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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 2:33:51 GMT 1, Recently I sent some pics of some of my art to a couple different galleries (mostly online galleries) who represent original art, and are not just secondary print sellers....when I received an email back from one that struck me as being a sad commentary on the current art market. They told me they liked my art ok, it's not great, but ok (which is fair, as it just ok and not great right now), but that they were only interested in new artists that created work in the style of, very similiar to, their "star" artist...basically saying they just wanted more of the same, and nothing new. Now, this is not sour grapes (that's why I decided not to mention their name, as they were just being honest I suppose), as I know my art definitely needs some work.....but to openly say that you only want to sign artists whose work looks like the work of another artist, seems a bit strange to me.....IMO
Just wondering what everyone on here thought about this comment made by them? I was taken aback by it, but maybe I was naive to think that they would want something different, something new.
Recently I sent some pics of some of my art to a couple different galleries (mostly online galleries) who represent original art, and are not just secondary print sellers....when I received an email back from one that struck me as being a sad commentary on the current art market. They told me they liked my art ok, it's not great, but ok (which is fair, as it just ok and not great right now), but that they were only interested in new artists that created work in the style of, very similiar to, their "star" artist...basically saying they just wanted more of the same, and nothing new. Now, this is not sour grapes (that's why I decided not to mention their name, as they were just being honest I suppose), as I know my art definitely needs some work.....but to openly say that you only want to sign artists whose work looks like the work of another artist, seems a bit strange to me.....IMO
Just wondering what everyone on here thought about this comment made by them? I was taken aback by it, but maybe I was naive to think that they would want something different, something new.
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More of the same, they told me, by shavemysoul on Nov 20, 2007 2:53:37 GMT 1, Does seem odd, when I thought many of us (?) looked to and enjoyed our art to push the boundaries where other things in life frequently fail to do so.
Perhaps they had their business heads on rather than their art heads? Guess its a fine line when you're as a gallery sitting somewhere in between.
I'm not sure this would be all galleries reactions though... try more and more galleries and see what they say.
Does seem odd, when I thought many of us (?) looked to and enjoyed our art to push the boundaries where other things in life frequently fail to do so.
Perhaps they had their business heads on rather than their art heads? Guess its a fine line when you're as a gallery sitting somewhere in between.
I'm not sure this would be all galleries reactions though... try more and more galleries and see what they say.
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morrissey1
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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 3:02:38 GMT 1, I will keep trying...thanks for your input.....I just think that the more you look for "the next Banksy" the more you're going to miss out on the "next Banksy", because the next Banksy wont look anything like Banksy....if that makes any sense.
I will keep trying...thanks for your input.....I just think that the more you look for "the next Banksy" the more you're going to miss out on the "next Banksy", because the next Banksy wont look anything like Banksy....if that makes any sense.
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More of the same, they told me, by shavemysoul on Nov 20, 2007 3:05:41 GMT 1, I will keep trying...thanks for your input.....I just think that the more you look for "the next Banksy" the more you're going to miss out on the "next Banksy", because the next Banksy wont look anything like Banksy....if that makes any sense.
Yup, completely... Banksy will stand-up as the most memorable artist of the last 20 years for me, purely because of his originality in terms of his use of space and time to convey his message, IMO.
The most special gifts of any arts-based (broadly-defined) scene are usually memorable for the very fact of their originality.
I will keep trying...thanks for your input.....I just think that the more you look for "the next Banksy" the more you're going to miss out on the "next Banksy", because the next Banksy wont look anything like Banksy....if that makes any sense. Yup, completely... Banksy will stand-up as the most memorable artist of the last 20 years for me, purely because of his originality in terms of his use of space and time to convey his message, IMO. The most special gifts of any arts-based (broadly-defined) scene are usually memorable for the very fact of their originality. |
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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 3:07:57 GMT 1, I will keep trying...thanks for your input.....I just think that the more you look for "the next Banksy" the more you're going to miss out on the "next Banksy", because the next Banksy wont look anything like Banksy....if that makes any sense. Yup, completely... Banksy will stand-up as the most memorable artist of the last 20 years for me, purely because of his originality in terms of his use of space and time to convey his message, IMO. The most special gifts of any arts-based (broadly-defined) scene are usually memorable for the very fact of their originality.
Exactly. Perfectly said.
I understand, to a degree, where they are coming from, because Im sure money is not flowing in as they hoped, and everyone wants a first-class seat on the money train, but like you said, the real success stories of this "scene", of modern art in whole, are the ones that don't resemble the pretenders...
I will keep trying...thanks for your input.....I just think that the more you look for "the next Banksy" the more you're going to miss out on the "next Banksy", because the next Banksy wont look anything like Banksy....if that makes any sense. Yup, completely... Banksy will stand-up as the most memorable artist of the last 20 years for me, purely because of his originality in terms of his use of space and time to convey his message, IMO. The most special gifts of any arts-based (broadly-defined) scene are usually memorable for the very fact of their originality. Exactly. Perfectly said. I understand, to a degree, where they are coming from, because Im sure money is not flowing in as they hoped, and everyone wants a first-class seat on the money train, but like you said, the real success stories of this "scene", of modern art in whole, are the ones that don't resemble the pretenders... |
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More of the same, they told me, by melmoth on Nov 20, 2007 3:09:03 GMT 1, The gallery's attitude isn't that uncommon in other art forms though is it? There are often periods in music, movies, TV programs where a particular theme is prevalent (and quickly milked to death). There is obviously a money based element to this, namely to ride the gravy train while they can, but on the positive side, it can be used to provide exposure to other people's work who don't conform exactly to that template.
The gallery's attitude isn't that uncommon in other art forms though is it? There are often periods in music, movies, TV programs where a particular theme is prevalent (and quickly milked to death). There is obviously a money based element to this, namely to ride the gravy train while they can, but on the positive side, it can be used to provide exposure to other people's work who don't conform exactly to that template.
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morrissey1
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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 3:17:46 GMT 1, The gallery's attitude isn't that uncommon in other art forms though is it? There are often periods in music, movies, TV programs where a particular theme is prevalent (and quickly milked to death).
Yeah...the year after Friends made it big (only god knows why it made it big, but regardless) another US network released a show called "Pals".....seriously...
The gallery's attitude isn't that uncommon in other art forms though is it? There are often periods in music, movies, TV programs where a particular theme is prevalent (and quickly milked to death). Yeah...the year after Friends made it big (only god knows why it made it big, but regardless) another US network released a show called "Pals".....seriously... |
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More of the same, they told me, by sputnikeye on Nov 20, 2007 8:58:22 GMT 1, I've sent to a few galleries and they usually write back; Not what we are looking for at the moment thanks. Does my head in.
I've sent to a few galleries and they usually write back; Not what we are looking for at the moment thanks. Does my head in.
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More of the same, they told me, by mike hunt on Nov 20, 2007 13:27:31 GMT 1, I think the problem with any art, music and design is formula. Someone does something very successful, and to ensure a degree of success, businesses and artists follow the formula. The music industry has been rife with the same old formula for ages - almost nothing sounded new for years. People are original, but don't get noticed because businesses see it as risky or the timing isnt right. Its all about timing. I know brilliant but unknown bands who, if they released their albums a few years earlier or later would have smashed it. The stars sometimes need to align for you to some extent. For what you produce to work outside the formula takes most people alot of time and work with little reward. You really need to believe, be strong and push! However, there is a difference to being strong and deluding yourself - try and critique your work in an open way.
I think the problem with any art, music and design is formula. Someone does something very successful, and to ensure a degree of success, businesses and artists follow the formula. The music industry has been rife with the same old formula for ages - almost nothing sounded new for years. People are original, but don't get noticed because businesses see it as risky or the timing isnt right. Its all about timing. I know brilliant but unknown bands who, if they released their albums a few years earlier or later would have smashed it. The stars sometimes need to align for you to some extent. For what you produce to work outside the formula takes most people alot of time and work with little reward. You really need to believe, be strong and push! However, there is a difference to being strong and deluding yourself - try and critique your work in an open way.
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More of the same, they told me, by beau on Nov 20, 2007 14:45:12 GMT 1, lets have a look then morrissey! please!
lets have a look then morrissey! please!
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morrissey1
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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 16:51:56 GMT 1, I wasnt bothered by what they said about my art...it was all fair enough (maybe a little too fair)...but the idea that they only wanted art that was in the same style as their star artist is troubling...Im not taking this personally, just bothered by the climate of things, is all
I wasnt bothered by what they said about my art...it was all fair enough (maybe a little too fair)...but the idea that they only wanted art that was in the same style as their star artist is troubling...Im not taking this personally, just bothered by the climate of things, is all
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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 16:52:50 GMT 1, and if you negged...please explain....this thread wasn't meant to step on toes, just a conversation......dont hide behind your inability to verbalize your thoughts/issues...you can talk, come on, I know you can...
and if you negged...please explain....this thread wasn't meant to step on toes, just a conversation......dont hide behind your inability to verbalize your thoughts/issues...you can talk, come on, I know you can...
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More of the same, they told me, by slowmo on Nov 20, 2007 17:04:21 GMT 1, Maybe you mis-construed what they were trying to say. Most galleries will sell a particular type or genre of art. For example landscapes, contemporary etc. Maybe what you were producing fell outside of their genre, so their buyers would not be interested.
I wouldn't expect to pick up a portrait of Tower Bridge from Laz for example?
Maybe you mis-construed what they were trying to say. Most galleries will sell a particular type or genre of art. For example landscapes, contemporary etc. Maybe what you were producing fell outside of their genre, so their buyers would not be interested.
I wouldn't expect to pick up a portrait of Tower Bridge from Laz for example?
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More of the same, they told me, by Copyright on Nov 20, 2007 17:04:28 GMT 1, the post would be stronger if you posted pics.
It all depends on the gallerys. some have a Niche, that may be still lifes, portraits, or in this case, banksy styled stencils. Its in their intrests to please their buyers and stick to that niche, its their marketplace and its what they know best, so its not really that weird.
Im sure theirs plenty of clasic style gallerys that wouldnt take banksys work or anything too contempory.
Just randomly picking a gallery and hope their take your work doesnt work. Regardless of skill. Do some reserch, find a place spicificly looking for somthing new and aproach them, chances are youl have somthing in common and they will dig your work.
Also set up an online gallery and promote yourself and show off your skills, if your good enough someone will spot your tallent and aproach you.
the post would be stronger if you posted pics.
It all depends on the gallerys. some have a Niche, that may be still lifes, portraits, or in this case, banksy styled stencils. Its in their intrests to please their buyers and stick to that niche, its their marketplace and its what they know best, so its not really that weird.
Im sure theirs plenty of clasic style gallerys that wouldnt take banksys work or anything too contempory.
Just randomly picking a gallery and hope their take your work doesnt work. Regardless of skill. Do some reserch, find a place spicificly looking for somthing new and aproach them, chances are youl have somthing in common and they will dig your work.
Also set up an online gallery and promote yourself and show off your skills, if your good enough someone will spot your tallent and aproach you.
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More of the same, they told me, by Copyright on Nov 20, 2007 17:06:04 GMT 1, ha slowmo, what i was sayin. Great minds
ha slowmo, what i was sayin. Great minds
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More of the same, they told me, by Daniel Silk on Nov 20, 2007 17:06:27 GMT 1, .......but the idea that they only wanted art that was in the same style as their star artist is troubling...Im not taking this personally, just bothered by the climate of things, is all
Yeah, I agree  it does seem like some places are run like that.
Also from another angle some Artists that have been producing work similar to Banksy, and probably from long before he even started, are getting written off as if they are just making Banksy knock offs  I find that a really strange one
.......but the idea that they only wanted art that was in the same style as their star artist is troubling...Im not taking this personally, just bothered by the climate of things, is all Yeah, I agree it does seem like some places are run like that. Also from another angle some Artists that have been producing work similar to Banksy, and probably from long before he even started, are getting written off as if they are just making Banksy knock offs I find that a really strange one |
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morrissey1
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More of the same, they told me, by morrissey1 on Nov 20, 2007 21:03:23 GMT 1, the post would be stronger if you posted pics. It all depends on the gallerys. some have a Niche, that may be still lifes, portraits, or in this case, banksy styled stencils. Its in their intrests to please their buyers and stick to that niche, its their marketplace and its what they know best, so its not really that weird. Im sure theirs plenty of clasic style gallerys that wouldnt take banksys work or anything too contempory. Just randomly picking a gallery and hope their take your work doesnt work. Regardless of skill. Do some reserch, find a place spicificly looking for somthing new and aproach them, chances are youl have somthing in common and they will dig your work. Also set up an online gallery and promote yourself and show off your skills, if your good enough someone will spot your tallent and aproach you.
truly, I dont care what they said about my art, fair enough, but I think that they are going to be in for a rude awakening if they only try to nurture artists in the style of other artists....sure, people might buy initially, but will grow bored and annoyed by the copycat thing, and then what? Then, you look for something new.
the post would be stronger if you posted pics. It all depends on the gallerys. some have a Niche, that may be still lifes, portraits, or in this case, banksy styled stencils. Its in their intrests to please their buyers and stick to that niche, its their marketplace and its what they know best, so its not really that weird. Im sure theirs plenty of clasic style gallerys that wouldnt take banksys work or anything too contempory. Just randomly picking a gallery and hope their take your work doesnt work. Regardless of skill. Do some reserch, find a place spicificly looking for somthing new and aproach them, chances are youl have somthing in common and they will dig your work. Also set up an online gallery and promote yourself and show off your skills, if your good enough someone will spot your tallent and aproach you. truly, I dont care what they said about my art, fair enough, but I think that they are going to be in for a rude awakening if they only try to nurture artists in the style of other artists....sure, people might buy initially, but will grow bored and annoyed by the copycat thing, and then what? Then, you look for something new. |
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More of the same, they told me, by ambrosiabaptism on Nov 20, 2007 21:09:23 GMT 1, Recently I sent some pics of some of my art to a couple different galleries (mostly online galleries) who represent original art, and are not just secondary print sellers....when I received an email back from one that struck me as being a sad commentary on the current art market. They told me they liked my art ok, it's not great, but ok (which is fair, as it just ok and not great right now), but that they were only interested in new artists that created work in the style of, very similiar to, their "star" artist...basically saying they just wanted more of the same, and nothing new. Now, this is not sour grapes (that's why I decided not to mention their name, as they were just being honest I suppose), as I know my art definitely needs some work.....but to openly say that you only want to sign artists whose work looks like the work of another artist, seems a bit strange to me.....IMO Just wondering what everyone on here thought about this comment made by them? I was taken aback by it, but maybe I was naive to think that they would want something different, something new.
iTS THE SAMEIN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY
Recently I sent some pics of some of my art to a couple different galleries (mostly online galleries) who represent original art, and are not just secondary print sellers....when I received an email back from one that struck me as being a sad commentary on the current art market. They told me they liked my art ok, it's not great, but ok (which is fair, as it just ok and not great right now), but that they were only interested in new artists that created work in the style of, very similiar to, their "star" artist...basically saying they just wanted more of the same, and nothing new. Now, this is not sour grapes (that's why I decided not to mention their name, as they were just being honest I suppose), as I know my art definitely needs some work.....but to openly say that you only want to sign artists whose work looks like the work of another artist, seems a bit strange to me.....IMO Just wondering what everyone on here thought about this comment made by them? I was taken aback by it, but maybe I was naive to think that they would want something different, something new. iTS THE SAMEIN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY |
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More of the same, they told me, by Copyright on Nov 22, 2007 11:21:20 GMT 1, the post would be stronger if you posted pics. It all depends on the gallerys. some have a Niche, that may be still lifes, portraits, or in this case, banksy styled stencils. Its in their intrests to please their buyers and stick to that niche, its their marketplace and its what they know best, so its not really that weird. Im sure theirs plenty of clasic style gallerys that wouldnt take banksys work or anything too contempory. Just randomly picking a gallery and hope their take your work doesnt work. Regardless of skill. Do some reserch, find a place spicificly looking for somthing new and aproach them, chances are youl have somthing in common and they will dig your work. Also set up an online gallery and promote yourself and show off your skills, if your good enough someone will spot your tallent and aproach you. truly, I dont care what they said about my art, fair enough, but I think that they are going to be in for a rude awakening if they only try to nurture artists in the style of other artists....sure, people might buy initially, but will grow bored and annoyed by the copycat thing, and then what? Then, you look for something new.
Thats exactly what will happen, your assuming the curent trend only has a short lifecycle, but theirs a good few years left in it yet, and at the point when it changes, which will probably be gradualy, theyl shift over slightly to somthing else their comfortable with, some will adapt, others will fail.
the post would be stronger if you posted pics. It all depends on the gallerys. some have a Niche, that may be still lifes, portraits, or in this case, banksy styled stencils. Its in their intrests to please their buyers and stick to that niche, its their marketplace and its what they know best, so its not really that weird. Im sure theirs plenty of clasic style gallerys that wouldnt take banksys work or anything too contempory. Just randomly picking a gallery and hope their take your work doesnt work. Regardless of skill. Do some reserch, find a place spicificly looking for somthing new and aproach them, chances are youl have somthing in common and they will dig your work. Also set up an online gallery and promote yourself and show off your skills, if your good enough someone will spot your tallent and aproach you. truly, I dont care what they said about my art, fair enough, but I think that they are going to be in for a rude awakening if they only try to nurture artists in the style of other artists....sure, people might buy initially, but will grow bored and annoyed by the copycat thing, and then what? Then, you look for something new. Thats exactly what will happen, your assuming the curent trend only has a short lifecycle, but theirs a good few years left in it yet, and at the point when it changes, which will probably be gradualy, theyl shift over slightly to somthing else their comfortable with, some will adapt, others will fail. |
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More of the same, they told me, by mainartery on Nov 22, 2007 12:48:43 GMT 1, All art movements have a common theme or style. Maybe your work just didn't qualify. Even though you thought it did.
Its hard to comment fully without seeing the work, can you post some images.
All art movements have a common theme or style. Maybe your work just didn't qualify. Even though you thought it did.
Its hard to comment fully without seeing the work, can you post some images.
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it does seem like some places are run like that. 
I find that a really strange one 
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