far. How mad would you be when the trollies gets released and you find Banksy has changed his signature, that ain't going to look to good on the wall is it. I'm extremely anal-retentive/obsessive/type-A - and even I can say if you are buying works of art because of 'signature conformity' you: 1. should probably get some medication 2. are missing the point of the actual art |
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by todd on Dec 24, 2007 7:46:28 GMT 1, art collecting is not about trading up to me. art collecting is about hoarding a supply of art that brings a smile or some kind of reaction to your life.
of course though i do agree that when you start spending money at a certain level, you must have a business sense about it, and with that should come concerns about provenance and authenticity and such.
i think 2008 is going to be even bigger than 2007 for banksy in terms of growing exposure, but i am not quite sure about what's in store artistically, or down the road in terms of other concerns. i kind of imagine that this current "period" of his is going to hit a peak and then something new will begin.
art collecting is not about trading up to me. art collecting is about hoarding a supply of art that brings a smile or some kind of reaction to your life.
of course though i do agree that when you start spending money at a certain level, you must have a business sense about it, and with that should come concerns about provenance and authenticity and such.
i think 2008 is going to be even bigger than 2007 for banksy in terms of growing exposure, but i am not quite sure about what's in store artistically, or down the road in terms of other concerns. i kind of imagine that this current "period" of his is going to hit a peak and then something new will begin.
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2008 + Banksy = ?, by aginghippie on Dec 24, 2007 23:54:09 GMT 1, art collecting is not about trading up to me. art collecting is about hoarding a supply of art that brings a smile or some kind of reaction to your life. of course though i do agree that when you start spending money at a certain level, you must have a business sense about it, and with that should come concerns about provenance and authenticity and such. i think 2008 is going to be even bigger than 2007 for banksy in terms of growing exposure, but i am not quite sure about what's in store artistically, or down the road in terms of other concerns. i kind of imagine that this current "period" of his is going to hit a peak and then something new will begin.
You never consider that you might sell a couple of pieces to buy one that you really want which has just appeared? Because if you do then provenance matters and will matter more in the future if this market grows. If you will really never ever sell then it's much less important as only you need to be happy that it's authentic.
I buy art in two groups - expensive works that I will have to sell one day cos I can only afford a few and there are so many I want - for these I need bulletproof provenance. And cheaper works that I can afford to hold indefinitely - for these provenance is not as critical as I see that money as spent and don't expect to get it back.
Banksy prints are still in the latter camp but if he ever moves into the former then any of his work I buy from that point onwards will have to have bulletproof provenance because I will need to sell it later myself to recover the money and that will be difficult without provenance.
art collecting is not about trading up to me. art collecting is about hoarding a supply of art that brings a smile or some kind of reaction to your life. of course though i do agree that when you start spending money at a certain level, you must have a business sense about it, and with that should come concerns about provenance and authenticity and such. i think 2008 is going to be even bigger than 2007 for banksy in terms of growing exposure, but i am not quite sure about what's in store artistically, or down the road in terms of other concerns. i kind of imagine that this current "period" of his is going to hit a peak and then something new will begin. You never consider that you might sell a couple of pieces to buy one that you really want which has just appeared? Because if you do then provenance matters and will matter more in the future if this market grows. If you will really never ever sell then it's much less important as only you need to be happy that it's authentic. I buy art in two groups - expensive works that I will have to sell one day cos I can only afford a few and there are so many I want - for these I need bulletproof provenance. And cheaper works that I can afford to hold indefinitely - for these provenance is not as critical as I see that money as spent and don't expect to get it back. Banksy prints are still in the latter camp but if he ever moves into the former then any of his work I buy from that point onwards will have to have bulletproof provenance because I will need to sell it later myself to recover the money and that will be difficult without provenance. |
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