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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by krazy on Dec 8, 2007 1:50:14 GMT 1, Guys... this is strange, and kind of disappointing.
My friend from Jerusalem went to Santa's Ghetto last Tuesday and wanted to purchase (for himself) a Banksy Trolleys print. When he asked for the voucher, they told him he needed to pay $1000 deposit. He didn't bring cash or cards with him, and when he told them what he read on the website, they basically said 'too bad'.
He went back again a few days later, hoping that the 'confusion' would be sorted out. Although the Trolleys were sold out, he tried to purchase a 'Flags' print. They were doing EVERYTHING they could to discourage him and make it difficult. The main point being that they didn't believe a local could afford it, and they thought he was buying on behalf of someone else.
It took him about 30 minutes to convince them to give him a voucher. Now he's going to be a happy Banksy owner (with no intention to sell).
Why would PoW be so discriminating against local buyers?? I'm stunned that they would do this.
Guys... this is strange, and kind of disappointing.
My friend from Jerusalem went to Santa's Ghetto last Tuesday and wanted to purchase (for himself) a Banksy Trolleys print. When he asked for the voucher, they told him he needed to pay $1000 deposit. He didn't bring cash or cards with him, and when he told them what he read on the website, they basically said 'too bad'.
He went back again a few days later, hoping that the 'confusion' would be sorted out. Although the Trolleys were sold out, he tried to purchase a 'Flags' print. They were doing EVERYTHING they could to discourage him and make it difficult. The main point being that they didn't believe a local could afford it, and they thought he was buying on behalf of someone else.
It took him about 30 minutes to convince them to give him a voucher. Now he's going to be a happy Banksy owner (with no intention to sell).
Why would PoW be so discriminating against local buyers?? I'm stunned that they would do this.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 1:52:42 GMT 1, the flags were still available a few days later? Im sorry..I know that's definitely not the point of this thread...but I thought for sure they would have been snapped up faster than that....
the flags were still available a few days later? Im sorry..I know that's definitely not the point of this thread...but I thought for sure they would have been snapped up faster than that....
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 1:56:00 GMT 1, but could you imagine working at SG, trying your best to discern who is an "authentic" buyer, and who is a paid art runner? Im sure they wouldn't purposely discriminate against locals, but they do want to make sure that the prints end up in the hands of fans...so it's a tricky line to walk......
but could you imagine working at SG, trying your best to discern who is an "authentic" buyer, and who is a paid art runner? Im sure they wouldn't purposely discriminate against locals, but they do want to make sure that the prints end up in the hands of fans...so it's a tricky line to walk......
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by dime683 on Dec 8, 2007 2:11:03 GMT 1, thats a tough one, at least he got a flags.
thats a tough one, at least he got a flags.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by submit on Dec 8, 2007 2:20:23 GMT 1, What happened to artists be grateful and humble about selling their art? thats a shame.
What happened to artists be grateful and humble about selling their art? thats a shame.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 2:25:54 GMT 1, so far no Vouchers have turned up on ebay....so though their system may be flawed, looks like it might be working, at least thus far......
so far no Vouchers have turned up on ebay....so though their system may be flawed, looks like it might be working, at least thus far......
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ray
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 2:30:56 GMT 1, The beginning of the end. The money's going to charity so they should be happy to sell them to whoever. I can understand the one per person thing but not wanting to sell to a local? Why bother going there then?
What's next, paid placement from McDonald's on street art?
The beginning of the end. The money's going to charity so they should be happy to sell them to whoever. I can understand the one per person thing but not wanting to sell to a local? Why bother going there then?
What's next, paid placement from McDonald's on street art?
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by corblimeylimey on Dec 8, 2007 2:50:02 GMT 1, I think they're trying to preserve stock for those who've made the most effort to get there, people who need the experience.
I think they're trying to preserve stock for those who've made the most effort to get there, people who need the experience.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 2:50:07 GMT 1, I don't mean to defend POW on this one, because I wasn't there and don't know how it was handled...but I would be quite comfortable in assuming it's not as black & white as it's being made out....I'm sure they don't have someone turning away possible customers based on whether or not they look like "locals"......they have most likely been inundated with many people who are trying to get more than one voucher for themselves, sending in "locals" to grab one for them.....so, maybe they are a little gunshy about giving out vouchers period. It would be very easy for one slick art flipper to go there, buy off a bunch of kids to ask for vouchers, and to collect all the prints back home...not saying they should be refusing to sell to people they think are locals, but you have to kinda understand that they're trying to protect the fans from the flippers.......IMHO
I don't mean to defend POW on this one, because I wasn't there and don't know how it was handled...but I would be quite comfortable in assuming it's not as black & white as it's being made out....I'm sure they don't have someone turning away possible customers based on whether or not they look like "locals"......they have most likely been inundated with many people who are trying to get more than one voucher for themselves, sending in "locals" to grab one for them.....so, maybe they are a little gunshy about giving out vouchers period. It would be very easy for one slick art flipper to go there, buy off a bunch of kids to ask for vouchers, and to collect all the prints back home...not saying they should be refusing to sell to people they think are locals, but you have to kinda understand that they're trying to protect the fans from the flippers.......IMHO
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 2:57:26 GMT 1, Holding back for people that travel the furthest? I'm sorry but that's BS. So basically if a person "looks" like they didn't travel far enough they can't "donate" money to this charity?
Personally I think if anything they should make every attempt to sell to a local. What's better than someone donating to a cause that's helping his or her own people?
Holding back for people that travel the furthest? I'm sorry but that's BS. So basically if a person "looks" like they didn't travel far enough they can't "donate" money to this charity?
Personally I think if anything they should make every attempt to sell to a local. What's better than someone donating to a cause that's helping his or her own people?
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 3:00:34 GMT 1, I think they're trying to preserve stock for those who've made the most effort to get there, people who need the experience.
Right....and the experience should be just that, and experience. If you come home without a paper voucher would that diminish the experience? Should it?
I think they're trying to preserve stock for those who've made the most effort to get there, people who need the experience. Right....and the experience should be just that, and experience. If you come home without a paper voucher would that diminish the experience? Should it?
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by corblimeylimey on Dec 8, 2007 3:02:39 GMT 1, Holding back for people that travel the furthest? I'm sorry but that's BS. So basically if a person "looks" like they didn't travel far enough they can't "donate" money to this charity? Personally I think if anything they should make every attempt to sell to a local. What's better than someone donating to a cause that's helping his or her own people?
I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there.
Holding back for people that travel the furthest? I'm sorry but that's BS. So basically if a person "looks" like they didn't travel far enough they can't "donate" money to this charity? Personally I think if anything they should make every attempt to sell to a local. What's better than someone donating to a cause that's helping his or her own people? I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by krazy on Dec 8, 2007 3:08:16 GMT 1, Yeah, I was surprised when my friend told me. I agree that it's not a Black and White issue, and that they need to be wary of 'flippers'.....
On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community.
And yes.. there are still some Flags left apparently (not sure how many.. I'll find out). It seems that there's not a HUGE amount of people with $$$ going to the event, so it'll take awhile to sell over 100 prints. IMHO, the flags is a better purchase anyway (despite the higher quantity, it's the only FLAGS print with a signature.. and one of the lowest quantity of signed editions for a couple of years). Both will be worth a fortune in 12 months too.
They also initially said that the flags was $3500 (same as the trolleys). SO confusing.
Yeah, I was surprised when my friend told me. I agree that it's not a Black and White issue, and that they need to be wary of 'flippers'.....
On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community.
And yes.. there are still some Flags left apparently (not sure how many.. I'll find out). It seems that there's not a HUGE amount of people with $$$ going to the event, so it'll take awhile to sell over 100 prints. IMHO, the flags is a better purchase anyway (despite the higher quantity, it's the only FLAGS print with a signature.. and one of the lowest quantity of signed editions for a couple of years). Both will be worth a fortune in 12 months too.
They also initially said that the flags was $3500 (same as the trolleys). SO confusing.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 3:09:52 GMT 1, Nice try but been there. And although I didn't get a voucher I still had a good time complete with "experiences". I was in Nepal last year while the King was in the middle of being overthrown. Came home full of experiences, really opened my eyes. But I guess it didn't count because I didn't get a voucher.
Nice try but been there. And although I didn't get a voucher I still had a good time complete with "experiences". I was in Nepal last year while the King was in the middle of being overthrown. Came home full of experiences, really opened my eyes. But I guess it didn't count because I didn't get a voucher.
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krazy
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by krazy on Dec 8, 2007 3:09:53 GMT 1, I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there.
I really wish I could... but I'm stuck in Melbourne, Australia.. and just can't find a flight that I can afford.
I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there. I really wish I could... but I'm stuck in Melbourne, Australia.. and just can't find a flight that I can afford.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 3:12:41 GMT 1, Yeah, I was surprised when my friend told me. I agree that it's not a Black and White issue, and that they need to be wary of 'flippers'..... On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community. And yes.. there are still some Flags left apparently (not sure how many.. I'll find out). It seems that there's not a HUGE amount of people with $$$ going to the event, so it'll take awhile to sell over 100 prints. IMHO, the flags is a better purchase anyway (despite the higher quantity, it's the only FLAGS print with a signature.. and one of the lowest quantity of signed editions for a couple of years). Both will be worth a fortune in 12 months too. They also initially said that the flags was $3500 (same as the trolleys). SO confusing.
I totally agree that if local people were going to buy the prints and flip them for a profit, great, let them, it's a win/win for everyone...but that's probably not what is going to happen..what's going to happen is that the locals are getting used as pawns in this big business art game, and they are not going to be making the real money off of this......when SG landed in Bethlehem, you had to know that Bethlehem isn't exactly POW's or Banksy's target audience, and that there probably aren't a ton of people, local people, who are in the market for over-priced Banksy art prints....so unfortunately those who really want them are getting painted with the same broad brush as those who are buying for others.....
Yeah, I was surprised when my friend told me. I agree that it's not a Black and White issue, and that they need to be wary of 'flippers'..... On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community. And yes.. there are still some Flags left apparently (not sure how many.. I'll find out). It seems that there's not a HUGE amount of people with $$$ going to the event, so it'll take awhile to sell over 100 prints. IMHO, the flags is a better purchase anyway (despite the higher quantity, it's the only FLAGS print with a signature.. and one of the lowest quantity of signed editions for a couple of years). Both will be worth a fortune in 12 months too. They also initially said that the flags was $3500 (same as the trolleys). SO confusing. I totally agree that if local people were going to buy the prints and flip them for a profit, great, let them, it's a win/win for everyone...but that's probably not what is going to happen..what's going to happen is that the locals are getting used as pawns in this big business art game, and they are not going to be making the real money off of this......when SG landed in Bethlehem, you had to know that Bethlehem isn't exactly POW's or Banksy's target audience, and that there probably aren't a ton of people, local people, who are in the market for over-priced Banksy art prints....so unfortunately those who really want them are getting painted with the same broad brush as those who are buying for others.....
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by Philippe on Dec 8, 2007 3:18:00 GMT 1, Yah I guess if I lived 4-5 hours away by flight I would be able to go but all the way on the west coast, it will take too much time away from my responsibilities. Such as getting high, neglecting worldly issues, and sitting on my arse. But its nice to know they got a flags waiting for me
Yah I guess if I lived 4-5 hours away by flight I would be able to go but all the way on the west coast, it will take too much time away from my responsibilities. Such as getting high, neglecting worldly issues, and sitting on my arse. But its nice to know they got a flags waiting for me
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 3:32:17 GMT 1, So as long as you "look right" than there's no questions asked? I know I've heard that before somewhere.....
I don't think it's about "looking right", and I don't think that anyone on here would endorse that kind of ugly thinking......so don't paraphrase on behalf of others....
So as long as you "look right" than there's no questions asked? I know I've heard that before somewhere..... I don't think it's about "looking right", and I don't think that anyone on here would endorse that kind of ugly thinking......so don't paraphrase on behalf of others....
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 3:35:22 GMT 1, :)Done,
Does krazy know how it was determined that his friend was a local? Are there ID checks?
:)Done,
Does krazy know how it was determined that his friend was a local? Are there ID checks?
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 3:39:22 GMT 1, from what I've heard it's not so much as ID checks, but more that they are questioning people, seeing if the buyers know anything about the art, if they know really what they're buying....but it's a slippery slope, one that I wouldn't want to tread
from what I've heard it's not so much as ID checks, but more that they are questioning people, seeing if the buyers know anything about the art, if they know really what they're buying....but it's a slippery slope, one that I wouldn't want to tread
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 3:49:39 GMT 1, I'm assuming krazys friend knows a bit about Bansky if he was ready to pluck down some $$$.
I'm assuming krazys friend knows a bit about Bansky if he was ready to pluck down some $$$.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 3:59:49 GMT 1, I'm assuming krazys friend knows a bit about Bansky if he was ready to pluck down some $$$.
yeah, that's what sucks about it all....Im just glad he ended up getting a print....at least makes the whole idea of it a little easier to swallow...
I'm assuming krazys friend knows a bit about Bansky if he was ready to pluck down some $$$. yeah, that's what sucks about it all....Im just glad he ended up getting a print....at least makes the whole idea of it a little easier to swallow...
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by morrissey1 on Dec 8, 2007 4:10:10 GMT 1, I'm assuming krazys friend knows a bit about Bansky if he was ready to pluck down some $$$.
and +1 from me for an interesting debate.....
I'm assuming krazys friend knows a bit about Bansky if he was ready to pluck down some $$$. and +1 from me for an interesting debate.....
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by krazy on Dec 8, 2007 4:12:58 GMT 1, :)Done, Does krazy know how it was determined that his friend was a local? Are there ID checks?
I have no idea.. I'll try to find out.
:)Done, Does krazy know how it was determined that his friend was a local? Are there ID checks? I have no idea.. I'll try to find out.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by stereoface on Dec 8, 2007 5:06:48 GMT 1, I was not there so clearly I cant offer much insight. But, then again, when has lack of knowledge ever prevented me from commenting on something before...
So, as I think most would agree, it doesnt appear to be as black and white as "does the person look local?" I think that POW has to do some sort of screening. The reason I believe this is necessary is to ensure fairness. I know that if I probably would get a voucher even though I knew I couldn't actually afford the print if they didnt do some sort of screening. This is because I would hope I could somehow get the money knowing that I could sell the voucher to someone (either online or in person) if I couldn't end up raising the money. Now, I understand that in a way this could be viewed as win/win because effectively twice the amount of money would end up in the community. But on the other hand, the prints are designed to be for sale at SG for those people who made the trip. So, it really isnt fair to preclude people who go to the Ghetto (either local, from the area, or from another continent) from having the chance to purchase the art (Banksy or otherwise) by allocating items to people who have no shot at purchasing the art.
Also, I think that there has to be some responsibility on the part of the consumer. The website says that you will get a voucher for the print but payment and shipping will be arranged later. This doenst say that there are no obligations on the part of the consumer. I think it is reasonable to assume that you should be able to offer something showing that you will in good faith be able to pay just as anyone who went to the show would expect something in writing (like the voucher) showing that POW in good faith will provide the print. I mean I know I wouldnt leave the show feeling comfortable that I was getting a print just based on someone saying "yea, sure just let me know your email and you are set."
Just my opinion. But, I think that jumping to the thought that POW is "discriminating" against anyone is a pretty big leap considering the reason why SG is where it is this year.
I was not there so clearly I cant offer much insight. But, then again, when has lack of knowledge ever prevented me from commenting on something before...
So, as I think most would agree, it doesnt appear to be as black and white as "does the person look local?" I think that POW has to do some sort of screening. The reason I believe this is necessary is to ensure fairness. I know that if I probably would get a voucher even though I knew I couldn't actually afford the print if they didnt do some sort of screening. This is because I would hope I could somehow get the money knowing that I could sell the voucher to someone (either online or in person) if I couldn't end up raising the money. Now, I understand that in a way this could be viewed as win/win because effectively twice the amount of money would end up in the community. But on the other hand, the prints are designed to be for sale at SG for those people who made the trip. So, it really isnt fair to preclude people who go to the Ghetto (either local, from the area, or from another continent) from having the chance to purchase the art (Banksy or otherwise) by allocating items to people who have no shot at purchasing the art.
Also, I think that there has to be some responsibility on the part of the consumer. The website says that you will get a voucher for the print but payment and shipping will be arranged later. This doenst say that there are no obligations on the part of the consumer. I think it is reasonable to assume that you should be able to offer something showing that you will in good faith be able to pay just as anyone who went to the show would expect something in writing (like the voucher) showing that POW in good faith will provide the print. I mean I know I wouldnt leave the show feeling comfortable that I was getting a print just based on someone saying "yea, sure just let me know your email and you are set."
Just my opinion. But, I think that jumping to the thought that POW is "discriminating" against anyone is a pretty big leap considering the reason why SG is where it is this year.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by foreman on Dec 8, 2007 5:29:22 GMT 1, On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community. I couldnt agree more ... why not let the locals flip them if they can afford it? Just more money going towards there community
there probably aren't a ton of people, local people, who are in the market for over-priced Banksy art prints....so unfortunately those who really want them are getting painted with the same broad brush as those who are buying for others..... i would argue the the banksy art prints are extremely underpriced... there almost donating them to the locals...
I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there. I agree they want EVERYONE to see the situation over there... but its also 3x's futher away 16 hour flights multi stop flights for 3x's more money 2500 usd round trip...
sorta difficult for us to just drop everything work/family/commitments and travel out there CBL... alot easier being in the UK imo...
On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community. I couldnt agree more ... why not let the locals flip them if they can afford it? Just more money going towards there community there probably aren't a ton of people, local people, who are in the market for over-priced Banksy art prints....so unfortunately those who really want them are getting painted with the same broad brush as those who are buying for others..... i would argue the the banksy art prints are extremely underpriced... there almost donating them to the locals... I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there. I agree they want EVERYONE to see the situation over there... but its also 3x's futher away 16 hour flights multi stop flights for 3x's more money 2500 usd round trip... sorta difficult for us to just drop everything work/family/commitments and travel out there CBL... alot easier being in the UK imo...
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by ray on Dec 8, 2007 5:31:05 GMT 1, Some great points. Maybe we can hear from some of the forum members that went and came back what kind of screening process/test they went thru to get a voucher, and if they had to show they had the money to buy it.
Some great points. Maybe we can hear from some of the forum members that went and came back what kind of screening process/test they went thru to get a voucher, and if they had to show they had the money to buy it.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by fartofthestate on Dec 8, 2007 6:45:53 GMT 1, This is a really fucking stupid thing to say, POW would never do this, not in a million years unless they had a really good reason to believe he was a sneaky bastard!
Like to hear both sides of the story rather than just chinese whispers.
This is a really fucking stupid thing to say, POW would never do this, not in a million years unless they had a really good reason to believe he was a sneaky bastard!
Like to hear both sides of the story rather than just chinese whispers.
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by bobbymeachamjr on Dec 8, 2007 7:11:01 GMT 1, I'm always complaining about POW but I highly doubt that they would turn somebody away without a valid reason. Looks like it was for "suspicious" activity regarding capitalising on the money aspect of a banksy print. Just my 2 cents using common sense and a gut feeling... 1. guy who follows scene hears of limited banksys at the ghetto 2. guy has friends in the area 3. guy contacts friends to get hooked up. Friends try to get "rich" off the voucher system.
I'm sure there were many people who have tried to pull this off. Whether they had the "resources" to do it might be another matter.
oh I'm not going to lie as when I first heard of the ghetto I'm like "is there somebody I know in the area ie. Israel that can "pick" up a print for me?"
I'm always complaining about POW but I highly doubt that they would turn somebody away without a valid reason. Looks like it was for "suspicious" activity regarding capitalising on the money aspect of a banksy print. Just my 2 cents using common sense and a gut feeling... 1. guy who follows scene hears of limited banksys at the ghetto 2. guy has friends in the area 3. guy contacts friends to get hooked up. Friends try to get "rich" off the voucher system.
I'm sure there were many people who have tried to pull this off. Whether they had the "resources" to do it might be another matter.
oh I'm not going to lie as when I first heard of the ghetto I'm like "is there somebody I know in the area ie. Israel that can "pick" up a print for me?"
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PoW Discriminating against locals??, by jam on Dec 8, 2007 7:40:24 GMT 1, On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community. I couldnt agree more ... why not let the locals flip them if they can afford it? Just more money going towards there community i would argue the the banksy art prints are extremely underpriced... there almost donating them to the locals... I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there. I agree they want EVERYONE to see the situation over there... but its also 3x's futher away 16 hour flights multi stop flights for 3x's more money 2500 usd round trip... sorta difficult for us to just drop everything work/family/commitments and travel out there CBL... alot easier being in the UK imo...
+1 Foreman, as I agree with everything you said.
I am in the US, and I own a business so its impossible for me to get away at this time of the year. On top of that, its about 3k for me to go over and back in expense and I would much rather pay a local guy a grand or two to get me a print, knowing the money is going into that area to be spent than lining the pockets of some tout.
I think we all agree the point of the Ghetto in Bethlehem is to draw attention to the area and issues, and that is being done by the publicity the event has stirred in the media, by the numerous forum threads that turn to debate and information gathering, and by the relatively few people that actually travel over to see it in person. But the notion we need to focus on the viewing it for ourselves first hand and therefore putting restrictions on local buyers in attempt to force people to see it in that one dimensional way is selling the bigger picture of the cause short. This isn't the 1950's where the only way you knew about a region is to visit it or be one of the semi-concerned people who's views could be tainted by the one or two news providers they had access to. With global media and the various sources of information available VIA the internet, we don't need to see the situation first hand to understand the scope of issues surrounding that area. All we need to do is have the open debates this has stirred and research it on our own to come to the realization there are issues that need to be addressed, and I think POW could have accomplished that without the qualification demands. Doing some light checking on your knowledge of Banksy and POW/Laz is fair enough, but flat out turning people down because they didn't travel from another country isn't right.
On the other hand... if the locally based people are intending to buy the prints and sell them online.. then LET THEM. All that's going to do is put MORE money into the local community. I couldnt agree more ... why not let the locals flip them if they can afford it? Just more money going towards there community i would argue the the banksy art prints are extremely underpriced... there almost donating them to the locals... I think they they want people like you (from Las Vegas) to get off your arse and go and see the situation over there. I agree they want EVERYONE to see the situation over there... but its also 3x's futher away 16 hour flights multi stop flights for 3x's more money 2500 usd round trip... sorta difficult for us to just drop everything work/family/commitments and travel out there CBL... alot easier being in the UK imo... +1 Foreman, as I agree with everything you said. I am in the US, and I own a business so its impossible for me to get away at this time of the year. On top of that, its about 3k for me to go over and back in expense and I would much rather pay a local guy a grand or two to get me a print, knowing the money is going into that area to be spent than lining the pockets of some tout. I think we all agree the point of the Ghetto in Bethlehem is to draw attention to the area and issues, and that is being done by the publicity the event has stirred in the media, by the numerous forum threads that turn to debate and information gathering, and by the relatively few people that actually travel over to see it in person. But the notion we need to focus on the viewing it for ourselves first hand and therefore putting restrictions on local buyers in attempt to force people to see it in that one dimensional way is selling the bigger picture of the cause short. This isn't the 1950's where the only way you knew about a region is to visit it or be one of the semi-concerned people who's views could be tainted by the one or two news providers they had access to. With global media and the various sources of information available VIA the internet, we don't need to see the situation first hand to understand the scope of issues surrounding that area. All we need to do is have the open debates this has stirred and research it on our own to come to the realization there are issues that need to be addressed, and I think POW could have accomplished that without the qualification demands. Doing some light checking on your knowledge of Banksy and POW/Laz is fair enough, but flat out turning people down because they didn't travel from another country isn't right.
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