fourputt
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by fourputt on Dec 23, 2007 16:54:23 GMT 1, Is it just me or has availabilty of older(pre-LA) Banksy prints for purchase been shrinking? I am somewhat new to this and am trying to build a collection. The problem is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find anything worth buying. Maybe it is the pieces I am after- WSM, BMW, HAND, J+J etc? I understand that people are probably now holding on to stuff because of the explosion of the scene. Just wondering if it is my imagination or have the members here that have followed these artists forever noticed the same thing?
Is it just me or has availabilty of older(pre-LA) Banksy prints for purchase been shrinking? I am somewhat new to this and am trying to build a collection. The problem is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find anything worth buying. Maybe it is the pieces I am after- WSM, BMW, HAND, J+J etc? I understand that people are probably now holding on to stuff because of the explosion of the scene. Just wondering if it is my imagination or have the members here that have followed these artists forever noticed the same thing?
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Simococo
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by Simococo on Dec 23, 2007 16:57:10 GMT 1, part of the problem may be the time of year. Its not a great time to secure a good price, so therefore many sellers are probably waiting for next year.
part of the problem may be the time of year. Its not a great time to secure a good price, so therefore many sellers are probably waiting for next year.
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by Daniel Silk on Dec 23, 2007 16:57:45 GMT 1, Yeah, looks that way. I think people can see Banksy becoming much bigger over the next few years so are not so willing to let those older print go.
Yeah, looks that way. I think people can see Banksy becoming much bigger over the next few years so are not so willing to let those older print go.
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lastpost
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uglyiq
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by uglyiq on Dec 23, 2007 21:01:29 GMT 1, ...or be organised enough to keep the original receipts from 2003
...or be organised enough to keep the original receipts from 2003
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BME
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by BME on Dec 24, 2007 2:01:27 GMT 1, Is it just me or has availabilty of older(pre-LA) Banksy prints for purchase been shrinking? I am somewhat new to this and am trying to build a collection. The problem is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find anything worth buying. Maybe it is the pieces I am after- WSM, BMW, HAND, J+J etc? I understand that people are probably now holding on to stuff because of the explosion of the scene. Just wondering if it is my imagination or have the members here that have followed these artists forever noticed the same thing?
Yep, I think that many of the older prints are in the hands of committed collectors and they don't come up for sale much. You would probably pay more for an unsigned version of RC, GWB, LN, BME etc than for a signed trolleys or S&S.
Is it just me or has availabilty of older(pre-LA) Banksy prints for purchase been shrinking? I am somewhat new to this and am trying to build a collection. The problem is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find anything worth buying. Maybe it is the pieces I am after- WSM, BMW, HAND, J+J etc? I understand that people are probably now holding on to stuff because of the explosion of the scene. Just wondering if it is my imagination or have the members here that have followed these artists forever noticed the same thing? Yep, I think that many of the older prints are in the hands of committed collectors and they don't come up for sale much. You would probably pay more for an unsigned version of RC, GWB, LN, BME etc than for a signed trolleys or S&S.
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by darjeeling on Dec 24, 2007 5:08:59 GMT 1, I don't think there's a single Banksy print that has not come up for sale on ebay this year. You can wait years sometimes to find the print you want by many other artists so I don't know I'd say they're in short supply.
I think right now some people are waiting to see what happens as prices have stunk recently but also we saw a TON of prints go up for sale at Bloomsbury's, Bonhams, Christies etc. so much of the recent supply got shifted that way and not ebay - I'm sure we'll see more in the spring auctions.
And how do you define 'committed collectors'? I'm sure many of those old prints were bought up by people for super cheap, as it may not have been a huge expense out of their budget they may not be as pressured to sell. But as we've seen these will come up when those folks need to make major purchases.
I don't think there's a single Banksy print that has not come up for sale on ebay this year. You can wait years sometimes to find the print you want by many other artists so I don't know I'd say they're in short supply.
I think right now some people are waiting to see what happens as prices have stunk recently but also we saw a TON of prints go up for sale at Bloomsbury's, Bonhams, Christies etc. so much of the recent supply got shifted that way and not ebay - I'm sure we'll see more in the spring auctions.
And how do you define 'committed collectors'? I'm sure many of those old prints were bought up by people for super cheap, as it may not have been a huge expense out of their budget they may not be as pressured to sell. But as we've seen these will come up when those folks need to make major purchases.
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BME
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by BME on Dec 24, 2007 6:44:26 GMT 1, I don't think there's a single Banksy print that has not come up for sale on ebay this year. You can wait years sometimes to find the print you want by many other artists so I don't know I'd say they're in short supply. I think right now some people are waiting to see what happens as prices have stunk recently but also we saw a TON of prints go up for sale at Bloomsbury's, Bonhams, Christies etc. so much of the recent supply got shifted that way and not ebay - I'm sure we'll see more in the spring auctions. And how do you define 'committed collectors'? I'm sure many of those old prints were bought up by people for super cheap, as it may not have been a huge expense out of their budget they may not be as pressured to sell. But as we've seen these will come up when those folks need to make major purchases.
You're right about all the Banksy prints having come up on ebay this year but clearly some are rarer than others. There's been no shortage of trolleys but trying to obtain a TW, RC, GWB, BME etc would be more challenging.
For me a committed collector is someone who buys with the intention of holding onto a print long term. It doesn't mean that they won't ever sell, just that they are less likely to do so.
I don't think there's a single Banksy print that has not come up for sale on ebay this year. You can wait years sometimes to find the print you want by many other artists so I don't know I'd say they're in short supply. I think right now some people are waiting to see what happens as prices have stunk recently but also we saw a TON of prints go up for sale at Bloomsbury's, Bonhams, Christies etc. so much of the recent supply got shifted that way and not ebay - I'm sure we'll see more in the spring auctions. And how do you define 'committed collectors'? I'm sure many of those old prints were bought up by people for super cheap, as it may not have been a huge expense out of their budget they may not be as pressured to sell. But as we've seen these will come up when those folks need to make major purchases. You're right about all the Banksy prints having come up on ebay this year but clearly some are rarer than others. There's been no shortage of trolleys but trying to obtain a TW, RC, GWB, BME etc would be more challenging. For me a committed collector is someone who buys with the intention of holding onto a print long term. It doesn't mean that they won't ever sell, just that they are less likely to do so.
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BONGO
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by BONGO on Dec 24, 2007 11:08:51 GMT 1, MAYBE EARLIER BANKSYS HAVE CHARM AND WIT THAT COULD WELL BE ABSENT FROM LATER PIECES.
BONGO HAS HEARD THAT AMERICANS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IRONY. BONGO OF COURSE KNOWS THIS TO BE IF NOT A FALSHOOD, AT LEAST AN EXAGGERATION.
BONGO DOES HOWEVER SEE A LINEAR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CURIOUSLY OFF CENTRE BRITISH TINGED EARLY BANKSYS - MOCKING STEADFASTLY BRITISH ICONS AND SYMBOLS, AND THE FAR WEAKER LA AND BEYOND SERIES OF IMAGES.
BONGO ARGUE THAT THERE COULD BE A CASE FOR ARGUING THAT IN ORDER TO LASSOO THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET, LATER IMAGES HAVE TO BE LESS SPECIFIC TO CATER TO THE DIFFERENCES IN PERCEPTION BETWEEN THE POPULACES.
TO BONGO, THE TURF WAR IMAGE IS MORE THAN JUST A PICTURE OF CHURCHILL WITH A HURON STYLE GRASS ADDITION, BUT BONGO ALSO AWARE THAT THE SUBTLE NUANCES OF THE IMAGE, THE DAYS EVENTS THAT LED UP TO THIS OFF THE CUFF ACT AND THE IRE IT PROVOKED AMONGST THE MORE STAID BRITISH POPULACE IS WONDERFULLY ICONIC AND EXPRESSLY BRITISH. BONGO THINK THAT UNLESS AMERICAN VIEWER IS VERY WELL READ IN THE MINUTAE OF A LONG HISTORY OF BRITISH PROTEST AND ACTIVISM GOING BACK TO WAT TYLER , THEN THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A ONE DIMENSIONAL IMAGE
BONGO IS ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN AN ARTIST SEEMS TO PONDER TO THE AUDIENCE THAN HIS OWN CREATIVITY
MAYBE EARLIER BANKSYS HAVE CHARM AND WIT THAT COULD WELL BE ABSENT FROM LATER PIECES.
BONGO HAS HEARD THAT AMERICANS DO NOT UNDERSTAND IRONY. BONGO OF COURSE KNOWS THIS TO BE IF NOT A FALSHOOD, AT LEAST AN EXAGGERATION.
BONGO DOES HOWEVER SEE A LINEAR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CURIOUSLY OFF CENTRE BRITISH TINGED EARLY BANKSYS - MOCKING STEADFASTLY BRITISH ICONS AND SYMBOLS, AND THE FAR WEAKER LA AND BEYOND SERIES OF IMAGES.
BONGO ARGUE THAT THERE COULD BE A CASE FOR ARGUING THAT IN ORDER TO LASSOO THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET, LATER IMAGES HAVE TO BE LESS SPECIFIC TO CATER TO THE DIFFERENCES IN PERCEPTION BETWEEN THE POPULACES.
TO BONGO, THE TURF WAR IMAGE IS MORE THAN JUST A PICTURE OF CHURCHILL WITH A HURON STYLE GRASS ADDITION, BUT BONGO ALSO AWARE THAT THE SUBTLE NUANCES OF THE IMAGE, THE DAYS EVENTS THAT LED UP TO THIS OFF THE CUFF ACT AND THE IRE IT PROVOKED AMONGST THE MORE STAID BRITISH POPULACE IS WONDERFULLY ICONIC AND EXPRESSLY BRITISH. BONGO THINK THAT UNLESS AMERICAN VIEWER IS VERY WELL READ IN THE MINUTAE OF A LONG HISTORY OF BRITISH PROTEST AND ACTIVISM GOING BACK TO WAT TYLER , THEN THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A ONE DIMENSIONAL IMAGE
BONGO IS ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN AN ARTIST SEEMS TO PONDER TO THE AUDIENCE THAN HIS OWN CREATIVITY
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loucastel
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by loucastel on Dec 24, 2007 14:35:28 GMT 1, BONGO IS ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN AN ARTIST SEEMS TO PONDER TO THE AUDIENCE THAN HIS OWN CREATIVITY So the reason why his style is changing has obviously got nothing to do with him evolving as an artist and maturing as a person, as the years go by people change, mellow etc, it's the natural course of things, his images now are still very hard hitting and they are of the here and now, very relevant to the state of the world, some people just like to live in the past and compare things to what once was rather than accepting that time and people move on.
BONGO IS ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN AN ARTIST SEEMS TO PONDER TO THE AUDIENCE THAN HIS OWN CREATIVITY So the reason why his style is changing has obviously got nothing to do with him evolving as an artist and maturing as a person, as the years go by people change, mellow etc, it's the natural course of things, his images now are still very hard hitting and they are of the here and now, very relevant to the state of the world, some people just like to live in the past and compare things to what once was rather than accepting that time and people move on.
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BONGO
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by BONGO on Dec 24, 2007 14:50:13 GMT 1, BONGO IS ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN AN ARTIST SEEMS TO PONDER TO THE AUDIENCE THAN HIS OWN CREATIVITY So the reason why his style is changing has obviously got nothing to do with him evolving as an artist and maturing as a person, as the years go by people change, mellow etc, it's the natural course of things, his images now are still very hard hitting and they are of the here and now, very relevant to the state of the world, some people just like to live in the past and compare things to what once was rather than accepting that time and people move on.
BONGO HAS ONLY 2 ALBUMS IN RACK
DAVID BOWIE LOW AND DAVID BOWIE TIN MACHINE
BONGO KNOWS THAT BOTH REPRESENT A SNAPSHOT OF AN ARTISTS DEVELOPMENT AT A SPECIFIC PLACE IN TIME
BONGO WILL NOT WASTE HIS TIME PUTTING ON TIN MACHINE ALBUM AND ACCORDING TO BONGOS RESEARCH, MOST OTHER PEOPLE DO LIKEWISE
BONGO IS ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN AN ARTIST SEEMS TO PONDER TO THE AUDIENCE THAN HIS OWN CREATIVITY So the reason why his style is changing has obviously got nothing to do with him evolving as an artist and maturing as a person, as the years go by people change, mellow etc, it's the natural course of things, his images now are still very hard hitting and they are of the here and now, very relevant to the state of the world, some people just like to live in the past and compare things to what once was rather than accepting that time and people move on. BONGO HAS ONLY 2 ALBUMS IN RACK DAVID BOWIE LOW AND DAVID BOWIE TIN MACHINE BONGO KNOWS THAT BOTH REPRESENT A SNAPSHOT OF AN ARTISTS DEVELOPMENT AT A SPECIFIC PLACE IN TIME BONGO WILL NOT WASTE HIS TIME PUTTING ON TIN MACHINE ALBUM AND ACCORDING TO BONGOS RESEARCH, MOST OTHER PEOPLE DO LIKEWISE
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loucastel
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by loucastel on Dec 24, 2007 14:56:33 GMT 1, So the reason why his style is changing has obviously got nothing to do with him evolving as an artist and maturing as a person, as the years go by people change, mellow etc, it's the natural course of things, his images now are still very hard hitting and they are of the here and now, very relevant to the state of the world, some people just like to live in the past and compare things to what once was rather than accepting that time and people move on. BONGO HAS ONLY 2 ALBUMS IN RACK DAVID BOWIE LOW AND DAVID BOWIE TIN MACHINE BONGO KNOWS THAT BOTH REPRESENT A SNAPSHOT OF AN ARTISTS DEVELOPMENT AT A SPECIFIC PLACE IN TIME BONGO WILL NOT WASTE HIS TIME PUTTING ON TIN MACHINE ALBUM AND ACCORDING TO BONGOS RESEARCH, MOST OTHER PEOPLE DO LIKEWISE Yes I have heard you use this argument before, again a shame as there is a lot more to Bowie than just two albums.
So the reason why his style is changing has obviously got nothing to do with him evolving as an artist and maturing as a person, as the years go by people change, mellow etc, it's the natural course of things, his images now are still very hard hitting and they are of the here and now, very relevant to the state of the world, some people just like to live in the past and compare things to what once was rather than accepting that time and people move on. BONGO HAS ONLY 2 ALBUMS IN RACK DAVID BOWIE LOW AND DAVID BOWIE TIN MACHINE BONGO KNOWS THAT BOTH REPRESENT A SNAPSHOT OF AN ARTISTS DEVELOPMENT AT A SPECIFIC PLACE IN TIME BONGO WILL NOT WASTE HIS TIME PUTTING ON TIN MACHINE ALBUM AND ACCORDING TO BONGOS RESEARCH, MOST OTHER PEOPLE DO LIKEWISE Yes I have heard you use this argument before, again a shame as there is a lot more to Bowie than just two albums.
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BONGO
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by BONGO on Dec 24, 2007 15:07:33 GMT 1, BONGO KNOW THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST OPINION BASED ON PERSPECTIVE AND KNOWLEDGE
BONGO DID NOT LIKE OLD MINI AS OLD MINI WAS A RIOTOUS ASSEMBLAGE OF ILL MACHINED PARTS . BONGO LIKES THE NEW MINI BETTER & CAN APPRECIATE THE ENGINEERS COMPETENCE AND DEVELOPMENT QUALITIES.
THIS DOESNT MEAN THAT BONGO WOULD LIKE TO OWN OR DRIVE NEW MINI
BONGO KNOW THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST OPINION BASED ON PERSPECTIVE AND KNOWLEDGE
BONGO DID NOT LIKE OLD MINI AS OLD MINI WAS A RIOTOUS ASSEMBLAGE OF ILL MACHINED PARTS . BONGO LIKES THE NEW MINI BETTER & CAN APPRECIATE THE ENGINEERS COMPETENCE AND DEVELOPMENT QUALITIES.
THIS DOESNT MEAN THAT BONGO WOULD LIKE TO OWN OR DRIVE NEW MINI
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gbh
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by gbh on Dec 24, 2007 16:23:52 GMT 1, I'd say clearly there are less and less older works surfacing. Certainly mine are going nowhere and I'm picking up desired older pieces when I can.
Heard an interesting point from another collector, along the lines of ...because the older prints were cheap and "cool" etc., they were seen by many of the people who bought them as "posters" rather than prints and were easily discarded, stuck up on the wall with blu-tack, binned, coloured by bong smoke, etc. An interesting possibility...maybe that edition of 250 is really only 150.....? who knows?
I'd say clearly there are less and less older works surfacing. Certainly mine are going nowhere and I'm picking up desired older pieces when I can.
Heard an interesting point from another collector, along the lines of ...because the older prints were cheap and "cool" etc., they were seen by many of the people who bought them as "posters" rather than prints and were easily discarded, stuck up on the wall with blu-tack, binned, coloured by bong smoke, etc. An interesting possibility...maybe that edition of 250 is really only 150.....? who knows?
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Older Banksys Drying Up?, by darjeeling on Dec 24, 2007 17:11:51 GMT 1, It's no surprise to me that there's a ton of Trollies on ebay as it was a recent release a huge release and the retail price was about 1/4 of it's true value. It's not everyday you can buy something for ยฃ500 and sell it tomorrow for ยฃ2000 and I think its hard to turn down that opportunity for many people even if they truly love Banksy.
But for the older prints it's also not exactly normal that prints or works of art be in constant rotation. Most people put them on the wall and forget about it. Clearly we on this forum are the more obsessive I would guess. And although it may seem like they're in short supply in my perception they've been rotated more than normal this year, which doesn't surprise me due to the price explosion.
It's no surprise to me that there's a ton of Trollies on ebay as it was a recent release a huge release and the retail price was about 1/4 of it's true value. It's not everyday you can buy something for ยฃ500 and sell it tomorrow for ยฃ2000 and I think its hard to turn down that opportunity for many people even if they truly love Banksy.
But for the older prints it's also not exactly normal that prints or works of art be in constant rotation. Most people put them on the wall and forget about it. Clearly we on this forum are the more obsessive I would guess. And although it may seem like they're in short supply in my perception they've been rotated more than normal this year, which doesn't surprise me due to the price explosion.
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