stingray
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by stingray on May 17, 2007 23:49:24 GMT 1, My suggestion would be that POW sell the prints at or nearly at market value. It would be nice if they put the extra revenue gained towards some kind of good cause. Ideally, a good cause that was in line with Banksy's politics. This would eradicate the ebay scum. I accept that it makes the prints more expensive and some people would be unable to afford the prints (me being one of them) but it is better that a good cause benefits from Banksy's and POW's generosity than we do. If you really really really love Banksy then you can get a second job and save up and pay the full price. If you still can't afford it then that is tough s**t and you will certainly have bigger problems to worry about. The current system is absurd. are you kidding? ebay sellers would still know there was money to be made (it would probably drive secondary prices up) and those who aren't stupid would know that Banksy is here to stay, so prices are likely to go up (unfortunately). either way, you can't price most of the resellers out the market as they're typically the ones with the money (generated from reselling). the ones who put their banksy's on the wall are the ones without the money, so they'd be priced out.
Ebay sellers wouldn't buy a print from POW for ยฃ1000 if the same print sold on Ebay for ยฃ1000. Why would they do that?
They might speculate that the print will rise in value over a period of time but it is by no means guarenteed that Banksy prices will continue to go up.
There is a chance that recession is around the corner. If we are unlucky enough to face a recession then in the short term Banksy prices will fall.
I don't have a problem with speculators. I have a problem with the people who couldn't give a toss about what they are buying but know that they can put it on Ebay a couple days later and pocket several hundred quid.
My suggestion would be that POW sell the prints at or nearly at market value. It would be nice if they put the extra revenue gained towards some kind of good cause. Ideally, a good cause that was in line with Banksy's politics. This would eradicate the ebay scum. I accept that it makes the prints more expensive and some people would be unable to afford the prints (me being one of them) but it is better that a good cause benefits from Banksy's and POW's generosity than we do. If you really really really love Banksy then you can get a second job and save up and pay the full price. If you still can't afford it then that is tough s**t and you will certainly have bigger problems to worry about. The current system is absurd. are you kidding? ebay sellers would still know there was money to be made (it would probably drive secondary prices up) and those who aren't stupid would know that Banksy is here to stay, so prices are likely to go up (unfortunately). either way, you can't price most of the resellers out the market as they're typically the ones with the money (generated from reselling). the ones who put their banksy's on the wall are the ones without the money, so they'd be priced out. Ebay sellers wouldn't buy a print from POW for ยฃ1000 if the same print sold on Ebay for ยฃ1000. Why would they do that? They might speculate that the print will rise in value over a period of time but it is by no means guarenteed that Banksy prices will continue to go up. There is a chance that recession is around the corner. If we are unlucky enough to face a recession then in the short term Banksy prices will fall. I don't have a problem with speculators. I have a problem with the people who couldn't give a toss about what they are buying but know that they can put it on Ebay a couple days later and pocket several hundred quid. |
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Strange Al
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 23:49:50 GMT 1, phoeton - very nice idea, but not really any different from the current system. Still requires people reporting back to POW. Plus even with a UV pen, I think this would devalue the prints.
phoeton - very nice idea, but not really any different from the current system. Still requires people reporting back to POW. Plus even with a UV pen, I think this would devalue the prints.
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gordy
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by gordy on May 17, 2007 23:53:51 GMT 1, Maybe the prints could be signed to a person.... ;D ;D
I would be well chuffed to have a print signed by the great man to Gordy best wishes....Banksy... 
I could then only sell it to Gordon Brown or Gordon Ramsey ... therefore I would have to keep it! ;D
Maybe the prints could be signed to a person.... ;D ;D I would be well chuffed to have a print signed by the great man to Gordy best wishes....Banksy... I could then only sell it to Gordon Brown or Gordon Ramsey ... therefore I would have to keep it! ;D |
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stingray
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by stingray on May 17, 2007 23:55:25 GMT 1, maybe write the name of the original purchaser on the back the the print (credit card name) with UV pen. Ban them from future purchases if they are resellers!!! it would dent the reseller market a little but not stop it
All forum users should boycott buying any Banksy prints off Ebay that are for sale within six months of its release.
maybe write the name of the original purchaser on the back the the print (credit card name) with UV pen. Ban them from future purchases if they are resellers!!! it would dent the reseller market a little but not stop it All forum users should boycott buying any Banksy prints off Ebay that are for sale within six months of its release. |
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Strange Al
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Strange Al on May 17, 2007 23:57:52 GMT 1, Maybe the prints could be signed to a person.... ;D ;D I would be well chuffed to have a print signed by the great man to Gordy best wishes....Banksy... I could then only sell it to Gordon Brown or Gordon Ramsey ... therefore I would have to keep it! ;D
Gordy - funnily enough, that used to be an option. I know a few people who've got personally dedicated prints. POW would only get Banksy to sign the print once someone bought one and requested it. Those were the days.
Maybe the prints could be signed to a person.... ;D ;D I would be well chuffed to have a print signed by the great man to Gordy best wishes....Banksy... I could then only sell it to Gordon Brown or Gordon Ramsey ... therefore I would have to keep it! ;D Gordy - funnily enough, that used to be an option. I know a few people who've got personally dedicated prints. POW would only get Banksy to sign the print once someone bought one and requested it. Those were the days. |
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gordy
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by gordy on May 18, 2007 0:01:03 GMT 1, I can only wish for something that cool......
I would sell the wife for that!!! ;D
I can only wish for something that cool......
I would sell the wife for that!!! ;D
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Joe J
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Joe J on May 18, 2007 0:13:55 GMT 1, ^^is your wife cute?
^^is your wife cute?
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gordy
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by gordy on May 18, 2007 0:17:44 GMT 1, She is much better looking than me...and worth at least 4 camals.... ;D
She is much better looking than me...and worth at least 4 camals.... ;D
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by hankpank on May 18, 2007 0:31:24 GMT 1, When the 6x100 LA prints were sold for $500, POW said they would sell the rest of the editions for the same price, which is about ยฃ250. They have and I think they will continue to keep their promise. After that, who knows?
When the 6x100 LA prints were sold for $500, POW said they would sell the rest of the editions for the same price, which is about ยฃ250. They have and I think they will continue to keep their promise. After that, who knows?
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Greg
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Greg on May 18, 2007 0:45:37 GMT 1, When the 6x100 LA prints were sold for $500, POW said they would sell the rest of the editions for the same price, which is about ยฃ250. They have and I think they will continue to keep their promise. After that, who knows?
more art on the streets from banksy... so we all get to see his work for free!!!
at the end of the day, thats what it was all about... hmmm maybe not
as for ebay, maybe you could ruin a auction or you could ignore them...
i would say though, if you do buy off ebay, even if the guy is nice! still report it to P.O.W as this guy has stopped a genuine buyer from purchasing a print!
but only for the latest prints, this goes for all artists not just banksy!
cant say the same for the sellers of early banksy who are raising capital for genuine reasons
When the 6x100 LA prints were sold for $500, POW said they would sell the rest of the editions for the same price, which is about ยฃ250. They have and I think they will continue to keep their promise. After that, who knows? more art on the streets from banksy... so we all get to see his work for free!!! at the end of the day, thats what it was all about... hmmm maybe not as for ebay, maybe you could ruin a auction or you could ignore them... i would say though, if you do buy off ebay, even if the guy is nice! still report it to P.O.W as this guy has stopped a genuine buyer from purchasing a print! but only for the latest prints, this goes for all artists not just banksy! cant say the same for the sellers of early banksy who are raising capital for genuine reasons |
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by arcam on May 18, 2007 1:05:43 GMT 1, Upping the price isn't the solution, all it would achieve is pricing some fans out the market. A lottery system wouldn't work either and I'm convinced more would just fall into the hands of the 'professional' bagger, with several available addresses. The truth of the matter is there is no real solution. When there are people willing to pay such sums, there will always be people willing to sell.
Upping the price isn't the solution, all it would achieve is pricing some fans out the market. A lottery system wouldn't work either and I'm convinced more would just fall into the hands of the 'professional' bagger, with several available addresses. The truth of the matter is there is no real solution. When there are people willing to pay such sums, there will always be people willing to sell.
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jam
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by jam on May 18, 2007 1:36:08 GMT 1, Maybe the prints could be signed to a person.... ;D ;D I would be well chuffed to have a print signed by the great man to Gordy best wishes....Banksy... I could then only sell it to Gordon Brown or Gordon Ramsey ... therefore I would have to keep it! ;D Gordy - funnily enough, that used to be an option. I know a few people who've got personally dedicated prints. POW would only get Banksy to sign the print once someone bought one and requested it. Those were the days.
This is a brilliant idea... to be honest I wish POW would do it for signed, and then number each unsigned print and write the owners name on it as well. I know I have a Warhol that is dedicated to someone and I don't care... I just love the piece. The thing is, I bought it for about 75% of the market price for one with just a Warhol signature! Again, no matter to be because I love the print... but that would wreck a baggers chances to flip a print for quick profit if it was noted 386/500 'For Betsy'!!! ;D
Maybe the prints could be signed to a person.... ;D ;D I would be well chuffed to have a print signed by the great man to Gordy best wishes....Banksy... I could then only sell it to Gordon Brown or Gordon Ramsey ... therefore I would have to keep it! ;D Gordy - funnily enough, that used to be an option. I know a few people who've got personally dedicated prints. POW would only get Banksy to sign the print once someone bought one and requested it. Those were the days. This is a brilliant idea... to be honest I wish POW would do it for signed, and then number each unsigned print and write the owners name on it as well. I know I have a Warhol that is dedicated to someone and I don't care... I just love the piece. The thing is, I bought it for about 75% of the market price for one with just a Warhol signature! Again, no matter to be because I love the print... but that would wreck a baggers chances to flip a print for quick profit if it was noted 386/500 'For Betsy'!!! ;D |
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Curley
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Curley on May 18, 2007 8:37:57 GMT 1, Gordy - funnily enough, that used to be an option. I know a few people who've got personally dedicated prints. POW would only get Banksy to sign the print once someone bought one and requested it. Those were the days. This is a brilliant idea... to be honest I wish POW would do it for signed, and then number each unsigned print and write the owners name on it as well. I know I have a Warhol that is dedicated to someone and I don't care... I just love the piece. The thing is, I bought it for about 75% of the market price for one with just a Warhol signature! Again, no matter to be because I love the print... but that would wreck a baggers chances to flip a print for quick profit if it was noted 386/500 'For Betsy'!!! ;D
i would have thought that the majority of the ones sold on e bay will all be known to POW.
When the sellers release the numbers to the purchasers i would have thought that they in turn would check the ownership with POW and there fore POW get the numbers in a round about way.
Gordy - funnily enough, that used to be an option. I know a few people who've got personally dedicated prints. POW would only get Banksy to sign the print once someone bought one and requested it. Those were the days. This is a brilliant idea... to be honest I wish POW would do it for signed, and then number each unsigned print and write the owners name on it as well. I know I have a Warhol that is dedicated to someone and I don't care... I just love the piece. The thing is, I bought it for about 75% of the market price for one with just a Warhol signature! Again, no matter to be because I love the print... but that would wreck a baggers chances to flip a print for quick profit if it was noted 386/500 'For Betsy'!!! ;D i would have thought that the majority of the ones sold on e bay will all be known to POW. When the sellers release the numbers to the purchasers i would have thought that they in turn would check the ownership with POW and there fore POW get the numbers in a round about way. |
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by ABC on May 18, 2007 8:59:54 GMT 1, This thread should be titled "Ground hog day"
The fact is, 1. no one knows what POW are going to do apart from them.
2. Putting prices up will not stop baggers, it will just inflate prices further out of our reach on the bay.
This thread should be titled "Ground hog day"
The fact is, 1. no one knows what POW are going to do apart from them.
2. Putting prices up will not stop baggers, it will just inflate prices further out of our reach on the bay.
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Strange Al
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Strange Al on May 18, 2007 9:00:22 GMT 1, I do agree that the signed prints would be less desirable to baggers if they were dedicated to specific individuals on the front. It would certainly take away some of the kudos to have a signed print on your wall which was originally dedicated to some random person with a name other than yours.
They'd obviously have to be signed in ink and the dedicated signature would affect long term value for all of us. Ultimately, I think we all have a price and so something to bear in mind. However, it would IMO make a small dent in the bagger problem.
I've said it before, but the only real way to deal with the bagger issue is to run open edition screen-prints. Though as we all know, there's little real incentive for POW and Banksy to do this. One hell of a lot of work from a practical perspective and, perhaps more importantly, this would go some way to undermining the hype surrounding Mr B. Not something you'd really want if you're part of the inner circle.
I do agree that the signed prints would be less desirable to baggers if they were dedicated to specific individuals on the front. It would certainly take away some of the kudos to have a signed print on your wall which was originally dedicated to some random person with a name other than yours.
They'd obviously have to be signed in ink and the dedicated signature would affect long term value for all of us. Ultimately, I think we all have a price and so something to bear in mind. However, it would IMO make a small dent in the bagger problem.
I've said it before, but the only real way to deal with the bagger issue is to run open edition screen-prints. Though as we all know, there's little real incentive for POW and Banksy to do this. One hell of a lot of work from a practical perspective and, perhaps more importantly, this would go some way to undermining the hype surrounding Mr B. Not something you'd really want if you're part of the inner circle.
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by daz205 on May 18, 2007 10:48:13 GMT 1, i understand people not liking baggers but how would everyone feel if there was still the bunfight but this time all prints went to collectors/galleries never to be seen again until they were valued at 10K plus, i dont like the bagging thing but without it i wouldnt own half the banksy`s i do
i understand people not liking baggers but how would everyone feel if there was still the bunfight but this time all prints went to collectors/galleries never to be seen again until they were valued at 10K plus, i dont like the bagging thing but without it i wouldnt own half the banksy`s i do
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by mammal2 on Oct 24, 2007 0:00:23 GMT 1, NEXT BANKSY IN TWO WEEKS MOVE ON!!! OI OI
NEXT BANKSY IN TWO WEEKS MOVE ON!!! OI OI
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by fleepea on Oct 25, 2007 16:02:12 GMT 1, Instead of such talks, lets talk about cheese??
Instead of such talks, lets talk about cheese??
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by corblimeylimey on Oct 25, 2007 16:03:30 GMT 1, Instead of such talks, lets talk about cheese??
Cornish Blue
Instead of such talks, lets talk about cheese?? Cornish Blue |
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scavos
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by scavos on Oct 25, 2007 16:07:45 GMT 1, I prefer a bit of Caciocavallo Podolico on me toast for my elevenses. Obviously with a thin spread of Stork on first.
I prefer a bit of Caciocavallo Podolico on me toast for my elevenses. Obviously with a thin spread of Stork on first.
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by giiiant on Oct 25, 2007 16:16:15 GMT 1, Brie related fact of the day: if left to mature for longer, typically several months to a year, the cheese becomes stronger in flavour, the pรขte drier and darker, and the rind also darker and crumbly, and is called Brie Noir
Brie related fact of the day: if left to mature for longer, typically several months to a year, the cheese becomes stronger in flavour, the pรขte drier and darker, and the rind also darker and crumbly, and is called Brie Noir
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scavos
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by scavos on Oct 25, 2007 16:33:14 GMT 1, Smelliest cheese - Vieux Boulogne as named by scientists at Cranfield University who used a smellometer.
Talking of fascinating facts.... www.fartifacts.com/fart_facts.htm
Smelliest cheese - Vieux Boulogne as named by scientists at Cranfield University who used a smellometer. Talking of fascinating facts.... www.fartifacts.com/fart_facts.htm |
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by corblimeylimey on Oct 25, 2007 16:40:20 GMT 1, Really spoilt for local cheeses down here in Devon...
Beenleigh Blue
Harbourne Blue
Devon Blue
Norsworthy
Ticklemore
Pendragon
Devon Oke
Quickes
Sharpham
Vulscombe
Bakesey Meadow
There's tons more check out
www.countrycheeses.co.uk/ (you can order online)
Really spoilt for local cheeses down here in Devon... Beenleigh Blue Harbourne Blue Devon Blue Norsworthy Ticklemore Pendragon Devon Oke Quickes Sharpham Vulscombe Bakesey Meadow There's tons more check out www.countrycheeses.co.uk/ (you can order online) |
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scavos
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by scavos on Oct 25, 2007 16:48:32 GMT 1, [green with envy and tapping foot furiously with right hand on hip] yeah 'Birmingham Blue' doesn't really have the same appealling ring to it really. Especially if you're a Villa fan. (Forest fan myself).
Amazing how cheese can segue into football with such ease. ;D
Hardest cheese - Mimolette Extra Vielle has a hard outer shell as tough as a coconut shell. Would you adam and believe it?
[green with envy and tapping foot furiously with right hand on hip] yeah 'Birmingham Blue' doesn't really have the same appealling ring to it really. Especially if you're a Villa fan. (Forest fan myself).
Amazing how cheese can segue into football with such ease. ;D
Hardest cheese - Mimolette Extra Vielle has a hard outer shell as tough as a coconut shell. Would you adam and believe it?
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Dead Elvis
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by Dead Elvis on Oct 25, 2007 17:02:04 GMT 1, You can even have a cheese wedding cake!  
That is intense.
You can even have a cheese wedding cake! That is intense. |
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by themightyreds on Oct 25, 2007 17:03:16 GMT 1, Marks and Sparks do a white stilton cheese with cranberries in which is friggin' tasty..!
If you've had any you'll know what i mean!
Marks and Sparks do a white stilton cheese with cranberries in which is friggin' tasty..!
If you've had any you'll know what i mean!
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ryderage
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by ryderage on Oct 25, 2007 17:04:22 GMT 1, I suggest a 'takeshi's castle' gauntlet.
First 500 to make it to the end get a print! 
I suggest a 'takeshi's castle' gauntlet. First 500 to make it to the end get a print! |
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Next Banksy release on POW - thoughts, by corblimeylimey on Oct 25, 2007 17:04:57 GMT 1, Here's another, they work out at about ยฃ120 - ยฃ150
Here's another, they work out at about ยฃ120 - ยฃ150 |
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gent รacardi on Oct 26, 2007 2:13:33 GMT 1, Here's another, they work out at about ยฃ120 - ยฃ150
Eeeeewwwwww!
Here's another, they work out at about ยฃ120 - ยฃ150 Eeeeewwwwww! |
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