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Mr elusive, by hendrix on Oct 14, 2007 15:07:32 GMT 1, I say f**k banksy off and get the Guy Denning stuff. Its ok to be elusive but at least he could give credit to his real fans in that I mean members of this forum who look forward to his work and post endless threads about what his next move might be,after all it is we that have created the beast. I personally think he's a c**t and couldn’t give a toss. He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. I personally won't be entering into the smash and grab s**t fest aka have I got one. Oh s**t no I haven’t trolleys print saga, only then to feel upset cause some c**ts flipping them away on the bay within 24 hours at an even stupider price. Some people might think well how can he say that about Banksy and come on this forum, the answer to that is I don't come on here to find out about the latest Banksy news I come on here to talk to some genuinely nice people, people who I like who are left holding the s**t end of the stick.
I say f**k banksy off and get the Guy Denning stuff. Its ok to be elusive but at least he could give credit to his real fans in that I mean members of this forum who look forward to his work and post endless threads about what his next move might be,after all it is we that have created the beast. I personally think he's a c**t and couldn’t give a toss. He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. I personally won't be entering into the smash and grab s**t fest aka have I got one. Oh s**t no I haven’t trolleys print saga, only then to feel upset cause some c**ts flipping them away on the bay within 24 hours at an even stupider price. Some people might think well how can he say that about Banksy and come on this forum, the answer to that is I don't come on here to find out about the latest Banksy news I come on here to talk to some genuinely nice people, people who I like who are left holding the s**t end of the stick.
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Mr elusive, by manchestermike on Oct 14, 2007 15:27:02 GMT 1, He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000.
Yes, like Flag... you know the one he did 1000 of... for charity
He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. Yes, like Flag... you know the one he did 1000 of... for charity |
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Mr elusive, by hendrix on Oct 14, 2007 15:32:23 GMT 1, There you go a grad gesture, give something back Banksy and laz you Don King pimp of the art world
There you go a grad gesture, give something back Banksy and laz you Don King pimp of the art world
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Mr elusive, by curiousgeorge on Oct 14, 2007 16:00:25 GMT 1, IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us?
IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us?
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Mr elusive, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 14, 2007 16:40:24 GMT 1, IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us?
Nah not necessarily. IF Laz and Banksy refuse to play with big boy Auction houses and continue ownership of distribution like in house Laz auctions, then they will have managed to create their own machine and not be a cog within the current one and still totally in the driving seat. That would represent not just alternative art but an alternative industry. Thats actually quite a refreshing thought and offers a challenge to the existing 'machine'. Whether they become no worse than those institutions they claim to despise is another thing. Time will tell.
IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us? Nah not necessarily. IF Laz and Banksy refuse to play with big boy Auction houses and continue ownership of distribution like in house Laz auctions, then they will have managed to create their own machine and not be a cog within the current one and still totally in the driving seat. That would represent not just alternative art but an alternative industry. Thats actually quite a refreshing thought and offers a challenge to the existing 'machine'. Whether they become no worse than those institutions they claim to despise is another thing. Time will tell. |
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Mr elusive, by Art-el on Oct 14, 2007 16:51:31 GMT 1, CG
Don't give in to the 'Machine' (not just art related) It will only win if people roll over and stop fighting.
Resistence is the key.
OK apologies, I'll put my 'Socialist Worker' throught the shredder
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Don't give in to the 'Machine' (not just art related) It will only win if people roll over and stop fighting.
Resistence is the key.
OK apologies, I'll put my 'Socialist Worker' throught the shredder
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Mr elusive, by curiousgeorge on Oct 14, 2007 16:59:51 GMT 1, IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us? Nah not necessarily. IF Laz and Banksy refuse to play with big boy Auction houses and continue ownership of distribution like in house Laz auctions, then they will have managed to create their own machine and not be a cog within the current one and still totally in the driving seat. That would represent not just alternative art but an alternative industry. Thats actually quite a refreshing thought and offers a challenge to the existing 'machine'. Whether they become no worse than those institutions they claim to despise is another thing. Time will tell.
So machine nonetheless?  Albeit with a different driver??
IMO Laz is 'part' of the machine
IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us? Nah not necessarily. IF Laz and Banksy refuse to play with big boy Auction houses and continue ownership of distribution like in house Laz auctions, then they will have managed to create their own machine and not be a cog within the current one and still totally in the driving seat. That would represent not just alternative art but an alternative industry. Thats actually quite a refreshing thought and offers a challenge to the existing 'machine'. Whether they become no worse than those institutions they claim to despise is another thing. Time will tell. So machine nonetheless? Albeit with a different driver?? IMO Laz is 'part' of the machine |
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Mr elusive, by Gentle Mental on Oct 14, 2007 17:39:12 GMT 1, no machine. no world domination.
and Everybody wants to rule the world
(a fact and a great hit song).
no machine. no world domination.
and Everybody wants to rule the world
(a fact and a great hit song).
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Mr elusive, by endtimes on Oct 14, 2007 17:51:14 GMT 1, Actually although we'll have to wait and see what Trolley's sells for I'm sure Banksy is the one calling the shots about keeping the prices for his prints low at POW even when they were obviously being flipped for 5x retail. So I can respect him for that.
I think the unintended consequence now though is that this has turned buying a Banksy print more akin to winning the lottery than about buying a piece of art. And I think his ethos of keeping his art affordable is ironically spiraling the hype upwards as people now see it as much as a way to cash in as to collect art. If his prints were released through laz at full market value I guarantee that 80% of the hype and hysteria about Banksy would immediately dissapear.
Actually although we'll have to wait and see what Trolley's sells for I'm sure Banksy is the one calling the shots about keeping the prices for his prints low at POW even when they were obviously being flipped for 5x retail. So I can respect him for that.
I think the unintended consequence now though is that this has turned buying a Banksy print more akin to winning the lottery than about buying a piece of art. And I think his ethos of keeping his art affordable is ironically spiraling the hype upwards as people now see it as much as a way to cash in as to collect art. If his prints were released through laz at full market value I guarantee that 80% of the hype and hysteria about Banksy would immediately dissapear.
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Mr elusive, by michaelscott on Oct 14, 2007 17:52:17 GMT 1, and Everybody wants to rule the world (a fact and a great hit song).
even better, done by Patti Smith on her last recording.
and Everybody wants to rule the world (a fact and a great hit song). even better, done by Patti Smith on her last recording. |
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Mr elusive, by artforartssake on Oct 14, 2007 18:02:14 GMT 1, I think the unintended consequence now though is that this has turned buying a Banksy print more akin to winning the lottery than about buying a piece of art. And I think his ethos of keeping his art affordable is ironically spiraling the hype upwards as people now see it as much as a way to cash in as to collect art. If his prints were released through laz at full market value I guarantee that 80% of the hype and hysteria about Banksy would immediately dissapear.
What about just auctioning them off straight to market with any profit achieved, above the intended asking price, going to charity?
Market prices achieved and good causes served.
There wouldn't of course be market prices if the editions weren't limited.
I think the unintended consequence now though is that this has turned buying a Banksy print more akin to winning the lottery than about buying a piece of art. And I think his ethos of keeping his art affordable is ironically spiraling the hype upwards as people now see it as much as a way to cash in as to collect art. If his prints were released through laz at full market value I guarantee that 80% of the hype and hysteria about Banksy would immediately dissapear. What about just auctioning them off straight to market with any profit achieved, above the intended asking price, going to charity? Market prices achieved and good causes served. There wouldn't of course be market prices if the editions weren't limited. |
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Mr elusive, by discoduster on Oct 14, 2007 18:12:56 GMT 1, I say nick Cautys current method..
Put the print on the site as an open edition for a few weeks after which they become deleted.
Therefore everyone gets a limited print!!
DD
I say nick Cautys current method..
Put the print on the site as an open edition for a few weeks after which they become deleted.
Therefore everyone gets a limited print!!
DD
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Mr elusive, by stuey09 on Oct 14, 2007 18:18:10 GMT 1, I say f**k banksy off and get the Guy Denning stuff. Its ok to be elusive but at least he could give credit to his real fans in that I mean members of this forum who look forward to his work and post endless threads about what his next move might be,after all it is we that have created the beast. I personally think he's a c**t and couldn’t give a toss. He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. I personally won't be entering into the smash and grab s**t fest aka have I got one. Oh s**t no I haven’t trolleys print saga, only then to feel upset cause some c**ts flipping them away on the bay within 24 hours at an even stupider price. Some people might think well how can he say that about Banksy and come on this forum, the answer to that is I don't come on here to find out about the latest Banksy news I come on here to talk to some genuinely nice people, people who I like who are left holding the s**t end of the stick.
I reckon if Banksy was really 'a cunt' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. If left to Laz those prints would be half as accesible as they have been. Good point made by Mike regarding the Flag release.
I say f**k banksy off and get the Guy Denning stuff. Its ok to be elusive but at least he could give credit to his real fans in that I mean members of this forum who look forward to his work and post endless threads about what his next move might be,after all it is we that have created the beast. I personally think he's a c**t and couldn’t give a toss. He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. I personally won't be entering into the smash and grab s**t fest aka have I got one. Oh s**t no I haven’t trolleys print saga, only then to feel upset cause some c**ts flipping them away on the bay within 24 hours at an even stupider price. Some people might think well how can he say that about Banksy and come on this forum, the answer to that is I don't come on here to find out about the latest Banksy news I come on here to talk to some genuinely nice people, people who I like who are left holding the s**t end of the stick. I reckon if Banksy was really 'a cunt' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. If left to Laz those prints would be half as accesible as they have been. Good point made by Mike regarding the Flag release. |
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Mr elusive, by discoduster on Oct 14, 2007 18:24:03 GMT 1,
I reckon if Banksy was really 'a c**t' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past.
Some people might call £650 cheap
...i don't 
DD
I reckon if Banksy was really 'a c**t' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. Some people might call £650 cheap ...i don't DD |
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Mr elusive, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 14, 2007 18:29:36 GMT 1,
Its interesting actually. POW has a relative definition of affordability which is in relation to resale price rather than an absolute definition, which would be related to the average persons weekly wage.
Its interesting actually. POW has a relative definition of affordability which is in relation to resale price rather than an absolute definition, which would be related to the average persons weekly wage.
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Mr elusive, by CR on Oct 14, 2007 18:33:59 GMT 1, I reckon if Banksy was really 'a c**t' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. Some people might call £650 cheap ...i don't DD
Its all relative though, £650 is a lot of money for me, but it does represent good value for a signed banksy!
CR
I reckon if Banksy was really 'a c**t' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. Some people might call £650 cheap ...i don't DD Its all relative though, £650 is a lot of money for me, but it does represent good value for a signed banksy! CR |
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Mr elusive, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 14, 2007 18:35:37 GMT 1,
Good value only if you sell it. Unless you love another mans signature enough to work all week just to have it on your wall.
Good value only if you sell it. Unless you love another mans signature enough to work all week just to have it on your wall.
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Mr elusive, by stuey09 on Oct 14, 2007 18:35:52 GMT 1, I say f**k banksy off and get the Guy Denning stuff. Its ok to be elusive but at least he could give credit to his real fans in that I mean members of this forum who look forward to his work and post endless threads about what his next move might be,after all it is we that have created the beast. I personally think he's a c**t and couldn’t give a toss. He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. I personally won't be entering into the smash and grab s**t fest aka have I got one. Oh s**t no I haven’t trolleys print saga, only then to feel upset cause some c**ts flipping them away on the bay within 24 hours at an even stupider price. Some people might think well how can he say that about Banksy and come on this forum, the answer to that is I don't come on here to find out about the latest Banksy news I come on here to talk to some genuinely nice people, people who I like who are left holding the s**t end of the stick.
Bit harsh calling him a c**t hendrix. I reckon it's Banksy's influence that's stopping Laz from making his prints even more expensive and illusive.
I say f**k banksy off and get the Guy Denning stuff. Its ok to be elusive but at least he could give credit to his real fans in that I mean members of this forum who look forward to his work and post endless threads about what his next move might be,after all it is we that have created the beast. I personally think he's a c**t and couldn’t give a toss. He wants to show more respect just like Micallef did with his last print run keeping the price down and printing a run of 1000. I personally won't be entering into the smash and grab s**t fest aka have I got one. Oh s**t no I haven’t trolleys print saga, only then to feel upset cause some c**ts flipping them away on the bay within 24 hours at an even stupider price. Some people might think well how can he say that about Banksy and come on this forum, the answer to that is I don't come on here to find out about the latest Banksy news I come on here to talk to some genuinely nice people, people who I like who are left holding the s**t end of the stick. Bit harsh calling him a c**t hendrix. I reckon it's Banksy's influence that's stopping Laz from making his prints even more expensive and illusive. |
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Mr elusive, by Montubu7 on Oct 14, 2007 18:39:07 GMT 1, Banksy will be giving me a Trollies so he is ok in my book..
Banksy will be giving me a Trollies so he is ok in my book..
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Mr elusive, by CR on Oct 14, 2007 18:41:15 GMT 1, I guess you could look at it that way!!
I was thinking more that if you really want a signed banksy, then its either £650 from POW or £5,000+ from the secondery market, so £650 is good value - regardless of whether you are selling it on or not!
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I guess you could look at it that way!!
I was thinking more that if you really want a signed banksy, then its either £650 from POW or £5,000+ from the secondery market, so £650 is good value - regardless of whether you are selling it on or not!
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Mr elusive, by speebe on Oct 14, 2007 18:44:05 GMT 1, Laz and Hirst appear to be in cahoots to try and create a new art movement of their own not determined by theme, style or concept but the depth of your wallet and their own endorsement... It's fair to say it's been a great benefit for those that have shown recently with Laz but this is beggining to mirror the approach adopted by Saatchi when he single handedly raised the profile of the british art scene buy exhibiting the work of a cluster of the then young YBA's... such as Lucas, Emin, Hirst, Chapman brothers etc
Now that Laz and Hirst get so much media attention they are using this to their own advantage and perpetuate interest and continued investment.
Laz and Hirst appear to be in cahoots to try and create a new art movement of their own not determined by theme, style or concept but the depth of your wallet and their own endorsement... It's fair to say it's been a great benefit for those that have shown recently with Laz but this is beggining to mirror the approach adopted by Saatchi when he single handedly raised the profile of the british art scene buy exhibiting the work of a cluster of the then young YBA's... such as Lucas, Emin, Hirst, Chapman brothers etc
Now that Laz and Hirst get so much media attention they are using this to their own advantage and perpetuate interest and continued investment.
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Mr elusive, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 14, 2007 18:50:10 GMT 1, Yeah come on, how can you call banksy a c**t Hendrix? He's made lots of people smile, made some people richer including charities and has done a good job at defending concepts like not going to war. Oh and not to forget pushed the bar far higher than it has ever been before for communal art. Not bad if you ask me.
Yeah come on, how can you call banksy a c**t Hendrix? He's made lots of people smile, made some people richer including charities and has done a good job at defending concepts like not going to war. Oh and not to forget pushed the bar far higher than it has ever been before for communal art. Not bad if you ask me.
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Mr elusive, by discoduster on Oct 14, 2007 18:50:18 GMT 1, and he's from Ristol.
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Mr elusive, by mcnuts on Oct 14, 2007 18:53:29 GMT 1, I reckon if Banksy was really 'a c**t' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. Some people might call £650 cheap ...i don't DD
not cheap but a) a hell of a lot better than LAZ prices and b) way the hell better then their "value" on ebay.
I reckon if Banksy was really 'a c**t' then getting cheap prints through PoW would be a thing of the past. Some people might call £650 cheap ...i don't DD not cheap but a) a hell of a lot better than LAZ prices and b) way the hell better then their "value" on ebay. |
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Mr elusive, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 14, 2007 18:54:30 GMT 1,
See where you're coming from but here's a hyperthetical ....
if in a magical universe the next signed banksy would cost you £5000 to buy on the secondary market but you would only make £300 if you sold it. Would £650 sound like good value?
See where you're coming from but here's a hyperthetical ....
if in a magical universe the next signed banksy would cost you £5000 to buy on the secondary market but you would only make £300 if you sold it. Would £650 sound like good value?
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Mr elusive, by corblimeylimey on Oct 14, 2007 18:58:59 GMT 1, I have to disagree with you Hendrix on a few points...
I'm here mainly for my love of Banksy's work, and similar artists that generally work on the street and produce stencil type work.
I don't think Banksy is at all greedy, his signed prints could easily be sold for over 5 times the price he wants to sell them for. He also does a lot of work for charities (eg Greenpeace, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, and Sightsavers) and gave all the money from the 1000 run flag print to charity and only charged £100 for it.
Also just take a look at all the street work, placed there for us to enjoy for free.
Keep it up Banksy!
I have to disagree with you Hendrix on a few points...
I'm here mainly for my love of Banksy's work, and similar artists that generally work on the street and produce stencil type work.
I don't think Banksy is at all greedy, his signed prints could easily be sold for over 5 times the price he wants to sell them for. He also does a lot of work for charities (eg Greenpeace, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, and Sightsavers) and gave all the money from the 1000 run flag print to charity and only charged £100 for it.
Also just take a look at all the street work, placed there for us to enjoy for free.
Keep it up Banksy!
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Mr elusive, by numusic on Oct 14, 2007 19:16:43 GMT 1, IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us? Nah not necessarily. IF Laz and Banksy refuse to play with big boy Auction houses and continue ownership of distribution like in house Laz auctions, then they will have managed to create their own machine and not be a cog within the current one and still totally in the driving seat. That would represent not just alternative art but an alternative industry. Thats actually quite a refreshing thought and offers a challenge to the existing 'machine'. Whether they become no worse than those institutions they claim to despise is another thing. Time will tell.
+1.. bunch of barrow boys and *pikeys taking on aristocratic institutions.. love it !
*meant in the best possible way Insite
IMO, like it or not Bansky is now part of big machine. I'm sure he never set out for things to pan out this way, but that machine is bigger than all of us? Nah not necessarily. IF Laz and Banksy refuse to play with big boy Auction houses and continue ownership of distribution like in house Laz auctions, then they will have managed to create their own machine and not be a cog within the current one and still totally in the driving seat. That would represent not just alternative art but an alternative industry. Thats actually quite a refreshing thought and offers a challenge to the existing 'machine'. Whether they become no worse than those institutions they claim to despise is another thing. Time will tell. +1.. bunch of barrow boys and *pikeys taking on aristocratic institutions.. love it ! *meant in the best possible way Insite |
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Mr elusive, by Dead Elvis on Oct 14, 2007 19:29:44 GMT 1, I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a response from Banksy himself about the the inflated secondary market. Micallef and Fairey, amongst others, have been pretty vocal about the money being made off of ebay specifically...both artists have also responded by flooding the market with increased edition sizes (which has done little to nothing in slowing down the trend).
I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a response from Banksy himself about the the inflated secondary market. Micallef and Fairey, amongst others, have been pretty vocal about the money being made off of ebay specifically...both artists have also responded by flooding the market with increased edition sizes (which has done little to nothing in slowing down the trend).
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Mr elusive, by Cocteau 101 on Oct 14, 2007 19:31:05 GMT 1, Banksy is still the top man for stencils and always will be for the different approach and humour he brought to the scene. I'm sick of people trying to slag him off. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he wants he doesn't need to justify himself to anyone.
Banksy is still the top man for stencils and always will be for the different approach and humour he brought to the scene. I'm sick of people trying to slag him off. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he wants he doesn't need to justify himself to anyone.
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Mr elusive, by Cocteau 101 on Oct 14, 2007 19:34:12 GMT 1, I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a response from Banksy himself about the the inflated secondary market. Micallef and Fairey, amongst others, have been pretty vocal about the money being made off of ebay specifically...both artists have also responded by flooding the market with increased edition sizes (which has done little to nothing in slowing down the trend).
I'll give Antony a ring then and he if he'll do me an original for a grand!
I'm surprised there hasn't been more of a response from Banksy himself about the the inflated secondary market. Micallef and Fairey, amongst others, have been pretty vocal about the money being made off of ebay specifically...both artists have also responded by flooding the market with increased edition sizes (which has done little to nothing in slowing down the trend). I'll give Antony a ring then and he if he'll do me an original for a grand! |
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