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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by snakes on Dec 18, 2007 18:02:10 GMT 1, why dont they just commit to buy all the Banksy 'stop and search' prints.
This will give them the names of the sellers and their email address and then they can just cancel the orders.
The seller cannot really complain that the buyer hasnt paid because they as a seller no longer have a product to sell!
why dont they just commit to buy all the Banksy 'stop and search' prints.
This will give them the names of the sellers and their email address and then they can just cancel the orders.
The seller cannot really complain that the buyer hasnt paid because they as a seller no longer have a product to sell!
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 18:06:41 GMT 1, the only issue i would see is that there would be a lot of unhappy buyers who may get scammed out of their money. I've heard horror stories of people buying stuff and having the seller close their ebay and bank accounts. Some countries are good about tracking bad sellers, but others couldn't be bothered. Regardless, it's a pain. I think it's trading one evil for another unfortunately.
the only issue i would see is that there would be a lot of unhappy buyers who may get scammed out of their money. I've heard horror stories of people buying stuff and having the seller close their ebay and bank accounts. Some countries are good about tracking bad sellers, but others couldn't be bothered. Regardless, it's a pain. I think it's trading one evil for another unfortunately.
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by snakes on Dec 18, 2007 18:08:08 GMT 1, ..it would only affect the sellers flipping the prints the way that i see it.
..it would only affect the sellers flipping the prints the way that i see it.
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by alsbabar on Dec 18, 2007 18:08:33 GMT 1, snakes why dont you just get over the fact that you didnt get one - and be done, I am sure there have been times when you have gotten prints that others didnt get and tried in vain also to get or wanted.
The system is fair and it works
snakes why dont you just get over the fact that you didnt get one - and be done, I am sure there have been times when you have gotten prints that others didnt get and tried in vain also to get or wanted.
The system is fair and it works
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by melmoth on Dec 18, 2007 18:09:33 GMT 1, Actually, once the seller has sent the paypal invoice via ebay, the information is on that - they wouldn't even have to 'buy' the prints.
Also, as I noted in a different thread, there are some sellers are are sloppy in their listings and giving enough information for POW to work it out anyway.
Actually, once the seller has sent the paypal invoice via ebay, the information is on that - they wouldn't even have to 'buy' the prints.
Also, as I noted in a different thread, there are some sellers are are sloppy in their listings and giving enough information for POW to work it out anyway.
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by f5ers on Dec 18, 2007 18:12:35 GMT 1, alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping
alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 18:12:40 GMT 1, ah, actually you're right, if POW is the only one buying them, then yes they would be the only ones who would have to "pay". not a bad idea...i wonder if this would violate any eBay policies though and put POW at risk somehow? I don't know enough about ebay to answer that...
ah, actually you're right, if POW is the only one buying them, then yes they would be the only ones who would have to "pay". not a bad idea...i wonder if this would violate any eBay policies though and put POW at risk somehow? I don't know enough about ebay to answer that...
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by melmoth on Dec 18, 2007 18:16:11 GMT 1, ah, actually you're right, if POW is the only one buying them, then yes they would be the only ones who would have to "pay". not a bad idea...i wonder if this would violate any eBay policies though and put POW at risk somehow? I don't know enough about ebay to answer that...
Not sure. I know that other companies have pulled listings for copyright infringement of images (or similar), but in this instance, they want the information on the seller. I would think that POW would work with ebay up front to iron out issues like that.
ah, actually you're right, if POW is the only one buying them, then yes they would be the only ones who would have to "pay". not a bad idea...i wonder if this would violate any eBay policies though and put POW at risk somehow? I don't know enough about ebay to answer that... Not sure. I know that other companies have pulled listings for copyright infringement of images (or similar), but in this instance, they want the information on the seller. I would think that POW would work with ebay up front to iron out issues like that. |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by snakes on Dec 18, 2007 18:16:24 GMT 1, ah, actually you're right, if POW is the only one buying them, then yes they would be the only ones who would have to "pay". not a bad idea...i wonder if this would violate any eBay policies though and put POW at risk somehow? I don't know enough about ebay to answer that...
You dont even have to pay as you get many of the sellers details once you just commit to buy (before having sent payment).
ah, actually you're right, if POW is the only one buying them, then yes they would be the only ones who would have to "pay". not a bad idea...i wonder if this would violate any eBay policies though and put POW at risk somehow? I don't know enough about ebay to answer that... You dont even have to pay as you get many of the sellers details once you just commit to buy (before having sent payment). |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by stylus on Dec 18, 2007 18:16:59 GMT 1, why dont they just commit to buy all the Banksy 'stop and search' prints. This will give them the names of the sellers and their email address and then they can just cancel the orders. The seller cannot really complain that the buyer hasnt paid because they as a seller no longer have a product to sell!
I quite that! It would be a fun game.
why dont they just commit to buy all the Banksy 'stop and search' prints. This will give them the names of the sellers and their email address and then they can just cancel the orders. The seller cannot really complain that the buyer hasnt paid because they as a seller no longer have a product to sell! I quite that! It would be a fun game. |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by alsbabar on Dec 18, 2007 18:17:57 GMT 1, alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping
are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!!
alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!! |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by anthoz on Dec 18, 2007 18:19:14 GMT 1, alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!!
c'mon guys...read bongos thread
we are all here coz we share a common interest in art
why is there so many bad vibes knocking around
alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!! c'mon guys...read bongos thread we are all here coz we share a common interest in art why is there so many bad vibes knocking around |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 18:20:42 GMT 1, well if it's product that hasn't actually shippped and the seller has sold it, then i would think that would be a problem for the seller. does that violate an ebay policy? anyway, i personally think it's a high effort/minimal reward battle as flippers will just find other venues. instead, pow should just accept that this happens and implement other policies that they can control on their side.
well if it's product that hasn't actually shippped and the seller has sold it, then i would think that would be a problem for the seller. does that violate an ebay policy? anyway, i personally think it's a high effort/minimal reward battle as flippers will just find other venues. instead, pow should just accept that this happens and implement other policies that they can control on their side.
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by Richard on Dec 18, 2007 18:20:53 GMT 1, alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!!
Only because you couldn't get the price you wanted on eBay.
Have you manged to sell your D*Face's yet? 
alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!! Only because you couldn't get the price you wanted on eBay. Have you manged to sell your D*Face's yet? |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by savilerogue on Dec 18, 2007 18:21:14 GMT 1, alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!!
I think he's referring to these:
search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabar
Personally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper.
alsbabar... haven't you flipped your banksy?? Sure i've seen your name on a previous thread for ghetto flipping are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!! I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper. |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 18:23:32 GMT 1, my last comment: i personally don't have time or energy to fight flippers. if someone wants to good on them and I'll support them. but, there are far more important issues to deal with...
my last comment: i personally don't have time or energy to fight flippers. if someone wants to good on them and I'll support them. but, there are far more important issues to deal with...
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by dotdot on Dec 18, 2007 18:32:11 GMT 1, snakes why dont you just get over the fact that you didnt get one - and be done, I am sure there have been times when you have gotten prints that others didnt get and tried in vain also to get or wanted. The system is fair and it works
Excuse me - the term it is fair is quite an overstatement
given that the system as it stands simply does not as far
as i see it actually sell prints to people who want them.
It would appear to sell prints to people who immediately sell them on at VAST profit - and HUGE SMILEYS.
- note the usage there of immediately - as opposed to
some time later once people perhaps have had time to
think about what they have what and what they want and go
after that - then think about selling (via forum or ebay..) what they've bought...earlier.
We've all been there.
Ok so what do POW do - do they do a Harvey Goldsmith or Eavis and demand draconian powers such as provide your passport when you pick a print up - i don't know.
But what i do know - and you do ALL now - if that the system as it stands is being ABUSED and as such is therefore broken so some extent.
Now - whether people take time to fix it - is up to pow.
I for one missed out yest - don't care that much - in the big scheme of things - it's only a print.
Chill out people - it's CrispMas next week.
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snakes why dont you just get over the fact that you didnt get one - and be done, I am sure there have been times when you have gotten prints that others didnt get and tried in vain also to get or wanted. The system is fair and it works Excuse me - the term it is fair is quite an overstatement given that the system as it stands simply does not as far as i see it actually sell prints to people who want them. It would appear to sell prints to people who immediately sell them on at VAST profit - and HUGE SMILEYS. - note the usage there of immediately - as opposed to some time later once people perhaps have had time to think about what they have what and what they want and go after that - then think about selling (via forum or ebay..) what they've bought... earlier. We've all been there. Ok so what do POW do - do they do a Harvey Goldsmith or Eavis and demand draconian powers such as provide your passport when you pick a print up - i don't know. But what i do know - and you do ALL now - if that the system as it stands is being ABUSED and as such is therefore broken so some extent. Now - whether people take time to fix it - is up to pow. I for one missed out yest - don't care that much - in the big scheme of things - it's only a print. Chill out people - it's CrispMas next week. .. |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by flippa on Dec 18, 2007 18:58:44 GMT 1, "given that the system as it stands simply does not as far
as i see it actually sell prints to people who want them.
It would appear to sell prints to people who immediately"
Well if people are buying on ebay then obviously somebody wants them. The notion that "real fans" can't get them is absurd. If there was no secondary market then most of the world won't have access to Banksy, just you whiners who think Banksy belongs to you only...
"given that the system as it stands simply does not as far
as i see it actually sell prints to people who want them.
It would appear to sell prints to people who immediately"
Well if people are buying on ebay then obviously somebody wants them. The notion that "real fans" can't get them is absurd. If there was no secondary market then most of the world won't have access to Banksy, just you whiners who think Banksy belongs to you only...
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by dime683 on Dec 18, 2007 18:59:22 GMT 1, blah blah blah. how many threads are going to be started about this. many good points have been made. most have been crap. it will always happen. they are only worth the price people are willing to pay. banksy should just stop doing art, pow can stop selling prints and we can all find a new hobby!
blah blah blah. how many threads are going to be started about this. many good points have been made. most have been crap. it will always happen. they are only worth the price people are willing to pay. banksy should just stop doing art, pow can stop selling prints and we can all find a new hobby!
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by alsbabar on Dec 18, 2007 19:00:55 GMT 1, are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!! I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper.
do you know the prices of each of these prints?
Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal
Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal
Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit
Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!!
are you referring to the Banksy Flags Unsigned which i bought from a forum member on here for the same price I am selling it? You stupid p*ick!! I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper. do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!! |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by savilerogue on Dec 18, 2007 19:05:57 GMT 1, I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper. do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!!
Not the same prices as you first listed them at though are they?
Like I said, I don't care about 'flipping' myself, but if you are one, at least have the gumption to admit it!
I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper. do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!! Not the same prices as you first listed them at though are they? Like I said, I don't care about 'flipping' myself, but if you are one, at least have the gumption to admit it! |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by flippa on Dec 18, 2007 19:07:07 GMT 1, Everybody knows how hard it is to get a Banksy. If you get one you should be rewarded whether you want it on the wall or in your bank account. Thats just the way of the world get over it.
Everybody knows how hard it is to get a Banksy. If you get one you should be rewarded whether you want it on the wall or in your bank account. Thats just the way of the world get over it.
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by alsbabar on Dec 18, 2007 19:07:57 GMT 1, do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!! Not the same prices as you first listed them at though are they? Like I said, I don't care about 'flipping' myself, but if you are one, at least have the gumption to admit it!
then why bang on about it?
do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!! Not the same prices as you first listed them at though are they? Like I said, I don't care about 'flipping' myself, but if you are one, at least have the gumption to admit it! then why bang on about it? |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by Ron Goldsurfer on Dec 18, 2007 19:08:53 GMT 1, soo why are you doin it then?! don´t have anything better to do with your time or money... is it only for the fun? I can hardly believe you are doin out of some kind of charity...
soo why are you doin it then?! don´t have anything better to do with your time or money... is it only for the fun? I can hardly believe you are doin out of some kind of charity...
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by motor on Dec 18, 2007 19:09:29 GMT 1, blah blah blah. how many threads are going to be started about this. many good points have been made. most have been crap. it will always happen. they are only worth the price people are willing to pay. banksy should just stop doing art, pow can stop selling prints and we can all find a new hobby!
Amen 
blah blah blah. how many threads are going to be started about this. many good points have been made. most have been crap. it will always happen. they are only worth the price people are willing to pay. banksy should just stop doing art, pow can stop selling prints and we can all find a new hobby! Amen |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by burnz on Dec 18, 2007 19:10:39 GMT 1, yea true why buy art you dont want then try and sell it to make £10 crazy
yea true why buy art you dont want then try and sell it to make £10 crazy
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by moff on Dec 18, 2007 19:11:52 GMT 1, if i could i would buy every print i liked but often i miss out. if i did buy every print i would have no money and prob no house so missing out sometimes helps!!!
if i could i would buy every print i liked but often i miss out. if i did buy every print i would have no money and prob no house so missing out sometimes helps!!!
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by alsbabar on Dec 18, 2007 19:12:11 GMT 1, soo way are you doin it then?! don´t have anything better to do with your time or money... is it only for the fun?
The intention wasnt to buy to sell, the intention was to buy to keep, however the money spent on going out the SG in Bethlehem and further purchases, means 1. i dont have the wall space and 2. I do not have mummy's credit card to finance purchase, oh and 3. I dont have to justify myself to anyone on here. If logic cannot prevail then let anarchy reign!!
soo way are you doin it then?! don´t have anything better to do with your time or money... is it only for the fun? The intention wasnt to buy to sell, the intention was to buy to keep, however the money spent on going out the SG in Bethlehem and further purchases, means 1. i dont have the wall space and 2. I do not have mummy's credit card to finance purchase, oh and 3. I dont have to justify myself to anyone on here. If logic cannot prevail then let anarchy reign!! |
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by alsbabar on Dec 18, 2007 19:16:27 GMT 1, You know what, f**k you lot, I dont have to justify any aspect of my being to any one of you people. My integrity and moral character is more intact then most in here, so now what? Going to neg me some more - like i give a s**t!!!
How many of you fuckers actually made a stand for something, like go out to Bethlehem? Or donate to charity? Or actually make a difference to the world?
You know what, f**k you lot, I dont have to justify any aspect of my being to any one of you people. My integrity and moral character is more intact then most in here, so now what? Going to neg me some more - like i give a s**t!!!
How many of you fuckers actually made a stand for something, like go out to Bethlehem? Or donate to charity? Or actually make a difference to the world?
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If POW want to stop the flippers..., by bored with screen names on Dec 18, 2007 19:17:25 GMT 1, I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper. do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!!
I don't really have a strong opinion for or against certain "flips", as I've had to on occasion sell something either because it showed up and I wasn't impressed with it in person, decided I shouldn't have bought it in the first place and needed the money, etc etc.
That being said, the issue the people attacking you isn't how much profit you're making, if any. It's the fact that you just bought these prints and you're quick to sell them. Surely if they were going for 3 times as much you'd still be selling them and wouldn't have the "I'm not making much" excuse to fall back on, right? I guess the question is just "Why did you buy these prints to begin with?"
EDIT: you just covered a lot of this a few posts ago, sorry I'm a slow typer.
I think he's referring to these: search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZalsbabarPersonally I don't care about 'flipping', it's a fact of life. But if it looks like a flipper, smells like a flipper and sells prints on eBay for a massive profit soon after release, it probably is a flipper. do you know the prices of each of these prints? Green Lady - £375 + vat plus shipping, then you have ebay fees, and paypal fees so total cost to me - what £485? £15 profit big deal Dollar - £200 + vat plus shipping again ebay fees etc - £10 profit even bigger deal Blek Le Rat - £250 + vat, plus shipping etc - £0 profit Oh lets not discount the time and money it cost me to actually buy these prints !!! I don't really have a strong opinion for or against certain "flips", as I've had to on occasion sell something either because it showed up and I wasn't impressed with it in person, decided I shouldn't have bought it in the first place and needed the money, etc etc. That being said, the issue the people attacking you isn't how much profit you're making, if any. It's the fact that you just bought these prints and you're quick to sell them. Surely if they were going for 3 times as much you'd still be selling them and wouldn't have the "I'm not making much" excuse to fall back on, right? I guess the question is just "Why did you buy these prints to begin with?" EDIT: you just covered a lot of this a few posts ago, sorry I'm a slow typer. |
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